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0 Subject: RIFC 2006: Draft discussion #1

Posted by: Guru - [330592710] Tue, Aug 15, 2006, 18:03
The clock will start on Wednesday morning, but I will activate the draft this evening. The clock will be set at 6 hours, with a moratorium from 11pm-7am EDT. If the clock expires, the next person in line will get to draft, and the skipped drafter will make up his skipped pick whenever he can. The clock will continue to run on weekends.

People at the endpoints of the draft have only one single time limit to make their consecutive picks. Similarly, the clock will be manually advanced to skip past anyone who already has a pick in arrears, unless other arrangements have been made in advance of that pick.

We will maintain a draft discussion thread here, but it will probably not be used extensively. If you know that you have pending time constraints, please post them in this thread. (e.g., "I'll be away until 6pm ET, so if my pick is due before then, you'll have to wait.") To the extent that you can alert everyone to potential availability issues, you can help others to plan their check-in times accordingly. That's simply good draft etiquette.

If you know you will be away when your next pick is likely to be due, you can can set up a queue in kafenatid and designate one of more managers to pick on your behalf. Your queue will not be visible until it is your turn to pick. By default, I am able to submit picks for anyone, but you should designate me so that I receive the email alert when it is your turn.

I will clear all rosters at the fanball site shortly, and ask that each of you pick up your player as soon as you draft him. I will also attempt to make pickups for teams using a designated picker, so that we can maintain as complete a list of free agents as possible.

When drafting, there is no need to draft every position. For example, if you want to skip a kicker, be my guest. However, the Fanball software will force you to fill each of the 14 active slots when you set your lineup for each game. You will not have the ability to leave an active slot blank, so plan your bench needs accordingly.

Rationales will be expected for each pick, but deleayed by two rounds. When we near the end of round two, I will set up a thread for those.

As a final caveat, I am on vacation until Saturday. I do plan to keep up, checking in several times daily. But there will be times when I might not be as available as usual for the first few days.

Any picks made prior to Wednesday morning are discretionary, and not timed. There is no need to get an early start - but feel free to do so, if you are so inclined.

A final caveat: Please refrain from mentioning undrafted players, either in this thread, or in your posted rationale.
1Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Aug 15, 2006, 18:08 		Anyone may use this link to follow the draft in progress: http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/kpeek.pl?93
2Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Aug 15, 2006, 18:21 		I think that each team is able to add its own drafted players, but let me know if that's not the case. On the player listing page, there is a "sign now" link, which I hope is available to everyone.
3culdeus
      ID: 21658420
      Tue, Aug 15, 2006, 18:29 		Aim = culdeus2

I'll follow the draft on kafe during the day, but not what's up here. I'll probably dump my rationales in batches.
4Athletics Guy
      ID: 167191017
      Tue, Aug 15, 2006, 21:18 		Valkyrie, I'm actually more interested in moving my first pick. I'd rather do a complete draft swap.
5GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Tue, Aug 15, 2006, 22:24 		Picked LT up with no problems at all.
Working just find Dave.

So, we got two in.

Guessing legge is still in the air.

Cliff
6TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Tue, Aug 15, 2006, 23:57 		I don't think I will be around in the morning. I made youngroman and Guru DP's for me and set a queue for my first round pick.
7I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 59652217
      Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 07:29 		FYI - Selected Guru and Hubble as my DPs, but was able to get my own pick in this morning.
8Valkyrie
      ID: 313182621
      Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 11:52 		Athletics Guy- I understand but can't really differentiate between our first picks and 3 slots on the way back could be big. Check me again before my next turn I still might accept if the draft surprises me.
9Motley Crue
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 11:57 		I just talked to TB and he's on his way home to pick. I would guess it will be done in 30 minutes or less.

If not, your pizza is free.
10TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 12:25 		No free pizza. Edge is no longer available.
11Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 14:19 		Word of caution - if you make your queue available (to your designated pickers) and it is your turn to pick, I will pick from your queue. If you do not want someone (like me) to pick for you, make sure your queue is unavailable for that round.
12TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 14:21 		Erik wants you to select Peyton Manning for him.
13Doug
      ID: 361412812
      Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 14:39 		From the original post: A final caveat: Please refrain from mentioning undrafted players, either in this thread, or in your posted rationale.
14TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 15:04 		Doug, I am guessing you pasted that for my benefit. Let me spell it out more clearly.

Rotoguru.com was unaccessible before Motley Crue left his office for a meeting. (Been happening a lot lately) It is his turn to pick and he does not have access to kafenatid from work. He should have made me a DP, but he didn't. Erik requested that I post his selection in this thread so that Guru could make the pick for him. So, once again, please select for Motley Crue
1.13 Peyton Manning, QB, Ind
15Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 15:15 		Pick entered
16Motley Crue
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 15:27 		Thanks for making my pick, Guru. Sorry I didn't have any designated pickers set.

Since I appear to have come up again, I'd like to select RB Warrick Dunn, ATL.
17Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 15:48 		If any of the teams picking 1-8 would like to swap 2nd and 3rd round picks with me, I would consider it. In other words, I'd potentially swap my picks 2.04 and 3.11 for your 2nd and 3rd round picks. Email me if interested.

18Doug
      ID: 361412812
      Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 15:55 		Re: 14... thanks for the explanation. I thought it was a joke reference or something, as I had no idea who "Erik" referred to. No harm, no foul. =-)
19TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 17:09 		LOL, I shouldn't have assumed everyone knew MC's first name. I am a little loopy from the pain meds. =)

20GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 17:36 		Crap and I always thought MCs first name was Motley :)

jk

Cliff
21culdeus
      ID: 21658420
      Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 19:15 		What's going on with this wild RB run? Some pretty questionable reaches at this point IMO.

What's this trade you want Guru? Who is picking 1-8? Is that first or second round. As it is I fall in both categories.
22Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 19:38 		I decided to keep the pick. I might have done it with someone who picks nearer the end of round 2 (and beginning of round 3). But none of them had offered, and it was time to move on.

If anyone picking near the end of round 2 wants Droughns, I'd still consider a swap.
23 Valkyrie
      ID: 313182621
      Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 20:52 		I am up- for the next 60 minutes I will trade this pick and my 3rd rounder (#36) for the 2 and 3 rd round picks of any other the top 5 (i.e bottom 5 of the 2nd round). E-mail me if interested.
Steve
24Valkyrie
      ID: 25110210
      Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 21:14 		Make that 30 minutes just so I don't unnecessarily hold the draft up. I'll pick at 6:30 PDT (9:30 EDT) if no one expresses interest by then.
25culdeus
      ID: 21658420
      Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 21:34 		That's the first time in probably 10 years I've taken a WR in the second round.

Unreal. Complete miscalculation of how the events would shake out in front of me.

I'll now go light myself on fire.
26Motley Crue
      ID: 2192327
      Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 21:38 		Thanks, that should be entertaining for the rest of us.
27Athletics Guy
      ID: 167191017
      Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 21:53 		I think this is the 3rd time I've taken a WR in the 2nd round under the RIFC format.
28culdeus
      ID: 21658420
      Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 22:06 		I did a pretty wide ranging study of X-X-X prior to this year. I found that of the playoff qualifiers it's a roughly 50-45-5 split of RB-RB RB-WR Any-Any so it's not a death sentence especially if you get a top tier one. Last year certainly tanks the numbers because Culpepper/McNabb just ruined people.

And without a doubt the single biggest predictor of playoff qualification is having two RBs in the first three rounds. It was extremely rare like ~15% of those that pulled it off, but the sample size is extremely low for that so who knows.
29The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 22:17 		Hold off on the names, please. Very easy to do, granted, but let's be careful out there.
30culdeus
      ID: 21658420
      Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 23:08 		Oh good grief. It's not like you haven't heard of every single player drafted before. It's not like someone says something about [insert x player] and all of a sudden someone jumps up and goes. "Holy #### I totally forgot he was in the league!"

Staying within the spirit of the rule which isn't to shamelessly promote or detract from someone to suit your interests is acceptable.
31The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Wed, Aug 16, 2006, 23:26 		I figure it was bolded in the leading post for a reason. Figured it might have been accidental so I'd point it out since I've come close to doing that myself writing up my rationalizations. No harm done from my perspective, but it's not really my call to make.
32TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 00:05 		What is really funny about it is that if he started a whole new thread to talk about players, then it's okay. BUT, we can't talk about them in this thread. I think that rule was created by some uptight "sharks" many years ago who didn't want other "sharks" to help feed the "guppies". I use those terms loosely because there are no guppies in this league. I will abide by the rule, but it is kinda silly.

On thye other hand, I was very antsy waiting for my 2nd round pick. I really wanted to draft Reggie Bush. Let's say that before my pick came up that one of the other mangers posted that he just didn't know who he wanted and needed a few more minutes. Then another managers says, "I would grab Reggie Bush if I were you." Then that guy drafts Reggie Bush. Well, I would be an unhappy person.
33Motley Crue
      ID: 25712176
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 07:16 		Hey, Doug: don't you have something to say to culdeus?
34Motley Crue
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 09:51 		Beezer, that was a hell of a rationale. Nice work. You've really set the bar high for the rest of us.

Which reminds me: I wrote up my rationale for Manning last night at home, and left it there today. Crap.
35The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 10:03 		Thanks MC. I love doing the rationales because it helps me remember what I was thinking when I try to figure out why I did something dumb later. I doubt the rest of them run that long, but I won't promise that as I can ramble on frequently.
37Motley Crue
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 10:24 		Pff, whatever, leggestand.

You're on my hit list now, buddy boy.
38leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 10:30 		I gave you a "value" pick. Keep up the good work and you may be able to stick around in this league!
39Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 10:30 		I agree that some people seem to go overboard on the undrafted player prohibition. I certainly don't have a problem with the casual mention of an undrafted player which is not in the context of calling attention to him in the current draft (whatever that means!) However, I also realize that different people see things differently (in part depending in their draft situation), and it doesn't hurt to try to enforce the rule strictly, just to avoid any possible unintended consequences. Realize, of course, that by calling out an infraction, you exacerbate the situation by bringing extra attention to the undrafted player's name. Sometimes I think it's better just to allow innocuous infractions alone.

On a separate note, I will be on the road for 11 hours tomorrow, leaving Ohio in mid-morning, and not arriving home until evening. I will try to leave a queue, but that may be difficult depending on where the draft stands when I leave. I will have a cell phone, and would like to have someone available to call me when it's my pick, if necessary. Send me an email if you can fulfill that role, and we'll coordinate. Thanks.
40Motley Crue
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 11:40 		I'm going out for about an hour and a half. If my turn comes up, please be patient. I will post my pick here for Guru or TB or legge to execute sometime after that.
43Motley Crue
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 14:05 		I'll take WR Plaxico Burress, NYG.

Thanks.
44leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 14:12 		I actually can't figure out how to make a pick for MC. I am getting "Queue Unavailable/Empty" with no ability to type anything in. Anyone have suggestions?
45TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 14:13 		It says Queue Unavailable/Empty and won't let me make a pick for you. No drop down box where I can put in a name.
46TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 14:14 		Glad to see I wasn't going crazy. Guess we wait till Guru gets back.
47Motley Crue
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 14:18 		Nevermind, my woman did it for me.

You technologically stunted boobs.
48TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 14:22 		Good to see you trust somebody with your password. Lord knows, there is a lot of classified information in kafenatid. =)

I will be out for about 2 hours, then should be back for the rest of today.
49deepsnapper
      Leader
      ID: 017103420
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 15:12 		unsolicited tip of the day - you have to make your queue Available to your desiginated pickers after you put players in it. (2 separate functions in OTC.) ;)

ds
50Motley Crue
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 15:14 		I messed up; my bad.

I never made a queue! I just assumed if I added those guys as designated pickers, they would be able to pick for me if I told them one name in another location (here, telephone, wherever).

And the IDP ice is broken...
51Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 16:14 		I thought that designated pickers could make picks even if the queue was unavailable. I'm surprised if that's not the case.
52Doug
      ID: 361412812
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 16:18 		I don't think you have to make a queue, just that it has to be set as "available"... then they can type the name in for you. I could be wrong.

In other words, I don't think the available/unavailable switch is actually queue-specific, I think it actually is more of a "let my pickers pick for me / don't let them pick for me" toggle.

I could be wrong. It's happened twice.
53TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 16:26 		I bet you are correct, Doug, and we can test it. I will make you a DP for me on my upcoming pick. I will erase my queue, but make it available. Don't be drafting anyone for me, though...lol
54Motley Crue
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 16:37 		Doug, he wants Onterrio Smith...
55Doug
      ID: 361412812
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 16:38 		Well aren't you just a draft whiz... =-p
56JeffG
      ID: 146591911
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 16:39 		Just chiming in. I am in another league drafting using On The Clock.

There was a change from how it worked for the 2006 baseball draft and prior. Now the DP can only enter a pick for someone else from that person's queue. The only free-form typing in of a name picking can be done only for your own picks, or for someone else by the ADMIN or COMMISH.

So for a DP to make a pick for you, you have to set a queue AND make it 'available'.
57Doug
      ID: 361412812
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 16:39 		TB: It says "Queue Unavailable / Empty"
58Doug
      ID: 361412812
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 16:39 		Thanks for the update JeffG.
59TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 16:46 		Okay. I doubled checked to make sure and I did have it set to "available" Going to post my rationale and then pick now.

60Motley Crue
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 16:51 		Well, that sucks, unless I make a 100 man queue. I guess I could do that.

I'll work on it tonight.
61Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 17:08 		I just emailed KKB to see if there was some way to relax that limitation. Most times, I'd be available to make picks for others. But not tomorrow.
62 Doug
      ID: 361412812
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 17:12 		FYI, I will be travelling tomorrow as well. I expect to briefly log on around 8am PST, then be unavailable most of the day. I will attempt to leave a solid queue along with DPs, but depending on the situation may also request phone calls w/ draft updates. I'll have a printout with me so I can track the draft. Please email me if you think you'd like to volunteer for phone duty. =-)

After tomorrow, I still expect to have "spotty" internet access as I will be travelling until the 27th. Hopefully via queues and/or phone calls I will not be a hindrance to the draft.
63 leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 17:19 		I am looking at possibly swapping 5th and 6th round picks for someone between pick 8-14. If someone is interested in an early 5th round pick, send me an email.
65KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 107471717
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 18:53 		If someone needs a pick to be made, I'm certainly available tomorrow. Just use the Feedback form at the site and let me know.

Guru, tried to send a reply, but it got bounced back. Not sure why.

Anyhow, the short story is that I'll be working on functionality to allow a manager to set whether or not they want to allow free-form entry by their desginated pickers. It should be wrapped up sometime this weekend, if not earlier.
66Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 20:27 		TB - can I use you as my DP for tomorrow? I'll have a queue set up (and available).
67TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 20:52 		Yes, you sure can. I am nursing a bum shoulder so should be around all day if anyone else needs a DP. If you want an update when it's your turn to pick, email me a phone number and I will call.
69Athletics Guy
      ID: 167191017
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 21:03 		Heh, why is it that Raiders fans always wind up with Tom Brady in RIFC?
70TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 21:13 		I think it's because I like how the refs look the other way when the NE O-line holds and how the majority of calls go their way. Really helps my fantasy stats. ;)
71leggestand
      ID: 426542419
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 22:04 		This pick would happen a lot faster if IAC didn't just take Gonzalez...
72Motley Crue
      ID: 2192327
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 22:30 		If Hubble's in Europe as I suspect, it's around 4 AM for him. So maybe he'll pick in a few hours.
73Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 22:31 		If any trades are done between 9am-9pm tomorrow, someone will have to email KKB to get it processed. Use the feedback form at the kafenatid site, as he suggests in [65].
74For Goatlocker
      ID: 2192327
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 22:45 		Hubble deflates a few ballons, I'm sure.

I inserted a placeholder for GoatLocker. So, if you're still around, Hubble, you can post your rationales.
75For Goatlocker
      ID: 2192327
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 22:46 		Ballons, balloons, yeah.
76Motley Crue
      ID: 2192327
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 22:47 		Heh. I seem to be too tired to get this right!

Good night. Draft well while I'm gone.

I will be online all day tomorrow, but with no Kafenatid access.
77The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 22:49 		Brutal, I tells ya, brutal! Last 3 picks were right off the top of my sheet. Nice ones!
78Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 22:50 		leggestand - I emailed you with an offer re post 71.
79Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 22:55 		Trade completed:

leggestand gets 5.11 and 6.04
Guru gets 5.03 and 6.12
81Athletics Guy
      ID: 167191017
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 23:24 		Re: Post 70
So true, and he's fumble-proof too.
82TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Thu, Aug 17, 2006, 23:34 		Exactly...
85Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 09:19 		I'm about to hit the highway. I left a modest queue, which may or may not last for 20 picks. If the draft makes it back to me, you'll probably have to wait until I get home, hopefully by 10pm. (Remember that leggestand now controls my 5.11 and 6.04 picks.)

TB has my cell phone number if it's needed.
86TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 09:25 		Does that mean I get to be the acting 1SG while Guru is gone?

Okay, I need a three-man detail for police call on the rationales thread. I also need a detail for managers to add their newly drafted players to their RIFC team. Hoooah

=)
87Motley Crue
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 09:31 		I'm a civilian. You're barking up the wrong tree.

*rolls over and goes back to sleep*
88TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 09:32 		LOL
89TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 11:48 		Hey Legge, I am stepping out for an hour/hour and a half. I know that Doug and MC have you as a DP and I set you as one for me too. Please just draft the top guy for me when my turn comes up. It's a small queue so if they are all gone I will pick when I get back.
90leggestand
      Leader
      ID: 451036518
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 11:56 		Sounds good. I should be around.
91Motley Crue
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 12:12 		legge, please pick RB Chris Brown, TEN for me now.
92Motley Crue
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 12:24 		That goes for you, too, TB, if you come back anytime soon.

I'm leaving now. Chris Brown better be on my team when I get back!
93Hubble
      ID: 185332620
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 14:48 		It's too nice out, i'm going to play some golf...

Will be back at 20:30... i'm not real comfortable with a 8 man Q. Hopefully you guys won't have to wait for me.
94TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 14:57 		I think you are okay, Hubble. I don't think Guru will be back to pick until about that time and too many picks have come off the board for him not to sit down and analyze his draft board before making a pick. We have been making great progress on the draft. Good job to everyone.
95Motley Crue
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 15:45 		Good job to everyone.

Hmph. Someone hasn't looked at the Rationale thread lately. It's approaching "atrocious".
96The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 15:50 		Agreed, MC. There are several in this thread that need to be moved over, and that would help a lot, but we're missing several besides that.
97TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 17:33 		I have moved over the rationales that were in this thread, cleaned the formats up a bit, and deleted those posts from this thread.

Missing rationales (by Kafenatid nic):

culdeus-
-1.07 Clinton Portis
-2.08 Chad Johnson
-3.07 DeShaun Foster
-4.08 Javon Walker
RotoGuru
-3.11 Donald Driver
-4.04 Jeremy Shockey
Stray Doug
-3.12 Roy Williams
-4.03 Jonathan Vilma
eserel
-1.14 Willie Parker
-2.01 Brian Westbrook
-3.14 Andre Johnson
-4.01 Derrick Mason

It looks like only 8 teams are adding their players on the RIFC League site after they draft them. Go to the RIFC league site, hover over Transactions with your mouse and then click on Drop/Add players. Find their name in the right window, highlight the player name you want to add, and then click on process.
This link might take you directly to that page: add/drop.
98I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 3579513
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 17:48 		Sorry about the Fanball roster... it's now been updated.
99TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 17:50 		I talked with Guru and he said he should be home and have his pick made by 10pm, if not a little earlier. I am signing off for the rest of the day. It shouldn't make it back down to the south side until tomorrow.
100The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 18:14 		Thanks TB - that's a big improvement.
101culdeus
      ID: 376401719
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 21:11 		I'm behind on rationales I know. It will be some time before I can catch up when I do I'll do them all at once.
102culdeus
      ID: 376401719
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 21:34 		All there. Made time.
103The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 21:43 		Love the pics in with the post. I might have to start doing that myself. :)
104GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 21:46 		Really long, bad day at work.
Will get FanBall updated shortly.

Cliff
105Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 21:57 		Home again, and just made my pick. Thanks to TB for keeping me apprised while on the road. Kudos to everyone for moving the draft along at a brisk pace. I don't think we've ever completed 6 rounds in the first 3 days.
106GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 22:15 		Ok, just picked.
It's to Hubble for 2.

Let's keep this going.

Cliff
107I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 59652217
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 22:21 		Hubble's online... so I think he should be arround... I'll be arround watching for my turn as well (if people need to leave queues or whatever)
108Hubble
      ID: 185332620
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 22:39 		I was afk... will pick within 10 minutes...
109Motley Crue
      ID: 2192327
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 23:22 		I'm here with full net access all evening, too.
110Athletics Guy
      ID: 167191017
      Fri, Aug 18, 2006, 23:24 		GoatLocker, are you still here?
111Doug
      ID: 441251914
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 00:50 		Got brief access tonight and just left a queue that should cover my next 2 picks. If possible, give me a call to confirm before picking for me. Don't call before 7:30am PST though please. Really bummed I can't be more involved guys. Will try to post rationales when I can... I think I'll have better access on Sunday.

Thanks TB and leggestand for your help today!
112I_AM_CANADIAN
      ID: 59652217
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 00:54 		MC I added you to my DPs. I've set a 3 player queue (available). Feel free to use it. Thx
113TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 01:00 		LOL, I just set up a queue to cover my next pick too. Nobody wants to get up early tomorrow, eh?
114Motley Crue
      ID: 2192327
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 02:24 		I just noticed that under this

Designated Picker for Others
These are managers who have specified that you are allowed to make picks for them.

it allows you to "refuse".

Heh. What's up with that?
115GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 02:26 		I think the thought behind Refuse when Fred did it was that if you were not going to be around, you could refuse so they would know to add someone else.

Just what comes to mind, but we all know I have no memory.

Cliff
116Motley Crue
      ID: 2192327
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 02:27 		Yeah, good point.

That you have no memory, I mean. I totally agree.
117GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 03:43 		Now that is amazing, somebody agreeing with me, that is.

Cliff
118culdeus
      ID: 376401719
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 10:18 		I completed two slow drafts of nearly 20 rounds on MFL in just over a week. I think the Kafe system has outlived it's usefulness. Plus no added cost with MFL over the league cost.

The primary advantage is that it automatically picks from your queue for you when you are up. So when someone goes AWOL usually the next 8 picks happen instentaneously.

119The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 10:33 		Who can take a queue over the next three hours?
121Hubble
      ID: 185332620
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 10:38 		I can... i'm not in front of computer all time, but i'll check in...
122The Beezer
      Leader
      ID: 191202817
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 10:42 		Thanks - I've added you to my list.
123GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 10:46 		The Beezer,
Just got up, but I'll be around also if you want to add me.

Cliff
124TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 12:29 		RE 118, we use MFL for our survivor league drafts. I almost always have my picks preselected and it picks for me as soon as my turn comes up. MC and I were talking about a couple suggestions for the On The Clock software.

1) Make an option for the queue to automatically select your top player. No need for DP if you check that option.

2) Make an option to "only show" your top rated player to your DP's. I know there are times none of us want to make a long queue because we don't want everyone to see who we have on our radar.
125Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 13:03 		I've passed along those suggestions to KKB. I know I've made the second suggestion in previous draft, and I'm a bit surprised that it hasn't been implemented yet, since it seems like an easy one.
126Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 13:25 		culdeus - Your Tatum Bell references in 3.07 (DeShaun Foster) make no sense in the context of that pick. I suspect they belong in your 5.07 rationale (D. Rhodes), since Tatum was picked immediately ahead of that?
127culdeus
      ID: 376401719
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 13:41 		Yeah, I got a little confused there and was doing that all pretty much from memory at 90 miles an hour while intoxicated.

-------

I think people are overthinking this draft a bit and getting too "cute" with their picks. People on the corners seem to be in way to big a hurry to jumpstart runs when there is considerable value on the board.
128Hubble
      ID: 185332620
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 13:47 		Are Randy Moss/Marvin Harrisson out of value? Did I reach on Benson/Jones as 2nd/3rd RB? Just out of curiosity...
129Athletics Guy
      ID: 167191017
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 13:49 		I say we band together and start a kicker run :)
130Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 13:59 		I just updated rosters for the two teams that still had completely empty rosters on Fanball: culdeus and Doug. Thanks to the other 12 of you who are following instructions and keeping your rosters relatively current.

(I also added the latest two picks for Hubble, since I was "in the neighborhood".)

132leggestand
      ID: 426542419
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 15:49 		I have to admit that this draft is very interesting. So many people are going different directions with their strategies.

I guess I attribute it to increasing the starting IDP's to 6.
133Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 15:54 		Doug is certainly traveling on a peculiar path. I'm sure he has an interesting rationale (which probably explains why he hasn't posted one yet).

134Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 15:56 		Having just said that, I sure hope Doug intended me to pick from that queue of his!
135Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 16:03 		...but if his next queued pick shows another IDP, I'm going to wait until I get confirmation from him to go with it. I know he's got limited internet access, and I want to make sure we aren't using an obsolete queue.
137leggestand
      ID: 426542419
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 16:08 		I'll give Doug a phone call and check back in here...
138leggestand
      ID: 426542419
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 16:09 		Straight to voice mail, but I left him a message.
139leggestand
      ID: 426542419
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 16:11 		Quadruple post...

re 134: Andra Davis was not on his queue yesterday, so, I imagine that is who he wanted this round.
140TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 16:12 		I am looking at his team thinking he is going to be strong at IDP. He has three of the top 10-15 LB each in the 150-160 scoring range.

Hubble, I thought your Jones/Benson picks on the turn were brilliant. Neither would have been there on your next set of picks and you locked up the Chicago running game. Either by themself was a bit of a risk, but I think you are sitting good at the RB position now.
141leggestand
      ID: 426542419
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 17:01 		Guru, I haven't gotten in touch with Doug, but his next pick is not an IDP, according to his queue. Since you pick right after him, I'll let you decide what route to go. My hunch is that we should use his queue.
142leggestand
      ID: 426542419
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 17:04 		Speak of the devils...Doug called and wanted Welker and was good with the Andra Davis pick.
143TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 17:05 		Need to know if we are starting a new rationale thread or if we should do about 8 rounds per thread and keep it at three threads.
144Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 17:06 		Haha - I actually expected that he would take Welker with one of those 2 picks!
145TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 17:17 		I had Welker coming up on my radar and wondered if anyone else did.

I am in limbo on the rationale placeholders. Do I add more on the current thread or wait to see if you start a new thread? I wait.
146Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 17:22 		Since we have 24 rounds, I'm going to split the rationales in groups of 6 rounds. So continue the current thread through 6.14.
148culdeus
      ID: 21658420
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 17:55 		I just don't get Doug's thing. I have to think people were using an obsolete queue. He gets 4 offensive players with really really low floors and then breaks the seal on D/ST and rolls with 3 LBs.

McGahee represented one of the biggest reaches of the first round (bigger than Parker IMO) and yet he sits with the biggest Dodds ranking of everyone at this point. I expect that to plummet as people start filling in starters though.

I just don't see how that team has a chance of making the playoffs right now. Really. It's gonna take a miracle.
149culdeus
      ID: 21658420
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 18:03 		Left a queue that should last two round, but might last more. Will be out of pocket most likely thru mid morning. Please don't pick for it more than two timss. (stop at round 10)

thanks
150TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 18:37 		Sorry that took almost an hour to decide. I really needed about 5 picks in a row right there.

Culdeus, I don't get you sometimes. This is our third year together in the same RIFC leagues and each year you go on these tangents about picks. Honestly, I find that all of your picks are predictable and that's because you use FBG numbers like it is the Lord's gospel. Doug is also using them, based on his picks, but he adjusted Welker's projection numbers to reflect return yards. I still have a couple WR rated over Welker, but not by much. For the record, he was the 21st highest scoring WR last year and was the 33rd drafted receiver this year.

But the part I don't get is if you have it all figured out, why would you post like your upset at everyone else's picks unless they weren't supposed to grab them then because you were going to get them later? If everyone else is drafting stupid, you should walk away with the title.

I guess you didn't see how good McGahee looked in their last preseason game. He could be a top 5 back this year and in the place he was drafted he was one of the highest rated RB still available, according to DD and current FBG projections. Parker is 13 and McGahee is 14. Your Dodd's ranking isn't going to be accurate if you don't reflect return yards.

I just realized I never even added points for Bush getting return yards so he could have an even higher ceiling. I did adjust McGee to 160 points (added 55) and Hall to 148 points (added 84). McGee had 164 last year in 15 games so I am optimistic that he scores over 170. Hall scored 154.7 last year so hopefully I low-balled his projections as well. So you can probably look at where you have me on your Dodds and add another 140 points. Or not.
151GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 060151121
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 19:12 		Gotta love it.
Only midway through round 8 and here we go again.

Cliff
152TB
      Sherpa
      ID: 031811922
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 20:03 		LOL. I have nothing but love for all my gurupie brethren, and maybe I am reading his rationales and posts wrong, but they seem kinda smug.

And as I’ve said the single biggest predictor of playoff qualification is going at least with two RBs in the first three picks.
Maybe its because 11 or 12 of the 14 teams drafted 2 RB in the first three rounds and 8 of the 14 make the play-offs. Now, when it comes to winning the league that is a different story. Personally, I like to get two strong ones early, but that has not been predictor for championship success. Guru won last year drafting QB, RB, WR. MC won the year before drafting Barlow and Henry in the first two rounds and who were both busts. Culdeus had the best record in our AAA league because he drafted Johnson in the 6th round, not because of the injured RB he drafted in the 1st round. I like smack talking, football chat, the draft, and the entire football season, but there are so many things that can change the outcome of the season. It's short and one major injury can kill a team.

The Portis injury significantly weakened my spot here, but since RIFC uses the antiquated waiver system having a weak week 1 may not be the worst thing in the world.
I don't think it is antiquated. I believe it is to help the weaker teams and give everyone a shot to win the league. If a bad draft means your team sucks all year, you might find some disinterested managers after about week 6. I do think there are different waiver wire rules we could use instead of the current one, but antiquated isn't the adjective I would have chosen.

...but with some people making the horrific strategy move of RBRBRB that was all that was left.
I am guessing that someone has adjusted from their past draft strategy: Post 2, first paragraph

I certainly enjoy being in a league with Culdeus. He is active, posts a strong opinion, and I believe I have become more knowledge about fantasy football and a better manager having to play against him the last couple of years. I just think his comments are a trip sometimes. =)
153Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 20:13 		When MC posted in another thread how much he liked Cadillac Williams this year, I had to gulp.

I had flashbacks to Travis Henry two years ago!
154KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 407331722
      Sat, Aug 19, 2006, 20:23 		Just want to make sure everybody catches the announcement...

The following set of changes will take effect tomorrow, Sunday, August 20. The exact time the changes will take effect is not known because it will be done when I can maxmize my time to catch any bugs/errors that may have been missed in testing.

You will know the changes have taken effect when the version number at the bottom of each On the Clock section reads "Version: 1.04.008 (2006-08-20)."

Changes...

"Keeper Entry" will now be available along side "Start Draft" for league admin's whose leagues have been designated as Keeper Leagues. Keeper Entry will "start" the draft for the admin only and allow the admin to enter keepers for every manager in the draft. The time limit and email notifications will be turned off while Keeper Entry is in effect. After Keeper Entry is complete, the admin can click Start Draft to start the draft as normal and the draft will pick up at the end of the Keeper Entry with any time limits and email notifications in place.

"Make Only the First Player Available" will be an option available for managers who have their queue set to Available. This option will allow managers to only have the first player in their queue show up to their designated pickers and the league admin. This can be used to prevent others from seeing who you're looking at for future rounds or any other purpose you may have to hide the rest of your queue. This option is not available/in effect when your queue is set to Unavailable. NOTE: The default setting is to have All Players show up to keep the system functioning as it is currently.

"Make Free-Form Entry Available" will be an option available for managers who have their queue set to Available. This option will display the "Use Search" link to a manager's designated pickers if the manager's queue contains players. If the manager's queue is empty, this option will display the free-form entry field (search field) automatically to a manager's designated pickers. NOTE: The default setting is to have Free-Form Entry Unavailable to keep the system functioning as it is currently.

E-mails will not be sent to designated pickers if the next manager on the clock has their queue set to Unavailable or has their queue available, but no players in the queue and Free-Form Entry set to Unavailable. This prevents designated pickers fr