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0 Subject: A Yankee Fan's First Visit to Yankee Stadium

Posted by: Species
- Sustainer [304521510] Mon, Jun 24, 2002, 18:20

Note: This is non-fantasy related. It is merely my attempt to twirl a tale of a lifelong baseball fan's first trip to the immortal Yankee Stadium. It is long, and if you would not appreciate a reminiscence about baseball, about what drew you in as a kid, please hit "back" on your browser and see how many TSNP Piazza got tonight. Thanks.

It’s all Burt Hooten, Elias Sosa and Charlie Hough’s fault.

My 25 years of Yankee fandom is due to three pitchers from the Los Angeles Dodgers??

October 18, 1977. Game six of the World Series. Yankee Stadium. The Bronx, New York. Yankees up three games to two. Three pitches by the aforementioned pitchers. Three swings off the bat of Reginald Martinez Jackson. Three home runs. Five runs batted in. The glorious Yankees venting 15 years of frustration to regain the World Championship, and a 9 year old in Portland, Oregon starts a lifetime of baseball fandom.

Now that 9 year old kid is a 33 year old adult who finally took his first trip to the hallowed halls of The House That Ruth Built, and as I write this I’m not sure I have the words to truly describe what it felt like. But to have any idea, you had to be there in 1977. To see my jaw drop. To see the look in my eyes, and to revel in the glory and the pain of being a Yankee fan in Oregon/California and never having laid eyes upon the very ground where all of the greats strode. Ruth, Gehrig, Mantle, Dimaggio, Ford, Guidry, Mattingly, Maris…..the list goes on. The short porch…..death valley…..Monument Park……the famous façade. Someday I would see it…….

Before someday could ever occur, after the Yankees repeated as World Champions in 1978 by again defeating the Los Angeles Dodgers, I had to endure the Steinbrenner era. The free agent era. The Billy Martin managerial revolving door. Instead of names like Berra, Skowron, Nettles, Randolph and Cochrane, I had to endure the likes of Steve Kemp, Ken Phelps, Dennis Rasmussen, Matt Nokes, Dave LaPoint and Andy Hawkins. High draft picks given away on stupid free-agent signings. Hot prospects traded away for aging veterans with nothing left in the tank. A lineup featuring an in-his-prime Rickey Henderson, solid Willie Randolph, stud Don Mattingly and Hall-of-Famer Dave Winfield gone to waste. Oh the pain….the agony.

Finally in the mid-90’s it turned around. New focus was given on internal player development. Studs like Bernie Williams, Derek Jeter, Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitte and Jorge Posada were up and coming. They traded for Tino Martinez and Jeff Nelson. Other astute trades occurred, and Joe Torre became the manager. You know the rest, but for me it was a culmination of a return to glory that was long overdue. Many friends on the internet who had lived in the era of the 50’s and early 60’s felt that a Yankee Pennant was a birthright. Having never lived through such bliss, the return to glory seemed all the sweeter.

For me, someday was June 7th and 8th, 2002. After years of bugging the wife, she finally agreed to let me take a weekend and go to The Stadium. For over 6 years I had been in communication with New Yorkers who told tales of The Stadium and the ghosts that roamed there. FINALLY, after all of these years, it was my turn. Seeing the Yankees in Oakland was always nice, and I even saw them in Phoenix for the 2001 World Series, but this was different. Yankee Pinstripes. The smell of the NY hot dogs. The swearing in the stands. Everything!

With my friend Mike, a New Yorker I’ve known since 1996, I hopped on the D train in midtown like a giddy 7 year old getting onto the Matterhorn at Disneyland. I’m sure Mike thought I was nuts to be so excited to ride the subway, but even that was such an important part of the experience for me. Dozens of Yankee caps and shirts were spotted amongst the crowd as we made our way from the 50th street station North to the Bronx.

The operator made the call……”161st Street and River Avenue….Yankee Stadium next stop”. I nearly peed my pants. I made my way close to the door as the crowd exited the train. As we made our way up the stairs to River Avenue, I could hear the clickety-clack of the number 4 train above us as we emerged from the catacombs of the subway to the outside of the Stadium past center field. We made our way towards the right field gate, walking past the dozens of vendors and hot dog stands along River Avenue, including Stan’s, a bar I had heard about hundreds of times.

Not wanting to stop to check the scenery we rushed to the gate. I bought a Yankee Yearbook and we walked up a switchback ramp. Already I could sense a difference between The Stadium and Pac Bell Park where I usually see a ballgame. Yankee Stadium’s walls were a cold painted concrete…..the aroma seemed more of spilt beer and hot dog wrappers versus garlic fries and micro-brewed beer. As we made our way to the loge level, it just so happened we were right at the entrance to our section. With my mouth and eyes nearly aghast I made my way down the steps to our section between right field and 1st base. I stood at the railing for a moment and took a panoramic view of the ballpark. The perfectly manicured grass……the façade that has stood as a part of these hallowed grounds for decades……the lack of foul ground down the lines…….the 399 ft. left field power alley…….with the stands behind them that were once the true ‘death valley’ of over 460 feet. The classic scoreboard that has been engrained in my being since that fateful day in October of 1977.

Everything about my time at Yankee Stadium was better than I had imagined. The crowd was phenomenal. I chatted with many in and around my section, all of whom showed overflowing exuberance despite my virgin trip to The Stadium. They told tales of games past…..the throw made by Winfield in 1987. The final day of the 1984 season where Mattingly outhit Winfield for the batting crown. The Jeffrey Maier game. Game 6 versus the Braves in 1996 when Charlie Hayes squeezed the final out.

They sell beer in the stands. The hot dogs are juicier. The ushers ruder – I was refused entry into Monument Park, despite being their 2 hours before first pitch – despite showing my California drivers license and pleading that it was my first ever trip to the Stadium. The fans are boisterous. The bathrooms needed to be sanitized. The paraphernalia overpriced. Would I change a thing? NEVER! What's so incredible about Yankee Stadium emanates from the joy of baseball as a kid......the history of baseball as only the 26-time World Champions can tell it to you. As only an 80-odd year old Stadium can whisper to you....

I think you appreciate reaching your goal more when the journey to get there was more arduous. I know it has meant more to me. So thank you Burt Hooten, Elias Sosa and Charlie Hough. You started something for me in 1977 that at least partially became whole this month. Pac Bell is beautiful – an absolutely joyous place to watch a game, but Pac Bell doesn’t have the ghosts of Ruth and Gehrig swirling around. It doesn’t have the silenced screams of 26 World Championship cheers still vibrating in it’s walls. Pac Bell may be classic in 2045, but Yankee Stadium is forever timeless.
1Ref
      ID: 28045169
      Mon, Jun 24, 2002, 18:26
OK, from a Dodgers fan, that hurts. But in 1978, Reginald's hip cost us the Series. Yeah, the one wear he sticks it out and kills the DP and we lose the game and Series eventually. I didn't like Jackson because he was so good--but after his hip incident--I wanted nothing to do with him. But for me it was 1974 when the underdog Dodgers were up against the mighty A's. I was so young, but impressionable as my father liked them. I think Reggie played for the A's that year too--interesting.

I liked your post. Remembering my first taste of Dodgers Stadium. Locals may not see it--but when your team is far away and you get the chance to go--it really is something!
2Perm Dude
      Leader
      ID: 165332019
      Mon, Jun 24, 2002, 18:37
Good stuff, Species. I'm a Tribe fan, but lived in NY for years and spent more than a few days & evenings at Yankee Stadium. It was always a thrill, even a chilly September in the 80s when the Yankees were out of it and half the crowd went to see if Cecil Fielder would get his 50th.

Hmmm. I'm surprised no on mentioned Jaret Wright's game in 1996....

pd
3Species
      Sustainer
      ID: 304521510
      Mon, Jun 24, 2002, 19:40
Ref -- Come on now! Anyone who saw that replay can clearly see that Jackson tried vehemently to avoid that throw! Talk about a blatant case of rose colored glasses! (SIC) And yes, that was Reggie in 1974 with the A's as well. He was on all 3 of the threepeat A's titles in the 70's.

PD - Hmmmmm. Jaret Wright was in 1997, actually. And you say Jaret Wright, I say Jose Mesa and Craig Counsell! ;-)
4Perm Dude
      Leader
      ID: 165332019
      Mon, Jun 24, 2002, 19:58
Yeah, Mesa blew a few (though no big ones in Yankee Stadium, as I recall), and Counsell's hit was at the end of one of the best WS games I've seen, even if the Tribe lost that one.

Come to think of it, watching (on TV) the two Yankee comeback games in the playoffs last year with 2 outs in the ninth was pretty incredible. I don't like the Yankees but certainly shared the incredible joy of the fans as they watched the improbable happen.

pd
5Dave R
      Leader
      ID: 12441623
      Mon, Jun 24, 2002, 20:02
Species, your trip to Yankee Stadium couldn't have been written, make that couldn't have been said any better. What a truly wonderful time it must have been.

As a local resident, I've been to Yankee stadium many times and I still get get goose bumps walking into the stadium. It's a place like no other (Walk don't you agree?). It's to bad you couldn't visit monument park, hopefully you come here again to visit.

It's too bad things didn't work out that we could get together, at least we got to talk on the phone as you were walking ( staggering? ) down 5th avenue.

Oh, you forgot to mention Horace Clark. For all the Yankee bashers, things haven't always been this sweet.
6smallwhirled
      Donor
      ID: 17152614
      Mon, Jun 24, 2002, 20:07
What a thread!!!

The games I attended at Three Rivers Stadium are memories that I can hardly remember at all. Not until I moved away from the city of Pittsburgh was I old enough to fathom the experience at a ballpark. I only hear about the play of the Bucos from the 60's and 70's from my father, and I faintly remember the late season collapses of the early 90's.

...Anyways, all of this is gonna change in a little over a week, when I get my first visit to PNC vs. the Astros. I can't wait for the game, actually, and I'll even put a nice grin on my face if Berkman scores against my Bucos as I make a run for the top of smallworld baseball. :)

I want my Bucos to compete again...

smallwhirled
7jedman
      Sustainer
      ID: 40746414
      Mon, Jun 24, 2002, 20:59
As always, a masterpiece of writing Species. Very well done indeed. Knowing your love of the Yankees, I am so glad you had a chance to make the trip. Are you sure you still want to attend some games at Pac Bell? I really hate for you to have a let down:)

And Dave R., I think the "rest of the story" includes a trip to Monument Park on Saturday. I'm still waiting for pictures, Greg.
8walk
      Leader
      ID: 262581610
      Mon, Jun 24, 2002, 22:08
And you couldn't write. Just a few subway stops from my apt? [some nice hometown Jewish guilt]

;-)

Glad you had a great, great time there, Species. I kinda know what you feel there. I guess your well-written and poignant experiences were for me the most intense many years ago, but always there's a tingle when I go.

In comparison, I went to a Mets game (dare I admit it) with 7 of my good high school friends this past weekend. By the 3rd inning, we had left our seats to hang out in the smoking section just to catch up and chat. Shea is very vanilla, and old, and has very little, if any, character.

Yankee stadium, on the other hand, well, now you know why most Yankee fans do not want to let George relocate. The history is unmatchable (with all due respect to red sox, cubs and fans of other ancient baseball houses of worship).

Good for you, man. Glad you had a successful and memorable pilgrimage.

And some day, I hope to holiday to my home away from home, SF, and also see Pac Bell Park.

- walk
9Wild Bill Hagy
      ID: 29141112
      Tue, Jun 25, 2002, 09:47
I think I'm gonna be sick. ;-)
10Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 1832399
      Tue, Jun 25, 2002, 10:48
Congrats on your first trip, Species. Thrilled to hear your experience lived up to your expectations.

Ref should gladly accept the 1981 WS as an effective revenge enacted on 1977 & '78.

Loved your paragraph about the 1980's Yanks. Being about 4 years your junior, I have only scant memories of the Reggie Jackson Yankees, so I hold the 4 you mention at the bottom of that paragraph, along with Gator and Rags dear as the heros of my youth.

Anyhow, 1985 hurt the most. They headed to Toronto for the final series of the season 3 games behind the leading Blue Jays, needing to sweep in order to force a 1 game playoff. They took game 1 against Jimmy Key but lost game 2 (#$&^@!#& Doyle Alexander!), leaving Phil Neikro's 300th win on the final game of the season (and making Neikro, 46, the oldest player to ever pitch a complete game shutout) as the finale and of the season.

It would be ten long years before I was able to experience that same excitement through Yankee baseball.

Here are the boxscores:
Oct 4, 1985
Oct 5, 1985
Oct 6, 1985
11Ref
      ID: 28045169
      Tue, Jun 25, 2002, 11:05
Re: 10, yeah '81 was sweet with the Yanks revenge and '88 was sweet for the A's revenge.

Species, he clearly stuck his hip into that. Man if I just had a video tape of it, I'd copy it and send it to you!

Another ironic twist. When I won the 500K prize last time PD sent me a---1977 Dodger Yearbook.
12Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 1832399
      Tue, Jun 25, 2002, 11:09
For the record, I've seen that video plenty of times and I think he stuck his hip out on purpose, too.
13Species
      Sustainer
      ID: 304521510
      Tue, Jun 25, 2002, 11:29
Thanks for the feedback my friends. Something like this isn't for everyone, but for those that get it, you get it. Period.

Ref - Just joking of course on Jackson and the 78 Series. You guys kinda got jobbed on that call.

MITH - Yeah, gotta love those 80's Yankees. Throw in Pagliarulo and about 12 different shortstops, even an Omar Moreno (if memory serves) and plenty of other stiffs, and those were OUR Yanks! lol

walk - sorry man. You know, as I was strolling around midtown, I nearly went into a particularly large bank building to see if you were there. But I figured your employer had so many that it would be like a needle in a haystack. Plus, I figured you were downtown anyways.....if you ever make it out to SF, allow me to volunteer to be your Pac Bell tour guide. And the "Cha-Cha Bowl" is on me.

jedman - hahahahaha. You know I love Pac Bell. There's nothing wrong with modern luxury and convenience, but compared to timeless historical significance, well, you know.....

Pictures are coming soon, I hope. I only took 150 on my buddy's digital camera! Expecting a disc in the mail soon.

Go Yanks!
14Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 1832399
      Tue, Jun 25, 2002, 11:58
Ahh Pagliarulo. Add to that Don Baylor and Ken Griffey (even if he did hate every moment he spent as a Yankee I still love him for that catch in the stands) and think what might have been if Andre Robertson was never in that car accident.
15JeffG
      Sustainer
      ID: 40451227
      Tue, Jun 25, 2002, 13:35
Ok, I go away for a 4-day weekend and come back to find a thread on my favorite baseball topic - Yankee Stadium.

Great tale Species. You really captured how the senses are all stimulated to the extreme when you visit the Cathedrial of Baseball. The sites, sounds, tastes, smells and textures are all there to soak in. You can feel the ghosts too and look at spots on the field and relive some past highlight that you have only seen in replays, or imagine the face of some Yankee of the past. I cannot tell you how many times I have looked at an empty home plate area right before the teams take the field and experience a 'Thurm moment'.

I am lucky enough to go to 30 plus games a year and still get a buzz when I walk through the dark entry portals to the seating area and first see the field in my sights.

A few months ago, when visiting my parents, my father pulled out some old family slides to show my 3 year old daughter pictures of me as a kid. We came upon a long forgotton photo of me in 1969 at 8 years old standing in old Yankee Stadium with the facade and field in the background. Needless to say, that is now being put to photo paper and will be a framed to display proudly somewhere in my home.
16Willix
      Sustainer
      ID: 354401513
      Tue, Jun 25, 2002, 15:58
Species, great thread! You should become a writer if you aren't already. That was a wonderful yarn about your first trip to Yankee Stadium.
I, myself, am 31 and originally an O's fan. Growing up in South Florida, I adopted the O's from the first Spring Training game my dad took me to at Bobby Maduro Stadium when I was around seven years old. I believe Eddie Murray was a rookie on that team so it must have been 1978. Those were the pre-Ripken days. Now I cheer mainly for the hometown Marlins and occasionally peek at what the O's are doing. Angelos ruined my favorite team, and it is hard to cheer for them anymore.

Getting back to your Yankee Stadium experience, I lived the same memory a few years back. Your testimony is just like I remember it, except my buddy and I drove to the Stadium from Long Island. We sat behind home plate and had a great time. Ken Griffey Jr. hit a HR for the visiting Mariners, there was a bench clearing brawl, a crazy fan ran to CF trying to get Griffey's autograph, and the Yankees got blown out! It was a great day indeed. Remember, I'm an O's fan and dislike the Yanks and that damn Jeffrey Mair kid! The O's were robbed! :)

Seriously though, I do "get it" Species. My friend and I try to get to at least one ballpark every summer. We have been to Yankee stadium, Fenway, Wrigley, Camden Yards, Turner Field, Pac Bell, and got to see Tiger Stadium right before they tore it down. There is nothing like the old ballparks with the history and tradition. I make it to a few games at Joe Robbie every year, but you can understand when I say that the feeling isn't quite the same. Next on our ballpark list is Kansas City while we are there for the FSU kickoff classic in August. (I was at Coors Field Sunday, but had to catch a flight so I never actually got in the stadium. Doesn't really count in my book as being "there". Oh well.)

Thanks again for the great story Species. Enjoy the garlic fries at Pac Bell.

-Willix
17JW
      Leader
      ID: 83441917
      Tue, Jun 25, 2002, 18:20
Species – congratulations both on your pilgrimage and on your great description of it . This thread is spookily like one I had fully intended to start last month but never quite got around to for reasons that may become apparent.

In my case it was a return visit, my first in 32 years (see, almost the same time-span). Old-timers on these boards are sick to the back teeth of my tale (what’s that old gag about the shortstop who was like the Ancient Mariner – he stoppeth one in three?) so I’ll give it quickly – three and a half formative years spent in NYC in the late sixties followed by permanent exile to my Irish homeland, separating me seemingly forever from my beloved Yanks. My few return visits have never coincided with a Yankee homestand (I know, bad planning) and it was not until last summer when my thoughtful wife, returning from a business trip to N.Y., suggested that I might take a weekend myself. It almost happened last September but didn’t. As it happened I would have been leaving for home on the evening of the 10th. What happened that next awful day made me determined to return in solidarity with the city of my childhood.

So everything was set. I spent a gleeful few months planning my return visit via the Internet. And when the morning of Sunday, May 5th dawned beautifully, I made my very early way to the Stadium. In my case two hours before game-time was just enough to be allowed access to the holy-of-holies, Monument Park. I asked the guy in line behind me to take my picture beside The Mick’s plaque, more to prove to myself that I’d been there than for anyone else’s benefit. Lunched on Italian sausage and beer at the outdoor café, then took my place in the tier boxes directly behind home-plate with a magnificent view (more good advice from the Net) and waited in anticipation. And then …

Well, not much really; Boomer didn’t have his good stuff (frequent occurrence these days) and couldn’t close down the Mariners inning after inning, pesky Ichiro fashioned runs out of not much, Joel Pineiro (former star of my 500K team!) cooled off Yankee bats that didn’t look too hot anyway, Ruben Sierra (irony-of-ironies) contributed a two-run dinger and only a blast from Bernie in the ninth put a semblance of respectability on the scoreline. In short the Yankees, perhaps in honor of my return, played like they used to do in 1970 (yes, Dave R, I remember Horace Clarke).

Don’t get me wrong, everything else about the visit was a joy. A better game from a Yankee point of view would have been the icing on the cake. But that’s probably the reason why I didn’t rush home and share with my fellow Gurupies.

A cheering note to end on. I had often regaled/bored people (not least on these boards) with the story of my very first visit to the Stadium as a ten-year old. But as the years went on, I began to wonder how much was memory and how much embellishment – did Mickey Mantle really hit his final home-run in our direction? So the morning after the Mariner game I took myself off to the Public Library with a vague notion of when the game might have been and whadya know? I was right all along; the Mantle homer, a blast from Yaz to win the game for the Bosox, everything as I’d remembered it. And I now have the photocopies to prove it!.
18j o s h
      ID: 525122111
      Tue, Jun 25, 2002, 18:54
Spiecies - you lucky bas....:)

I't's been on my list of things to do since 64 when Stottlemyre was a rookie.
I'm also on the left coast, so it's gunna be quite a hike. (i did do woodstock)
...and fwiw Reggie did everything humanly possable to avoid being hit on his rump, short of diving into the outfield.
19j o s h
      ID: 27733621
      Wed, Aug 06, 2008, 22:53
I've never been to New York. I'm from Bend Oregon. (a country bumkin) I have tickets to the (August 28th) last Boston game at Yankee Stadium. We were hopng to find a nice Hotel nearby maybe in the $200 a night range. We want 4 nights cause we'd also like to see the Bronx Zoo and maybe the Statue of Liberty. My wife was looking at places like the Westin or other Starwood Hotels near Times Square, but we really don't want to spend $800 per night. Any help would be appreciated.
20blue hen
      ID: 86502521
      Wed, Aug 06, 2008, 23:46
I heartily recommend the Ramada on 30th and Lexington. 3 minute walk to the subway that takes you right there (with one platform-crossing). Very safe, fun neighborhood and usually nicely priced, except for last weekend.

Short of that, I'd also recommend Hotel 31 or Hotel 17 (same owner) which are a little cozy but clean and safe.

If you're actually going to spend $800, I recommend the Gramercy Park Hotel. Just make sure they give you a key.
21angryCHAIR
      ID: 561401810
      Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 10:24
j o s h--

I am in Portland! I made my 1st trip on June 29, 2004 to see the Red Sox play the Yanks! It was an unbelievable experience! One I had dreamed of as a kid. Have a blast man!

I recommend the Circleline cruise. We did the "full island" trip. As an Oregonian---I enjoyed the trip---you get a great shot of Yankee Stadium, Statue of Liberty, Grant's tomb, 7 bridges, trivial facts, etc. We felt it was inexspensive for what you get.

Circle-line
22Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, Aug 07, 2008, 11:43
Wow what a blast from the past!!

josh - it's about damn time! At least you picked a fairly historic regular season game - props to you for that. ENJOY! It will be great.

I'm not sure blue hen's Hotel 31 or Hotel 17 recommendations are okay though if you are bringing the wife. You don't have a private bathroom and you know how women are!! ;-) I stayed at Hotel 17, and the room was about the size of a jail cell (lol). But for me by myself it worked perfectly and was very well located.

Be sure to post about your trip!
23j o s h
      ID: 407401211
      Tue, Aug 12, 2008, 12:54
Thanks guys. My wife is a lil nervous about the whole thing, I think the Ramada might be do-able. I'll let ya know. The tickets (in hand) are "Boston 1:05 PM Field Champ Gate 4 Section 1 Box 5 Row G seats 3 and 4." Pretty sweet. :-) Got the Bronx Zoo tickets and The circle Line was already being looked into and is probabably what we'll do. Thanks much.
24blue hen
      ID: 30311814
      Tue, Aug 12, 2008, 12:59
Get the stadium tour if you can, and reserve it in advance. Also, you can leave the wifey to do some shopping and take your favorite Hen to the game...
25 Tree
      ID: 67581211
      Tue, Aug 12, 2008, 13:01
you also might look in Sunnyside, Queens. there is a decent La Quinta Inn on Queens Blvd, and a brand new Days in there as well.

both are within a block or two of the 7 train, and you can take that just a few stops to Grand Central, where you can transfer to the 4 and go directly to Yankee stadium.

i've had friends stay in the La Quinta for well under 200 bucks a night. it's not manhattan, but it is literally a 10 minute subway ride in, in a perfectly safe neighborhood (i live a few blocks away).

if you need more info/specifics, don't hesitate to email me.

(also - regarding the Bronx Zoo - choose your battles. it's impossible to do the whole thing in a day!)
26blue hen
      ID: 30311814
      Tue, Aug 12, 2008, 14:32
While Tree's suggestion is a possibility, if you're not a New Yorker, you might struggle with a 10-minute subway ride. You're far off the grid at that point and while it's absolutely a safe place, it could be disconcerting. You're better off staying in Manhattan.

The Bronx Zoo is pretty nice, but not a must-see, in my opinion. Especially if you live in a city that has a zoo.
27Tree
      ID: 67581211
      Tue, Aug 12, 2008, 14:39
While Tree's suggestion is a possibility, if you're not a New Yorker, you might struggle with a 10-minute subway ride. You're far off the grid at that point and while it's absolutely a safe place, it could be disconcerting. You're better off staying in Manhattan.

far off the grid??? there are plenty of places in manhattan that are much further off the grid that the neighborhood in question. if you'd actually leave your enclave of manhattan, you might discover this. :o)



28blue hen
      ID: 30311814
      Tue, Aug 12, 2008, 15:09
I think I qualify as a "non-New Yorker" much better than you do, for what it's worth. But fine.

That said, the Ramada is about a 5 minute walk from my house, and I have a standing promise to share a drink with any Gurupie who happens by.
29Ender
      ID: 5963859
      Tue, Aug 26, 2008, 15:21
Species, I didn't have your email handy so I thought I'd post here.

Have you and WaB thought of working your magic on the FFOC $1,000,000 fantasy football contest? It seems that your strategy in some previous games may work well here. I don't have the resources to make it happen myself, but you might.

FFOC
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