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Subject: RIBC - Draft thread #1
Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Sat, Feb 28, 2004, 12:24
This thread will be exclusively for managers in the RotoGuru Invitational Baseball Challenge to log their draft picks. Nothing else should be posted here. General discussion may be posted in the discussion thread.
Here is the draft order. Even numbered rounds will be in reverse order:
1 SlackJawed Yokel
2 beastiemiked
3 tosh
4 Mattingly
5 blue hen
6 Caper
7 Peter N.
8 smartone
9 J
10 jumpball
11 species
12 Ref
13 Guru
14 Trip
15 darkside
16 KrazyKoalaBears
I will maintain an updated roster grid which should facilitate keeping track of each team's developing roster. |
| 1 | Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 330592710
Sat, Feb 28, 2004, 12:26
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1.01 Alex Rodriguez, SS, NYY
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| 2 | beastiemiked
ID: 6117323
Sat, Feb 28, 2004, 13:53
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1.02 Albert Pujols, 1b OF, Stl Cardinals
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| 3 | Tosh
Sustainer
ID: 57721710
Sat, Feb 28, 2004, 14:04
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1.03 - Alfonso Soriano, 2B - Texas
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| 4 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118
Sat, Feb 28, 2004, 16:29
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1.04 Todd Helton - 1B - Col
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| 5 | blue hen
ID: 4300290
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 00:07
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1.5 Mark Prior - P - CHC
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| 6 | Caper
Donor
ID: 1535108
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 07:03
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1.06 Carlos Beltran-OF-KC
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| 7 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 257161713
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 10:20
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1.07 Vladimir Guerrero, OF, ANA
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| 8 | smartone @work
Donor
ID: 29452720
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 10:42
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1.08 Barry Bonds, OF, SF
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| 9 | J
Leader
ID: 49346417
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 11:21
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1.09 Eric Gagne - RP - LA
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| 10 | jumpball
ID: 371302613
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 12:30
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1.10 Pedro Martinez - SP - Bos
(thanks Guru!)
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| 11 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 12:41
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1.11 Curt Schilling, P - Bos
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| 12 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 13:19
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1.12 Manny Ramirez, OF, Bos
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| 13 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 13:24
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1.13 Roy Halladay - SP - Tor
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| 14 | Trip
Donor
ID: 13961611
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 13:28
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1.14 Nomar Garciaparra - SS - Bos
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| 15 | darkside
Dude
ID: 3590317
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 14:15
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1.15 Randy Johnson - SP - Ari
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| 16 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 14:19
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1.16 Bobby Abreu - OF - PHI 2.01 Tim Hudson - P - OAK
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| 17 | darkside
Dude
ID: 3590317
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 14:33
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2.02 Jason Schmidt - SP - Sfo
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| 18 | Trip
Donor
ID: 13961611
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 14:40
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2.03 Gary Sheffield - OF - NYY
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| 19 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 15:16
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2.04 Jim Thome - 1B - Phi
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| 20 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 15:27
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2.05 Carlos Delgado - 1B - Tor
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| 21 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 15:53
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2.06 Brian Giles - OF - SD
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| 22 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 18:59
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from jumpball (via email)
2.07 Kerry Wood - SP - ChC
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| 23 | J
Leader
ID: 49346417
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 19:14
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2.08 Magglio Ordonez CWS OF
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| 24 | smartone
Donor
ID: 29452720
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 20:15
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2.09 Edgar Renteria - SS - STL
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| 25 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 257161713
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 20:23
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2.10 Miguel Tejada, SS, BAL
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| 26 | Caper
Donor
ID: 1535108
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 20:57
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2.11 Javier Vazquez-P-NYY
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| 27 | blue hen
ID: 4300290
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 23:23
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2.12 Jason Giambi - 1B - NYY
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| 28 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 23:28
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2.13 Lance Berkman - OF - Hou
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| 29 | Tosh
Sustainer
ID: 57721710
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 23:38
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2.14 Sammy Sosa, OF, CHC
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| 30 | beastiemiked
ID: 6117323
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 00:33
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2.15 Scott Rolen, 3b, Stl
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| 31 | Slackjawed Yokel
Leader
ID: 52347519
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 00:41
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2.16 Brett Boone, 2b, Sea
3.01 Mike Mussina, P, NYY
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| 32 | beastiemiked
ID: 6117323
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 00:44
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3.02 Billy Wagner, P, Phi
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| 33 | Tosh
Sustainer
ID: 57721710
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 02:44
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3.03 Keith Foulke, P, BOS
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| 35 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 06:48
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3.04 Josh Beckett - P - Fla
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| 36 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 08:28
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from blue hens's queue:
3.05 Mike Piazza - C - NYM
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| 37 | Caper
Donor
ID: 1535108
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 08:43
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3.06 Chipper Jones-OF-ATL
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| 38 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 257161713
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 09:59
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3.07 Richie Sexson, 1B, ARI
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| 39 | smartone @work
Donor
ID: 29452720
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 10:08
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3.08 Jeff Kent, 2B, HOU
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| 40 | J
Leader
ID: 49346417
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 10:28
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3.09 Barry Zito - SP - Oak
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| 41 | jumpball
ID: 371302613
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 12:07
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3.10 Jorge Posada - C - NYY
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| 42 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 13:14
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3.11 Marcus Giles, 2b - Atl
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| 43 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 13:27
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3.12 John Smoltz - P - Atl
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| 44 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 13:38
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3.13 Eric Chavez, 3B, Oak
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| 45 | Trip
Donor
ID: 13961611
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 14:10
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3.14 Vernon Wells - OF - Tor
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| 46 | darkside
Dude
ID: 3590317
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 14:28
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3.15 Jeff Bagwell - 1B - Hou
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| 47 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 14:38
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3.16 Derek Lee - 1B - CHC 4.01 Eric Hinske - 3B - TOR
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| 48 | darkside
Dude
ID: 3590317
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 14:46
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4.02 Javy Lopez - C - Bal
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| 49 | Trip
Donor
ID: 13961611
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 14:54
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4.03 Kevin Brown - SP - NYY
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| 50 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 15:29
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4.04 Preston Wilson, OF, Col
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| 51 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 15:39
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4.05 Roy Oswalt - P - Hou
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| 52 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 18:51
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4.06 Derek Jeter - SS - NYY
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| 53 | jumpball
ID: 198192210
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 19:24
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4.07 Luis Gonzalez - OF - Arz
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| 54 | J
Leader
ID: 49346417
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 19:53
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4.08 Aubrey Huff - TB - 1B,OF
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| 55 | smartone
Donor
ID: 29452720
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 20:08
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4.09 Jose Vidro, 2B, MON
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| 56 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 257161713
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 21:00
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4.10 Mark Mulder, P, OAK
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| 57 | Caper @ Home
ID: 42256216
Tue, Mar 02, 2004, 21:37
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4.11 Mike Sweeney-1B-KC
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| 58 | blue hen gettin laid
ID: 2421223
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 00:02
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4.12 Jim Edmonds - OF - STL
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| 59 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 00:17
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From MITH's queue:
4.13 - Morgan Ensberg, 3b - HOU
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| 60 | Tosh
Sustainer
ID: 57721710
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 00:40
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4.14 Ichiro, OF, SEA
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| 61 | beastiemiked
ID: 6117323
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 00:45
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4.15 Johan Santana
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| 62 | Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 48927711
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 09:09
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4.16 Juan Pierre, OF, Fla
5.01 Bartolo Colon, P, Ana
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| 63 | beastiemiked
ID: 2601988
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 09:32
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5.02 Rafael Furcal, SS, ATL
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| 64 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 09:40
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from Tosh's queue:
5.03 Orlando Cabrera, SS, Mon
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| 65 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 10:09
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5.04 Brandon Webb - P - AZ
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| 66 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 10:18
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5.05 Mariano Rivera - RP - NYY
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| 67 | Caper
Donor
ID: 1535108
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 10:21
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5.06 Octavio Dotel-RP-Hou
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| 68 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 257161713
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 10:25
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5.07 Hank Blalock, 3B, TEX
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| 70 | smartone @work
Donor
ID: 29452720
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 12:19
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5.08 Troy Percival, RP, ANA
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| 71 | J
ID: 4720310
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 13:22
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5.09 Ivan Rodriguez, C, DET
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| 72 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 13:25
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From Jumpball's queue:
5.10 Frank Thomas - 1B - ChW
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| 73 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 15:26
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5.11 - Greg Maddux, SP - CHC
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| 74 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 15:44
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5.12 Shawn Green, OF, LA
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| 75 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 16:40
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5.13 Eddie Guardado, RP, Sea
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| 76 | Trip
Donor
ID: 13961611
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 16:43
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5.14 Arthur Rhodes - RP - Oak
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| 77 | darkside
ID: 729317
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 18:09
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5.15 Jason Isringhausen - RP - STL
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| 78 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 19:05
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5.16 Angel Berroa - SS - KAN 6.01 Trevor Hoffman - P - SDG
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| 79 | Darkside
ID: 4929317
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 19:09
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6.02 Garrett Anderson-OF-ANA
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| 80 | Trip
ID: 2210302613
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 19:13
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6.03 Mike Lowell - 3B - Fla
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| 81 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 23:12
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6.04 Kaz Matsui, SS, NYM
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| 82 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 23:27
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6.05 Jose Reyes, SS, NYM
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| 83 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Wed, Mar 03, 2004, 23:29
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6.06 Mark Teixeira - 1b/3b - Tex
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| 84 | jumpball
ID: 371302613
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 09:46
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6.07 J. Julio - RP - Bal
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| 85 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 10:04
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from J's queue:
6.08 Hideo Nomo, SP, L.A.
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| 86 | smartone @work
Donor
ID: 29452720
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 10:11
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6.09 David Ortiz, 1B, BOS
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| 87 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 257161713
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 10:15
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6.10 Armando Benitez, RP, FLA
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| 88 | Caper
Donor
ID: 1535108
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 10:27
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6.11 Corey Koskie-3B-Min
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| 89 | blue hen
ID: 4300290
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 13:17
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6.12 Troy Glaus - 3b - ANA
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| 90 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 14:04
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6.13 Joe Borowski - RP - ChC
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| 91 | Tosh
Sustainer
ID: 57721710
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 14:46
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6.14 Kevin Millwood, P, PHI
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| 92 | beastiemiked
ID: 2601988
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 15:07
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6.15 Larry Walker, OF, COL
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| 93 | Slackjawed Yokel
ID: 48927711
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 15:39
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6.16 Carlos Zambrano, P, ChC
7.01 Bill Mueller, 3B, Bos
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| 94 | beastiemiked
ID: 2601988
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 16:17
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7.02 Matt Morris, P, STL
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| 95 | Tosh
Sustainer
ID: 57721710
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 16:20
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7.03 Nick Johnson, 1B, MON
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| 96 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 16:37
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7.04 Alex Cintron - SS - AZ
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| 97 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 16:46
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7.05 Luis Castillo, PR, Fla.
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| 98 | Caper
Donor
ID: 1535108
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 18:54
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7.06 Mike Young-2B?-Tex
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| 99 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 257161713
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 19:28
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7.07 Andruw Jones, OF, ATL
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| 100 | smartone
ID: 35254317
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 21:34
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7.08 Dmitri Young, 3B, OF, DET
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| 101 | J
Leader
ID: 49346417
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 21:36
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7.09 Wade Miller - P - Hou
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| 102 | jumpball
ID: 198192210
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 22:22
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7.10 Miguel Cabrera - 3B/OF - Fla
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| 103 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Thu, Mar 04, 2004, 23:29
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7.11 Adam Dunn - 1b/OF - CIN
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| 104 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 03:11
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7.12 Esteban Loaiza, P, CHW
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| 105 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 08:26
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7.13 Carlos Lee, OF, ChW
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| 106 | Trip
Donor
ID: 13961611
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 08:39
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7.14 Phil Nevin - 1B/OF - SD
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| 107 | darkside
Dude
ID: 3590317
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 09:01
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7.15 Jimmy Rollins - SS - Phi
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| 108 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 09:55
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7.16 Placido Polanco - 2B/3B - PHI 8.01 Miguel Batista - P - TOR
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| 109 | darkside
Dude
ID: 3590317
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 10:02
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8.02 Aramis Ramirez - 3B - ChC
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| 110 | Trip
Donor
ID: 13961611
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 10:04
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8.03 Richard Hidalgo - OF - Hou
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| 111 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 10:32
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8.04 Matt Mantei, RP, Ari
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| 112 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 13:09
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8.05 Scott Podsednik, OF, Mil
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| 113 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 13:30
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8.06 Matt Clement - SP - CHC
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| 114 | jumpball
ID: 371302613
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 14:56
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8.07 Derek Lowe - SP - Bos
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| 115 | smartone @work
Donor
ID: 29452720
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 16:01
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for J :
8.08 Russ Ortiz, SP, ATL
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| 116 | smartone @work
Donor
ID: 29452720
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 16:10
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8.09 Carl Crawford, OF, TB
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| 117 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 257161713
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 16:14
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8.10 Rocco Baldelli, OF, TB
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| 118 | Caper
Donor
ID: 1535108
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 19:42
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8.11 Johnny Damon-OF-Bos
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| 119 | blue hen
ID: 4300290
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 19:48
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8.12 Roger "xxxx" Clemens, P, HOU
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| 120 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 19:59
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8.13 David Eckstein - SS - Ana
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| 121 | Tosh
Sustainer
ID: 57721710
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 20:24
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8.14 Mark Buehrle, P, CHI-A
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| 122 | beastiemiked
ID: 6117323
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 20:53
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8.15 Ray Durham
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| 123 | Slackjawed Yokel
Leader
ID: 52347519
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 21:27
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8.16 Hideki Matsui, OF, NYY
9.01 Rafael Palmeiro, 1B, Bal
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| 124 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 257161713
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 21:29
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From bmd's queue:
9.02 Ryan Klesko, 1B, SD
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| 127 | Tosh
Sustainer
ID: 57721710
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 21:40
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Post 125 deleted by me. I selected a pre-selected player.
9.03 John Thomson, P, ATL
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| 128 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 21:42
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9.04 Randy Winn - OF - Sea
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| 129 | blue hen
ID: 4300290
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 21:43
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9.05 Jeromy Burnitz, OF, COL
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| 130 | Caper
Donor
ID: 1535108
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 21:46
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9.06 Livan Hernandez-P-Mtl
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| 131 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 257161713
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 22:06
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9.07 Randy Wolf, P, PHI
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| 133 | smartone
ID: 35254317
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 22:21
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9.08 Joel Pineiro, SP, SEA
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| 134 | J
ID: 591130517
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 08:34
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9.09 Shannon Stewart - OF - Min
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| 135 | Guru
ID: 2524958
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 09:01
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fron jumpball's queue:
9.10 Austin Kearns, OF, Cin
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| 136 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 12:39
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Sorry guys, guess MITH wasn't around....
9.11 Trot Nixon - OF - BOS
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| 137 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 15:21
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9.12 Jason Varitek, C, Bos
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| 138 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 16:05
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9.13 Jose Contreras, P, NYY
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| 139 | Trip
ID: 2210302613
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 16:44
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9.14 Joe Nathan - RP - Min
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| 140 | darkside
ID: 4218517
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 08:52
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9.15 Milton Bradley - OF - Cle
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| 141 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 09:00
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9.16 Jason Kendall - C - PIT 10.01 Francisco Cordero - P - TEX
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| 142 | darkside
ID: 4218517
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 09:36
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10.02 Jamie Moyer - SP - Sea
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| 143 | Trip
ID: 2210302613
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 09:57
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10.03 Adam Kennedy - 2B - Ana
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| 144 | smartone
ID: 3525976
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 17:45
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10.4 Brad Wilkerson, 1B-OF, MON
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| 145 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 20:15
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10.5 Danny Kolb, P, Mil
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| 146 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Sun, Mar 07, 2004, 20:22
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10.06 Brad Fullmer - 1B - TEX
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| 147 | jumpball
ID: 198192210
Mon, Mar 08, 2004, 00:18
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10.07 Mark Loretta - 2B - SD
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| 148 | J
Leader
ID: 49346417
Mon, Mar 08, 2004, 01:08
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10.08 Cristian Guzman - SS - Min
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| 149 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Mar 08, 2004, 08:14
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10.09 Cliff Floyd, OF, NYM
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| 150 | Peter N.
Donor
ID: 257161713
Mon, Mar 08, 2004, 10:21
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10.10 C.C. Sabathia, P, CLE
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| 151 | Caper
Donor
ID: 1535108
Mon, Mar 08, 2004, 10:59
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10.11 Jake Peavy-P-SD
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| 152 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Mon, Mar 08, 2004, 11:09
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10.12 Juan Gonzalez, OF, KC
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| 153 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Mon, Mar 08, 2004, 11:11
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10.13 Mike Hampton - P - Atl
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| 154 | Tosh
Sustainer
ID: 57721710
Mon, Mar 08, 2004, 11:28
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10.14 Braden Looper, RP, NY-N
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| 155 | beastiemiked
ID: 2601988
Mon, Mar 08, 2004, 11:52
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10.15 JD Drew, OF, ATL
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| 156 | Slackjawed Yokel
Leader
ID: 52347519
Mon, Mar 08, 2004, 12:23
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10.16 Andy Pettitte, P, Hou
11.01 Mike Lieberthal, C, Phi
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| 157 | Steve Biz
ID: 272172316
Sat, Mar 27, 2004, 18:10
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butt (very usefull stuff)
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