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Subject: Anti-Muslim Sentiment.
Posted by: The_Beast
- [197252915] Fri, Sep 14, 21:41
Many feel it. Why? I have a close muslim friend who is more american than pakinstani. By the way not all muslims are from afghanistan as the recent belief has been. On with the point, I sat in a classes today and in Speech class heard these comments coming from kids ranked in 500+ in a class of 600: "Bomb all their A@!es because they did it to us!" I also heard these comments from a kid ranked in the top 10 of our class: "G@@ D@@@ Muslums!" and "They all F@!#in deserve to die!" Please research these topics before stating the most ignorant, uneducated, and unconstitutional comments to others. |
| 1 | Lutefisker
ID: 3182118
Sat, Sep 15, 08:30
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I think that what is needed right now from the Muslim world is a strong anti-terrorist stance, not just with words but also with action.
I believe that most of the rest of the world wants to give Muslims a chance just like they want to give everyone else a chance. But because of the terrorist history of some of the Muslim nations and sects it becomes rather hard to do unless the Muslims make a very strong point that they are NOT in favor of such activity and are willing to do something about it.
Muslims turning over Bin Ladin and his followers to authorities would be a wonderful beginning, as an example.
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| 2 | katietx
ID: 17821423
Sat, Sep 15, 10:08
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Action and not rhetoric will prove the point.
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| 3 | Catfish
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ID: 20557322
Sat, Sep 15, 10:19
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I agree, The_Beast, and your sensible words may help some broaden their understanding and perhaps avoid kneejerk attacks on the wrong people.
Timothy McVeigh was white and born in the US. We don't use the horror of his actions as an excuse to go out and trash anyone we encounter who is also white and born in the US, however much he repelled us.
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| 4 | Razor
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Sat, Sep 15, 11:46
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300 marchers were turned away headed to a mosque today by the police. Another mosque has been firebombed. God knows how many innocent muslims have been assaulted in the last few days. I heard about an assualt at that trade school on 10th street otherwise known as Georgia Tech. Educated people doing this. That crap is as sickening to me as the terrorist attacks.
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| 5 | Perm Dude
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Sat, Sep 15, 12:14
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Tools. They are doing the work the terrorists started.
America is great because we celebrate our diversity. When we fight amongst ourselves we're certainly no better than they are.
I'm certain the moderate Muslim countries will do what they can to help us. But it's not a matter of them "turning him over" since he's got more money & troops than his host country. But their efforts are going to be the key. Early indications from the Taliban and Pakistani governments are extremely encouraging.
pd
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| 6 | The_Beast
ID: 197252915
Sat, Sep 15, 15:59
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Exactly PD. The terroists are using us as tools. First hit were the easily convinced and then the belief spreads through the rest of civilization. Mob mentality has cost us again. Get the mass population believing a lie and it starts to get passed around. Astonishing how unintelligent some people can be.
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| 7 | Lutefisker
ID: 3182118
Sat, Sep 15, 17:00
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Exactly what lie is the population as a whole believing?
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| 8 | Perm Dude
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Sat, Sep 15, 17:05
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The "lie" is that all Muslims are at fault. It is also that people who are different need to be singled out from the rest of "us."
Americans of Muslim faith also lost their lives in the bombing, including Muslim firemen and police. The time for Americans finger-pointing at each other is over.
pd
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| 9 | Lutefisker
ID: 3182118
Sat, Sep 15, 17:23
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Just like we should not generalize about the Muslims, we should also not generalize about the population as a whole. I think most Americans want to believe that the Muslim community is against this type of violence, too.
People who do violence to Muslims are terrorists just like Muslims who do violence to others are terrorists. Both need to be dealt with and I believe that the majority of Americans feel exactly the same way.
As far as nations are concerned, I am sure that America will arrest those who do violence to those of us who are Muslim. I wish that I could be so positive about how the Muslim countries would act when it is the Muslims doing violence against others.
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| 10 | Valkyrie
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Sat, Sep 15, 18:19
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While I deplore the violence against innocent Moslems this type of result is hardly unexpected when we permit/encourage the nation's emotions to be raised to fevor pitch for 5 days with no designated "enemy" in sight. On a more positive note Youth Soccar and high school football continued today as well as the LA County Fair providing some emotional respite for those of us far away from the act itself. I believe(hope) that these types of senseless anti-Muslem acts will wane a bit next week as reason starts to compete with emotions. In today's times of 24 hr news coverage and virtually live reporting of the terrorist acts themselves we must be much more careful when tampering with the nation's emotions. We are at war but what is needed now is for patience, resolve, and reason to supplant sheer rage and even the continuous mourning of our losses. Although we will never return to our previous state of naivity any semblance of normalcy will be productive in the long run.
I will neither be cowered by nor forget these terrorist attacks and I pledge that I will not rest easy until all terrorists, collaborators, hosts, concealors or aiders and abetters (and their families) are neutered. I shall attempt to remain patient until such time as all guilty parties are identified and proven to be responsible. I further pledge that i will provide any and every support that I am able to help to achieve these goals. In the meantime I will make every effort to return my life to a semblance of normalcy. (although I live in LA- I did have family members in the south tower at the time of the attack so I am not exactly 3,000 miles removed from its effects).
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| 11 | Cleveland Fan
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Sat, Sep 15, 20:25
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It seems to be that the sentiment is more anti-Arab than it is anti-Muslim. Not all Arab's are even Muslim. My grandparents (from Lebanon) were Catholic. My parents used to take me to a church where the sermon was in Arabic so we never understood one word that was being said.
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| 12 | Catfish
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ID: 20557322
Sun, Sep 16, 10:59
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As Cleveland Fan said, not all Arabs are Muslims. It's also true that not all Muslims are Arab. The country with the largest number of Muslims isn't even in the Middle East, it is in Asia -- I'm talking about Indonesia.
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| 13 | Baldwin
ID: 4261155
Sun, Sep 16, 17:28
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Here here Perm Dude
I look at Arafat donating blood to the victims, a prominent Iranian cleric uttering the right words about being appalled at the innocents slaughtered and I hear the Taliban claiming Bin Laden was not sophisticated enuff to pull this off and I'm like the 'smoking man' hired to host the 'Skeptics' show on the SciFi channel...'and I...I am skeptical'
I really wonder what percentage of the muslim world felt like the palestinian I heard who said it was the happiest moment of his life when he heard the news tho he then worried a bit about the innocent people. I would like to believe seventy percent or so were appalled by this act but I am ...well I'm skeptical.
Still I'm willing to give the average muslim the benefit of the doubt and it hasn't even crossed my mind to find targets of hatred here in the USA other than to hope that in the future palestinians really get looked at carefully before boarding aircraft.
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| 14 | Lockhart
ID: 564212815
Sun, Sep 16, 17:43
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I agree Perm dude. I place some blame on the MEDIA for not covering our Islamic communities and showing how they are just as appalled and angry at what has occurred. American Islamics are just as patriotic as the rest of us. Let us find out who the enemy is before striking out. I am sure that Islamic Americans will fight alongside the rest of America.
Very angry American Catholic of Mexican descent.
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| 15 | Roo
ID: 665497
Sun, Sep 16, 17:48
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I posted this in another thread, but the "good, moral and helpful" people there don't seem to interested in a non-Christian viewpoint:
"Who could have done such immense evil? I have asked this question as many times as I have seen the pictures on television. Every viewing fills me with unspeakable sadness. Are people calling themselves Muslims capable of such atrocities? Are they reading the same Koran? Are they the followers of the same Prophet Muhammad?"
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| 16 | Lockhart
ID: 564212815
Sun, Sep 16, 18:03
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Baldwin, Be skeptical of Politicians, for they will do whatever it takes to further their agendas. But I believe that at least 80% of the Muslin faith are just as appalled, angry, and saddened by these terrorist attacks as we are.
The Media gives a lot more (maybe all) coverage to the radical muslins and very little to the average one.
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| 17 | rockfish
ID: 247351018
Sun, Sep 16, 18:43
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Roo perhaps you can understand,but most of this nation is Christian. And in times of crisis will turn to that veiwpoint.
Myself personally really don't care about the alternative veiws. I read alot and have lately and have seen many that never supported us before trying to save thier a$$ now. Let's just hope some that have been sitting on the fence make the right desicions for now and in the future.
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| 18 | Baldwin
ID: 4261155
Sun, Sep 16, 18:45
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I gotta tell you how disgusted I was by the media taking at face value the children who were given candy and then filmed shouting slogans. (I also noticed how bored and uninvolved the passerbys were also FWIW)
What I did not find so amusing was the story that Palestinian police were firing their guns in celebration. This was caught on tape but the wire service or whoever was told by the Palestinian authorities that their safety could not be guaranteed if they released those images. Not sure how much of this was just justifiable caution and how much was intimidation or censorship.
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| 19 | Hershy
ID: 31635315
Sun, Sep 16, 18:50
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I think the main reason for this anti--Muslim sentiment is that the hijackers lived amoung americans for many years before killing thousands. Some feel that their quiet Muslim next-door neighbour could be a terrorist. That is scary. How do you think the neighbors in the Florida area feel now that they know they lived beside a cold blooded killer for years and did not know it.
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| 20 | Ender
ID: 13443221
Sun, Sep 16, 19:11
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My wife's cousin lived 2 blocks from where the terrorists from Florida were living. The reality of that fact scares them to death. WAAAAAAAY to close to home.
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| 21 | Cleveland Fan
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ID: 384131723
Sun, Sep 16, 19:28
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I just can't understand killing in the name of religeon. My God said "This is the commandment that I give unto you, that you love one another, as I have loved you. By this will all men know that you are my disciples."
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| 22 | Greenbelt
ID: 30820179
Mon, Sep 17, 10:06
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Cleve, this is NOT about religion. These are---IMO---a few kooks using a twisted version of Islam ( itself meaning "peace" ) for personal gain. VERY akin to our country's "Identity" Christianity and the more radical Christian "Reconsrtuctionism," who bomb buildings, de-rail trains, go into Temples and gun down children, believe that Jews are the spawn of Satin and Eve, and all black/brown ( non-white ) skin folks are "mud-people," blah, blah, blah.... There is another way, of course. While everyone is getting ready for Baseball and Hockey and the Stock Market and all to get started back up today, this is a very fine place to visit. Go ahead and take the online "hidden-bias test."
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| 23 | The_Mentors
ID: 9432248
Mon, Sep 17, 11:47
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This is about religion. The terrorist are fighting a 'holy war'. It is a twisted perverted form of Islam and Islamic leaders around the globe must fight to remove its teaching and teachers.
I believe these people have lived among us and are still here. That is the reason for some ant-Arab sentiment.
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| 24 | Roo
ID: 665497
Mon, Sep 17, 18:01
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Greenbelt: Great post and excellent links.
I've just taken the Black/White Race test, a fascinating process.
If you want to see my results, and percentages for other test subjects do the Memento thing here:
Your data suggest a moderate automatic preference for Black
Interpretation Percent of Total
Strong automatic preference for White Americans 48%
Moderate automatic preference for White Americans 13%
Slight automatic preference for White Americans 12%
Little to no automatic preference 12%
Slight automatic preference for Black Americans 6%
Moderate automatic preference for Black Americans 4%
Strong automatic preference for Black Americans 6%
The_Mentors:
If it's not racism towards "these people", can you explain why there wasn't anti-white sentiment when people discovered that Timothy McVeigh had also lived among "us"?
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| 25 | tomegun
ID: 58715278
Mon, Sep 17, 18:12
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Frickin' bad guys come in all races, creed, sexes, and sizes.
So do GOOD people. and there is a heck of alot more of us.
I wish all the dumbarses would realize we are all brothers and sisters from the same Maker.
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| 26 | rockfish
ID: 247351018
Mon, Sep 17, 18:33
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Roo anyone here will agree with you racism can not be tolerated in this society called America. And besure it will be dealt with,already as even the President made a statement about it today.
Let me ask you a question --What other nation deals with racism in a fairer manner than modern USA?
When America strikes it's first blow n reaction to the horrile events in recent days,what will be the reaction in the broader muslim and arab world. any racism?
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| 27 | rockfish
ID: 247351018
Mon, Sep 17, 18:42
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perhaps all further dissucions on these matters could be moved to politics forum,
just reading and realized this is baseball,rough and long week.
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| 28 | Harkonnon
ID: 50230315
Mon, Sep 17, 18:47
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Greenbelt this is a great link
I agree with Roo that the process of testing is very "interesting"
I'm a little bit confused though, as my results are exactly the same as Roo's (that is true for every category). My data suggest a slight white preference though.
on the other hand I have to say Roo and I seem to come from the same corner, judging by posts the last few days
So would anyone be so kind to go through this test and post his results as well. Just to make sure there are different results possible.
Thanks
Hark
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| 29 | biliruben
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ID: 3502218
Mon, Sep 17, 18:55
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I had an inconclusive and (if anything) slight predisposition for black, iirc.
I think the %'s he posted are for the averages of the total population taking the test, Hark, hence the reason why they are identical.
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| 30 | Roo
ID: 665497
Mon, Sep 17, 18:56
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rockfish: "the President made a statement about it today."
He also made a statement calling for "a crusade" against "the barbarians". Will that encourage or calm Anti-Muslim / Racist prejudice?
Don't confuse the actions of a small group of people, who have been condemned by almost every country in the world, with that of all Muslims / Arabs / Non-whites. "When America strikes it's first blow n reaction to the horrile events in recent days" any reaction will be to war declared by a Nation State. This is exactly what Bin Laden wants: "Bush is walking into a trap"
Full disclosure: My wife is a Sikh, one of "these people" being killed, in America, by ignorant Americans.
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| 31 | Harkonnon
ID: 50230315
Mon, Sep 17, 19:02
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biliruben
oops I missed that the percentages may be for total population.
All right makes sense then for me.
thanks
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| 32 | sarge33rd
ID: 25818711
Mon, Sep 17, 19:07
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Roo: got the absiolutely identical results. same %'s, same categories.
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| 33 | Seattle Zen
ID: 37241120
Mon, Sep 17, 19:08
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Wow, I just took the black and white bias test and scored in the least common catagory, moderate automatic bias towards Black. Only 4% of the test takers land in this catagory.
BTW, I'm a white male of the USA variety.
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| 34 | rockfish
ID: 247351018
Mon, Sep 17, 19:18
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Sz --socialist do score like that in these kinds of tests.
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| 35 | Seattle Zen
ID: 37241120
Mon, Sep 17, 19:34
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Thanks, Rockfish
As for which countries handle a diverse, multiracial culture better than the US, I would say Canada and Singapore do a better job. I haven't traveled around the world enough to give more examples.
Many Americans are lead to believe that we have the most diverse and the best race relations in the world. That is simply not true.
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| 36 | Harkonnon
ID: 50230315
Mon, Sep 17, 19:35
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To provide some info and another link regarding the "Bush is walking into a trap" article by Roo
In a German TV show Afghanistan due to it's special landscape is described as a Hell for Regular Military Forces and as Heaven for Guerillas
in the Last 100 years the Afghanis withstood several attacks of much better armed and trained foreign military forces
16000 British soldiers were killed and just 1 was sent back alive to report
the Russian invasion from 1979-89, with severe losses for the Russian Army as well
The theory that the WTC attack serves just as a provocation to draw the USA (and the rest of the world)
into a long and bloody war is backed here in the IHT
Washington Call for War plays into Terrorists Hands
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| 37 | rockfish
ID: 247351018
Mon, Sep 17, 19:58
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don't have time tonight,five 12 hr. capitolist days in a row. Sniffing out the communist/socialist isn't really that hard at all. one or two posts. beware of all anti=american sympathizers. fuel on the fire. that's one way we got to here. they use our great system against us.
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| 38 | Cleveland Fan
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ID: 384131723
Mon, Sep 17, 21:20
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This is all just getting to be too much to bear. An A#* hole in Cleveland drove his car into a mosque (sp?) to try to destroy it. The Muslims are praying for him. My sister is on jury duty and a man tied is ex up and made her watch while he brutally raped and strangled the 11 year old (step) daughter, then stabbed his ex to death. Allegedly of course, but his semen was all over the child. Maybe the end is really near. The economy was a mess before this all started. Maybe God just can't stand the planet anymore and it will end soon.
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| 39 | Lutefisker
ID: 588561616
Mon, Sep 17, 23:59
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I think that there is some quatrain in Nostrodomus that says something like:
"When the Cubbies win in seven,
All Gods Children will go to heaven."
Frankly, this makes me feel pretty comfortable that we have a while on this earth yet. ;)
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