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Subject: Unbreakable Records
Posted by: beastiemiked
- Sustainer [3531815] Fri, Nov 14, 2003, 11:15
Here are some hitting records that I think will never be broken(all records after 1900):
Single Season BA - Nap Lajoe .4265
The closest player to this record in recent years was Tony Gwynn in 1994 with a .3938 average. Considering he's one of the best hitters in the past 30 years and he only came within 30 points of the record this record is pretty safe.
Career BA - Ty Cobb .3664
The active leader is Todd Helton with a .337 average. In his 6 full seasons of playing he's only hit above .366 one time.
Career Slg% - Babe Ruth .6897
Nobody is even close to him. This record is safe.
Career OBP% - Ted Williams .4817
Ditto from above.
Career ab's - Pete Rose 14053
Rickey Henderson has played in 4 different decades yet he's still 3100 ab's short of Rose.
Single season runs - Babe Ruth 177
Bagwell is the only recent player to break 150 runs, 152 in 2000. Even then he was still 25 short of Ruth.
Career hits - Pete Rose 4256
No active player is even remotely close to this record(there's only 13 halfway there). It's safe for at least another 10-15 years.
Career doubles - Tris Speaker 792
That's about 20 years of averaging 40 doubles a year. Most players break into the league too late to even have a shot at this record. Also, with ballparks smaller than in the past a lot of ball that used to be double are now homeruns.
Single season triples - Chief Wilson 36
Only one active player has had more than 20 triples in one season(Christian Guzman had 20 in 2000).
Career triples - Sam Crawford 309
One of the safest records out there. I would've never guessed the active leader. It's Steve Finley with 108.
Single season SB's - Rickey Henderson 130
Stolen bases is a lost art in baseball. Even if they regain popularity the chances of breaking this record is slim.
Career SB's - Rickey Henderson 1406
Nobody in the same league as Henderson. This is another one of the safest records.
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| 1 | Farn
Sustainer
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Fri, Nov 14, 2003, 11:17
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some good choices.
I think you can add Dimaggio's 56 to that list.
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| 2 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
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Fri, Nov 14, 2003, 11:19
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Here's where I got all my info.
Baseball Reference
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| 3 | Perm Dude
Dude
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Fri, Nov 14, 2003, 11:24
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I think Rickey is going to have to become a player/manager and insert himself into some games to get that GP record (it allowed Rose to pull away from Yaz when he went to Cincinnati).
Good stuff. I agree with you on many of these.
pd
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| 4 | blue hen
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Fri, Nov 14, 2003, 14:46
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DiMaggio is my pick.
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| 5 | KnicksFan
Donor
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Fri, Nov 14, 2003, 14:58
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Sausages Struck - Randall Simon 1
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| 6 | Dec
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Fri, Nov 14, 2003, 14:58
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Cy Young 511 Career Wins is mine
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| 7 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
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Fri, Nov 14, 2003, 15:15
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Will White's 680 innings pitched single season record.
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| 8 | chode
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Fri, Nov 14, 2003, 15:19
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Almost posted re: Cy Young, but then noticed the initial premise specifies batting records.
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| 9 | beastiemiked
Sustainer
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Fri, Nov 14, 2003, 15:42
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Sam Crawford's record is safer than Dimaggio's. At least players have come remotely close to the streak.
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| 10 | Cosmo's Cod Piece
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Fri, Nov 14, 2003, 16:50
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I pick Ripken's streak.
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| 11 | Seattle Zen
Donor
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Fri, Nov 14, 2003, 17:38
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All of those records are very unlikely to be broken, beastie, but the only record that I am ABSOLUTLEY, POSITIVELY certain will not be broken is:
Connie Mack, career losses 3948.
Tony LaRussa isn't even halfway there.
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| 13 | Khahan
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Fri, Nov 14, 2003, 17:46
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Single season runs - Babe Ruth 177
Bagwell is the only recent player to break 150 runs, 152 in 2000. Even then he was still 25 short of Ruth
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I think this one will fall. Maybe even in the near future (say next decade or so?).
The rest look pretty good.
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| 14 | Razor
Donor
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Fri, Nov 14, 2003, 19:15
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Nolan Ryan anyone? 1600 K's ahead of anyone in history. You strikeout 300 batters for 19 straight years and you are still behind. Ouch. His career walks record is even more staggering. You walk 130 batters for 20 seasons, you are still behind. Ryan was the most unique pitcher in MLB history. He owns the career records for most K's, most walks and lowest opponent batting average. If he had better control, he'd have been the greatest pitcher of all-time. If he wasn't impossible to hit, he'd have been out of the league in 5 years.
I'm interested to see how far Gagne can take the consecutive saves record. If he can take it up to 80 or 90, it won't be broken for a while.
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| 15 | blue hen
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Fri, Nov 14, 2003, 19:37
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How can Ryan be the most unique pitcher in the history of baseball when he's exactly like Kerry Wood?
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| 16 | Wilmer McLean
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Fri, Nov 14, 2003, 20:42
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From the Official MLB Calendar I found a couple of interesting hitting records and one fascinating Ricky Henderson exploit.
September 16: "On this date in 1975: The Pirates' Rennie Stennett ties and 83-year-old record by going 7 for 7 in a nine-inning game. Stennett has two multihit innings during the 22-0 slaughter of the Cubs."
August 15: "On this date in 2001: The Yankees' Jorge Posada sets a dubious record by striking out from both sides of the plate in the same inning. New York still tops Tampa Bay, 10-3."
July 29: "On this date in 1989: Oakland's Rickey Henderson steals five bases and scores four runs - without getting an official time at bat. Randy Johnson walks Henderson four times to set up the baserunning exploits. Seattles tops Oakland, anyway, 14-6."
The Official Major League Baseball Calendar is a fun day by day tidbit of baseball information, including quotes and other facts.
Like this one -
"Landmark: The first World Series was not in 1903, but 19 years earlier. In October 1894, the Providence Grays, champions of the National League, played a three-game series against the New York Metropolitans, first-place finishers in the rival American Association. After beating the Mets 6-0, 3-1, and 12-2, the press declared the Grays 'Champions of the World.'"
Mantle's 18 World Series homeruns is another seemingly unbreakable record.
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| 17 | Razor
Donor
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Fri, Nov 14, 2003, 21:48
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Wood is like Ryan, minus the horrendous control(Wood's is just bad) and the extreme longevity. The Ryan Express walked 200 batters in a year twice. Wood's career high in K's also pales in comparison to Ryan's record 383.
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| 18 | Skidazl
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Fri, Nov 14, 2003, 23:34
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Wilmer, great and interesting info, is there a website for that calendar?
Also, you meant 9 years earlier in the "Landmark:" paragraph, right? Or 1884?
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| 19 | Da Bomb
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Sat, Nov 15, 2003, 00:08
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How about records (substantial ones) that are the
most likely to be broken in the shortest amount of
time from now?
Off the top of my head, I'll say the all time home
run mark.
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| 20 | Razor
Donor
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Sat, Nov 15, 2003, 02:03
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Ya, pretty disgraceful is you ask me. Aaron's record is the greatest record in sports and he might get passed up 2 or 3 times in the next decade. His record is a testament to the greatness of one man. Any new record would just be a testament to MLB's embarrasing unwillingness to do anything about steroid abuse and willingness to use juiced balls to revive the game. An utter disgrace.
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| 21 | Texas Flood
Donor
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Sat, Nov 15, 2003, 12:28
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I'm guessing Charley Radbourn's 59 wins in a single season is safe too. along with will White's 680 IP.
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| 22 | Texas Flood
Donor
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Sat, Nov 15, 2003, 12:35
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For any of you guys/gals that love baseball history check out whatifsports.com. IMHO it's the best sim game on the internet. it's also reasonably priced.
for baseball junkies it's just the best to have fresh boxscores to look at 3 times per day.
Bob Gibson vs Barry Bonds or Curt Schilling vs Babe Ruth, take your pick:).
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| 23 | Myboyjack
Dude
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Sat, Nov 15, 2003, 14:07
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To break Bob Feller's record one would have to pitch back to back to back no-hitters.
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| 24 | Seattle Zen
Donor
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Sat, Nov 15, 2003, 15:07
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MBJ -
I think you mean Johnny Vander Meer.
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| 25 | Myboyjack
Dude
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Sat, Nov 15, 2003, 15:29
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er....yeah.
:)
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| 26 | blue hen
Leader
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Sat, Nov 15, 2003, 17:42
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Actually, Tom Drees threw back-to-back no-hitters in the minors in 1989, and no-hitters are up overall, so Vandermeer isn't the farthest fetched record out there.
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| 27 | Razor
Donor
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Sat, Nov 15, 2003, 18:19
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Accoring to this, no-hitters aren't really up
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| 28 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
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Sat, Nov 15, 2003, 18:33
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Interesting item from that article:
"Nolan Ryan is not only the all-time leader in no-hitters, he also holds the record for one-hitters and five times has had a no-hitter broken up in the ninth."
Dang.
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| 29 | Wilmer McLean
ID: 075249
Sat, Nov 15, 2003, 18:42
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18 Oops, typed incorrectly. Re-checked the calendar page - 1884.
Skidazl, the Official MLB Calendar is a less-than-a-hand sized, rip-a-page type on a plastic stand. I receive this every Christmas. The page after December 31 lists two websites: www.andrewsmcmeel.com and mlb.com. It is a product of Andrews McMeel Publishing.
For some interesting pitching info from the calendar:
September 30: "On this date in 1988: For the second straight game, Toronto's Dave Steib loses a no-hitter with two outs and two strikes in the ninth inning. Stieb will toss three one-hitters in the space of four starts, but finally get the elusive no-no in 1990"
September 29: "On this date in 1988: In his last start of the regular season, the Dodgers' Orel Hershiser pitches 10 shutout innings verses the Padres, extending his scoreless inning streak to 59 - one more than the previous record held by Dodgers announcer Don Drysdale. Since Hershiser doesn't finish the game, however, his string of five straight shutouts is snapped, leaving Drysdale's mark of six intact."
September 26: "On this date in 1908: The Cubs' Ed Reulbach becomes the first and only man to hurl two shutouts in one day. Reulbach subdues the Dodgers, 5-0 and 3-0. Dodgers owner Charles Ebbets says, 'I am delighted that no third game was scheduled.'"
September 2: "On this date in 1972: The Cubs' Milt Pappas is working on a perfect game in the ninth inning, with two outs and a 1-2 count to Padres pinch hitter Larry Stahl. Stahl takes the next three pitches, and umpire Bruce Froemming calls each a 'ball.' Pappas then retires Garry Jestadt to settle for a garden-variety no-hitter, 8-0."
June 20: "On this date in 1978: For the third straight game, the Toronto Blue Jays are defeated by a Canadian-born pitcher. Detroit's John Hiller follows the performance of the Rangers' Fergie Jenkins and Reggie Cleveland."
August 6 "On this date in 1952: At age 46, the Browns' Satchel Paige hurls a 12-inning shutout to beat the Tigers, 1-0."
Here are a couple of interesting ones.
July 31: "On this date in 1935: At a standing-room-only night game in Cincinnati, female fan Kitty Burke sneaks onto the field, grabs a bat, and steps up the plate. The Cardinals' Paul Dean obliges her with a fat pitch, and Kitty grounds out. The umpires deny Cards manager Frank Frisch's insistence that the out should count."
September 1: "On this date in 1917: Cleveland's Joe Evans lines a ball into the face of teammate Tris Speaker, who was attempting to steal home. Detroit manager Hughie Jennings allows Cleveland a 'courtesy fielder' for one inning while Speaker gets his face stitched up."
Ouchers!
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| 30 | hellotony
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Mon, Nov 24, 2003, 21:33
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1913: Just one ball is used in the Cincinnati Reds' 9-6 win against the Chicago Cubs.
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