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0 Subject: OT - Sharing AOL DSL

Posted by: WiddleAvi
- [473422422] Mon, May 13, 2002, 10:46

Hey guys. I was wondering if anyone has AOL DSL and has been able to share the internet connection on a home network ? Thanks
1smartone
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      ID: 29135714
      Mon, May 13, 2002, 15:29
what does the OT mean?
2GoatLocker
      Sustainer
      ID: 482202812
      Mon, May 13, 2002, 15:33
Smartone,
OT stands for Off topic.

WiddleAvi,
Don't have it, but you should be able to just connect into the router and then have access at each computer.

I know it works just fine for me with my cable modem.

Cliff
3Sludge
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      ID: 29939249
      Mon, May 13, 2002, 15:56
Widdle -

What kind of hardware (network) do you have?
4WiddleAvi
      ID: 4491319
      Mon, May 13, 2002, 19:09
GoatLocker - AOL uses a different way of signing on then your general ISP.

Sludge - computer #1 is running winXP and has a NIC card. This is the computer that the DSL modem is connected to.
Computer #2 is running win98 and has a NIC card.

The DSL modem is a USB modem.

in winXP I setup to share the DSL connection to the LAN connection. on the second computer told it to look to computer #1 for the internet. Doesn't seem to work. AOL claims that it is not possible. I am wondering if there is a way around it. The problem is that AOL uses proprietary (spelling?) PPoE that is not the same as the standard PPoE built into most routers.
5London Strikes
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      Mon, May 13, 2002, 19:55
I am moving back home from college this weekend .. I live in NY and have a cable modem at home through Optimum Online .. Is there a way I can connect a second computer through that Cable Modem .. I was thinking I connect cable line to cable modem and then connect ethernet cord from cable modem to a hub .. then connect the 2 computers from the hub .. Does that sound right?? I've been having terrible trouble with computers lately
6Skidazl
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      ID: 422581220
      Mon, May 13, 2002, 21:07
london, can't quite picture what you are talkiong about...

but your router has a WAN port, plug the cable modem into that, and each computer into the other ports...

HTH
7WiddleAvi
      ID: 12491321
      Mon, May 13, 2002, 21:09
You would need a Cable/DSL router. One popular model is the Linksys BEFSR41

You plug the 2 computers into the router and the Cable modem gets connected the the router WAN port. You would then have to put the settings in your router and those settings would depend on the service you use to go online. They might give you WAN IP address with a gateway and DNS settings. It may just be a username & password. Some even go by the MAC address of you hardware (Either NIC card of in this case the router.)
8APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 133401316
      Mon, May 13, 2002, 21:20
London Strikes, you can do it the way you described above...

You can either use a HUB or a Router. A HUB would be much easier but with no hardware security while a router will provide you with some type of security. If security isnt a huge issue, then i would choose a HUB rather than a router...
9Rogue's Strikers
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      Mon, May 13, 2002, 21:25
You could also get a much cheaper Network HUB. If your Cable Modem is a USB, you'll also need 2 network cards. (NIC cards.) If its a modem that plugs into a network card, you'll need 3 cards.

USB Modem: Each computer gets 1 network card. Plug the modem into one computer, then run a network cable from the network card to the Hub. Run another cable from the Hub to your other computer's network card.

Network card Modem: The main computer gets two network cards, the other one gets one. Connect your modem into one of the two network cards, then run a network cable from the other network card into the Hub. Run another cable from the Hub into your other computer's network card.

My network Hub (100MB hub) has 6 ports and only cost me 60$. (Canadian $) Mosts Routers are upwards of 200$ Cdn.

WiddleAvi, if I were you I'd demand a refund from AOHELL and sign up with a normal provider. There is no reason why you can't have a home network, and if they're unwilling to support it they shouldn't have your business.
10WiddleAvi
      ID: 64261321
      Mon, May 13, 2002, 21:26
I am pretty sure a hub wouldn't work unless the computer is dialing in and you are using internet connection sharing software. The Modem isn't ALWAYS connected to the internet. There is setting that are on the computer (Username/password, Maybe an IP Address) that tells the modem to connect. Those settings get have to be entered into the router so you can connect. A Hub couldn't do that.
11WiddleAvi
      ID: 114271321
      Mon, May 13, 2002, 21:27
It's actually not for me. It's for a friend. I am smart enough not to go near AOL.
12WiddleAvi
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      Mon, May 13, 2002, 21:29
Rogue's Strikers - Dop you use any software to share the connection ? Also does the 1st computer have to be online for the second computer to connect ?

By the way you can get the BEFSR41 for about $150
14RecycledSpinalFluid
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      Mon, May 13, 2002, 22:03
A hub will require getting an address per machine (from the ISP, either static or dynamic). A router will only require a single address from the ISP (not counting your internal network addresses). If the ISP is looking for a NIC's specific MAC, most of the Linksys routers do MAC masking to get around this.
17APerfect10
      Leader
      ID: 133401316
      Mon, May 13, 2002, 22:16
lol...I deleted it. I forget, I've been removed from networking for quite some time...I'll trust you ;)
18Sludge
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      ID: 113368
      Mon, May 13, 2002, 23:35
Here's how mine is set up for internet connection sharing, and it works great if you only have two computers.

I have cable, btw, but it really shouldn't matter as both computers share the same ip.

I have the cable modem (not usb) going into one nic in my desktop, which has internet connection sharing enabled. The second nic (in the desktop) is connected to the nic in my laptop via a crossover/twisted network cable. (NOT a patch cable.) No hub, router, or second ip (which cost extra $$) required.

I'm not sure how it will work with a USB modem, so I'm going to refer you here. It helped me get everything set up and running perfect with my cable modem, hopefully it'll do the same for your buddy's (wink, wink, nudge, nudge) AOHELL setup.
19Sludge
      Sustainer
      ID: 113368
      Mon, May 13, 2002, 23:50
Maybe this?
20Rogue's Strikers
      ID: 11491217
      Tue, May 14, 2002, 02:46
#12, nope no software needed, although the main comp has to be on for the net to work on the 2nd comp. (Not a prob for me, since my comp is always on, but I can see how it can cause a conflict for some people.)

RSF, my 2nd comp doesn't need a 2nd IP addy. It has a network IP, like a comp would threw a router. My friend and I have been able to both play games online at the same time with both computers, so I have to assume that a 2nd IP isn't neccessary.

A router is definitely the best way to go, but it might be too expensive (and ambitious) for some.
21London Strikes
      ID: 30056143
      Wed, May 29, 2002, 14:50
Hey guys, I'm back again .. I actually just bought the Linksys BEFSR41 router for $80 over the weekend ... Skidazl, i plugged the cable modem into the WAN port and then connected my computers to the router but with no luck .. Cannot get an internet connection on any computer through this way, My cable modem's PC light does not go on meaning it is not recognizing a connection to any NIC card that it can send its signal to .. Widdle, I have the setup correct (it's not very difficult, i am not a genius !), I'm guessing my settings are just off somewhere .. I've been on tech support for hours and hours, can somebody please help !!!!
22WiddleAvi
      ID: 464462917
      Wed, May 29, 2002, 17:50
I know how to set it up in general with cable or DSL. It's just that AOL DSL works differently.

Can you connect to the internet if the modem was connected directly to the PC ??

Do you need a username/password ?

Do you have any IP settings on the PC ie. IP address, Gateway, DNS settings ?

If so you need to enter those settings into the router. If you do not have any settings it may go by MAC address. If you log into the router you can change the WAN MAC address. Change it to match the MAC address of the network card in your computer.
23walk
      Leader
      ID: 28302616
      Wed, May 29, 2002, 18:04
I have the same setup at home as London Strikes, but fortunately for me, it works fine (sorry dude!). Linksys BEFSR41 4 port router (with built-in firewall). I sometimes plug my laptop into the router and have my PC and laptop sharing an internet connection. I do not use AOL DSL though; I use Time Warner's road runner. I bought the highly rated router from Amazon for $80, and I believe the price has come down some since then.

London Strikes, the settings are usually automatically configured when you walk through the 1 page (2-sided) quick set-up sheet that comes with your router. If not, you may have to literally input a static IP address. If this is so (it was for me when I used RCN, but I switched to Time Warner (much faster connections) then you will have to call your ISP and get those exact specifications/settings to input into the virtual web set-up page that is accessed via the router.

Otherwise, connections are easy: cable coax from wall to back of modem, cat 5 cable from ethernet card from PC to WAN port on router, cat 5 cable from port 1-4 (pick one) from router to modem.

NOTE: Make sure your cat 5 cable is not crossed (or whatever the correct term is, I think I am forgetting the exact term). When I connected by laptop to network, it initially did not work. I call Linksys and the technician told me to try a different cable, that I might be using a "crossover" (not sure if that is the correct term) cable which will NOT work. The cat 5 cable cannot be crossover, it must be "straight."

Good luck (the router really works!)

- walk
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