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Posted by: Ref
- [121135289] Sun, May 26, 2002, 10:57

I hate to start another Dodgers thread as others seem to think they predicted the breakout of Green, but we know better.

azd, your hitters sure didn't outhit us last night ;) Your hitters aren't bad, but our pitching is the tie that binds us. Kim has surprised me thus far and I know you've got Mantei coming back soon, but again w/o your top two the D-backs pitching is not very good at all. And I bet your hitters wouldn't be so good if they played half their games in the LA night air and the Dodgers played half their games at the BOB. It's all relative ;)

Green with another 2 homers. Incredible. Another homer today ties a MLB record for most homers in 4 games. He already set a record for most homers in a week last night.
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113Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Jun 09, 2010, 11:17
They have been unable to spend money due to the McCourts. SO not sure they would even be able to add an Oswalt-type. It's been great what Torre and the Dodgers have been able to do thus far. Been a really nice run.
114biliruben
      ID: 16105237
      Thu, Jun 10, 2010, 01:18
Yeah. The pitching finally is starting to look like they aren't deer in the headlights.

Kershaw looked really good out there. One mistake, and it's was salvageable.
115Razor
      ID: 57854118
      Thu, Jun 10, 2010, 09:23
Yes, we do need Oswalt, but Ref is right that McCourt is too broke to pay for him. This team cannot expect to win big in the playoffs with Kershaw/Bills/Kuroda as our top 3. Oswalt slides everyone back a slot and makes for a pretty solid playoff rotation. Other than that, I like our team so far. After a lousy start, we now have the NL's best record. I'd like to see us get to 20 games over .500 and then coast until the end of the year. The trade deadline is going to be key. The Phillies' acquisition of Lee last year was the difference between the Dodgers going to the World Series and watching it on TV.
116Seattle Zen
      Leader
      ID: 055343019
      Fri, Aug 13, 2010, 01:14
Bump so y'all can continue your discussion of how great the Dodgers are.

Time to make Dotel the closer.

then coast until the end of the year.

Looks like you got that much right, Razor.
117Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Aug 13, 2010, 10:15
Not sure how many times LA has lost games like last night but it is getting ridiculous. Maybe Cuban can take a run at buying the Dodgers.
118loki
      ID: 37337299
      Mon, Jun 27, 2011, 11:48
The WSJ reports the the Dodgers have filed under
Chapter 11 in bankruptcy court. This was a
possibility since the beginning of of the season,
but it is startling to see it really happen. This
link states that the McCourts used about $100
million of team funds to finance their life style
and to purchase luxury homes.

href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240527
02304314404576411482992215942.html?
mod=igoogle_wsj_gadgv1&" target="_blank">Dodger
bankruptcy
119loki
      ID: 37337299
      Mon, Jun 27, 2011, 11:49
Link

link
120biliruben
      ID: 59551120
      Wed, Jun 29, 2011, 02:27
Gawd. They should never have let him buy the team with that much leverage.

Wake me when it's over.
121Perm Dude
      ID: 5510572522
      Tue, Jul 05, 2011, 15:35
You'd think Manny would have lost that money ($20 million!) when he suddenly retired as a result of his drug test.
122mjd
      Leader
      ID: 501381415
      Tue, Jul 05, 2011, 16:23
I think it's $25 mil, PD.

I read $8.3 mil x 3 years.

No wonder he didn't hesitate to retire. Guess there's no PED clause, at least in his contract.
123biliruben
      ID: 59551120
      Wed, Oct 03, 2012, 00:58
What in living f was Mark Ellis thinking?
124Razor
      ID: 177192916
      Wed, Oct 03, 2012, 09:25
He was thinking that we'd be better off giving it a shot next year. This team was as big of a tale of two teams as I can remember - a injury-riddled surprising club where no-names (kinda since many were the sons of former Major Leaguers) kept winning and a high priced team of stars that was awful down the stretch. I am hoping they just need time to gel because we're stuck with this club for the foreseeable future.
125Ref
      ID: 34731299
      Wed, Oct 03, 2012, 10:20
123: That's exactly what I was thinking!

124: Forget gelling. They had time. problem is they can't hit. Some changes need to be made. They have to have people get on base and score some runs. With all that talent, you'd think that would be a possibility. Either can't hit lefties and making big bank. 2B issues. 3B questions. Outfield might be a lot better once Crawford is able to play. AGonz was having some issues all season long. Hanley played much better when he came to LA and I saw him hustle down the line every time, but he still didn't hit like he used to. We shall see.
126Razor
      ID: 177192916
      Wed, Oct 03, 2012, 11:07
They can hit, just not at the same time. We did not have any gaping holes in the lineup most trade but still performed horribly. Are you telling me the team with the best hitter in the NL, the Marlins' best hitter, the Red Sox best hitter, plus Ethier, a serviceable, LF, C, 3B and 2B should be the worst offense in the NL?
127biliruben
      ID: 21841115
      Wed, Oct 03, 2012, 11:32
I think a lot of our problem second half was kemp's shoulder, and a back-loaded schedule with a lot of quality arms to face after the ASB.

I'm concerned Adrian has turned into a doubles machine at Dodger stadium.

I'm concerned Ethier has regressed against lefties.

I'm concerned we have only one solid starter.

I'm concerned we are tapped out, with the 250M in contracts we took on.
128loki
      ID: 7116710
      Sat, Oct 19, 2013, 12:57
Living in NJ,not having a friend or family member who is a Dodger fan and with local sports talk stations that could care less about the Dodgers, I need a place to rant about Mattingly.
I never realized how poor a manager he is until I watched him in the postseason. He had a HOF worthy career with the Yankees, but his skill as a player did translate to managerial acumen.
How could he walk Reed to pitch to Jason Heywood? Where is his bench coach to help him when his brain freezes? The lefty-lefty matchup made no sense. Heywood's OPS was actually better against lefties, and even if it was not a player like Reed is never walked for a player like Heywood. He brought in Paco Rodriguez who was pitching poorly in September with a 5.56 ERA, and had him do what a RP should never do, intentionally walk the 1st batter he faces. Furthermore, Widrow was pitching well. What followed next had to be
expected.
Again where was a bench coach? Pinch running for Gonzalez? Pinch running for your best (or 2nd best) hitter; what was he thinking? Speaking of being hoisted by his own petard: Not only did Gonzalez's spot come up twice, but St.L. was able to IW walk Ramirez to get to Young who hit into 2 DPs.
Letting Ramirez play with a fractured rib after it was obvious that he could not hit or field due to pain. It did not matter that it was Hanley Ramirez. Mattingly had to be the parent (aka manager) in that situation.
Letting Kershaw pitch after it was obvious that he did not have it that night. Yes Kershaw is the probable CYA winner, but even Koufax had off games. Mattingly had to be the parent again in the close-out game of the series. Of all of these, Mattingly could possibly be given a pass on this one, were it not for all his other errors.

129filthy
      ID: 4157202
      Sat, Oct 19, 2013, 22:19
Really gets magnified against a strong fundamental team like the Cardinals. Mike Matheny can't get enough credit on the other hand. I don't think Yadier Molina becomes the player he is today without Matheny around. And it spreads to how the rest of their team gets built. While the Dodgers are on the absolute other end of the spectrum. It's hard to totally fault Mattingly when his team isn't exactly built with fundamental players. Trying to find an offensive spark backfires with defensive mishaps all over the place, and putting in the defensive lineup still gets errors and nothing but goose eggs on offense. The team could use a little bit of a facelift too. Mattingly definitely wasn't good either, one million percent outmatched by Matheny of course, a first baseman against a catcher. Pulling Puig in that last game might have lit a spark, or even keeping him as a reserve for the series, he was totally exposed by the Cards. Even in Kershaw's first start against the Cards, pulling him early was kinda dumb, but there was no offense to be found anyway, so it's hard when there isn't much to work with. Mattingly easily could've stole a couple games if he made some better decisions, but the team could all have made a couple differences with some better at bats and defensive play. They were all so majorly exposed against a team like the Cards, that don't even miss a beat without an MVP caliber player in Allen Craig. The Dodgers can at least take some solace in the fact that the Cards should roll whoever they face in the World Series. Great pitching, catching, defense, baserunning, and battling every at bat, just waiting to pounce and expose every little mistake.
130Ref
      ID: 34731299
      Sun, Oct 20, 2013, 01:31
Agree with most everything. But it comes down to Dodgers inability to hit. Before Hanley and Puig were added to the active roster in June, Gonzo was the only one hitting. When HR and YP were added and went nuts, the Dodgers went nuts. But mainly it was those two with a clutch hit by one of the other players form time to time. When you combine that with the outstanding pitching, you had a recipe for success. But hanley gets hurt again and Puig gets too complacent and looks at so many strikes it wasn't funny. Gonzo again was trying to carry the load. The game was over when it was 4-0. Wacha pitched well, but it did not matter. The Dodgers can't hit.

Mattingly is not a good manager. It is largely his fault the roster and lineup was how it was earlier in the year. But if Manager gets the negative when they lose, you have to give him credit when they win--regardless if it is in spite of him or not. Injuries were key this year but even with all those injuries you ahve bad play from guys like Kemp and Ethier. Crawford was inconsistent. Mark Ellis played a little better in the playoffs. Uribe didin't do anything in NLCS outside of that 2 run single in Game 1. Any hitting at all and the Dodgers win the first two games instead of wasting outstanding performances by a couple of the best pitchers in baseball. That's the series right there.
131loki
      ID: 7116710
      Mon, Oct 21, 2013, 10:55
" Puig gets too complacent and looks at so many strikes it wasn't funny."
There was a different feel to Puig during the playoffs. Did they coach his aggressiveness, especially at bat, out of him? The only time he looked like the Puig who batted during the regular season was when he missed the HR and had the standup triple. When he was aggressive, it was with errant throws from the outfield. I saw Puig when the Dodgers played the Phillies in Philadelphia, and the difference between that game and Puig in the playoffs was marked. His aggressive, albeit sometimes overly aggressive play is what made him a great player for a few months and is what ignited (along with Ramirez's hitting of course) the Dodger's run. Can Mattingly be blamed for this also?
132Seattle Zen
      ID: 3310162612
      Mon, Oct 21, 2013, 13:35
Can Mattingly be blamed for this also?

He was a great manager until his back problems robbed him of his power/snark.
133Ref
      ID: 34731299
      Wed, Oct 23, 2013, 19:16
Mattingly is arguably great for the clubhouse, but his in-game decisions were head-scratchers. Looks like the Dodgers agree as they just fired the bench manager--Mattingly's best friend in the world. I still say the Dodgers won in spite of Mattingly.
134loki
      ID: 1959513
      Thu, Jun 05, 2014, 14:09
The Dodgers should bring up Joc Pederson. He is not Puig, but it is conceivable that he would supply the same spark as Puig did last year.
135biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Fri, Jun 06, 2014, 06:03
Except they already are over-crowded in the outfield. When you have Matt Kemp platooning, the one thing you don't need is a 6th outfielder.
136loki
      ID: 1959513
      Sat, Jun 07, 2014, 23:14
Then trade the overpaid underperforming OFs for someone useful. If the Dodgers can afford a $250K (or whatever) payroll, they can afford to eat the salaries of Kemp or Crawford or Ethier.
137biliruben
      ID: 28420307
      Tue, Jun 10, 2014, 07:04
The Trouts and Puigs of the world are the exception, not the rule.

For every impact rookie, you see 10 struggle.

138Ref
      ID: 55156513
      Tue, Jun 10, 2014, 11:23
The Dodgers would rather have Ethier, Kemp and Crawford on their bench or occasional starter and pay them, then give them to their opponents and pay them. I have become friends with one of the beat writers for the Dodgers and he gives me some interesting tidbits now and then. I am going to see them in Cincy Wed and Thurs and I hope to meet up with him.
139biliruben
      ID: 28420307
      Tue, Jun 10, 2014, 11:41
Sweet. Pass along the dirt.

The outfielders really aren't the problem. Kemp's really the only one under performing, and he's started seeing the ball better the last few games as well.

We really need help at 3rd, Adrian to snap out of his slump, and Hanley to start hitting like Hanley can.
140loki
      ID: 1959513
      Mon, Jun 16, 2014, 12:48
Trout and Puig were more than impact rookies; they were game changers. The Dodgers need to make a change, and that should involve Kemp, Ethier, Crawford and possibly Ramirez (if Gonalez's ear heals enough for him to play this season and regain the form he had before the fight). I do not think that Pederson will perform like Puig did last year, but if he is promoted and plays even as well as any of the aforementioned OFs, LA can trade to improve the team.
And perhaps Pederson will play as well as Puig did last season and spark the team. As far as eating large parts of salaries, the Dodgers and their $239,000,000 payroll should only be concerned about fielding a winning team.
141biliruben
      ID: 41431323
      Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 02:01
Wow.

Hanley must feel a bit bad.
142Ref
      ID: 55156513
      Thu, Jun 19, 2014, 09:11
I am hurting right now because I stayed up watching the entire game. Kershaw was dominant. The error was a really easy play but Hanley hurt that right index finger yesterday and was surprised he even played. He can hardly grip the ball or bat apparently. Still the very next hitter was thrown out on a remarkable play by Rojas at 3B. The rest of the game, the outs were fairly routine by MLB standards. Read this: http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/48722/kershaws-no-hitter-most-dominant-ever
143filthy
      ID: 4157202
      Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 04:09
Hanley still feels a little good that he doesn't have to bat against that curve!

My new cable package doesn't have any US sports channels so I miss the Dodgers' games this year, and to make it worse, none of my current sports channels even cut to the 9th inning for the no-no. At least they had it in the late night highlight packs right away. I'm missin' out though. Kershaw's a wizard of sorts.
144Ref
      ID: 55156513
      Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 14:25
Send me a note. I have a friend who has hooked me up with any MLB game I want for free over the internet.
145 filthy
      ID: 4157202
      Mon, Jun 23, 2014, 01:44
i don't keep an address book and can't find your email (my search was given up on easily, i admit). more baseball sounds sweet to me. i generally get a game a night if i'm home, 2 sometimes if jays are playing in the east and mariners are playing in the west. but i used to get a dodgers, cubs, white sox, and mets feed too, so i'm definitely missing the variety. kershaw was getting gems foiled by errors/passed balls/wild pitches down the stretch last year. i'm sure the no hitter is great consolation and i bet he can even laugh at the fact it was an error that ruined the perfecto. would love to watch every kershaw start again if i could.

left my email to avoid semi-hijacking this dodgers talk thread.
146Loki
      ID: 5938423
      Sun, Oct 05, 2014, 01:00
As Yogi Berra would have said, "It is déjà vu all over again.
I posted the following on 10/19/2013:

Sat, Oct 19, 2013, 12:57 Living in NJ,not having a friend or family member who is a Dodger fan and with local sports talk stations that could care less about the Dodgers, I need a place to rant about Mattingly.
I never realized how poor a manager he is until I watched him in the postseason. He had a HOF worthy career with the Yankees, but his skill as a player did translate to managerial acumen.
How could he walk Reed to pitch to Jason Heywood? Where is his bench coach to help him when his brain freezes? The lefty-lefty matchup made no sense. Heywood's OPS was actually better against lefties, and even if it was not a player like Reed is never walked for a player like Heywood. He brought in Paco Rodriguez who was pitching poorly in September with a 5.56 ERA, and had him do what a RP should never do, intentionally walk the 1st batter he faces. Furthermore, Widrow was pitching well. What followed next had to be
expected.
Well Mattingly obviously cannot learn from his own history. Last night he repeated history by leaving Kershaw in way after he should have been replaced. Tonight he took Greinke out after only 104 pitches, 2 hits and 2 BBs. HE DOES NOT THINK!!!!
Kemp just hit a HR and I hope this will negate Mattingly's incompetence tonight.
I never get to watch my Dodgers during the regular season, and it is frustrating to watch Mattingly mismanage.

147Loki
      ID: 5938423
      Sun, Oct 05, 2014, 01:16
As Yogi Berra would have said, "It is déjà vu all over again.
I posted the following on 10/19/2013:

Living in NJ,not having a friend or family member who is a Dodger fan and with local sports talk stations that could care less about the Dodgers, I need a place to rant about Mattingly.
I never realized how poor a manager he is until I watched him in the postseason. He had a HOF worthy career with the Yankees, but his skill as a player did translate to managerial acumen.
How could he walk Reed to pitch to Jason Heywood? Where is his bench coach to help him when his brain freezes? The lefty-lefty matchup made no sense. Heywood's OPS was actually better against lefties, and even if it was not a player like Reed is never walked for a player like Heywood. He brought in Paco Rodriguez who was pitching poorly in September with a 5.56 ERA, and had him do what a RP should never do, intentionally walk the 1st batter he faces. Furthermore, Widrow was pitching well. What followed next had to be
expected.
Again where was a bench coach? Pinch running for Gonzalez? Pinch running for your best (or 2nd best) hitter; what was he thinking? Speaking of being hoisted by his own petard: Not only did Gonzalez's spot come up twice, but St.L. was able to IW walk Ramirez to get to Young who hit into 2 DPs.
Letting Ramirez play with a fractured rib after it was obvious that he could not hit or field due to pain. It did not matter that it was Hanley Ramirez. Mattingly had to be the parent (aka manager) in that situation.
Letting Kershaw pitch after it was obvious that he did not have it that night. Yes Kershaw is the probable CYA winner, but even Koufax had off games. Mattingly had to be the parent again in the close-out game of the series. Of all of these, Mattingly could possibly be given a pass on this one, were it not for all his other errors.

Well Mattingly obviously cannot learn from his own history. Last night he repeated history by leaving Kershaw in way after he should have been replaced. Tonight he took Greinke out after only 104 pitches, 2 hits and 2 BBs. HE DOES NOT THINK!!!!
Kemp just hit a HR and I hope this will negate Mattingly's incompetence tonight.
I never get to watch my Dodgers during the regular season, and it is frustrating to watch Mattingly mismanage.


148weykool
      ID: 586491619
      Sun, Oct 05, 2014, 03:12
I never get to watch my Dodgers during the regular season, and it is frustrating to watch Mattingly mismanage.
Heh.
Most fans in So Cal didnt get to watch the Dodgers either.
The TV deal they made with the cable company was a disaster for Dodger fans.
149 Ref
      ID: 55156513
      Wed, Dec 03, 2014, 14:54
Sorry I didn't notice this thread again filthy.

I went to several Dodgers games on the road this year. Most ever--including the playoffs again in StL.
150loki
      SuperDude
      ID: 4211201420
      Sun, Oct 18, 2015, 16:13
Time for my annual October rant on Don Mattingly. I was out of the country, and could only see game 5 of the series. In this game I only caught 2 mistakes, and they certainly were not of the magnitude of those from 2014. (See post147.) The glaring one was batting Grandiel 6th when he had been 4 for his last 100 at bats. Of course it could be argued that he should not have played Grandiel at all while Mattingly had Ellis on the bench. How much defense, if any at all, would have the team lost with Ellis playing? Allowing Pederson to swing at 3 and 0 was a minor error in judgement. Murphy's steal of 3B after Duda's walk essentially lost the game for the Dodgers. I cannot blame this one on Mattingly. However the buck does stop with the manager, and the Dodgers should have been better coached.
The silver lining of this cloud is that it may get Mattingly fired.
As they used to say in Brooklyn prior to 1955, Wait 'til next year."
151biliruben
      ID: 28420307
      Thu, Apr 07, 2016, 00:21
Man they look good.

Of course San Diego will do that for you.
152loki
      ID: 15046816
      Fri, Oct 20, 2017, 11:08
YES!!!!
I did not win the lottery for WS tickets and would have flown from NJ if I had. Cannot pay scalper's prices.
153Seattle Zen
      ID: 499182319
      Mon, Oct 23, 2017, 20:19
The average person in India, in Mexico, on the entire continent of Africa were not born when the Dodgers were last in the World Series.

They are not used to this. They are accustomed to them losing in the playoffs BEFORE the Series. They have only heard stories of fans leaving Chavez Ravine in the seventh inning in early October, not this late.
154Seattle Zen
      ID: 59929269
      Thu, Oct 26, 2017, 10:30
The least noticed but most important move in last night's amazing game was the replacement of Dave Roberts with Don Mattingly in the seventh.
155loki
      ID: 15046816
      Thu, Oct 26, 2017, 20:47
Really, I thought that it was Mattingly who took out Hill after the 4th.
156Loki
      ID: 27522417
      Sun, Jun 24, 2018, 18:02
Went to Dodgers METS game today.
7 solo HRs!!
157 Ref
      ID: 5857210
      Sun, Sep 02, 2018, 11:57
You brought this from way back lol.

I am heading to Cincy and StL next week.

I have a Dodgers facebook group called Dodgers United that I just started if any Dodger fans want to come and join.
158Ref
      ID: 19592411
      Wed, Oct 24, 2018, 13:00
Underdogs, but World Series again. Who wouldda thunk it back to when we were 16-26 in Mid May?
159loki
      ID: 453362410
      Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 00:21
Now instead of my October rant against Mattingly, I can have one against Roberts. Yes the bull pen lost the game, but if Roberts would think instead of solely relying on "analytics," it never would have gotten that far. Taking out Hill for a "matchup" was downright stupid. He had a one hitter, struck out the last batter he faced, and even though he had about 92 pitches, he did not seem to be tiring. At least wait until that occurred. UGH!!!!
160Khahan
      ID: 367431722
      Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 10:32
I was cheering when he took Hill out. Hill was dominating that game. And then I was cheering even more when he brought in Madsen.
161Species
      SuperDude
      ID: 07724916
      Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 11:54
159: in Roberts' defense - look at Hill's game log for the year. Very rarely did he go over 95-ish pitches. Roberts probably understands Hill's general limitations....

That said, when you WATCHED how he was pitching, it is hard not to second guess.
162loki
      ID: 453362410
      Sun, Oct 28, 2018, 17:50
As a fan who stayed up to 3:40 AM and watched all 18 innings the night before, I deserved better.
BTW I have been following and posting on Facebook Dodger United.
It is really nice to be around all these Dodger fans, even if they are virtual Facebook fans.
There are not many LAD fans in Central NJ.
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