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Subject: What is a walkoff home run
Posted by: slug
- Donor [555102417] Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 14:04
Is there an official definition of a walkoff home run? Can you also have a walkoff single/double/triple? I don't follow closely (obviously) and this is the first year I've heard the term used. |
| 1 | Perm Dude
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ID: 19652912
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 14:06
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Used to be called a "game winning home run" which occured in the bottom of the last inning of a game. Now they use the term for any hit which wins a game in the bottom of the last inning.
pd
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| 2 | Go Easy
Donor
ID: 43626411
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 14:07
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Yes there can be walk off all of the mentioned above. As far as I can remember the term became popular (probably from ESPN) about 2 to 3 years ago. Used to always be game ending homerun, etc.. I Never really caught onto to the walk off thing.
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| 3 | slug
Donor
ID: 555102417
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 14:12
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I see. I was trying to fit a walk (4 balls) into the definition somehow. But I guess they mean it as walkoff the field or something like that. Seems a lot more confusing than game-winning, but whatever floats your boat.
Thanks for the info.
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| 5 | Tu Papi
ID: 42419289
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 14:14
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I think it has to be a game winning homerun by the HOME team only. Otherwise, the game would go to the bottom of the inning.
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| 6 | Go Easy
Donor
ID: 43626411
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 14:18
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Actually it can be a game winning homerun by the visitor as long as that homerun is still the deciding factor. I would think it could only be game ending if it were by a the home team. I remember when they kept the stat of game winning hits. I always like that stat. Never figured out why they did away with it.
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| 7 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 14:25
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The stat you're referring to was "game winning rbi, no? It was often pointless because it would so often happen early or be the first run scored in the game and thus didn't really show anything about "clutch" beyond regular hitting with runners on base.
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| 8 | patjams
ID: 266411212
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 14:27
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It's called a "walk off" because when you hit it the only thing the other team (the visitors) can do is walk off the field. The World Series a couple of years ago ended on a "walk off" walk. It cannot be a game winning homerun by the visitor because the home team doesn't walk off the field due to there being another half inning to play. A home run by the visitors in the top half of the inning that becomes the deciding run is a "game winning" homerun.
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| 9 | Ender
ID: 13443221
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 14:29
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Anybody can hit a game winning homerun at any point in the game (1st inning of a 1 - 0 final), but only the home team can hit a "walkoff" homerun i.e. game ends immediately when the batter crosses home plate and the teams walk off the field. The same could be applied to a single double or triple (though obviously the batter wouldn't score), but you usually don't hear it that way.
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| 10 | KrazyKoalaBears
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ID: 266182910
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 14:42
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Ender hits it. There is a difference between a GW HR and a "Walkoff" HR (or other hit). Technically, a Walkoff HR is a GW HR, but a GW HR is not necessarily a Walkoff HR. For instance, if the game ends 1-0 and the lone run was a HR in the 2nd inning, then it's just a GW HR. However, if the games ends 0-1 -- win for the home team -- and the run was scored in the 9th inning, then it's both a GW HR and a Walkoff HR. Only the home team can have a Walkoff HR because no matter what the away team does, the home team will still take the field for the bottom of the inning, thus no "walking off" for the evening. For all the above, you can substitute any type of run scoring action, including a single, double, triple, bunt, sac, etc.
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| 11 | Go Easy
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ID: 43626411
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 14:52
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That's why I say "walk off" used to be referred to as game ending. The lingo changed in the last couple of years. I guess somebody got tired of "game ending" and decided "walk off" was much better.
MITH, I wasn't thinking game winning RBI was the stat. I was thinking game winning hit but I could be wrong. A guy could get a game winning RBI on a fielders choice. I always remembered it as game winning hit. And yes I know what you said about often being so early in a game is why it went away. I'll still stick by my statement of I don't know why they did away with the stat. I thought it was good no matter when it happened. Always remember Keith Hernandez was alway leading my Cards in that stat.
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| 12 | The Left Wings
ID: 760719
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 14:54
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I just thought that a walk-off homerun is when the ball was crushed so hard that there was no doubt when the batter connected that the game was over. Everybody knew that game has ended even before the ball went out of the yard, therefore the player just walks around the base instead of running around them. It's like when Barry Bonds hits a homerun and he walks the first few steps while admiring it before he begins to jog around the bases. But it has to be the last play of the game.
That's what I figured from all the play-by-plays that involved the term "walk-off homerun".
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| 13 | Go Easy
Donor
ID: 43626411
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 15:00
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So I guess there could also be a "walk off" work stoppage?
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| 14 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 15:06
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Pretty sure gwrbi was the stat, but I could certainly be wrong. Regardless, what difference does it make if an rbi single in the 3rd inning wound up being the game winner or not? Why should the value of that hit depend on whether a few runs get scored later in the game? The stat was pointless because there are way too many factors outside of the hitter's control that contribute to whether any given rbi (or hit or whatever) in the game might end up being the game winner. I remember the idea of only counting the stat when it occurs in the later innings being tossed around, but I guess the powers that be rejcted that too.
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| 15 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 15:08
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Game winning RBI
Game winning runs batted in were once an official record kept by major league baseball. The statistic started in 1980 and ended eight years later.
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| 16 | Perm Dude
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ID: 19652912
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 15:12
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Yeah, the stat was discounted for the very reason you pointed out, MITH. A hit which puts a team up 2-1 in a game they later win 12-11 (so long as they don't give up the lead) was the same as a beamer in the bottom of the ninth.
pd
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| 17 | The Left Wings
ID: 760719
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 15:17
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Is that the same as a kack in the bottom of the ninth?
=)
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| 18 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 15:20
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Only if the home team is down by 1 - 3 runs. Could also be the same as a bases loaded HBP in the 1st.
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| 19 | Perm Dude
Leader
ID: 19652912
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 15:21
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There was some backlash on the Tonight's Action threads about the continued use of the term "kack," so I suggested a number of alternatives, including "beamer."
Post #43 of this thread.
pd
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| 20 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 1832399
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 15:22
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Game winning wanker?
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| 21 | patjams
ID: 266411212
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 15:23
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KKB, RE:#10 This I know for sure, the home team NEVER takes the field in the bottom half of an inning. ;O)
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| 22 | The Left Wings
ID: 760719
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 15:24
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Yeah I know what you're talking about PD. I had a good laugh when I saw that post last week.
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| 23 | KrazyKoalaBears
Donor
ID: 266182910
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 15:26
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DOH! Meant to say that the home team would get to bat and that the away team would still have to take the field. It's been a loooooooooong day. ;)
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| 24 | Perm Dude
Leader
ID: 19652912
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 15:29
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I thought "tart" might work, but "beamer" seems to have the early lead.
pd
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| 25 | The Left Wings
ID: 760719
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 15:34
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I know.
"Eric Hinske steps up to the box... (omitting a conversation of how good this kid is)... first pitch... he swings at it and hit it hard... it could be... it IS!!! Eric Hinske with the walk-off Perm Dude to end the game! The Jays win the game 7-6 and the series 3-1!"
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| 26 | butt
ID: 136521515
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 15:52
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Just curious: Does walk receive royalties every time "walk-off home run" is used?
Inasmuch as ESPN has tried to pound that term into the baseball vernacular, this year's overused, artificially introduced phrase (especially on BBTN) seems to be "filty" pitching.
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| 27 | Bungers
Leader
ID: 5311343110
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 16:57
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I think walk receives the same amount in royalties that you do when someone butts a thread. ;)
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| 28 | butt
ID: 466421517
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 17:42
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D'oh! ... "filty" = "filthy."
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| 29 | Ender
ID: 13443221
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 17:46
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That's pretty funny, but not near as funny as the fact that a guy named Bungers is pointing out something to a guy named butt ;)
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| 30 | Bungers
Leader
ID: 5311343110
Mon, Jul 15, 2002, 18:08
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...and then a guy named Ender joins in the chatter tongue-in-cheek. :)
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| 31 | Go Easy
Donor
ID: 4169169
Tue, Jul 16, 2002, 10:37
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Thanks MITH. For some reason I was thinking game winning hit. I still liked the stat regardless of how meaningless it was. Maybe they should make the stat "walk off RBI"
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| 32 | Motley Crue
Donor
ID: 53857
Wed, Jul 17, 2002, 11:34
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Patjams, post # 8. You said the World Series ended on a walk-off walk. Are you sure about that? I mean, I can rememeber the last 10 World Series' or so and I don't remember ANY walk-off walks in any of those games. When did this happen? I do remember the Mets losing to the Braves in the NLCS 2 or 3 years ago on a walk-off walk.
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| 33 | Joe Carter
ID: 186511723
Wed, Jul 17, 2002, 23:51
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Mitch Williams hasn't forgotten game 6 of the '93 World Series.
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