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Subject: OT - Memento
Posted by: WiddleAvi
- [54640816] Tue, Jul 24, 23:28
Has anyone seen this movie ?? I just got back from seeing it and it was one of the most amazing movies I have seen in a long time. I walked out of the theatre shaking my head. This movie will play with your head. Anyway if other people saw it I wonder what they thought of it. I read some reviews that viewers wrote over at moviefone (Other reviews) But no one there really discusses the movie so I was hoping people might have seen it and give their opinion. Sorry for rambling |
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76 | Tertius01
ID: 111049811 Thu, Nov 08, 2001, 11:49
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I think an important thing to remember throughout the film is that through repetition Leonard can still build habit/instinct/"new memories." This helps to resolve many of the seeming plot inconsistancies as Leonard strives toward closure by deluding himself.
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77 | Wammie
ID: 32104029 Thu, Nov 08, 2001, 14:02
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He talks about the fact that he can learn through conditioning, like when he says, 'nothing in the drawers, but i will check anyway'
The first time I saw the movie, i was confused. I bought the DVD and have watched it a few times. i think i have it figured out, except the last grey flash back of the whole movie. when is on his way to the tatoo parlor
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78 | coldwater coyotes Leader
ID: 5965479 Fri, Nov 09, 2001, 12:25
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Donkey Hunter: we released Donnie Darko in a few major cities two weeks ago, unfortunately it did not perform very well and we will not be expanding to other cities. Where do you live?
Critical review was mixed which did not help. This week's edition of Entertainment Weekly has two very good articles about the film....unfortunately too late.
I was hoping that it would be an attractive alternative halloween themed film to the rather mindless 13 Ghosts and Bones. We only spent about $1 million on advertising rather than the $10 million plus for 13 Ghosts and as a result of this larger investment and with our mixed reviews, 13 Ghosts took most of the halloween business.
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79 | Perm Dude Leader
ID: 12943113 Fri, Nov 09, 2001, 12:53
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Too bad, cc. I guess we'll have to look for it in DVD/video, or are you guys going to try to re-package it theatrically?
pd
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80 | walk Sustainer
ID: 592181610 Fri, Nov 09, 2001, 14:13
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This thread has had the longest half-life of most any thread ever on these boards. Great memento to your movie, cc.
cc: Yeah, too bad, about donnie darko. I will see this movie for sure when it comes out on DVD (tough to see flicks with small kids and the wifey would not opt for that one when we do land the sitter; my kinda flick though). Paper Magazine, a NYC trendy rag, really loved it, well in advance, IIRC.
Blooki: Yep. I stopped my DVD on that shot of Sammi/Leonard in the sanitarium, and it was Leonard's face that flashes. WiddleAvi has that one covered.
PD: How ya doin'!
- walk
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81 | Donkey Hunter
ID: 91024104 Sat, Nov 10, 2001, 04:41
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I go to school in Gainesville, Florida so I was hoping that it would get to Orlando sometime. I stumbled over to donniedarko.com the other day as I wrote you and the website was pretty scary in itself but had me wanting to see the movie more to find out what it was all about.
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82 | KevinL Donor
ID: 48721523 Sat, Jan 05, 2002, 12:41
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Memento nominated for Best Picture at the AFI Awards Show tonight.
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83 | coldwater coyotes Leader
ID: 571127417 Sat, Jan 05, 2002, 15:36
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Tough competition for best pic....we have a better shot for best screenplay.
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84 | Makisupa Donor
ID: 401144218 Sat, Jan 05, 2002, 21:46
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WTG!!!! They just won for best screenplay!!!!!
Congratulations!!
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85 | YR
ID: 4813222 Sun, Jan 06, 2002, 11:16
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Here is my opinion on the matter:
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86 | rockafellerskank Donor
ID: 359283123 Mon, Jan 07, 2002, 15:05
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Congrats C.C. & crew.
This is the only movie that I have ever watched at a theatre and walked out at the end, walked to the box office and paid again to watch the next showing.
Nice Job. This will be come a cult classic IMO.
rfs
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87 | OSU Rules Leader
ID: 15372315 Tue, Jan 15, 2002, 16:49
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I have to add my $0.02. We watched this movie on DVD last night (and I re-watched the ending this morning). It is a great movie, one of the most fascinating movies I have seen. After seeing this thread during the BB season I had been looking forward to see it and I am glad that I did.
There are a lot of great visual clues in this movie and I actually spent some time watching with the sound turned off and that was a great way to catch some of the things I missed the first time.
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88 | Makisupa Donor
ID: 401144218 Tue, Feb 12, 2002, 08:41
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Congrats on the Oscar nomination for original screenplay!! Good luck in March!!
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89 | KevinL Donor
ID: 10417811 Tue, Feb 12, 2002, 11:12
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And also an Oscar nomination for best editing.
Oscar Nominations
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90 | walk Leader
ID: 14154112 Fri, Feb 15, 2002, 09:39
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Ditto from me, CC & co. It must feel great knowing that a product you helped make is so widely liked (by folks like us) AND critically acclaimed. Wonderful news for you and Nolan.
BTW, this flick is in my DVD collection, and I rarely buy them...this movie will last a long time because the more you watch it, the more you learn and go "aha!"
- walk
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91 | coldwater coyotes Leader
ID: 330491818 Fri, Feb 15, 2002, 15:34
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Thanks........my daughter is already insisting that she should have my ticket
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92 | WiddleAvi
ID: 412522123 Sun, Mar 24, 2002, 02:25
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Congrats again to you guys.....Won best Screen play, Best Director and best Picture in the Independant Film Awards or one of those shows.
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93 | coldwater coyotes Leader
ID: 47035511 Sun, Mar 24, 2002, 15:24
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Thanks....we are up for 2 awards tonite
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94 | Sludge Sustainer
ID: 24914721 Sun, Mar 24, 2002, 21:23
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Darn. 0-1 for Memento so far. Here's hoping for a 500 batting average.
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95 | tommyd
ID: 141052279 Sun, Mar 24, 2002, 23:38
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Still my favorite movie in a long time. And how does Guy Pearce not get nominated for an Oscar? Great movie cc!!!
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96 | Makisupa Donor
ID: 401144218 Mon, Mar 25, 2002, 05:49
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Grrrr....robbed!!
If Opie Taylor hadn't won for Director when Altman should have finally been paid the respect he deserves, they wouldn't have been thrown a bone for original screenplay. Gosford was a quality production, but the script pales in comparision to the originality of Memento.
At least that poem reading Aussie boy didn't win for Best Actor. Someday he'll be alienated enough that the only production he'll get work in is a Roman Polanski picture opposite R. Kelly!!
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97 | chode
ID: 1810431921 Tue, Mar 26, 2002, 00:47
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I rented Donnie Darko tonight, and liked it a lot. Definitely original and macabre, as advertised.
I especially liked the inclusion of Joy Division's "Love Will Tear Us Apart" on the soundtrack.
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98 | walk Leader
ID: 262581610 Tue, Mar 26, 2002, 22:31
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Aaaaaah, Chose. One of my favorite bands, Joy Division. The New Order is nice throwback to JD, if you don't already have.
Sorry you guys did not land an Oscar, cc, but Memento was surely recognized in other ways.
- walk
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99 | WiddleAvi
ID: 172372714 Sun, Apr 07, 2002, 20:00
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I just watched Following and liked it alot. I also watched Donnie Darko but did not really like it. Would highly recomend Following.
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100 | ksoze Sustainer
ID: 50643419 Fri, Apr 12, 2002, 09:38
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Uh oh, do I even want to know what this is about?
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101 | darkside Leader
ID: 516203012 Fri, Apr 12, 2002, 10:18
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Whatever it is, it piqued my interest. I've only seen Memento twice....need to see it again. May wait to buy this DVD.
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102 | ScHRiLL
ID: 47453319 Fri, May 03, 2002, 21:12
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After waiting long time I finally watched memento. I come from Macedonia so the movie distributors have limited cash and they rent movies that will sell better and miss memento. When they sow afterwards how popular this film is among the cinema audience they decided to brig it to cinema here. I read about the film a long before I watched it and didn't want to spoil the thrill on some pirate tape taken from a cinema. I waited and it was worth it. My comment : A great film, may be the best I've seen (and I've seen a lot) , bringing a lot of new film-editing technics rarely seen on the big screen, story that is very intrigue, and doesn't let you be bored from watching it because of his inverse showing). You simply don't know what will happen next or should I say what had happen first. I like to watch Donnie darko it theater but as you say I’ll probably be seeing it on dvd. I’ve read a lot of reviews about memento, watched it a couple of times on dvd afterwards as well reading this entire discussion and I like to chat about some things that bothered me. You really pointed some alternatives that I didn't thought about. But still there are things. 1.I think that I have read some where that the tattoo on his hand “remember...” is actually pointed at him but in an inverse way. As Teddy says in one final scene “You really do remember thing that you like to remember” . He could be Sammy. 2. But his wife couldn't be a diabetic because he claims he remembers every thing before the incident and thing like that you don't forget especially if someone like that is your wife/husband etc.. The trick part here is here is the flashes that he gets seeing himself giving an insulin shot to his wife or pinching her. 3. I read upper that he couldn't remember about his wife unless he looked at the tattoos no I think he remembers his wife but isn't sure about her death (as we can see in a scene he is trying to reconstruct the incident “part with the hooker” thus remembering what really happened after he got banged in the wall) and needs to be reminded (the tattoos) about it. The tricky part here is seen his wife alive in flash memories. Overall I think he was in a mental institution he isn't Sammy he didn't kill his wife by overdosing her but in way consider himself responsible for her death and yes this is a game for him. Sorry guys its late and I confused my self even more now .I need time to settle my thoughts . If you like to discuss I be more than happy to do so. Good luck on you new projects guys.
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103 | rockafellerskank Sustainer
ID: 24215319 Sat, May 18, 2002, 10:00
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coldwater coyotes:
I see the Memento DVD Limited Edition 2-Disc Set is due out 5/21/02. I've been meaning to buy a copy. Can you outline what additional features the new version contains? I couldn't tell from the desciptions I could find what special features are included above and beyond the standard disc available now.
Thanks (great movie)
rfs ®
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104 | Ref
ID: 121135289 Sat, May 18, 2002, 11:40
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I've had the dvd ever since it came out. had to watch it twice to get everything. Have seen it several times now. Very good.
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105 | Slackjawed Yokel Sustainer
ID: 668290 Sun, May 19, 2002, 01:49
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here's a link to a good review of the new disc.
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106 | coldwater coyotes Leader
ID: 12412198 Sun, May 19, 2002, 08:20
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When we originally released the DVD Chris Nolan couldn't provide us with Director's comments...he was busy on "Insomnia". So this new DVD was planned to come out this year with Nolan's comments. I am sorry that we are going to be charging you "twice" if you want to buy this newer version as well. If the demand is not too high I will send the newer DVD to those who have the first DVD...honor system.....email me.
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107 | walk Leader
ID: 262581610 Sun, May 19, 2002, 09:07
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Thx, cc. I just sent you an email. If it's doable, that's a might generous offer you have made. And I most certainly do own the original DVD,
cheers, - walk
P.S. Looking forward to Insomnia mucho.
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108 | ksoze Sustainer
ID: 50643419 Sun, May 19, 2002, 10:24
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CC, Thank you for the generous offer, I'd love a copy of the new DVD to go with the original if you're able to do so. Email sent... Mahalo, ksoze
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109 | rockafellerskank Sustainer
ID: 24215319 Fri, Jun 14, 2002, 19:01
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Will,
Arrived today. Just wanted to give you a public acknowledgement and thank you for you generous offer.
Best success in the future,
rfs ®
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110 | DMAN
ID: 4310482122 Mon, Jul 01, 2002, 00:55
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For those of you with the Limited Edition, there's an 'easter egg' that allows you to watch it in chronological order, here's the link to the instructions.
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111 | Ref
ID: 28045169 Wed, Jul 03, 2002, 17:33
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Has anyone seen Insomnia yet? Thinking about seeing it tonight. I've watched Memento probably 10 times. One of the rare DVDs I actually get my money's worth.
What is weird is that sometimes he forgets after a few seconds and other times it's many many minutes.
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112 | WiddleAvi
ID: 19611319 Wed, Jul 03, 2002, 19:11
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Insomnia was a letdown in my opinion. It was an o.k. movie but I would not see it again.
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113 | ksoze Sustainer
ID: 50643419 Wed, Jul 03, 2002, 23:21
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Ref, Insomnia was decent but a bit of a letdown with regard to suspense... there wasn't a whole lot. Try Donnie Darko if you haven't already. It's a great, well written, well produced confusing flick. Donniedarko.com is a must surf for those who've seen the movie. And there are a lot of deleted scenes on the DVD that, for the sake of the story, really shouldn't have been cut.
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114 | WiddleAvi
ID: 19611319 Thu, Jul 04, 2002, 06:34
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I think I mentioned this before but Following, also directed by Nolan, was a great movie. Out on video now.
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115 | KrazyKoalaBears Donor
ID: 266182910 Sat, Jul 27, 2002, 22:53
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WOW! Unbelievable! I just saw this movie on Starz tonight and was blown away. Just read through this post -- which I forced myself not to do until I saw the much talked about movie -- and am still amazed by the movie. So here's a couple of thoughts (highlight as before): 1. The gun Leonard had at the attack and the gun that Dodd had were the same gun. This lends you to believe that Dodd is the 2nd guy. 2. I think Leonard is Sammy Jankins and Leonard killed his wife through an insulin overdose, who survived the attack. The tatoo "Remember Sammy Jankins" is Leonard's way of putting the thought of killing his wife into another story that happend before the incident. Remember that the story of Sammy Jankins is that the condition is mental, not physical. This means that he CAN have memories. I think if he mentally chooses to remember something as happening before the incident, then he will and he'll remember it. The tatoo also reminds Leonard that being careless about his memory could lead to bad things. 3. Natalie was not surprised that it was NOT Jimmy in the Jag when Leonard pulled up to the bar also decked out in Jimmy's clothes. She refers to him as "The Memory Man" in the bar. This lends itself to mean that Natalie knew Jimmy was going to be killed, specifically by Leonard. So does this mean that Teddy set this up somehow and used Leonard as a pawn in his plan to get rid of the drug dealer and take the $200k? I think so. After the killing, Teddy is constantly around Leonard, specifically around the car -- and the money. 4. Because Teddy used Leonard to kill Jimmy, Natalie decided to use Leonard to kill Teddy as revenge. She knew about the tatoo's and knew all the details of Teddy and knew they matched up. Now there's a part in here where Leonard is being played, but he's also already chosen this path when he writes down Fact 6 after killing Jimmy. I think Natalie is just pushing Leonard along. She may actually be a pawn from Dodd who has put her into all this to keep Leonard away from him and pointed towards Teddy. 5. I think Leonard remembers the basement the way he remembers Sammy Jankins. Same type of situation. Something he wants to forget, yet can't completely forget. He tries to burn the picture, but he doesn't fully burn in and actually keeps it. 6. In the end, I'm not sure I know what I'm talking about because my mind is still spinning from this movie. All in all, I think Teddy played Leonard to kill Jimmy and it got turned back on him through Natalie, and Dodd, when the whole time he should have been tracking down Dodd. Or something. ;)
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116 | rockafellerskank Sustainer
ID: 456181014 Mon, Jul 29, 2002, 08:57
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Since KKB, brought up Dodd---
What bothers me more than any thing is, why would Dodd (a hired killer?) just leave town after getting roughed up? Why would he not re-group and come back after the $200K/Sammy/drugs/revenge? Surely a tough guy ike that isn't going back to his employer and say "memory man hit me in the nose so I gave up."
Perhaps KKB's assumpion about Dodd is right in #1?
KKB, I believe that gun #1 was a revolver and Dodd's gun was a 9MM type (not sure what you call that type, Glock? ) No?
rfs ®
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117 | KrazyKoalaBears Donor
ID: 266182910 Mon, Jul 29, 2002, 09:17
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rfs, highlight as before... From what I can remember -- I missed watching it again last night -- both guns were a 9mm type. The revolver you're thinking about is the one that Leonard used to kill Jimmy, Natalie's boyfriend. He killed Jimmy, had the argument with Teddy, then emptied the revolver in the truck and drove away in the Jag. These are the shells in the truck that he handles when he comes back to kill Teddy. IIRC, both times Leonard handled the 9mm type silver gun, he loaded it in the handle the same way, suggesting a familiarity with it. Plus, when he found the gun in the hotel room, he wasn't surprised and wondering why it was there. He was just kind of ok with it, again suggesting familiarity with it. The point you bring up about Dodd just leaving town leads me to believe that he was setting up the plan to get Leonard to believe that Teddy was THE John G. In other words, if he hangs around too much, Leonard will think about him and wonder who he is. He knows that if he just leaves, then Leonard will completely forget about him because of the lack of memory and because Natalie will be pushing Leonard towards Teddy. Still need to see this again to even begin to understand it. ;)
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118 | Baldwin
ID: 6920139 Mon, Oct 13, 2003, 19:21
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Consider me your biggest Donnie Darko fan. I believe everyone involved with that fiolm will look back on it as their most important film. Great casting. Great use of sound and music.
I liked this review. I'm still chewing on the meaning of Frank.
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119 | Myboyjack Leader
ID: 21556266 Mon, Oct 13, 2003, 20:12
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Baldwin, according to the director's commentary on the DVD, Frank was simply the medium chosen by God or the aliens or whoever it was that wanted to get the message to Donnie so that he could right whatever it was that went wrong in time. "Frank" was a vehicle I'd say comparable to the burning bush or the talking ass.
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120 | Baldwin
ID: 6920139 Mon, Oct 13, 2003, 20:31
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My problem with just leaving it at that is that there were numerous further clues as to his identity. Frank's father's name is also Frank. I believe Donnie's father refer's to another Frank who died around the time of his prom who I am guessing was Sparrow's date and mate in their tangent universe. Donnie's father points out that Donnie [in the universe where Donnie survives] could have turned out just like his Frank who died around the time of Sparrow's prom. Frank remembers echoes of incidents in the tangent universe as he feels his eye afterward. Frank is Donnie's sister's date.
With all that material it's hard to ignore it all and just relegate him to faceless, storyless burning bush status.
It even occurred to me that one true receiver might hand off to or benefit another true receiver. "I'll pay the price this time and you redeem me next time."
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121 | Myboyjack Leader
ID: 21556266 Mon, Oct 13, 2003, 20:34
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Yes there are those references and lots more; lots of references to bunnies and bunny suits. Just subliminal preparation, I think.
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122 | coldwater coyotes SuperDude
ID: 33742418 Tue, Oct 14x, 2003, 00:54
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We are presently considering re-releasing Donnie Darko next March/April. It will be the Director's cut plus additional music. Scenes to be put back in the Director's Cut include: We find out that Donnie is taking placebo drugs...further evidence that Donnie is not a crazy schizo but is being guided by an external force. Additional scenes between Donnie and his Dad. The visit of Gretchen and Donnie to Grandma Sparrow. This scene explains why they did not visit her in the present version of the film to try and get additional info.
I haven't followed all the comments above. I assume that people have picked up that Frank is Donnie's sister's boyfriend.
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123 | Landon
ID: 170523113 Sat, Jan 31, 2004, 14:52
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WTF IS IT PEOPLE? I hear sammy 'jankis' 'jenkins' 'jenkis' be consistent already.
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124 | rockafellerskank Leader
ID: 27652109 Sun, Feb 01, 2004, 17:09
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Sammy Jankis. Which would have been very easy to find by clicking on the link in the opening post.
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125 | DMAN
ID: 333161412 Wed, Apr 21, 2004, 12:51
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Darko is being re-released w/ an additional 20 minutes of footage, as well as new music and visual effects. link
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