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Subject: Is Selig such a bad guy?
Posted by: Rogue's Strikers
- [595161812] Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 13:32
Ok, I know this was only one article, and the Players Association didn't get to tell their side of the story, but is anyone else thinking that maybe we've been pissed off at the wrong side all this time? This is the guy who wants to contract my team, yet everything he's said so far has been reasonable. (At least it was in this article.)
More and more, it seems that the Players Association is just a greedy, arrogant organization with little thought for the future of the game. A couple things lately that have really annoyed me about them:
1) Steroid testing being a 'concession' on their part. Huh? How is this of any benefit to the owners one way or the other?
2) Meddling in revenue sharing. How this should be any concern of theirs is beyond me. Fine, in the end it will affect how much cash they get in their contracts, but don't they realize how sick America is of seeing multi-million dollar players? Their defense for the last while has been "hey, the owners have the cash and have offered it to us. Would you say no?", acting as if it was up to the owners to decide these things. Now, when their big contracts are ready to go out the window, they want to keep the big rich teams the way they are. Ugh.
Basically, it seems as if the players union is only looking out for their own interests, and to hell with the current state of the game. If thats their stance then so be it, but why is it that so many people see them as the 'good guys' in this struggle?
Selig and the owners have proposed a few things lately that have the potential to set the game out on the right track. Fehr on the other hand seems to be content with condemning any new offer put on the table, without proposing anything reasonable himself. Its as if he isn't even trying... just waiting for August to roll around, start the strike, and wait things out until they get another favorable deal. Just when my Spos are starting to make some noise (only 4 1/2 back!) and just when I start making a move in my baseball pools.... Ugh! :( |
| 1 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 14:24
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I would change your thread title to "are the owners really to blame?". I side with the owners to the point that I might support a lockout of the entire 2003 season and even beyond if their demands are really in the best interest in the furture of the game. Even though some might feel that the owners need an ally in the comissioners office, lets be honest. Selig has no place as the comissioner of MLB. He's clearly biased and his attempt to contract the Twins is proof of that. The questionable practices of the Twins owner and his misuse of funds apropriated to him through revenue sharing dictate that he should be forced to sell the team (IMO), but talk of contracting them is pointless unless you have a stake in a team in a neighboring market (like Milwaukee?).
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| 2 | Perm Dude
Leader
ID: 22347210
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 14:28
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I'd say you're only getting one side of the story RS. I am certainly no fan of Selig and strongly believe he should not be Commissioner. A better title would be Owners' Spokesman.
pd
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| 3 | biliruben
Sustainer
ID: 3502218
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 14:31
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If Selig wants my support, he has to tell the truth and be open and honest about MLB finances. I blame both sides, but at least you know where the players are coming from - make as much money as I can before my swing slows down or my arm falls off. MLB has been dishonest about their finances for as long as the game has existed.
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| 4 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 14:45
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Bili I disagree with your assessment of the players position. Or at the least I feel that it's incomplete. I see it as something more like:
make as much money as I can before my swing slows down or my arm falls off in spite of how it negatively impacts the game or the future of the game, and protect all players' and all future players' rights to continue to do so until MLB is ultimately and inevitibly destroyed as a result.
If the players are trying to keep revenue sharing from coming into further effect so that (as Selig says in the linked interview) the high revenue teams will remain in place to continue to drive up the bidding of free agents, that position is with complete disregard for any balance whatsoever.
At least the owners can claim that their demands (as conveyed through Sellig) are intended to further interests that at least coincide with leveling the playing field among the franchises.
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| 5 | quik_ag@work
ID: 12432289
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 14:51
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however, you wouldn't need the salary cap if you just got rid of the anti-trust exemption. Unfortunately, the owners are just as willing to concede that as the players are to concede the salary cap issue. Without the exemption, the "free market" effect should drive the game to equilibrium, even if it takes 5 teams in the NYC metropolitan area to even payrolls out and spread around the wealth of certain geographic areas.
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| 6 | patjams
ID: 465531914
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 14:56
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Donald Fehr is as much to blame as Bud Selig. He "represents" the players with his own opinion at times and that is detrimental to all sides. The players have given Fehr the right to negotiate on their behalf, but not all of the players believe he has theirs (and baseballs) best interests in mind.
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| 7 | biliruben
Sustainer
ID: 3502218
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 14:57
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Well, I guess it depends on what you mean by the player's "position", MITH. I would guess not one mlb player has any desire, conscious or unconcious, to destroy major league baseball. If it is a consequence of there position, which I agree might be a possibility, I would guess less than half the players have the forethought or interest to think that far ahead.
Fehr certainly does, however, and I agree that it is short-sighted and selfish for the player's union to oppose anything which is against the long-term interests of the game. They have the owners over a barrel, and it would be nice if they looked beyond beating their historical nemesis (again), and took a wider view of the game's future. I'm not holding my breath, however.
I don't have the time right now to read the interview. I'll try to get to it later.
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| 8 | The Left Wings
ID: 760719
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 15:49
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Of course the Player's Union opposes the steroid tests. All the big names who will test positive will be just as negative an image as totally refusing to test.
Let's face it: Bud Selig is a bastard. He's the one responsible for the game's downfall. And of course, his whining at the house was totally BS. Who would believe what he claimed? I'm sure he manipulated the numbers so that they look the as badly as possible in hope for some help from the house.
But then again, a lot of the players themselves are greedy rich bastards too. Why should those who sit half a game in the dugout and stand the other half of a game in the field chewing bubblegum be paid sooooo much more than the NBA/NHL players who actually have to sweat and pant in exhaustion?
I think this is a perfect example of how a union becomes too strong and ultimately become harmful to its company.
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| 9 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 15:55
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Please explain how Bud Selig is responsible for the downfall of baseball. I don't think much of the guy, but most of baseball's real problems were set in motion long before he was comissioner.
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| 10 | ChicagoTRS
Sustainer
ID: 3948815
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 17:33
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Selig is responsible because he is the doofus in charge. Who is always ultimately responsible for any organizations failure...the CEO...the captain...
I don't think Selig has any real power as he is just a puppet but holding the commissioner title I think he deserves his share of the blame.
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| 11 | Tree
ID: 599393013
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 17:55
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no matter what Selig says or does, it's hard to get past and overlook the fact that as a former owner - one who's team is STILL run by an immediate member of his family - he has the owner's best interests at heart, when the best interests in his heart should be that of the game.
Tree
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| 12 | Rogue's Strikers
ID: 595161812
Wed, Jun 19, 2002, 21:03
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Fair enough guys. I haven't been the biggest Selig fan in the world (leave my Spos alone!), but I just felt that his interview was very reasonable. Since you can't hear the owners talk about these things without getting fined, I guess we have to hear their side of the conflict threw Bud... and I'm gald to see that their stance is reasonable.
Love him or hate him, if Bud Selig manages to get all the things he's hoping for in a new agreement, he'll be responsible for saving the game. I guess its just nice to see that despite his alterior motives, he's still trying to help save the game... More than can be said of Fehr.
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