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Subject: TSN: What Can We Do Better?
Posted by: ESB
- [373411610] Fri, Jan 30, 2004, 11:18
Hey Guys:
As we're hitting baseball season, I'd like
to get a sense of the areas in which you feel
like we're letting you down the most. Prizes
seems to be one of them ... What else? This
is a very good time of the year for me to try
to address general/structural issues with my
department.
Please feel free to post here, or email
me.
-ESB
ebarmack@sportingnews.com
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| 1 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Jan 30, 2004, 11:34
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Position updates.
There seems to be no consistency in when they are applied. Early in the Hoops season, several times a player was updated the day after he started his 5th game at a new position. Lately, a number have been backlogged.
I don't think immediate eligibility is necessary - although it would be a nice feature. But there needs to be some consistency.
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| 2 | Jackie Robinson
ID: 568143011
Fri, Jan 30, 2004, 11:34
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I would like to cancel trades up until game time.
Nothing worse then trading for a pitcher scheduled to pitch the same day and then at 11 o'clock hear he is on the DL.
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| 3 | mtpoke25
ID: 300542920
Fri, Jan 30, 2004, 12:03
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Top on my list of improvements would be timely (within a month)payment of prizes.
2nd on my list would be a better prize pool. If you look at the # of people playing the game vs. the total payouts, TSN is making a huge profit. I would suggest $100-$150 prizes for divisional winners.
Game itself is great. But, I am honestly looking elsewhere for a fantasy baseball game because your prize structure is so weak in comparison.
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| 4 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Jan 30, 2004, 12:12
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I second Jackie Robinson's request in [2]. I've been advocating that type of change for years, in fact.
How about a single button that would undo all unfrozen trades? Or perhaps simply allow each individual unfrozen trade to be undone, item-by-item (cash permitting). This would make me more comfortable trading earlier in the day, knowing that late breaking news would allow trade reversal.
I realize that game time freezes introduce complications for this, but it can certainly be done if you (TSN) want to do it.
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| 5 | ESB
ID: 373411610
Fri, Jan 30, 2004, 14:44
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Let's see. I'll take this point by point:
1) Prizing. Yes. A month would never be realistic for us, given the steps we have to do clearing tax forms. But 2-3 months should be the upper limit.
2) Size of prizing. I'm in the middle on this. Relative to ESPN and Yahoo, our prizing is actually much better. We're competitive with CBS. And, in general, we don't clear tons of money off each game. Part of running a responsible business is keeping spending in line (I'm being totally honest here), and until we grow significantly, by another 30% or so, we will probably keep prizing where it's at.
3) Undoing trades. It creates a bunch of minor headaches. I will ask our production crew about this, and I don't think it's something we'll do for baseball, but it's been discussed and considered for the fall games.
4) Position requirements. Yes, this seems to be weak/inconsistent. Something we'll have to get better at. Probably it'll mean publishing a schedule for the entire season, and having strict requirements about what players get entered.
-ESB
GM/TSN Games
ebarmack@sportingnews.com
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| 6 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Jan 30, 2004, 15:41
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Erik - re position requirements.
"publishing a schedule for the entire season"...
You're making it sound so difficult.
Why not just say that every Wednesday (or pick another day), all player positions will be updated, if the 5 start threshold has been reached. I assume you have some sort of automated feed for this info?
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| 7 | Stuck in the Sixties
ID: 240262420
Fri, Jan 30, 2004, 20:40
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Erik:
I'd like to echo post three. Despite contacting you
directly, I still have not been paid for last season. Since I
just bought a 3-game package after moving to Florida
(so I can't cost you anything this year), the least you
could do is pay up for last year!
Don
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| 8 | rockafellerskank
Leader
ID: 27652109
Fri, Jan 30, 2004, 20:52
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ESB--
Over the years, I've heard a lot of reason prizes were delayed or never paid were "we never got your fax"
Well, I think you have a pretyt crappy fax machine, cause I know at least 2 dozen Gurupie who got this "run around". Frankly, I'm not ready to call BS on that one, but geeezz! I run a small busines, if I lost as many faxes as you claim, I'd be be in trouble!
Last year, I had a high hoops finish and of course won a division. I faxed BOTH sets of my documents at the same time and I SAVED that fax confirmation out of the machine to prove they went through. After a few days I e-mailed the heck out of your customer service department until they 'confirmed' they had ONE (1) of my faxes and made me re-fax the otehr! C'mon Dude! How can thay have one when they went together. Is your fax machine loacted near a shreder? Or perjhaps that Stapler Dude from Office Space is in charge of sorting them?
Ok, what am I getting at? You asked what YOU (TSN) could do better. How about paying some kid $5.25 an hour to monitor the fax and shoot off an e-mail confirmation to the owner [that fax received] that went through all the hoops to send it within the time frame dictated by you.
I for one decided at that point to mail my forms back to you certified mail -- signature required.
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| 9 | grEEr
ID: 191022221
Sat, Jan 31, 2004, 00:04
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CHARGE US MORE TO PLAY ..... but..... MAKE DIVISION PRIZES BETTER!!!
Charge like $24.99 and make Division price like $100 or more.
Most managers start off the season with asperations of winning their division but there is only a small % that can actually get into the top 100 for extra prizes...up the div prize. Existing players will be happy and others would join!
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| 10 | NY Studs
ID: 46027910
Sat, Jan 31, 2004, 00:24
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I would like to see an option to place trades in advance. For example, I know I'm going away for a week and wont be near a computer. I would rather put in a list of trades to be completed on specific dates instead of bothering another manager to make the trades for me(and risk them forgetting/ messing up). I dont know if this is possible but its an idea.
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| 11 | Zio
ID: 321115262
Sat, Jan 31, 2004, 09:20
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I agree with NY Studs completely. I think you guys have a great game, but managers need to be married to it to have a shot. During vacation last year I wasted all kinds of time trying to find an internet point in this hole-in-the-wall town in Spain. It'd be nice to be able to put the team on auto-pilot for a few days now and then.
Post-dating trades I would think would be fairly easy to implement. Some more complex features that would be cool (some of these might be too complex, but as long as we're throwing ideas around...) are ...
* Conditional Trades - If a certain condition is met (e.g. TSNP/Game drops below 15) substitute the player for player X. For example, if ARod's 15 day TSNP/Game drops below 15, replace him with the SS that has the highest 7 day TSNP/Game, or a specific player (e.g. Jeter).
* Alerts - On a similar note, instead of actually completing the trade, you could send an alert to the manager. Alerts could also be used for a ton of other events too like a player hitting the DL or some other event the manager wants.
* More Complex Stat Analysis - It would be nice to be able to search for players with more than just TNSP and TSNP/Game. Simple and exponential moving averages would be nice, and standard deviation would be great. If I'm looking at two OFs, both with 13 TSNP/Game, I'd rather have the player who is more consistent, the one with a lower stdev. Some type of analysis tool on top of these stats would be great too. For example, something that can search for all OFs with a 7 day TSNP/Game greater than their 15 TSNP/Game, perhaps indicating a growing hot streak.
* Trade History Analysis - A very very simple report that tells me for every trade I made, what was the $$gain/day and TSNP/day for that player. For example, if I pick up Coco Crisp on May 1 at $500,000 and sell him on the 15th for $750,000 and he puts up 150 points for me, I'd see
Coco Crisp 5/1/2004 5/15/2004 10 TSNP/Game $16,667/day
It would give a manager a better way to analyze their trading strategies and an easy way for managers to show off their brilliant trades on the message boards.
Some of these ideas would require a decent amount of development, but would draw a ton of cash. The serious players who drops $50+ for their teams would gladly spend and extra $10 or $20 for some of these features if it helps them win. Plus they'd just be cool to play with, even if you don't win.
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| 12 | Rogue Nine
Leader
ID: 2624472
Sat, Jan 31, 2004, 20:29
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This is something I recommended on the TSN Ultimate Hockey boards, but I don't know if you've checked that thread yet so I'll re-post it here.
I'd like to see an 'average TSNP' for each night. Say I'm at WWR 500, got 300 TSNP yesterday and moved up 10 spots. For all I know, the average score in the top 500 was 350, (meaning I lost ground) but 10 guys just ahead of me had terrible nights, thus the reason for why I gained 10 spots.
So maybe an average daily TSNP score for wwr 1-100, another for 101-1000, 1001-2000, and so on. Would be a neat little stat that lets you see how your team stacked up against everyone near you.
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| 13 | Richard
ID: 5410352713
Sat, Jan 31, 2004, 23:57
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I have to echo - don't lose the faxes!
Richard
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| 14 | Premium Lumber
ID: 311422016
Mon, Feb 02, 2004, 09:38
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Like several years ago, back to 5 trades a week, your choice of how to use them, pitchers and/or hitters.
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| 15 | ESB
ID: 373411610
Mon, Feb 02, 2004, 15:58
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Guru:
I didn't say publishing a schedule was difficult. It's just not something we've done. We'll try to do it for baseball this year. And no, position eligibility is not automated, which is why it can lead to confusion.
On prizing/faxing -- I think the answer is to make the process more automated to the end user. We're building the prize center this summer.
NY Studs -- a challenging idea, because of price changes. I guess we could look into a situation where people can request trades so long as the funds are available, but I suspect we'd be dealing with more c. service issues than we'd solve.
Same thing, for sure, with conditional trades.
I love the idea of alerts, and want them to be built into the games, particularly if we go to a wireless strategy.
Zio -- I love your Coco Crisp idea.
Rogue Nine -- I love your suggestion, too.
-ESB
GM/TSN Games
ebarmack@sportingnews.com
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| 16 | jseth33
ID: 42046289
Mon, Feb 02, 2004, 17:12
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I second the suggestion of Rogue Nine - an excellent idea.
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| 17 | The Pink Pimp
ID: 5313323
Mon, Feb 02, 2004, 21:42
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I have to agree that the ability to set up trades in the future would be a godsend. Its just a bummer when you have to login every day when you are on vacation to make your pitching moves. Of course all trades would go through only if funds allowed and the number of trades was not exceeded. The Manager requesting future trades would assume all risk of injury, non-starts, etc.
I also really want to be able to see my players daily scores real time via the web and web enabled phone. I would pay extra for phone connectivity. I hate being at the ballpark and having to rely on the scorebord to tell me how my players did and then having to convert performance into TSNP's mentally. They are my players and I want to know how they did now, not after midnight or the next morning. I understand that you can't give fully accurate up to date scoring since errors in the boxscore will occasionally be made so its ok with me if the "live" scoring is provisional and subject to change.
The menu I want to see on my phone looks something like this.
SPORTS
---TSN
----BASEBALL
-----MY TEAMS
------Team #1
-------Todays Stats
-------Roster
-------Div Rank
I have Verizon and can already get this kind of info about my Yahoo leagues. It has to be possible to do it with TSN as well.
in case you missed it here it is again: I WOULD PAY EXTRA FOR THIS SERVICE.
Oh yeah, one more thing. Please do not let any players drop $660,000 in one day this year.
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| 18 | Taxman
ID: 5110281420
Tue, Feb 03, 2004, 09:18
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Erik,
In the Draft and Trade game:
A H2H option would attract players not enamored with the 5x5 Roto style.
Allow the League Commissioner to select the applicable categories, set up divisions and playoffs as was done in Football Draft and Trade.
Add Keeper League capability (can be done now by managers, but must be done offsite)
There should be limit to the number of trade offers a team can send to prevent a team from constantly papering the other league members with one sided trade offers until a worn down manager accepts a trade in order to make the offers stop.
Need a language ("expletive deleted") in the TSN league manager to manager e-mail system.
I 2nd The PP on $660,00 in 1 day. Being out of the country for 72 hours and discovering each team had taken a $660,00 hit over the weekend devasted the cash accumulation program. I think next highest single day drop for the season was $200,000. That is a huge and inexplicable deviation.
Fax issue, please set up an e-mail confirmation scheme. I also run a small business and all ordering by done via fax and we same day e-mail order confirmations. Customer doesn't get a confirmation and he knows THAT DAY that a problem exists.
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| 19 | smartone @work
Donor
ID: 29452720
Tue, Feb 03, 2004, 15:02
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Erik, I know that some/most people won't like my suggestion, but I think that last year's draft prices were too low, and around the ASB, too many teams had an All-Star roster. I would do the following:
1. Increase the initial prices
2. Gravity: Make the gravity propotional to the player's price - this has been discussed before in other forums, and a simple structure as 9M-10M will drop 100K; 8-9M will drop 90K etc etc can be programmed easily
3. Ignore "dead teams" in the gravity calculations... there are too many teams who's owners abandon them in the early stages of the season, and some draft-popular players are stuck on them and tend not to gravitate. Defining a "dead team" is pretty simple - for instance, a team who's manager didn't check for 21 days
4. I was sceptic before the Hoops season - but having the ability to change the roster all day, until the games start, is GREAT!!!
Thanks for making this great game!
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| 20 | ESB
ID: 373411610
Tue, Feb 03, 2004, 18:13
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Gang. I'm reading all of this. It's useful. Very useful. Keep it coming.
-ESB
p.s. I will be offline for most of the next week, and might not respond until next week.
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| 21 | Johnny Sue
ID: 11128412
Wed, Feb 04, 2004, 14:16
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Injury notification has to be consistent all year round. I propose only guys that are listed on MLB's D/L should be given the dreaded red cross of doom. (In fact, it should be that way in all of TSN's games) As for baseball, even if they're on the dreaded "day-to-day" don't even mention it.
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| 22 | clv
Sustainer
ID: 5911351713
Wed, Feb 04, 2004, 16:03
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Good point Johnny Sue...if a manager is interested in picking-up a player, he's going to do some homework on them, but when that symbol shows up on active players who are banged up a little, it often leads to panic-selling by those owners who already have him but don't look deeply enough to find out why it's there...how much $$$ did people lose last season by holding Pujols for the week of his big drop? I was one of them, just don't remember how much I lost, and I thought it was a little drastic to have to give up that much RV simply because I took the time to be more well-informed than some about the situation. As important as RV is in this game, it's sad that you have to burn 2 trades on a "nicked-up" player who might take two days off just because you know many are going to see that symbol and dump him without even checking to see why it's there.
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| 23 | Mikel
ID: 25040239
Sat, Feb 07, 2004, 10:31
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Not sure if this was mentioned, all I did was skim the thread. For Player eligibility, if you are going to give a player more than one position at the begining of the year, make sure the position is justifyable.
Frank Thomas - 1B & OF
Mike Sweeney - 1B & OF
Mike Piazza - C
If one was to think that any of these three players was going to get 2 positions, wouldn't you think that it would be Piazza? (1B)
I say, stay consistant. Since Piazza hasn't yet played 5 games in a season at 1st, don't give him the eligibilty just yet. (although "Mets GM Jim Duquette said yesterday that he expects Mike Piazza to play first base once a week at the start of the season.") And since Sweeney and Thomas haven't played OF, Don't give them eligiblity untill they do.
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| 24 | Tree
ID: 4018716
Sat, Feb 07, 2004, 17:36
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while going over the database, i noticed a lot of guys who should have DH eligibility were given OF eligibility instead...
among players i've noticed who have this are:
Frank Thomas
Mike Sweeney
Matt LeCroy
Brad Fullmer
Jack Cust
David Sequi
David Ortiz
Travis Hafner
Dean Palmer
Justin Morneau
Erubiel Durazo
Edgar Martinez
Rafael Palmeiro
Josh Phelps
the following are players who had minimal OF games (i'm unsure of the threshold, yet have OF eligibility)
Jeremy Giambi (played 11 OF games)
Brian Daubach (12)
Ellis Burks (2)
Kevin Witt (13)
Bubba Trammel (3)
Ben Grieve (10)
Al Martin (13)
Terry Shumpert (14)
What's crazy is how inconsistent things are, because guys like Ken Harvey, Nick Johnson, and Jason Giambi had a lot of games at DH, yet aren't OF eligible (nor should they be).
Anyway, back to the list of guys at the top - some of those guys haven't played an OF game in their entire career, and some haven't played OF since the 80s.
This is a simple thing that should have been noticed before a list of players was released, and it's reasons like this that i stopped played TSN - simple errors that should never occur and inconsistent rules in a game i'm paying for.
anyway ESB (no more first name, just an odd psuedonym of initials?), would you like an address where you can send me a check, as certainly someone on your staff being paid to do this sort of thing isn't doing it?
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| 25 | cancermoon
ID: 60262515
Sun, Feb 08, 2004, 23:45
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Hire someone with a natural inclination towards order and efficiency, someone with natural analytical skills and a great mind for databases.
For example in basic games there are only maybe 250 prizes to be paid, My father pays more people than that every week, yet whomever you have doing the job manages to miss place faxes, addresses, or simply just forgets to send prize money . I am thinking maybe an IT geek does the job at the moment, I't's time to think about someone who's mind operates a little differenly to do a job that simply requires organisation a cross checking.
a house wife (home executive) would be good to run the prize department.
Also have you's ever thought about having accounts, for example when we win money it goes into our TSN account, so we can see that we have the money, and can use it for future games, or simply request a payment from there? People who's checks do go missing then can atleast see they have the money still, and won't get so upset maybe.
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| 26 | R9
Leader
ID: 2624472
Mon, Feb 09, 2004, 01:13
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I'm pretty sure that is what Erik and the TSN crew have in mind for their 'prize center'. If I only win like 50$, it just makes more sense to use it to purchase teams for the next sport. Kind of silly to wait ages for a 50$ check and then just spend 50$ on the credit card for new teams...
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| 27 | surlyhorse
ID: 351830
Mon, Feb 09, 2004, 12:18
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There is an error in the TSNP (and TSNP/G) figures that are listed on both the website and the downloadable spreadsheet. The discrepancy is the exact amount of TSNP for each player's walks and HBP (plus for the batters, minus for the pitchers). It looks like those stats must've accidentally been left out when the formulas were set up to calculate totals. The error also exists for past seasons on the player pages. So basically, all TSNP on the site are currently inaccurate.
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| 28 | penngray
Sustainer
ID: 423241723
Tue, Feb 10, 2004, 14:43
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Player ownership percentage, Pitcher ownership percentage, not just current but a 6 day chart.
We run them but TSN already has the #s so you should be able to create the chart much easier then we can!!!
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| 29 | JW
Dude
ID: 1610242716
Wed, Feb 11, 2004, 03:54
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I know that there are legal issues involved in this (and I do hope TSN aren't hiding behind them) but please,please,please let's have some kind of prizes for winners not based in the USA. I haven't played well enough to deserve anything ...yet, but the performance of the Eurogurupies division last year surely merited some reward.
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| 30 | Stuck in the Sixties
Dude
ID: 274132811
Wed, Feb 11, 2004, 09:16
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As I've mentioned before, the CDM game has no problem paying people no matter where they live and it's the premier roto game in the country -- relative, at least, to payout.
I have yet to receive my paltry $100 from last season, earned in Texas but which needs to be sent to my new home in Fla. I've mentioned this twice before, you've promised to fix it and nothing gets done.
I totally agree that there has to be a cap on both upward and downward price spirals for a single day. For God's sake, can't you have a sick day or a visit with Mom and not have to pay a catastrophic price? We have a stock market game here, so remember that in the real world, the SEC would not permit these sorts of price swings. Their computers are set up to halt trading at a point certain. Failure to have done this was one of the factors making Black Friday possible, and damned if I want to leap off a tall building because my hurler du jour dropped half a mil while I was taking a shower.
I'd like there to be a way for two friends to get in the same TSN public division without having to create a private league, then open it to the public. It took me and a friend a couple of hours to hit the change league button at the same time and finally land in the same divison. Even when you ask for the public division, it's a crap shoot whether or not you land there.
I absolutely love this game. There's something unique about it. So I'm sad to say that I'm hooked. I'll play whether or not you fix it or pay me or fulfill any of your other obligations. It's sort of like being in Chicago. Fans will fill Wrigley whether or not you spend money on the team.
Don
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| 31 | cancermoon
ID: 60262515
Wed, Feb 11, 2004, 16:38
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All TSN have to do to allow payments to foreigners is is make sure they fill out a W-8 form or something like that and withhold something like 30% for taxes, doesn't seem difficult, and it may encourage a lot more players and therefore finally a higher prize pool for us.
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| 32 | Gman15
Dude
ID: 1531677
Wed, Feb 11, 2004, 17:02
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I'm not sure that's all TSN would have to do. It appears from what TSN representatives have written before that there may be legal (non-tax) issues that block payment. I don't know exactly what those legal issues are (gambling laws?), but I don't think the simplistic solution you just offered overcomes all obstacles.
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| 34 | cancermoon
ID: 60262515
Thu, Feb 12, 2004, 00:35
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Well it seems PSChallenge and CDMsports have no problems with foreign payments, I don't think there is any jurisdiction that other countries can enforce on an american company , so foreign gambling laws or any foreign governments laws would have absolutely no effect, it can only be american laws, and the only possible american laws regarding this can be for taxes they don't want to miss out on, so a 30% withholding seems to me to be the only possible problem that needs to be attended to :-)
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| 35 | Gman15
Dude
ID: 1531677
Thu, Feb 12, 2004, 09:54
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I can only dream to be as well versed as you in international law. I'm shocked that TSN hasn't sought your counsel on this matter.
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| 36 | cancermoon
ID: 60262515
Thu, Feb 12, 2004, 17:03
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Sarcasm is not needed, i was simply discussing a matter which seemed reasonably simple to me.
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| 37 | ESB
ID: 373411610
Thu, Feb 12, 2004, 17:10
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Guys:
When it comes to foreign payments -- it's as simple as this: our lawyers say that we can't. Then we ask them again, and they say no. And we ask them why not, and they tell us why. It has to do with understanding gambling/tax laws in each country. Simply put, CDM is comfortable taking more risk if they're paying out internationally, but we (meaning TSN Games) have no control over this issue.
-ESB
GM/TSN Games
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| 39 | mrbig
ID: 374342616
Thu, Feb 12, 2004, 18:15
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I would really like to see an option where we could buy 2 Ultimate teams & 2 draft-and-trade teams for a bargain instead of having to buy 3 of either team for the bargain.
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| 40 | JW
Dude
ID: 1610242716
Fri, Feb 13, 2004, 02:55
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ESB:
Do your lawyers also say you can't offer alternative non-cash prizes - MLB caps, shirts, baseball-related subscriptions, collectibles ... anything?
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| 41 | Reds88
ID: 420271612
Fri, Feb 13, 2004, 09:03
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I really think you guys are making the international prizes a much bigger issue than it is. If it were possible, I'm sure TSN would do it.
I would like to see the ability to set trades to be made in the future, similar to how Yahoo allows you to set your roster for the next week. I'm debating whether or not to play right now and it's going to come down to what kind of time commitment is involved and if I can take a day off and not lose a lot of ground.
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| 42 | beastiemiked
ID: 2601988
Fri, Feb 13, 2004, 09:33
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I really think you guys are making the international prizes a much bigger issue than it is. If it were possible, I'm sure TSN would do it.
This would be my #1 issue if I lived out of the country. I don't think anyone that doesn't live out of the country has a right to say it isn't a big issue.
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| 43 | Gman15
Dude
ID: 1531677
Fri, Feb 13, 2004, 09:46
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I guess something is reasonably simple if one doesn't have to take into account all the factors surrounding making a decision. I can't think of a more appropriate situation for sarcasm.
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| 44 | Tree
Donor
ID: 599393013
Fri, Feb 13, 2004, 11:40
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ESB - have you addressed the incorrect player position issues?
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| 45 | ESB
ID: 373411610
Fri, Feb 13, 2004, 13:02
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Big:
I like your idea. I'll ask our marketing guys about it.
On international:
It's a big issue, but we just don't have a solution. We'd basically have to pay lawyers in each country to go through this process. Right now, it's not justifiable as a business decision.
Tree:
Looking into your issue now.
-ESB
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| 46 | T-Bone
ID: 24120310
Fri, Feb 13, 2004, 13:57
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Hey ESB.
How's about a PDA friendly version of the site. Nothing worse than getting caught in a boring meeting just before the trade deadline and a salary dump waiting to happen.
Thanks!
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| 47 | ESB
ID: 373411610
Fri, Feb 13, 2004, 16:46
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T-bone:
We've discussed this. It's hard given the size of the audience, but it's on the Radar.
Tree:
We've made changes (per your list).
-ESB
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| 48 | Tree
Donor
ID: 599393013
Fri, Feb 13, 2004, 17:02
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Tree:
We've made changes (per your list).
so, how much are you paying me? or are you at least hiring? LOL
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| 49 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Feb 13, 2004, 18:12
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Erik[47] - The excel spreadsheet needs to be changed to reflect those position updates.
For example, the game site now lists Frank Thomas only at 1b and not at OF. The spreadsheet still lists him at both positions.
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| 50 | Taxman
SuperDude
ID: 29463114
Fri, Feb 13, 2004, 19:43
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Erik,
You didn't respond to this in post 18..makes me think that your post in 20 was BS. You may have read all the intervening comments and suggestions, but only responded to the "well settled" TSN position on foreign payments (but hell you don't pay all the US based payments either, at least I am still waiting for 1 of 2 checks for which TSN sent me the prize forms...when did baseball season end...when did TSN post that ALL prize checks had been mailed...ouch)
Repeat of my post 18
In the Draft and Trade game:
A H2H option would attract players not enamored with the 5x5 Roto style. Total points is Roto 5x5 with a different name. H2H, obviously, is a mano a mano format and offers a different type of competition.
Allow the League Commissioner to select the applicable categories, set up divisions and playoffs as was done in Football Draft and Trade.
Add Keeper League capability (can be done now by managers, but must be done offsite)
There should be limit to the number of trade offers a team can send to prevent a team from constantly papering the other league members with one sided trade offers until a worn down manager accepts a stupid trade in order to make the offers stop.
Need a language ("expletive deleted") in the TSN league manager to manager e-mail system or a filter for keeping the youngsters out.
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| 51 | cancermoon
ID: 60262515
Fri, Feb 13, 2004, 22:21
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Why are TSN so worried about other countries and what their gambling laws are, No other country has any sort of jurisdiction over TSN for anything. That is why there are Internet bookies, internet casinos, internet fantasy sports sites all paying internationally. As far as I have seen they simply offer a disclaimer saying it is the players own risk if they have local laws prohibiting gambling. The only thing TSN have to worry about is taxes within their own country, and that would be withholding tax of about 30%. I think the income generated by Japanese, British and Aussies could greatly boost TSN and also boost the prize pool and competitiveness.
The Casino's, Bookies and other fantasy sites must be taking huge risks, or more likely know there is no problem.
By the way I think it is rather selfish to say it is no big deal, For me it makes no difference, but for many people on the boards , they invest their money and would love to be able to win some back if good enough. I know I'd like bigger prize pools eventually, and that will only ever happen if there was a far larger investment in the games by players all over the world..
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| 52 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Fri, Feb 13, 2004, 22:36
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Why are TSN so worried about other countries and what their gambling laws are
I might speculate (I don't really know). Many major CCs won't do business with those sites anymore because so many CC users sued to get their money back. Perhaps TSN doesn't want to be on the list of companies that Visa/MC/PayPal, etc.. won't authorize charges to?
For examnple... I've been signed up with my offshore sportsbook for 5+ years. About 1 year ago, I tried to add money to my account via all my various CCs companies and the charge was declined. I think the theory is that "if I lose, I can dispute the charges on a legal technicality and get my money back" TSN is considered a gambling site by several US States. I'm not sure paying International prizes is in their best interest.
I'd love to hear anything others KNOW about this tips (International gamblind VS Visa/MC)
Heck. I thought I'd toss out a few articles.
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The above 2 links sugest that any reasonable business should do all it can to be NOT labled as a Gaming site. Think about it. How much revenue would TSN lose if MC/Visa stopped authorizing them?
Maybe I'm way off base here...
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| 53 | Texas Flood
ID: 326462912
Sat, Feb 14, 2004, 12:58
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How about Paying? I won two Divisions in 20 team football leagues this year and never received an email. As i understood it all division winners were to receive $50.
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