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Subject: Roster & Strategy Discussion, Ultimate basball.
Posted by: Texas Flood
- [311039208] Sun, Mar 09, 2003, 15:35
i did not play ultimate baseball last year and this is my first attempt in putting a team together in two years. i'm just now getting back into the swing of things.
my roster is as follows:
SP Randy Johnson
SP Pedro Martinez
SP Johan Santana
SP Brad Radke
SP Ricardo Rodriguez
my thinking with these pitchers is to go with a Randy>Schilling>Randy rotation the first week while holding Pedro. i would like to conserve a pitcher trade during the first week. i'm thinking Brad Radke can be held for a while unless he's just terrible. Santana and Rodriguez are hunches but i feel pretty good about santana and whatever rodriguez gives me is a bonus.
my hitters are:
C Javy Lopez
1B Heep Seop Choi
2B Sean Burroughs
3B Joe Crede
SS Chris Woodward
OF Darin Erastd, Jermaine Dye & Micheal Cuddyer
DH Nick Johnson
I think Lopez should bounce back and he's cheap. i'm hoping a couple of the youngsters work out i espically like woodward, Crede, Cuddyer & Choi.
Johnson should get plenty of AB's. He did'nt embarass himself last year and should continue to improve. Erstad and Dye, well what you see is what you get. Burroughs who knows, things don't look great for him now but he's cheap and that what trades a for.
I have no idea if "Randro" is still a viable strategy or if the game favors the "Two Headed Monster". My thinking is to try and make some early cash and see where that takes me during the first few weeks of the season. i put this team together with that in mind.
one other note i really had a hard time leaving Griffey undrafted after those HR's yesterday. good luck to everyone! |
| 1 | Mikel
ID: 53104199
Sun, Mar 09, 2003, 20:58
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If you didn't know already. Price changes are based of of the last 5 days for pitchers. Rotating for money, really doesn't work.
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| 3 | Texas Flood
ID: 311039208
Sun, Mar 09, 2003, 23:08
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Mikel, thanks for that little tid-bit. i guess i had better go read the rules. Are the hitters still repriced every day? i guess from a points only perspective then it still makes sense to rotate pitchers as we did before? it will be nice not to have to worry about daily price increases-decreases.
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| 4 | Texas Flood
ID: 311039208
Sun, Mar 09, 2003, 23:24
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all players prices change every day. pitchers daily price changes are based on the previous 5 days of buys/sells. hitters prices are based on the previous days buys/sells. i guess "Randro" is a dead issue and tarding pitchers for cash is limited. i'll be willing to bet the days of the 120 mil roster are now gone too.
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| 5 | Rogue Nine
ID: 2624472
Sun, Mar 09, 2003, 23:47
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Right on both accounts. Randro was still partially used, since the points were still there, but going to 2HM was a more viable strategy, while saving up trades for a guru-rotation. Also, roster values were down big time last year. Even the top dogs had need of a couple cheapies the last week of the season.
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| 6 | Johnny Sue
ID: 282511011
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 13:16
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Looking at starting with some semblance of Unit and a bunch of cheapies as well. The early Oakland-Seattle Japanese trip causes me concern. As such, I'll not draft any of those players on my team.
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| 7 | Texas Flood
ID: 2729416
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 14:47
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i just went Nick Johnson>Javier Nady as Nady has a starting OF job locked up accoding to roto wire. Jaque Jones is looking awfully good to me right now at just 4.49. i'm also thinking Robert Fick might be a good pick. i've read(roto wire) that he quit drinking and is motivated to have a good season as he wants to play for the Braves for a long time. I don't think either one of these guys will be huge price movers but they may provide some stability early in the season when pirce changes are all over the place.
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| 8 | biliruben
Sustainer
ID: 49132614
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 15:06
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I would seriously doubt converting him to a fickin' tee-totaler is going to turn him into the second-coming of Jason Giambi. The dude just sucks, boozer or no.
Nady - I think you may be over-stating his PT guarantees. They said he has the inside track, but didn't say the job was his.
You can decide for yourself.
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| 9 | Texas Flood
ID: 40211014
Mon, Mar 10, 2003, 17:35
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biliruben, yeah but he (Fick) may turn into the 2nd comming of Mientkiewicaqack;). who know's, you may be right. I'm stickin with Nady for now becasue i don't see anyone any better in that price range and what the heck that's what trades are for.
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| 10 | Texas Flood
ID: 40211014
Tue, Mar 11, 2003, 16:39
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is it just me or has something happend here at rotoguru? a couple of seasons ago this site would have been teeming with smallworld threads, information and general discussion. what's happened? i miss the "pink pimp", "madman's" brilliant essays, "WAB" and his clever banter and yes even the dreaded "adam's g-men".
mabye time has just passed me by but i feel like i've traveled to a different dimension or plane. help i'm lost and i can't get back;).
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| 11 | Rogue Nine
ID: 58251015
Tue, Mar 11, 2003, 16:57
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Alot of us have started playing roto more, but its also early. I've made one TSN team, but its a really rough draft and will be changed alot before the season starts. We're still barely into ST... Patience. :)
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| 12 | beastiemiked
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ID: 29145419
Tue, Mar 11, 2003, 18:06
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Everybody is drafting their roto teams right now. Give this board 2 weeks and it'll be kicking. Also, a lot of gurupies, including myself, discuss strategy on AIM.
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| 13 | biliruben
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ID: 49132614
Tue, Mar 11, 2003, 18:11
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I think there are a two main reasons for the decrease in SW discussion, beyond timing and roto drafts:
1 - The strategy just hasn't changed much. We have talked the strategies to death over the last 5 years, so there isn't much new material to cover.
2 - Money. Because TSN has started charging, folks want to get their outlay back. The odds of you doing that declines with your competition's increased knowledge.
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| 14 | Texas Flood
ID: 311039208
Tue, Mar 11, 2003, 19:30
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oh yeah, money i almost forgot about that. I'm already trying to figure out how i can spend all my winnings. Mrs. Flood thinks we need to remodel the kitchen;).
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| 15 | biliruben
Sustainer
ID: 49132614
Tue, Mar 11, 2003, 19:37
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Yeah - it sucks that it may have affected to comraderie of this board, but that's capitalism for you. A flawed economic system if there ever was one. Personally, I didn't play last year, and won't be playing this year, so I am more than willing to offer general advice. Because I'm not playing, specific advice is too much work!
I'd hope I would have the same attitude if I were playing, however, and continue to join in the advice and banter. I hope other do to, for the sake of the quality of the board.
AIM is evil. ;)
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| 16 | smallwhirled
Donor
ID: 17152614
Tue, Mar 11, 2003, 19:37
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I'm always game to discuss things, it just seems like people aren't interested. Fine with me though as long as AIM is around and a couple of buddies.
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| 17 | GoatLocker
ID: 60151121
Tue, Mar 11, 2003, 20:46
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Hey TF,
Good to see you around.
Will drop a couple of thoughts later.
Busy doing Roto Drafts right now.
Cliff
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| 18 | JC REB
Leader
ID: 5212816
Wed, Mar 12, 2003, 10:57
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I am an infrequent poster here, but I do enjoy reading the baseball strategy discussions. I don't usually have anything new to add, as some of the brighter minds here have usually already covered any points that I could make. I found these boards in late 2001, read most of the previous discussions, particulary those about management of pitching trades, and I benefitted in improved WWR last year as a result.The discussions prior to last season re the 5 day pitcher pricing were also very helpful, although even with the very accurate predictions made here, I still did not handle it as well as I should have. I noted the earlier topic re 2003 strategy, started ( I believe by Smallwhirled) , and had hoped that there would be some good discussions generated, but there was very little response. Thanks to Texas Flood for starting this thread, and hopefully it will generate some strategy discussions. IMHO, there are very significant changes to the Ultimate TSN game this year, that will affect strategy. The multiple positions for hitters require managers to look at a bigger menu of players for each position, and should result in more opening day roster diversity. It will also require ( for me at least) more player research, and will be a key to planning hitter trades, similar to its use in hoops. The DH is also a challenge , my take on this is to fill all other positions first, with the best mix that I can , then use remaining cash to pick the DH. Re prices, my take on it, w/o any stats to back it up, is that the opening prices seem deflated vs last year, except for a couple of stud exceptions. Does anyone have a way to actually make a comparsion ? If they are significantly deflated, then opening rosters would not be as dependant on cheapies as in past seasons. One last thought, my pitching strategy last year was to get to 3HM asap, try to save trades, and guru-rotate a mid-price slot. This year, I'm going with the emerging studs such as Zito, Burnett, Oswalt etc, and passing on Randy, Pedro , Schilling , at least early on. Reb
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| 19 | walk
Leader
ID: 4112711
Wed, Mar 12, 2003, 11:44
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Yeah, I, too, was surprised at the few smallworld threads compared to the roto threads. I would be dismayed to believe, bili that:
a) you are not playing. why not?
b) that folks are reluctant to post because it might affect the likelihood of them getting their money back. Oy veh. $35? As if. Whatever, $35 to me is different than $35 to others.
I am playing, three teams, hoping that bookie takes one off my hands.
I have one team in Guru's division and one team in the infamous Belly division. I will not win either, but am in both to increase the competitive juices, and to be involved in the belly forum thread which is usually the most active. The Belly is good!
Regarding strategy, I do agree with the comment that (even with the 5-day pitching price lag), we have less and less novel strategy discussion to offer year in and year out. However, this new multiple position format ought to offer some intriguing discussion points.
TF, as to some of the persons you mentioned, the eloquent talkers of boards past, Madman no longer plays nor does WaB (but the former is quite active, amongst an elite group of intellectuals, in the politics forum and the latter, along with many other ex-smallworld-a-holics, actively plays other fantasy games.).
I will continue to intermittently chime in, but have little wisdom to offer on baseball. The strategy here is less compelling than in hockey (or hoops, which I venture to guess is more similar). Football is strategy-less, but with baseball, the pitching rotation/price change formula is the truly intriguing element that will lead to strategy talk.
I gather, from what others have said, this talk will increase mucho as the season draws closer and after folks complete their rotisserie drafts.
For me, I usually assemble my teams early, and then tinker right up until opening day. I use these boards, rotoworld, etc. to determine who the starters are, and then make changes as necessary. Regarding my line-up, I feel compelled to have 1 stud pitcher to start the season (Schilling, Pedro or RJ), and then basically look for values at every position. I am inclined to have A-Rod to start for a change, as he usually starts off well and plays every game, and only increases in price. I have never started out though with A-Rod on my team.
Along these lines, I would have Soriano on my teams as well, as I think he will have another great year, but he is semi-playing injured right now with some kinda shoulder troubles. So, I am leary. I am inclined to have Kent instead, but I am not recalling Kent starting off well in seasons past.
Finally, similarly, I am wondering if I can figure out a way to also have Bonds on my team to start. He seems to still hit HRs at a pace like no other, and can offer a competitive advantage. However, I do not know enough cheapies to offset his price tag.
What a mouthful of nothing. See why the boards are not as active as they were? Nothing much to say.
TF: Keep us honest though. I recall your presence on the football boards for some time now and we need more folks calling us to talk strategy and whatnot.
cheers,
- walk
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| 20 | MyDodgers
ID: 180471720
Wed, Mar 12, 2003, 11:58
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At this moment I am planning on fielding a group of pitchers that will nearly all start twice in week one, in order to save all those trades and then jump into a rotation. In years past it was the three headed monster but this year I might try the guru rotation. I usually dont do real well but I have fun. I believe that Pudge should be started at catcher as he has some things to prove to a new team after an injury plagued season. Further I will prolly have Bonds or PayRod on my roster to start. AFter that, SHOW ME THE CHEAPIES.
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| 21 | biliruben
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ID: 49132614
Wed, Mar 12, 2003, 12:31
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Walk - Impending doom (aka marriage) and the spoils (aka honeymoon) will take up a good part of my summer, so there is no possible way I could competitively field a SW team, even if the bug bit me again. Roto has replaced SW as my game of choice these days. Join the Old-timey Gurupies!
I agree, money is probably only a small issue, and likely not affecting most folks decisions to discuss. At least I hope that's the case.
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| 22 | walk
Leader
ID: 4112711
Wed, Mar 12, 2003, 12:40
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congrat's bili! Good to hear. I have been married for 7 years now. And you can still play rot/fantasy afterwards.
;-)
Now, about your roto in lieu of fantasy: I am still stuck on the market/price thing that smallworld offers. Just love that approach. Rotissiere is probably also very good, but I am not the best when it comes to "change.
- walk
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| 23 | Texas Flood
ID: 40211014
Wed, Mar 12, 2003, 14:03
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Walk, thanks for the kind words. Biliruben congrats on your impeding doom;). I play rotisserie baseball too. I've been in a league with the same bunch of crazies many many years. We were there in the begining with Glenn Waggoner and that crew. Only they were smart enough to write the books,lol! Actually they were the insparation for our league. We have our face to face draft comming up shortly after the season starts. It's about 12 hour marathon. We use the auction format and ulta rules with a minor league draft. Of course it's a keeper league. How else could i own Alfonso Soriano at just $4?
I did'nt play last summer because my daughter met her doom (got married). For that entire spring and early summer i was Mrs. Flood's gopher, slave and human money machine. I also got hooked on "Whatif" sports (cheaper and better than strat-o-matic). For some reason i seemed to hear the "Smallworld" voices calling again. Anyway it's good to be back and i promise the next post will be more on topic. TF
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| 24 | Rogue Nine
ID: 58251015
Wed, Mar 12, 2003, 14:22
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I considered starting with Arod and/or Kent, but soon found myself out of money. If anything JC REB, I'm finding the prices to be just about right. Lots of potential bargains, but they still cost enough that we can't have all of them.
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| 25 | cancermoon
ID: 291562817
Wed, Mar 12, 2003, 19:22
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I think starting with studs the price of ARod, Soriano, kent, Bonds etc really restricts financial freedom when it comes to trading into early money trains, i think maybe since money is the most important thing early on, it could require wasted trades to free up money for necessary movements.
I think i will try to start with 2 stud pitchers, and basically take their early points as i find who to trade into for money trains, that way I am basically holding RJ on a high interest every day account making me great interest while i find what i want to spend the money on. Now I have said that I am thinking maybe DH is a good place to have the expensive hitting stud, so a quick trade into a train at any hitting position is possible without wasting unnecessary trades.
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| 26 | Dave R is my hero
ID: 40746414
Wed, Mar 12, 2003, 19:32
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Baseball is my favorite sport by far to attend in person. I love afternoon day games, green grass and warm sunshine (although we don't get much of the latter in SF). It is not my favorite fantasy game by far, but I am hooked and will field 3 teams again this year, Patron,Belly, and Puget Sound. Being in a top position in hoops has and will cut into my research time for baseball. I almost didn't sign up this year, just the thought of pitcher rotations made me question my desire.
I have no clue as to the cheapies that might blossom. I threw one roster together real quick and it was only $57 mill. Bonds at 8.3 mill seems a bargain to me. I like the Oakland pitchers, maybe too much as I attend quite a few A's games as well as Giants. I am hoping to get more enlightened as Spring Training comes to an end and positions are more solidified. I am determined to start with some c(losers) because it seems to me early in the season the starters don't go as deep into the games as later on.
I do tend to do more of my strategy talk with AIM these days, it's more personal and lets me interact with the guys who have become my good friends here on the boards.
I will vow to post more in baseball and try to create some decent discussion.
For those of you who wonder why the name change, you'll have to ask PGunn.
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| 27 | smallwhirled
Donor
ID: 17152614
Wed, Mar 12, 2003, 20:19
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As pointed out in the thread that I created a few weeks ago, players with low ownership and the highest price upside is the way to go. That way you make offensive trades instead of RV preserving defensive trades.
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