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Subject: RIHC 2005-06: REgular season Discussion #1
Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Sun, Oct 30, 2005, 19:30
The draft is complete, and all undrafted players have cleared waivers.
Since the rules for injuries are going to take some getting used to, I'll repeat them here:
Three bench slots are available to hold any player. Two additional bench slots will be enabled, but are restricted as “injury slots”, hereafter abbreviated as “IS”. A player in an IS must be placed in one of these bench slots, and cannot remain in an active slot.
An NBA player shall be eligible to fill an IS if he is listed in any “informed” source as being injured more seriously than “day-to-day”. Examples of acceptable information sources include (but are not limited to):
RotoWire
RotoWorld
RotoTimes
ESPN
NBA.com
Newspaper stories (citing facts, not speculation).
Once a player appears in an NBA game, he is no longer eligible to fill an IS, even if a published source fails to remove his listing. When a player is no longer IS eligible, the team shall have a limited amount of time to remove that player from the IS, as defined below.
If a manager wishes to move a player into an IS but cannot find a confirming source, he may request that the Commissioner approve the designation. The Commissioner shall use his best judgment in making such a determination.
If any manager believes that another team has improperly moved a player into an IS, he may file a protest with the Commissioner. If any manager disagrees with a Commissioner ruling, he may request a league vote. Six votes shall be required to overturn any Commissioner ruling related to an IS.
Each Wednesday, the Commissioner shall review all rosters to assure that any filled injury slots are appropriate. In the event that an IS is improperly filled, the Commissioner will notify the manager of the violation via the email link at the Yahoo site. The notified manager will have 48 hours to correct the roster or to provide a satisfactory explanation. If a breach remains uncorrected 48 hours after notice, the Commissioner shall have the authority to drop a bench player in order to bring the roster into conformance. The player dropped will be based upon the Commissioner’s judgment as to the best interests of the impacted team.
The Commissioner shall have the latitude to extend the time for curing a breach if he knows that the manager is unreachable and/or unavailable to make the adjustment.
No player which is in an IS slot may be placed in a starting slot on any day unless the bench has been cleared of that injury slot, or unless another player is eligible to replace that player in the vacated IS. In the event of a violation, the Commissioner may elect to void any stats generated by improperly activated player.
As before, no player may be picked up as a free agent and immediately placed in an IS. Free agent additions are only IS eligible 10 days after pickup, unless the player has appeared in an NBA game after the pickup and the IS eligibility occurred thereafter.
My understanding of past precedent is that IL status would not have been declared until the first game day. In Yahoo terms, this would mean that no player would have been IL eligible until at least some time on Tuesday, Nov. 1.
Thus, you can move a player into an injury slot starting at noon Eastern time on November 1. This should put those in all time zones on a reasonably available posture.
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| 1 | hoopsklyce
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Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 09:58
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regarding injury policy about the following ammendment
A player is eligible for the injury slot after X games of DNP. I propose X is 3.
That way I don't need to wade through the injury reports. Also then you don't need to be subjective about the description of the injury.
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| 2 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 10:03
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I considered something like that. I have a couple of concerns.
1. A DNP is not necessarily symptomatic of an injury. In fact, a player could be on the active list and still DNP. Or, as another example, a player could DNP because he has been sent down to the developmental league. That should not be a reason to place him in an injury slot.
2. By the time a player misses three games, he might be close to returning. Thus, while I could see using this as a "safe harbor", I don't think it should replace the original guidelines.
3. Some injuries are easily identified immediately. If a player breaks his leg, that manager would not want to wait for 3 games to move him to an injury slot.
It's OK with me if we want to institute an additional guideline that states that if a player misses 3 consecutive games due to injury, he may be placed in an injury slot. I can't imagine that this would pick up any player who wasn't already eligible under the previous standards.
The concern for the need to "wade through injury reports" rings hollow to me. If you notice that a player fails to play and you don't why, what is a manager likely to do? Check out an injury report. That's what fantasy team managers do.
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| 3 | Pacers Rule
ID: 46946127
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 10:22
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Happy Halloween!
Hoopsklyce, I can appreciate the desire to make the criteria more concrete & black & white, but I have to agree with Guru's reasoning here.
Since we're discussing the injury issue, I had another clarifying question or two.
(1) does the manager of the injured player need to notify the league in this thread of moving the player to IS and also at that time post a link to their confirming 'documentation' of the injury? Or is this more a behind the scenes thing that people can just take care of themselves, and documentation of the injury will only be necessary if someone challenges the action, or upon commissioner review it is questioned.
(2) does the manager have to wait until an injured player DNP's to move them to an IS? For example, if your player leaves the game due to a separated shoulder, his team doesn't play again for 3 days, and the prognosis is he'll be out at least a week (for example), can he be immediately moved to an IS and replaced until such time as he begins playing again, or would that manager have to wait until he formally DNPs 3 days later to move him to IS and replace him with another bench player.
(3) Just wondering about the day-to-day designation in the case of one site listing him as day to day and another listing him as out for an expected time period, or "likely" to miss a week or what have you. Does this player qualify for IS or is that too general a question and each situation will need to be on a case by case basis. If so, does the manager just do it if he feels it's justified or does he need to seek commissioner or league approval or post his rationale in this discussion thread (for every such move or only questionable ones)
(4) The other issue is what if a player continues to be listed as day to day, but continues to be out for an extended period of time? Do we want to set up a guideline that even a player formally listed as 'day to day' but misses a certain amount of times or number of games would be eligible for an IS? I would think that would be appropriate depending, as no matter what his official 'designation' is, if he's not playing for you he's not playing for you. Last year, I had Tinsley. They could never figure out what was wrong with his foot for like months. Throughout that whole time he was listed as 'day to day' because the Pacers never wanted to put him on the IL which would require him to miss the mandatory 5 games in hopes that he might actually be ready to go sooner than that. So he was never eligible for IL status, yet he missed 10's of games. Perhaps the whole 'day to day' thing will lose some meaning this year as teams are no longer required to stick players on an IL with a mandatory number of missed games.
I don't mean to muck up the waters here. I'm just trying to understand what intentions and procedures are.
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| 4 | hoopsklyce
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Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 10:26
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what if a player is day to day with a strained hamstring and misses three games - he can not be put on IL using our rules
I would like that option
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| 5 | hoopsklyce
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Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 10:28
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I now see that Pacers mentions that in 4)
That is why I wrote the ammendment in the first place
Of course I will already have seen the injury listed in the one of the resources such as rotoworld
It is not to be inplace of referencing the sites
it was not to be in place of any of the other criteria
the criteria how has a hole in it
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| 6 | hoopsklyce
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Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 10:40
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how about 4 bench spots and no IL?
have one more round of draft (random order or continue the draft)
don't need to worry about all the admin during the season and roster checking?
I am in a league with 8 active players and 8 bench spots
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| 7 | Pacers Rule
ID: 46946127
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 10:51
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Re #6, thought we had pretty much decided not to go this way? Just kind of waiting on an official final policy decision?
I could see implementing the IS being a problem with a group of manipulative managers and a lazy or inept commish. However,
We....are....RIHC!!!
*streamers and confetti falling*
:-)
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| 8 | Swish City
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Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 10:55
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hoopsklyce, i think you might be missing the point somewhat regarding these IS slots. What we're trying to accomplish is an accurate (as we feasibly can) simulation of the IL rules that were in previous existence.
If, using your own example, a player is day-to-day but it keeps him out for say 3 games, that in itself would not qualify a player for the IL as things were before. It's not a case of whether we want the option to put a player in an IS, it's whether they should be there. Typically, a player with this kind of injury would have their injury status updated if they miss several games. If not, well, these things happen. And PR's example of Tinsley is a very good one. But if these situations weren't dealt with when we had an IL, isn't that the way we want it this time around as well?
We're not going to be able to catch every single occurrence of an injury this way, but at least if we stay away from day-to-day status, it's fairly close. The flip side of the situation is another good example here: if you are allowed to IS a player that is day-to-day but has missed 3 games, what happens when he unexpectedly comes back the next day and you've just picked someone up?
That's why i think we should steer clear of any day-to-day and "eligible after x DNP" type qualifying criteria, as it just makes an already murky situation even messier.
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| 9 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:15
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I'll address some of PRs specific questions:
(1) A manager does not need to post a notice when he moves a player to an IS. We are using the honor system here. Presumably, if anyone else cares to monitor it, they can notice most transactions by looking for those in which a player is added without a corresponding drop.
(2) You do not need to wait for a DNP to move a player, as long as you have appropriate evidence that the injury qualifies.
(3) You only need to find one source of confirming information. If one site lists a player as day-to-day but another says he is out for longer, then you can make the move.
(4) I think this is the issue that hoopsklyce was getting to. Swish has already pointed out one objection to this.
There is a "catch-all" provision that says that if you can't find a source to confirm a longer term injury you can request a ruling from the Commish. Until I see the actual situation, I can't say how I would resolve those issues. But it's not clear that a proposal such as hoopsklyce's addresses the situation without creating other undesirable loopholes.
The intent of these guidelines is to try to implement the "spirit of the IL". To do so requires that we rely on some subjectivity. As the season progresses, we may discover a better way to do this, or we may identify additional guidlelines which seem to work well. Consequently, consider this a work-in-progress. But after a little thought on the hoopsklyce proposal, I'm not persuaded that it is a desirable amendment.
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| 10 | hoopsklyce
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Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:22
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It seems so clean and easy to have 4 bench spots and be done with it. Right now the injury policy is over 30 lines.
Why model last year injury rules? - why not model the way the NBA is doing it now
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| 11 | hoopsklyce
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ID: 59923214
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:26
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I can see the 3 games rule is problematic so now my only ammendment is give one more thought to having the 4 benchs spots
Other than that I am also to keep the IS policy as drafted but I would hope it does not become a headache to to use
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| 12 | Pacers Rule
ID: 46946127
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:27
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Just my .02, FWIW, like Hoopsklyce, I'd like to see the Tinsley situation changed so that we CAN place that type of player on our IS. To me, that is more in line with the spirit of the rule, even though in the past administratively it was impossible. This could actually be a benefit of us manually administering our own IS (bench slot) in that we get to use what criteria make sense to us as a group and are not dependent on the whims and inconsistent timing of the yahoo! website administrators, who for example, apparently didn't realize until we notified them that there was a new CBA this year and the IL was done away with.
As far as your example of what do we do if the day to day player (who is not playing for you) gets put on IS and then replaced, and then unexpectedly plays.....
Then our rules apply and the situation needs to be corrected I think within 48 hours (somebody gets cut and the player is taken off of the IS).
Or is the deadline 48 hours from when you get busted? ;-)
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| 13 | Pacers Rule
ID: 46946127
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 11:34
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Oops. Started post #12 before Guru's post #9 and then actual work got in the way :-) and I had to delay finishing the post.
I see what you're saying Guru about how the provision to address a Tinsley type of situation was already there in the language about appealing to the commish for other unique situations re: IS eligibility.
I wonder if it wouldn't be beneficial to go ahead and put something more concrete into place on that though, and say something along the lines of what Hoopsklyce was suggesting to add a 3 games missed while on Day to Day status as being an automatic qualification for IS.
I would see the benefits of this as being reducing adminstrative load on Guru because there are some concrete criteria in place for that type of situation and also would maybe help clarify that type of situation for all of us so we all feel comfortable that there will be consistency in that decision-making. Not that we don't trust you Guru, I think we all definitely do. Just that maybe someone wouldn't know when it would be appropriate to ask for IS eligibility , and maybe another manager would think the situation proposed wasn't work asking for or would disagree with the decision, or whatever. I just see this kind of criteria as a win-win, but of course, I could be missing something.
-PR
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| 14 | Guru
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Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 12:02
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The reason for modeling an IS rule is that had an IL rule in place when we started the draft.
Some injury-prone players were drafted with the explicit understanding that they could be put in an IL slot if they were eligible. This would not put the team at any bench disadvantage (vs. other teams) unless the 2 IL slots were already filled.
As Commish, I do not believe it is fair to change that relative value proposition after the draft is completed. Next year, we might very well decide to use an extra bench slot. But, I believe that the league effectively starts when the draft starts, and rule changes should only be implemented after that time when there is a compelling reason.
Frankly, I don't think the rules I have set up are onerous for anyone, including me. Each of you only needs to be responsible for your own team. You should be aware of you own situation, and able to make informed judgments. If you are unsure about a particular situation, ask me. If I am unsure, I'll survey the league.
My only obligation, other than responding to specific inquiries, is to do a once-a-week review each Wednesday. All I need to do is check 12 rosters for bench slots, and confirm that any team with more than 3 bench slots filled has someone eligible in the extra slots. Assuming that a player was appropriately placed in a slot, the primary issue will be to ensure that the player has not played in the past week. That's a simple one-click check.
Those of you who are objecting to the proposal seem to be doing so mostly on the basis of my workload. Let me make a deal with you. I'll worry about my workload. You only need to worry about yours.
I don't mean to sound argumentative about this, and I appreciate those of you who are proposing a kinder, gentler solution. Maybe I'm being unrealistically naive. But I really don't think that, for a league with managers of RIHC caliber, the proposed criteria are going to be a significant problem. And I have already rejected the simplistic "add a bench slot" as being inappropriate for this league under the circumstances.
I wouldn't propose this for a public league in which some managers were unknown or non-trustworthy. I don't have that concern about this league. I'd rather get it right, as opposed to keeping it simple.
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| 15 | Guru
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Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 12:07
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PR[12] - the effective time limit for removing an active player from an IS is 48 hours after "getting busted."
I'll appreciate it if you move them prior to that. But I don't want to impose an obligation to check your team every day. And I don't want to imply that by waiting until you are busted, you have somehow taken unfair advantage of the rules.
Therefore, the official limit is that an active player must be removed from an IS by the Friday following the first Wednesday after he has appeared in a game. Of course, if you want to start that player sooner than that, then you must take him out of the IS at that time.
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| 16 | Pacers Rule
ID: 46946127
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 13:48
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Mike D-
don't miss your cue....
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| 17 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 14:08
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How's this: link
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| 18 | Pacers Rule
ID: 46946127
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 14:25
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Brings back memories of Addicted's GMD team a couple years ago. When you opened the thread, the Music that played for the Bulls introductions- when they shut the lights out- played. I can't remember the name of it, but I used to load that thread just to hear our theme song (man that sounds pathetic!) it was so fun. I remember then there got to be a bit of a battle between the GMD teams on who had the coolest music. Can anyone remember the name of that song, or better yet, post a link to it?
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| 19 | Mike D
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Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 14:38
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PR, not sure what you mean. Guess I missed my cue. ;)
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| 20 | Pacers Rule
ID: 46946127
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 15:43
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Hard to imagine, Mike D. Not much gets past you.
Try Posts 96 and 107 to refresh your memory.
OT, but I see your distant cousin, Mike C, has been around.
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| 21 | Pacers Rule
ID: 46946127
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 15:58
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Sirius
Alan Parsons Project
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| 22 | Mike D
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ID: 41831612
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 16:08
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There would be too many of them in this thread, PR.
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| 24 | Flying Polack
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Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 17:04
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Hey all,
I was lurking in your thread and there's one issue you might want to address.
When you waive someone in Yahoo! the player isn't removed from your roster until the next day. If somebody comes off IS on Friday and another player is waived, you could technically have both players active on Friday night.
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| 25 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 18:10
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That's probably an idiosyncrasy that we'll have to live with.
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| 26 | Mike D
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Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 20:07
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Good point though. It wasn't like that with IL because there was a one day delay. No so with "IS"!
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| 27 | Doug
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Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 22:02
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Hmmm... so I guess it depends what your definition of IS is.
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| 28 | Pacers Rule
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Mon, Oct 31, 2005, 23:53
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duh-dunt...chhhh!!
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| 29 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 10:37
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I will be running the daily standings program as in prior years, complete with capabilities for splits by date and per game averages. The program keys off of team name, so please do not change your team name at Yahoo after tonight. If you don't like your current team name, feel free to change it now, however.
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| 30 | Mike D
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Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 10:40
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Thanks Guru, that's a terrific program.
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| 31 | hoopsklyce
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Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 10:41
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Is Carlos Boozer eligible for an IS slot? He is on the Jazz inactive list for a tweaked hamstring.
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| 32 | Mike D
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Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 10:43
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"An NBA player shall be eligible to fill an IS if he is listed in any “informed” source as being injured more seriously than “day-to-day”."
Isn't he day to day?
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| 33 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 12:10
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We have reached the time at which you may fill you injury slots. I see that Doug and Skinneej were quick on the trigger, adding players at 12:00 and 12:01.
Boozer is technically eligible because RotoWorld has him listed as being out for at least the first three games. RotoWire is not that negative, but we only require one source to certify an injury as more than day-to-day.
Diogu is also eligible for me. I haven't decided who to add, though.
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| 34 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 12:21
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I just realized that with both Boozer and Diogu out, I have no healthy PFs. Not a good way to start the season.
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| 35 | Mike D
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Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 12:40
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Time to trade. ;)
I didn't see the Rotoworld source on Boozer.
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| 36 | Pacers Rule
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Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 12:48
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I'll make you a nice deal on Croshere :-)
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| 37 | hoopsklyce
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Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 13:28
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this is from Rotoworld on Boozer...
Carlos Boozer probably will miss at least the first three games of the regular season with a strained left hamstring.
He'll be on Utah's inactive list, and should be on your fantasy team's bench for the first week of the season. He tweaked the injury (again) in yesterday's practice. Nov. 1 - 9:20 am et
My interpretation of Rotoworld is that he is not more serious than day to day and therefore does not qualify for IS according to our rules above. Although I don't mind if he is on put on IS.
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| 38 | hoopsklyce
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Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 13:32
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another question
If I have a player who has a season ending injury how long do I wait until I can have him put on IS and fill his spot. Do I need to wait for the commish to switch him to IS? Could this period of time vary depending on his schedule for different owners?
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| 39 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 13:46
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hoopsklyce - if a player truly has a season ending injury, you might as well drop him.
But the answer to your question is that you can do it immediately. You do not need to get advance approval. Injury slots are self-administered, and self-determined. And by the way, there is no formal "IS" slot. You simply expand your bench by one player.
I would interpret "day-to-day" as meaning that the player could return "any day now". Being reported as "Out at least first three games" does not meet that definition. I'm open to other interpretations, however.
I'm not planning to split hairs on this. You are each capable of making informed judgments. I'm sure that over the first few weeks we'll encounter some interesting situations, and if so, please air them here, so that we can all develop a common understanding.
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| 40 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 13:47
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RotoWorld injury list
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| 41 | hoopsklyce
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Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 13:52
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OK - did not see that list before
as a test I tried to add Allan Houston (retired) to see if an owner can add any player whenever. I did not see him on my roster so I assume it goes to commish for approval?
Is there a way for an owner to know which of the 4 players on the bench is the IS player?
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| 42 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 14:00
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There is no evidence that you added Houston. I suspect you didn't click your way through the entire process. There are multiple confirmation screens.
There is no Commissioner approval process. If you add Houston correctly, he will appear.
There is no way to identify which bench player(s) are filling an IS. Presumably, it will usually be obvious.
My weekly review will be simple. If a team has more than 3 bench slots, then I need to figure out which bench player (if any) is currently eligible for an IS. If none are, then I'll send out an alert to that manager, asking for either a roster adjustment or an explanation.
Please make sure your email address on file at the Yahoo site is one that you will regularly check.
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| 43 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 14:37
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In addition to RotoWorld (linked above), here are some other alternatives of injury reports which are free. Not all of them have data yet, but I assume all will be active once the season is underway. Some will probably be more out of date than others, but hopefully something current will be available somewhere.
RotoTimes
ESPN
CBS Sportsline
FoxSports
Inside Hoops
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| 44 | hoopsklyce
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Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 14:59
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Guru
Thanks for promptly and thoroughly answering my questions. During the day I am a structural engineer and the highway engineers accuse me of splitting hairs. I am hopeful we avoid any injury related acrimony but - hey - if it is not me involved it would provide for some spicy posts!
HK
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| 45 | Pacers Rule
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Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 15:02
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I can't get to Yahoo from where I am today, but my recollection is that when you add a player, you see it in the transactions on the league page. Also, I think that player is NOT eligible to play for your team until the following day. That's why he would not show up on your team if you click the "my team" link, but are looking at the current day's lineup. If on that screen, you click on the next date, you should see the player you added and if you dropped anyone today, you should also see that player missing from your team on tomorrow's schedule. If I'm right, then, Post #24, though well-intended, would be inaccurate.
-Pacers Rule
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| 46 | Pacers Rule
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Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 15:06
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Also, seems for ease of use, we could put the injured player in the bottom bench slot on your team. I think yahoo fills the bench slots up from top to bottom, so you may have to just rotate your IS player in and back out of your lineup for a given day to make sure he's the bottom player on the bench. Not a biggie, but just might make it easier to see which player(s) to be looking at for injuries since we may or may not know the injury status of all players around the league when we glance at a roster. just an idea. If it's too much of a pain to do those extra couple clicks, no problem.
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| 47 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 15:14
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PR: I think post 24 is accurate. If you drop a player today, you can still have him in your active lineup tonight. So, let's assume that today you want to activate (and start) Allen Houston, and you therefore decide to drop Larry Bird.
Since Yahoo has Houston in a bench slot, you can immediately move him into a starting slot. You can simultaneously drop Bird, but he will still be available for tonight's lineup. He won't be missing until tomorrow.
Changing the subject slightly, I originally thought that the "next day availability" issue was why Hoopsklyce couldn't find Houston. But he wasn't on tomorrow's roster either, and he also didn't appear as a transaction on the front page. So I suurmise that Hoopsklyce simply fell one click shy of completing the transaction. That's happened to me before, especially when adding a player without a simultaneous drop. There always seems to be one more confirmation screen than I expect.
Hoopsklyce: Every time I drive over a bridge, I'm happy to think that some engineer was a hair splitter! Feel free to continue to poke at the process, because I think we can all learn from it.
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| 48 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 15:20
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PR: Your suggestion would be a helpful one, but can be a pain to implement. I just tried it for Diogu, and I had to move several players in and out of starting slots just to get it done. Over time, if you are rotating healthy players in and out of your lineup, the inactive one(s) will naturally drift to the bottom anyway.
So if you can do that, that's great. But it is nothing that I will try to enforce. I'll only have to figure out which 1-of-4 or 2-of-5 are injured, and in most cases, I think that will be obvious.
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| 49 | Pacers Rule
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Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 15:28
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You're right, Guru. I forgot the player you're "picking up" in this scenario is ALREADY on your team in an IS slot. And yes, since today's transactions become effective for tomorrow's games, even if you drop Bird from your starters today, he still can be in your lineup for tonight, assuming you have enough available slots to play them both tonight. (i.e. IF Houston and Bird together make 13 active players for tonight for example, obviously you can't get away with that.)
We could possibly agree as a league that in this type of scenario, on the honor system, each manager would agree to bench the player they are dropping for tonight's games so they can't 'double dip' from that roster spot for tonight only. However, the problem obviously with that is that if anyone forgot, you'd have to go in and manually delete the stats (if that's possible) and it's probably just easier to let 'em play. This should not really have a major effect on games played. Plus, the manager in question was already at a disadvantage in the first place because his better player (his starter/keeper) was injured and he had to pick up a sub from FA land. So one tiny little bonus of one extra game played from his replacement on his way out the door is maybe a small consolation prize for the injury. Plus no games have to be voided out for that reason.
I know this is just rambling about something you've already decided about, Guru, but once in a while I just enjoy a little typing practice. I hope you improved your reading fluency in the last 30 seconds. I'm sure you had nothing better to do with those brain waves. As an added bonus, hoopsklyce, you have the comfort in knowing that others can also find minutia to discuss here, just to give Guru those great opportunities to guide and direct us all, and for Mike D to play some more of that great organ music.
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| 50 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 15:30
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That's enough talk about Mike D's organ...
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| 51 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 41831612
Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 15:31
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My wife's getting jealous....
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| 52 | Pacers Rule
Donor
ID: 910311210
Tue, Nov 01, 2005, 15:31
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Definitely.
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| 53 | Pacers Rule
ID: 46946127
Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 10:47
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Strange that the Yahoo! site has not updated for last night's scores yet.
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| 54 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 14:44
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I just posted the standing page: http://rotoguru1.com/hoop/RIHC.html
You can also get to it by clicking on the league icon on the blurb page.
I have not checked all the numbers, but at least everything seems to be operating. When we get another day of stats, I'll double check the splits for accuracy.
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| 55 | skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 17:06
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Alright, I'm in 3rd. I get to come back next year. Oh, wait that's not the final standings? Looks pretty good though after day 1! :-p
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| 56 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 17:35
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Yeah you, me, and Slack, cuz we've played 22 games more than anybody else. ;)
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| 57 | Pacers Rule
Donor
ID: 910311210
Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 17:41
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Is there also a per game stats/ranking link that I'm missing or is that just an intermittent (or past) feature?
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| 58 | KnicksFan
Donor
ID: 030815418
Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 17:45
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I've got some ground to make up!
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| 59 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Nov 02, 2005, 18:03
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PR: click on the link for split stats by date, and then select "per game averages".
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| 60 | Pacers Rule
ID: 46946127
Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 03:20
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Thanks, found it. Bummer about Nene, Doug.
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| 61 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 14:04
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FWIW, it's pretty easy to screen for injury slot players. If you go to the Roster section of the RIHC page, you can quickly see which teams have more than 3 bench players. Those teams must either have eligible injuries, or they might have a vacant active spot (although that usually doesn't happen).
This roster view is based on the lineups used for the previous night, so it is typically about a day out of phase with current add/drop activity. You can see the latest activity (as of the time the page was generated) by scrolling up a bit.
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| 62 | Doug
Leader
ID: 02730280
Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 15:07
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Yeah, it is a bummer about Nene... but more for his sake (and the Nuggets' sake) than for mine! It's just fantasy hoops for me, for him it's his job and will likely heavily impact his salary as a free agent next year. And I really like the guy too. Major bummer for him. Did you see the play? It didn't even look like he torqued it too badly or anything. Injuries suck. The NBA should ban them.
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| 63 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 41831612
Thu, Nov 03, 2005, 15:22
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C'mon Doug. He's just a piece of meat like all these other dudes on our rosters. ;)
Yeah, the play looked harmless. Really can't believe the amount of damage caused by it.
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| 64 | Doug
Leader
ID: 02730280
Fri, Nov 04, 2005, 02:51
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Guess I'm trying to get all my injuries out of the way early. Got home a few mins ago and read about Shaq. Of course, someone a bit closer to the TV and/or internet already snatched up Zo. That's in no way to be misinterpreted as a knock on Mike, it was a good move, but just one reason that I think I prefer football... you don't tend to have the "first to the computer" scenarios that you do here in basketball. Makes me feel like I need to monitor every game every night in order to stay competitive, and that just isn't going to happen! =-p
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| 65 | lionprideguy
Leader
ID: 906204
Fri, Nov 04, 2005, 03:26
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Yeah, especially this early in the season when things are still so up in the air, I always feel real nervous being away all night and not around to see anything that might happen until late at night. Of course, I know there's probably the other side where we're awake for the late games when east coast people are asleep for the night, or however awkward it turns out for the Euros and their time difference.
On another note, I was at an exhibition game tonight for our women's basketball team, when Sam Cassell and Cuttino Mobley wandered in. Hadn't expected to see them there, but they kind of stood out in a gym with only 200 people in it. There's your answer to what NBA players do on their off nights though - go watch women's basketball!
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| 66 | Slackjawed Yokel
Leader
ID: 052347519
Fri, Nov 04, 2005, 07:47
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speaking of the Euros, I have some questions for you guys. I am leaving Sunday to spend a week in Graz, Austria for a week on business. (this will be my first journey out of the US) I don't suppose either of you live near there? I also have a 5 hour layover the following Sunday in Frankfort.
so, in addition to the typical 'what do I need to make sure that I do while there?' questions, I also need to know if it's typical to have internet access in hotels - I assume I'd have to get some type of adapter for my laptop charger.. I need to know if I need to preset my lineups in hoops and football for a week. I probably also have to give up hope for watching the Colts finally stomp the Patriots on Monday Night (Tuesday Morning...) Football, huh? I don't suppose they have a sportschannel that would replay this Tuesday night - maybe I can download it off the internet.
thanks.
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| 67 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 41831612
Fri, Nov 04, 2005, 08:02
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It's ironic because all of last year I don't think I was ever the first to run to the computer and get someone in this league. I hopped on the web for 20 minutes or so, and actually had just gotten off, and was turning my TV OFF when I saw Shaq get hurt. So I touched the line (on the floor) and ran back to the computer as if I was completing a suicide......but as always.....Zo's for sale. Just another piece of meat.
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| 68 | hoopsklyce
Leader
ID: 59923214
Fri, Nov 04, 2005, 08:10
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Mike - You were quick for Zo - I saw the injury then a few minutes later went to the computer for Zo and he was GONE. I don't like playing against people on the West Coast at times since they see all the late games while I'm sleeping.
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| 69 | hoopsklyce
Leader
ID: 59923214
Fri, Nov 04, 2005, 08:11
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[66] Make sure you know the type of power source they use and get the right adaptor. Also, when I was in Russia my laptop would not switch to AC power when it was fully charged. It was switch back to battery. So I was always needing to plug and unplug the computer.
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| 70 | Swish City
Dude
ID: 0931275
Fri, Nov 04, 2005, 08:15
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I can't speak for your specific locations in Europe (I'm in Scotland), but certainly most places i have been have some kind of internet access. If you don't have it in the hotel (usually it's a connection in the room at a per hour rate), it is very likely ther will be internet cafes relatively near. Edgar might know a bit more, as he quite often is travelling Europe in business. As he's from the Netherlands, he naturally hates going anywhere near the Germans ;)
OT: As for your game, funny you mention that. Over the last few days i have been investigating internet TV and found this thing called PPLive. With it, you can pick up international ESPN over the internet. It's downloadable here, and the ESPN schedule is here...your game appears to be on there. I can email you if you wanna find out more about this. I'm using it to watch Cavs v Spurs tonight - woohoo!
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| 71 | hoopsklyce
Leader
ID: 59923214
Fri, Nov 04, 2005, 09:39
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more on adaptors
I actually bought a whole set of adapters that had the countries labelled on them. In Russia I actually had to stack two adaptors. If you don't bring the right adaptor I assume you can find a place to buy it. I bought a new memory stick when in Russia when mine stopped working (to back up my data)
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| 72 | Slackjawed Yokel
Leader
ID: 052347519
Fri, Nov 04, 2005, 21:21
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Thanks guys for the advice. I'll shop around tomorrow some and see if I can find adapters here before I leave (and keep my fingers crossed regarding access at the hotel I'll be staying at). I might check into the PPLive, Swish, although it appears the game's on at 3am local time. I'm not sure that'll be a good start to my work week...
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| 73 | Pacers Rule
Donor
ID: 910311210
Fri, Nov 04, 2005, 23:47
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The volatility of the early season is amazing. Feeling like "The Jeffersons" tonight. Woo Hoo
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| 74 | Dave R
Dude
ID: 3010361110
Sun, Nov 06, 2005, 00:19
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I picked up a player, according to the Rotoworld link listed above Maggette is "out indefinately ".
First I've seen that. Is he qualified for the IS designation, if not I'll drop a player first thing tomorrow.
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| 75 | Pacers Rule
Donor
ID: 910311210
Sun, Nov 06, 2005, 08:28
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Yao went HUGE last night with 14 boards and 7 blocks. P.J. Brown also off to a good season's start.
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| 76 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Sun, Nov 06, 2005, 09:32
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Um, Yao IS huge. ;)
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| 77 | Swish City
Dude
ID: 0931275
Mon, Nov 07, 2005, 05:22
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Who needs LeBron with the 1st pick when you can get your almost 3Ds from Boris Diaw in the 15th round? ;)
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| 78 | Guru
ID: 341036514
Tue, Nov 08, 2005, 13:03
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Dave R[74] - Maggette is OK for an IS slot, but you still have to move him to your bench.
I didn't state it specifically in the guidelines, since I assumed it was intuitive. But perhaps I should state it specifically:
A player in an IS slot must be on your bench. He cannot be held in an active slot.
"No harm, no foul" in this instance, since he hasn't played yet.
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| 79 | lionprideguy
Leader
ID: 906204
Thu, Nov 10, 2005, 03:30
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Just catching up with the scores from the night - I don't know if it's just me, but I feel like there's been some really ugly games and boxscores so far this season. Anybody else get that feeling, or am I off?
I'm sure I'm a little more biased about it because of the less-than-premier numbers some of my guys have been putting up, but I can't imagine there was much of anything for anybody to celebrate in games like tonight's GS/Chi, NY, or Utah team scores, for examples. Just wondering if it's just me, or maybe if the larger than usual player movement this offseason has some teams a little slow to mesh, keeping FG% down.
Also, watched the Kings/Nuggets game tonight and I have to say that was the least joy I've seen a Kings team play with since before the Mitch Richmond/Webber trade. Really too bad, as they were so fun to watch for these years. I like Adelman as a coach, but the lack of interest the team showed tonight certainly doesn't bode well for him right now.
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| 80 | Pacers Rule
ID: 46946127
Thu, Nov 10, 2005, 20:56
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There sure seems to be a good amount of guys that seemed to be sleeper picks/steals that so far have been total duds and are turning into having a much less than projected role with their teams. I've got Al Jefferson for example. I'm sticking with Jefferson but I see that some of these guys have hit waivers already.
I'm SO glad I stayed away from NY players. I see Brown has got some points to prove there about playing the "right way" and doesn't seem to be too concerned about his players' fantasy lines.
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| 81 | Swish City
Dude
ID: 0931275
Fri, Nov 11, 2005, 09:35
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Hey Mike, are you planning to be even more pesky this year than you were last? I see you're keen to get your Games Played up early this year after the unfortunate injuries and suspensions last time around. Just quit it with your uncatchable Zo boosted block totals, a'ight? ;)
As regards early season form, i seem to remember last year that both FT% especially and FG% were particularly gruesome across the entire league for the first few weeks or so. I guess no matter how much training camp prepares you, it still takes some time for the entire NBA to find it's shooting boots in the opening month.
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| 82 | Pacers Rule @ JSaves
ID: 5710591120
Fri, Nov 11, 2005, 22:53
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Yeah, that Zo pickup was STELLAR for you, Mike D. Congrats on winning the sprint to the computer. I was watching it on tape delay so I didn't find out about it until he was gone.
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| 83 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Sat, Nov 12, 2005, 08:32
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See post 67. I don't usually win those sprints. Those extra 12 oz curls are paying dividends.
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| 84 | Doug
Leader
ID: 02730280
Sat, Nov 12, 2005, 16:36
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Cheezy Poofs come in 12 oz bags!?!?
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| 85 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Sat, Nov 12, 2005, 17:30
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Only in PA. ;)
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| 86 | Doug
Leader
ID: 02730280
Sun, Nov 13, 2005, 04:07
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Hmm... not to sound like the whiner, but after I draft Livingston, he goes from "back by the season opener" to "out indefinitely". Then Shaq goes down in the second game of the season. Lewis injured the other night after 2 minutes (though he did come back to play on Friday). Damon Stoudamire injured after 19 minutes the other night and held out of tonight's game. And tonight my first rounder Kiri gets injured after 10 minutes of court time.
Not complaining... injuries happen, and in Shaq's case you have to expect them from time to time (but the 2nd game of the season!?!?)... just observing that my season seems to be off to an unusually ominous start. Oh tempermental god(s) of fantasy basketball, why hast thou forsaken me? *sigh* Perhaps I should head to my local Church of BronBron tomorrow morning... I hope it's as much fun as it looks in the commercials. =-p
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| 87 | Doug
Leader
ID: 02730280
Sun, Nov 13, 2005, 11:27
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Oh yeah, and Nene too.
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| 88 | lionprideguy
Leader
ID: 906204
Mon, Nov 14, 2005, 03:47
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Yeah, I'll have to agree you've had a pretty bad run of it so far, Doug. At least Rashard bounced back to play a good game today.
Even more than the standings volatility, I love seeing the early season player rankings this time of year. Camby's been dominant so I can't really argue with his #1 ranking so far, although I've no idea why Jason Kidd is listed #3 with his mediocre assists, scoring, and FG%.
And Kobe Bryant listed down at #53 - hey Tosh, I've got Tayshaun Prince who is listed above Kobe at #52 ... maybe if you throw in a bench player you might be able to talk me into swapping them! :)
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| 89 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Nov 14, 2005, 11:10
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Using the ESPN player rater (which I think is much more credible), here are the current top ten based on per-game averages:
1 Camby
2 Garnett
3 Duncan
4 Pierce
5 Marion
6 Arenas
7 Wade
8 Nash
9 LeBron
10 Nowitzki
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| 90 | hoopsklyce
Leader
ID: 59923214
Mon, Nov 14, 2005, 17:24
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Mike
what part of PA are you in? I know I probably asked you this last year
david
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| 91 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Mon, Nov 14, 2005, 19:28
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The capital city of Harrisburg bro, and you did ask me last year. ;)
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| 92 | hoopsklyce
Leader
ID: 59923214
Tue, Nov 15, 2005, 09:37
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well lets get together some time
I am in the area at my inlaws over thanksgiving
what are you up to on the friday after? my wife will probably go shopping - something I dont want to do
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| 93 | hoopsklyce
Leader
ID: 59923214
Tue, Nov 15, 2005, 09:39
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it is apparent my team is weak in FT%
will be looking at others rosters for some mutually beneficial trade opportunities
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| 94 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Tue, Nov 15, 2005, 17:55
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That sounds great, IF I'm here. At this point it looks like I'll be at a hoops tourney for my daughter. Will know in a couple days. Always something.
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| 95 | Pacers Rule
Donor
ID: 910311210
Tue, Nov 15, 2005, 21:15
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Mike D- you planning on slowing down anytime soon? You're off to a jackrabbit start not only in total stats but also on a per game basis. Kudos. And able to do it while picking up extra games played. Amazing.
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| 96 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Tue, Nov 15, 2005, 21:41
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It just goes to show what team unity can do for a fantasy team.
;)
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| 97 | Pacers Rule
Donor
ID: 910311210
Wed, Nov 16, 2005, 12:31
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Austin, thanks for the memories. Enjoy your stay on the bench at 8 mil a year.
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| 98 | lionprideguy
Leader
ID: 906204
Thu, Nov 17, 2005, 03:45
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Hey everybody - just a heads up, I'm going to be traveling the next few days to Arizona and so am kind of unknown on internet access again. I might be able to check in here and there, but can't know until I get there, and the work hours will keep me away from a computer most of the time anyway. Good luck to everybody through the weekend.
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| 99 | Swish City
Dude
ID: 0931275
Thu, Nov 17, 2005, 05:13
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Could someone please do me a favour and let the Euros' team know that they are in fact NBA calibre players, and it is not necessary to shoot like they are still playing their first game for their High School team? I mean come on - 42.7% overall? Surely it must be a new record to have 7 (yes, that's seven) players on your team shooting under 40%. Ridiculous.
And Mike, at least give us all a chance, dude. Geez. ;)
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| 100 | hoopsklyce
ID: 4210171815
Fri, Nov 18, 2005, 16:17
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is there a way for me to associate the team with a person. I can tell that MIke is in first place from the comments but not sure how I would have been able to know otherwise
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| 101 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Fri, Nov 18, 2005, 16:42
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On Guru's RIHC site, if you scroll down to the Current Rosters, Guru inserted manager names where necessary.
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| 102 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Fri, Nov 18, 2005, 21:24
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lionprideguy - Kobe is now ranked #47, while Prince has dropped to #80. I'm glad I didn't accept that offer when you made it!
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| 103 | Pacers Rule
Donor
ID: 910311210
Wed, Nov 23, 2005, 23:30
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Mike D, your roster is hitting on all cylinders, top to bottom. Some amazing foresight you had in your draft, not to mention a couple timely FA pickups.
I guess this is why there is so little trade activity in the league to this point. Mike D may actually be content with his team!
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| 104 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Wed, Nov 23, 2005, 23:37
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Lol----still early. Real early. And I certainly have made some offers......just not quite as many. Always looking for a good deal. ;)
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| 105 | Doug
Leader
ID: 02730280
Fri, Nov 25, 2005, 12:39
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Early season commentary: Wow, I was nearing the panic point only 1-2 weeks into the season... Nene, Shaq, Kiri... I was sitting in 9th with 42 points. Almost made some dumb offers. But things have turned around. One week later (Nov 16th) I was up to 6th with 49.5 and now through yesterday's games I'm tied for 4th with 61.5... thank goodness for early season volatility! (At least when it seems to be favoring you!)
I certainly don't have any delusions of my teams recent level of performance maintaining, but as long as I can weather this storm of early season injuries, then I really like my chances long-term, assuming both Shaq and Kiri get healthy in the next few weeks and live up to their typical form! My blocks are suffering as of late...
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| 106 | hoopsklyce
Leader
ID: 59923214
Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 08:11
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I cannot get into the league page - getting a message that says I am not a member even though I am logged in
David
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| 107 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 08:19
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Seems to be a general problem at Yahoo. All of my teams are missing as well.
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| 108 | Dave R
Dude
ID: 3010361110
Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 08:27
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No doubt a fantasy time warp this morning. TSN hasn't updated either.
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| 109 | Pacers Rule
Donor
ID: 910311210
Wed, Nov 30, 2005, 17:38
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The problem continues. I hope your lineups were set for tonight!
Looks like I cut Croshere loose a little too soon. Carlisle has been staying with him, despite the return of his 2 true Centers (Pollard & Harrison). His play has earned him the minutes, and Jermaine @ center is a tough matchup for most centers, who aren't as quick. And if the PF's sag off of Croshere, he can burn them from downtown. He's also been quite active on the boards as of late. It's about time he start earning that 8 mil a year!
A side note: looks like Jonathon Bender's career may be done. They're looking at MRI results and may have an announcement within a week. There was a story in the Indianapolis Star today.
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| 110 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Dec 05, 2005, 12:50
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Tinsley (groin) could be out for several more games, the Indianapolis Star reports.
Miles underwent an MRI on his knee Sunday that revealed "something" that could keep him out of action "for a while or indefinitely," according to Blazers coach Nate McMillan, The Orgeonian reports.
Guru - Do both these guys qualify for injury replacement?
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| 111 | Guru
ID: 2811847
Mon, Dec 05, 2005, 13:17
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Miles certainly does.
Tinsley is a borderline case. I checked several sites, and they all either say "day-to-day" or the equivalent, and some don't list him at all. I guess I'd be hard pressed to say that "could be out for several more games" is sufficiently definitive to exceed our "day-to-day" standard.
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| 112 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Dec 05, 2005, 13:24
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Thank you. Never hurts to check!
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| 113 | Pacers Rule
Donor
ID: 910311210
Mon, Dec 05, 2005, 15:47
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Good sportsmanship Tosh to check in before you move them over. I hope Tinsley does not have another perpetual/frequent day to day year like last year. He missed a ton of games and his return always appeared to be imminent.
Jasikevicius is playing well as the starter (shooting lights out) so I don't look for the Pacers to rush Jamaal back. Since everybody knows how injuries have a tendency to drag on with Tinsley, and they ultimately are going to need to have him fresh come playoff time, I look for them to take their time with his injury recovery through the regular season this year. FWIW.
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| 114 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Mon, Dec 05, 2005, 15:57
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I guess it's a good thing I picked up Jasikevicius off of waivers when I did!
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| 115 | Swish City
Dude
ID: 0931275
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 10:06
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And to think the amount of flak we received because of our prediction of Diaw's greatness! I guess some things you just never can predict...
Not sure what can be said about our team. The best performances have come from unexpected sources thus far (RJ, Diaw, Zaza), whereas our stalwarts have been little better than average. I am encouraged that our FG% is finally approaching normality (although maybe that's because Baron's sched has cooled down), but it's a loooong way to get even halfway up that ladder at the moment. When is Amare back? ;)
There are a lot of teams gaining momentum. It seems like this might be the closest RIHC yet. Guru, i'm curious to see that you seem to have a Yao/lack of blocks issue again. Some things never change, right? :)
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| 116 | Guru
ID: 2811847
Tue, Dec 06, 2005, 11:05
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Yeah, although at least I'm not dead last in blocks - yet. Last year, I was completely out of the running.
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| 117 | Pacers Rule
Donor
ID: 910311210
Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 22:08
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Go Vince Go!
Mike D, might you be mere mortal after all?
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| 118 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Fri, Dec 09, 2005, 23:59
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I'm not, but my players are. Lol
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| 119 | Pacers Rule
Donor
ID: 910311210
Sat, Dec 10, 2005, 11:46
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Ok, Mr. trade guru. See if you can figure something out wherein you pick up some steals (from SkineeJ) and give some boards (to me), and I give some 3's to SkineeJ in exchange for his steals. Not sure if we have players that fit the bill and of equal value, but it would balance out all three of our squ |