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Subject: ROTOYAKL you're keeping WHO? forum
Posted by: yankeeh8tr
- [220171421] Fri, Jan 16, 2004, 13:48
I'm stealing Senor Rabbis' idea:Me:Question - how are we designating our keepers? I had
to delete a bunch of my emails from this thread, and don't remember if it was covered.
The brilliant rabbi quervo: i think we need to get a thread on rotoguru going... so here it is...
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| 51 | GolfFreak
Sustainer
ID: 1730209
Sat, Feb 21, 2004, 00:00
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Phil Nevin
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| 52 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118
Sat, Feb 21, 2004, 00:01
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We still have to see a final 8 from Yankeeh8er and Tree.
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| 53 | Tree
ID: 551112023
Sat, Feb 21, 2004, 00:21
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guys, i just got home a bit later than expected...will post my keepers in about 5 minutes...
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| 54 | Stealth
ID: 220561719
Sat, Feb 21, 2004, 00:25
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Has anyone seen h8er tonight? I can email him.
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| 55 | Tree
ID: 551112023
Sat, Feb 21, 2004, 00:25
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Delgado
Chavez
Reyes
Teixeira
Bonds
Chipper Jones
Prior
Mulder
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| 56 | yankeeh8tr
ID: 39124208
Sat, Feb 21, 2004, 11:58
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Sorry fellas - rough night last night - hope it doesn't effect my judgement...
Pettitte
Penny
Lowe
Dotel
Green
Nixon
Johnson
Varitek
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| 57 | Stealth
ID: 220561719
Sat, Feb 21, 2004, 13:19
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I will create a new page and let you know what the link is when its up. It shouldn't take too long, check back in the afternoon.
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| 58 | Stealth
ID: 220561719
Sun, Feb 22, 2004, 11:34
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Sorry boys, the woman had taken control of the computer yesterday. She goes on a bridal chat room, so I took advantage and treated myself to some quality XBOX time. You thought some of the arguements on this board were pointless? OOOfffffaa. Every now and then I hear things like, "Mikesgal_1234 is so funny. She has 6 bridesmaids and they are all wearing peuce. Can you believe it? Then PrettyGreenEyes235 makes fun of her about it. The girls on this board are so catty. I'm going to say something." It's like a yenta-fest.
OK, here it is. I tried to get every players available position, but I'm sure I missed some.
As I also mentioned in the email, when we were picking days to start the draft, I thought we were choosing from Fridays, not Saturdays. I do not think I realized there was a leap year. I personally would like to start on Friday because it gives us another night to work with. Obviously, if this is a problem for even one manager, I completely understand, and we will start the 13th.
What do you guys think?
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| 59 | Stealth
ID: 220561719
Sun, Feb 22, 2004, 12:21
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Post 33 is incorrect. There will be 22 total spots, not 20. 4 total bench players, not 2. I will adjust the keeper page.
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| 60 | Taxman
ID: 14116220
Sun, Feb 22, 2004, 12:46
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I am out of town on the 13th, returning late at night. However, I can keep in touch via cell phone if some one is willing to work with me> Golffreak...are you willing to repeat what we did in the GuruKeeper draft? Or anyone else. I keep my lists with me and only need to update before my pick. It is fairly simple and easy and allows the draft to continue moving.
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| 61 | Stealth
ID: 220561719
Sun, Feb 22, 2004, 13:37
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There is also a questions of who voted for the snake. If someone had changed their mind, I may not have changed my notes. I no longer have the link, or emails. This was how I wrote down the votes. If someone would like to change their vore, say so now.
Proteins - snake
Golf - snake
Red Mets - bottom-to-top
Taxman - bottom-to-top
Me - snake
Y2JS - snake
Wiggs - bottom-to-top
PermDudes - snake
Brooklyn Mofos - snake
Detroit Isotopes - snake
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| 62 | Tree
ID: 42133228
Sun, Feb 22, 2004, 13:57
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from my email:
i'm cool on friday.
i will literally be out ALL DAY on saturday (probably from 9 am until about 3 am), with no computer access. i will have my handheld, which has limited AIM access (meaning if i keep AIM on non-stop, the battery drains in about 45 minutes) and email access, as well as my cel. i will bring my charts and such with me, but i will need a proxy to either call me or AIM me when i'm up to update me on who's been taken and so i can let that person know who i'm picking...
any volunteers?
also, on the voting for draft - the 8 (including myself) i had were:
for snake - Matt K, Matt N, Ryan...
for non-snake - Wiggs, MITH, Mark, Donny, me...
that's actually 5 for non-snake, 3 for snake.
i still have the emails if someone would like to see them for verification.
weird that i'm still supporting the non-snake side, since snake helps me immensely.. :o)
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| 63 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118
Sun, Feb 22, 2004, 14:04
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Tree's right. I changed my vcote to non snake in an email that I sent to the group on Jan 14th.
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| 64 | Y2JS
ID: 360562512
Sun, Feb 22, 2004, 14:08
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I voted for snake.
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| 65 | Y2JS
ID: 360562512
Sun, Feb 22, 2004, 14:09
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Ahh whoops, didn't realize you were going by my first name, haha.
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| 66 | GolfFreak
Sustainer
ID: 1730209
Thu, Feb 26, 2004, 18:14
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SAT/SUN 10AM-11PM - MON-FRI 6PM-11PM
I WILL NOT DISCUSS TIME LIMITS UNLESS SOMEONE BECOMES A PROBLEM. LESS THEN 5 MINUTES PER PICK SHOULD BE GOOD, IF YOU SHOULD OCCASIONALLY NEED UP TO 10 MINUTES, IT WILL NOT BE A PROBLEM.
Was this the same time limits as last year?
Sat/Sun seems a little extreme.
13 hours straight. 2 days of that will put me in the Doghouse. Or in court. And don't want to put the kids though that. I'm fine with 1 of those days but both isn't going to work. Sorry.
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| 67 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118
Thu, Feb 26, 2004, 18:59
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What is that from?
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| 68 | yankeeh8tr
ID: 6172614
Thu, Feb 26, 2004, 19:20
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It's from stealths keeper list page. I second Golfs concerns - especially given the nature of my CPU availability. It's far easier for me to access one in the PM. If we're strict about the time limits, many of my picks will have to be thru a surrogate.
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| 69 | Tree
ID: 11102620
Thu, Feb 26, 2004, 21:13
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especially since i'm going to be out of the house for large parts of both days, 5 minutes per pick in the first few rounds is extreme.
several of us here just finished a 25 round draft in less than 3 weeks, and the first few rounds actually had a 10 hour limit...
i'm rooting for something much more leniant - maybe picks every four hours. that was i can call in every so often just to check in - otherwise, i'm gonna be bothering someone every few minutes with a phone call...
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| 70 | Stealth
ID: 220561719
Thu, Feb 26, 2004, 21:19
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I am very sorry, I wrote that at 2 am. Don't hold me to it, I am very open to suggestions. I have no idea exactly how we drafted last year, to my fault. Trust me when I say, my schedule is more crazy then anyones. I just want people to be around to keep it moving. I really don't want to police anything, I just want to get everything done as quick as possible.
What are some reasonable suggestions to peak hours, and time limits? In another league, we have a one hour time limit, but that seems a little long for our group for peak hours.
Please offer suggestions.
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| 71 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 29463114
Thu, Feb 26, 2004, 22:09
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I am sorry here guys...I am really slow when it comes to remembering this stuff out or figuring out less than the stated obvious.
(1) What day are we starting the draft?
(2) Did we wind up snake or top to bottom?
(3) Have time limits been imposed?
I will be out of country 3/3 through 3/7 and on the road (but can work thru GF on phone) 3/9 through 3/12.
Outside of that .. let's rock'n roll
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| 72 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118
Thu, Feb 26, 2004, 22:34
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We're starting 3/13.
I believe we are doing a snake by narrow majority decision.
I believe Stealth would like some more input as to what the group wants regarding time limits during the draft and peak hours during which those limits will be enforced.
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| 73 | Tree
ID: 11102620
Thu, Feb 26, 2004, 22:56
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actually MITH, i think it's 5-5...the last count i had, posted in an earlier post, was 5-3 for non-snake.
i'm not sure how i feel about clocks on the weekend. i'd like to see the draft progress at a reasonable pace, but during the week i think make a 9 a.m. to 11 p.m. eastern clock, with a four hour limit, will go pretty smoothly.
whoever is picking before me, i may give them my celly and have them call me during the first weekend of the draft, since, as i said, i'll be out a lot. it's the big Ring of Honor show on saturday, and then sunday is Wrestlemania, and while i'm not going to that, i've been invited to a cool shindig doing on that day for a "pre-Wrestlemania" party...
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| 74 | GolfFreak
Sustainer
ID: 1730209
Thu, Feb 26, 2004, 23:15
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Myself
MON-FRI 6PM-11PM (isnt a problem 1-2hr would be nice)
SAT/SUN 10AM-11PM (would need a bigger window 5hr)
IF we go 9 a.m. to 11 p.m. eastern clock MON-FRI
( i would need a 5hr window) no access from 9 am-2pm (C)
Can and will leave a Q.
But do not enjoy sharing more then 2 players at a time.
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| 75 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Fri, Feb 27, 2004, 09:49
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Personally, I like the peak times that Golf Freak suggests. I would prefer a 1 hour limit during the peak times.
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| 76 | wiggs
Donor
ID: 4991311
Fri, Feb 27, 2004, 11:28
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I think having a 2 hours window per pick should be ok as long as people do not take advantage of it. I also think if you leave a queue with someone, a reasonable one, you should get longer to pick your next player.
Ex. you have pick 1 and you take Arod and you leave a queue with pujols and helton for pick 2 and they are gone then that doesnt count, but if you leave a 10 player queue and they are all gone I would suggest alittle more time. I know personally for me I am not always around a computer while I am working, but I do check regularly throughout the day.
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| 77 | Y2JS
ID: 360562512
Fri, Feb 27, 2004, 12:08
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I'll throw my $0.02 in there. I can draft anytime at any point in the day for however long. Luckily for me and the college life my computer stays on all day and if we decide on something I can be around at whatever point. So to make things easier for some of you who are busy I am game for anything.
HTH
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| 78 | Stealth @ work
ID: 37112209
Fri, Feb 27, 2004, 15:15
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For me, Mon through Fri 9-5 will be crazy for me. I will usually have a queue with me, or will usually be able to peel away for 5-10 minutes for a pick if I had to, but even that may not be possible on any given day.
For peak hours, kinda the same. Some nights I will be looking forward to getting away from the "planning" so I will be gladly glued to the computer. But there will be nights I cannot get to a computer. Those nights I will respect the group by either having a queue and my cell with me, or leave one with MITH.
I would rather keep it to a one hour limit for peak hours.
The snake issue has not been resolved. I think we should just revote. I vote snake, even though it affects me the least either way.
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| 79 | GolfFreak
Sustainer
ID: 1730209
Fri, Feb 27, 2004, 15:23
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Could some 1 make a chart to show the diff
in snake and nonsnake.
what did we do last year?
thanks
1,20
2,19
3,18
4,17
5,16
6,15
7,14
8,13
9,12
10,11
1,11
2,12
3,13
4,14
5,15
6,16
7,17
8,18
9,19
10,20
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| 80 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Fri, Feb 27, 2004, 15:34
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Not sure what you mean by a chart to show the difference. Last year we ran a snake draft, but I think the thinking is that after the first year of a keeper leaue, the draft order should be the same for each round.
I was one of the people who changed my vote from snake to non-snake, after reading through some of the opinions expressed here.
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| 81 | taxman
ID: 8123282
Sat, Feb 28, 2004, 03:23
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Let me be clear...non-snake (top to bottom) Snake is OK fo r the first year, but with keepers, to level the playing field, the guys at the bottom have to receive an advantage, otherwise, it is like MLB where the winners each season win the next season and the losers continue to lose.
Non-snake
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| 82 | Stealth
ID: 220561719
Sat, Feb 28, 2004, 20:54
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The new tally, thus far:
bottom-top (2): MITH, TAX
snake (1): STEALTH
I will email the group to check in.
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| 83 | Perm Dude
Dude
ID: 30792616
Sat, Feb 28, 2004, 21:07
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Again with the snake
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| 84 | yankeh8tr
ID: 321112815
Sun, Feb 29, 2004, 11:05
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Non snake, top to bottom, biggest loser gets first overall - hey! that's me!
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| 85 | Taxman
ID: 31745287
Sun, Feb 29, 2004, 11:26
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I have a problem. This is all too logical for me. What am I missing?
With 80 players (keepers) off the board a snake draft kills last years worst teams. The purpose of a snake draft is to equalize between the 1st and last draft positions. That happenned last year and the superior drafting teams won and got to keep @ a third of their roster.
To equalize talent, this draft MUSTbe a top-bottom, where the ignobility of finishing at the bottom earns a better draft position and a chance to improve his team by having a draft advantage.
Equalizing the draft positions with a snake ensures that the bottom teams will have far less chance to be competitive and the best teams will have an equal shot at the talent, even though their teams already have better talent. The chart of keepers as ranked by ESPN is absolute proof of my theory.
Rate the keepers
There is no way Deetroit Isotopes is going to equalize his talent in a snake draft and he will not be competitive in the league. He will have a difficult time in a top to bottom, but still is afforded a better opportunity.
If the purpose of the league is to protect the talent level of the best teams, then vote for the snake draft.
If it is to help improve talent on the bottom teams so every team can be competitive, then has to be non-snake.
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| 86 | GolfFreak
Sustainer
ID: 1730209
Sun, Feb 29, 2004, 11:47
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I will not be bullied.
By BOLD theats.
I'm like the Yanks.
I cant help that I have better talent. Endless resources.
Some teams MUST be on the bottom.
So my team looks better near the TOP.
Due to the force of your BOLDING I will NOT take you phone Q.
SO in ending I would to vote we boot Detroit Isotopes off the Island.
And so you know, "Im just kidding". I Change my Vote to Non-Snake.
BEcause as a Brewers fan. I feel your pain. Because of years and years of bottom feeding.
ps
$$$ still hasnt hit my PayPal account.
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| 87 | s.o. proteins
ID: 591272911
Sun, Feb 29, 2004, 12:28
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O.K.
Top to Bottom sounds like the fair thing to do.
Any time for me is good for drafting. Any time limits will work. It'll be interesting to see how the top to bottom affects the league standings.
s.o.
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| 88 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118
Sun, Feb 29, 2004, 14:53
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That gives a 5-2 majority to non-snake, with Tree (who I believe has already expressed his preference for non-snake) yet to vote. That should settle it.
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| 89 | Taxman
ID: 3221110
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 01:26
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GF.. the bolding was necessary because I didn't know how to make the type larger for your old eyes. Also, I figured it would attract the little attention you possess to the important thoughts:>)
But most of all, never tell a Texas Rangers fan about suffering. We never assembled a Harvey Wall Bangers outfit. Then again, we never changed leagues. The highlight of our off season was dumping the "best (in somebody's mind) player in baseball" to (according to team owner Hicks) improve the team.
ps actually the $ were taken out of your paypal account...to be spent on frozen drinks on the Nassau beach this week. By the way, how is the weather in Freezeconsin ;o)
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| 90 | yankeeh8tr
ID: 271322912
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 06:58
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If we could work out a revenue sharing deal I might consider voting for the snake, and keeping a bottom feeder team, golf.
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| 91 | GolfFreak
Sustainer
ID: 1730209
Mon, Mar 01, 2004, 07:32
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It's in the VERY HIGH 30's. :P
Ill pass on the "revenue sharing".
I've seen 1st hand how the Brewers spends theres.
After reading some posts I made in other threads.
About if its more then 4 keepers in SHOULD be a Non-Snake. Thought I better buy into my own words.
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| 92 | Y2JS
ID: 360562512
Fri, Mar 05, 2004, 08:09
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Are we still going with the draft day start of 3/13 at 10am? I just want to make sure because I need to know when I have to come back to school from Spring Break...
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| 93 | Tree
ID: 5251612
Sat, Mar 06, 2004, 14:57
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yep, i'm a non-snaker. i'm back in town, so i can be a productive member of society again, once i remember how to sleep and shake this jet lag... :o)
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| 94 | Tree
ID: 40219921
Thu, Mar 11, 2004, 06:55
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guys...i'm gonna be out of the house most of the day on saturday...leaving my house around 9 a.m., and probably not getting home until well after midnight...
what should we do about this? i guess i'll have to do the phone thing?
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| 95 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118
Thu, Mar 11, 2004, 07:02
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first few rounds should be the easiest to deal with a long queue. If you're willing to carry one around, I think everyone else would appreciate it.
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| 96 | not a yankee fan
ID: 5328117
Thu, Mar 11, 2004, 08:18
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ATTENTION*ARRESTE*ATENCION*ATTENZIONE*Aufmerksamkeit
I'll be doing the same thing as tree on Saturday - carrying around a cell and hoping there is no issue with my prerankings. I'll email my list and phone number to stealth, perm and MITH (I think thats Joe's Rotoguru nom de...) - because I'll be back in NY for 24 hours or so on my way to Utah.
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| 97 | GolfFreak
ID: 29291021
Thu, Mar 11, 2004, 08:52
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Wasnt there a rule if a keeper gets hurt before the draft you could replace him?
welcome back Tree. Where did you go again?
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| 98 | Y2JS
ID: 11231115
Thu, Mar 11, 2004, 19:50
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Is there anyway we are able to see the eligibility of players in the yahoo database? I made the mistake of thinking some players were listed at different positions last year.
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| 99 | GolfFreak
ID: 29291021
Thu, Mar 11, 2004, 20:04
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If you are signed up in a league you can.
you try and see if this lets you in
http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/b1/106333/players
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| 100 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118
Fri, Mar 12, 2004, 07:07
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Draft thread and discussion thread started in the Baseball Standings forum.
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