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Subject: RotoGuru Invitational Baseball Challenge -predraft
Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Sat, Feb 21, 2004, 14:39
The 16 managers for the inaugural season have been selected:
beastiemiked
blue hen
Caper
darkside
Guru
J
jumpball
KrazyKoalaBears
Mattinglyinthehall
Peter N.
Ref
SlackJawed Yokel
smartone
species
tosh
Trip
All of the managers are GuruPatrons, but span the range of giving categories. Some are long-time Gurupies, others are more recent. Some are my age (or even older!), some are young. All have demonstrated some prowess in past fantasy baseball exploits. Some are RotoGuru Hall of Famers. I know there is at least one Canadian. (I had considered some from overseas, but decided not to use that as a primary selection criteria.) Suffice it to say that there were many others who were equally qualified, and it was difficult to narrow the list to 16. The one thing I am confident of is that this will be a formidably competitive league. Those who were not selected should not feel slighted.
The top 8 teams will automatically be invited to return for the second season in 2005. The bottom four finishers will be replaced. Those finishing 9-12 will be in limbo, and their renewal invitation will depend on the competitiveness of the league and other factors to be determined.
If others would like to create and compete in qualifying leagues, that would be great. While I cannot guarantee that a winner in a qualiifying league will get an invitation next year, it will be one of the primary factors in filling openings for the second season. Qualifying leagues should be structured similar to this league, although minor variations in number of teams, scoring categories, roster configuration. etc. are permissible.
Before we get started with our draft (hopefully around the first of March), we have several issues to resolve. These will be settled by majority vote of the 16 team managers, who should post their preferences here.
Pitching categories will be the standard 5: wins, saves, strikeouts, ERA, and WHIP
The 5 hitting categories will be runs, RBI, SB, a power category, and an average category.
1) should the power category be HR, total bases, or slugging percentage?
2) should the average category be batting average, or on base percentage?
The roster configuration will be as follows:
9 active pitchers
12 active hitters (C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, 4 OF, CI, MI, Utility)
4 bench
3) should some of the pitching slots be designated for starters or relievers only? OR should they all be open?
4) should the outfield slots be segregated into LF, CF, RF, and a 4th OF? Or should we just have 4 general OF slots?
5) instead of 4 bench slots, should we have 3 bench plus one DL (disabled list) slot?
Limits
6) Yahoo allows for game played limits by hitting position. Should we limit each position to 162 games, or should there be no maximum?
7) what should be the IP limit for pitching? 1250? 1350? or 1450?
A few other clarifications:
This is not a keeper league.
The draft will be a snake draft. As soon as possible, we'll have a single round during which we'll select our draft position. The first 2 managers who send me a series of the numbers 1-15 in random order will determine the selection order for draft order round. The team with the first pick will get to decide what his draft order # will be (i.e., 1-32, 2-31, 3-30, etc.) I will take whatever slot is left over.
Trades of draft picks are permitted.
Players who are not yet listed by Yahoo may be drafted. A team drafting such a player must leave a roster spot vacant until the player is made available.
Are there other issues that we should consider?
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| 68 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Tue, Feb 24, 2004, 10:40
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6-hour clock is fine by me, with the proposed 1am - 7am moratorium.
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| 69 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Tue, Feb 24, 2004, 10:48
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I prefer a 6 hour clock also.
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| 70 | smartone @work
Donor
ID: 29452720
Tue, Feb 24, 2004, 11:27
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6 hour clock makes sense for the weekdays... what about the weekends?
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| 71 | Trip
Donor
ID: 13961611
Tue, Feb 24, 2004, 11:32
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6 hour clock and proposed weekday moratorium is fine.
I would vote for the clock to be turned off during weekends.
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| 72 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Tue, Feb 24, 2004, 11:46
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<---West Coaster
6 hour weekday clock is more than enough. Weekend for 8 hours seems reasonable. I don't care about the moratorium, I'll be there.
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| 73 | darkside
Dude
ID: 3590317
Tue, Feb 24, 2004, 11:48
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6 hour is fine by me.
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| 74 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Tue, Feb 24, 2004, 12:01
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6 hours. And Species should be a problem. He's always been one of the better drafters in my leagues, Left Coast or not...
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| 75 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Feb 24, 2004, 12:35
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Perhaps the issue of the weekend clock should depend on our progress to that point. If we're making good progress, we can suspend the clock for the weekend - although I'd still like people to make an effort to leave a queue with someone if they will be away for an extended period - weekend or not.
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| 76 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Feb 24, 2004, 12:48
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To assist your draft preparation, I extracted a list of all currently listed players at Yahoo, along with listed team and eligible positions. The list was captured at 12:45pm EST on Feb 24. Any changes after that time will not be included.
Excel spreadsheet
Text file (tab delimited)
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| 77 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Feb 24, 2004, 12:53
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We can always make changes if our current time rules are not working. I'd rather do the 8 then shorten then having to skip people several times. I'm thinking if people don't have time to pick at work, then 8 hrs is good. I like midnight to 8am EST moratorium EST because that is 5am PST, but as Guru said in 67, that would mean he wasn't on the night before and he was up.
However, if the managers can be on a lot, then 6 hrs is more than enough time.
I've never played with SLG% before so this will be a little different--which can be good. This will alter my normal strategy a little already. I suspect the first few rounds will fly by. Since Spring Training games don't start until March 4th, I'm in no hurry to start drafting.
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| 78 | J
Leader
ID: 49346417
Tue, Feb 24, 2004, 14:07
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ughhhh, my work is so retarded. Most internet sites are blocked, but for whatever reason I can access these boards, but I can't access those two links Guru posted.
Anyone know any sneaky ways around stuff like this?
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| 79 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Tue, Feb 24, 2004, 14:13
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Want me to download the spreadsheet and try to send it to you as an attatchment? Post an email address if so.
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| 80 | smartone @work
Donor
ID: 29452720
Tue, Feb 24, 2004, 14:24
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J, resign!
;-)
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| 81 | J
Leader
ID: 49346417
Tue, Feb 24, 2004, 14:28
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nah, don't worry about it, they'll probably just block the email.
I can download it from home.
smartone - if it weren't for those paycheck things, I would! I miss the good ole unemployed days :)
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| 83 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Tue, Feb 24, 2004, 15:27
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J you were unemployed for what, two years?
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| 84 | jumpball
ID: 198192210
Tue, Feb 24, 2004, 15:45
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I'd prefer the largest time window possible. Roroguru is blocked at my current work site which make it tough for me to do anything during the day.
I'd also prefer to wait until after the weekend to start -- I need that time for preparation.
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| 85 | J
Leader
ID: 49346417
Tue, Feb 24, 2004, 16:01
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officially it was 16 months, but I worked part time in the early phases.
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| 86 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Feb 24, 2004, 17:09
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We will not start the draft until March 1.
jumpball, is there some way we can stay somewhat in touch with you when you're at work? Perhaps an email address where I can send you recaps, particularly as it gets near your pick? Or perhaps a list posted at an alternate IP address that isn't blocked? Or are you really going to be completely out of touch when you're at work?
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| 87 | Slackjawed Yokel
Leader
ID: 52347519
Tue, Feb 24, 2004, 19:41
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Anyone know the details on the 'league votes' option for trade reviews? That seems to be a new option for private leagues this year. I see in the help that the default configuration (for public leagues) requires 4 votes to veto a trade. I'd think we'd want at least a majority against, and I would be someone against the anonymity that this might allow - assuming it's similar to public leagues. Can the commish override this?
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| 88 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Feb 24, 2004, 20:54
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Perhaps a safer alternative is to set up the league with Commissioner approval for trades, with the explicit understanding that I would only overturn a trade if there were a certain number of managers opposing it. If so, what should the number be? 8? 9? or less?
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| 89 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Feb 24, 2004, 21:06
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I don't like any form of veto unless the trade is filled with HUGE disparities like Sexson for Aaron Boone or something like that. The other is collusion. Neither of these will happen in a league like ours. All managers should be able to be smart enough to make a trade without the league bailing them out if it's a little skewed. So if 8 people honestly think the trade is garbage, that's more than enough to veto it.
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| 90 | blue hen
ID: 4300290
Tue, Feb 24, 2004, 22:43
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Which side wins Sexson for Boone?
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| 91 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Feb 25, 2004, 11:40
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To clear up any ambiguities with that 4th bench slot, since that will make 25 total players, will be drafting 24 then able to add the 25th on our own later since only even numbered rounds will work with a snake draft?
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| 92 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Feb 25, 2004, 11:48
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We'll draft 25. Since waiver priority works in reverse draft order, that dovetails nicely with a 25th round.
Besides, I don't think the sequence of 25th round picks really makes much difference.
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| 93 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Wed, Feb 25, 2004, 11:49
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I'm assuming no keepers right?
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| 94 | beastiemiked
ID: 2601988
Wed, Feb 25, 2004, 11:51
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Read the rules tool.
A few other clarifications:
This is not a keeper league.
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| 95 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Feb 25, 2004, 11:51
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Good assumption, since I already said that in the opening post:
A few other clarifications:
This is not a keeper league.
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| 96 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Feb 25, 2004, 11:57
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I was under the assumption that Yahoo didn't offer uneven rounds for snakes, so since that is not the case, that does work out perfectly. The wavier priority is probably going to loom much larger early on than the scrubs in the 25th round.
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| 97 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Wed, Feb 25, 2004, 12:09
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We're doing an offline draft, so what Yahoo allows for snake drafts is irrelevant.
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| 98 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Wed, Feb 25, 2004, 12:19
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I'll shut up now ;)
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| 99 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Wed, Feb 25, 2004, 13:55
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Oh come on. You guys know I don't read things. I'm just a good guesser.
Ref - I think they actually allow snakes with any number of rounds. But I'll shut up now too.
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| 100 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Wed, Feb 25, 2004, 16:08
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bh - I assume bmd meant "Read the rules fool" in post 94.
Just wanted to help clarify what we all think of you. Heh heh.
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| 101 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Wed, Feb 25, 2004, 17:38
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No, I'm pretty sure he meant tool. As in a Terrific, Obviously Omnipotent Lipman. Duh.
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| 102 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118
Wed, Feb 25, 2004, 19:31
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Whatever, Dolph.
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| 104 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Feb 27, 2004, 10:46
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Here's the plan. If there are any objections, please speak up now.
The clock will start at 7am Monday morning. If the first few people want to get started before then, that's their prerogative, but the clock will not start until Monday. Slackjawed Yokel, feel free to pick ARod whenever you wish. (Or whoever...)
We will suspend the clock from 1am-7am EST.
We'll decide later about relaxed standards during the weekend, depending on how much progress has been made.
I'm working on an accommodation for jumpball so that he can check on draft progress during the day.
We will have three separate threads in progress:
1. A draft thread, which will only be used to post draft picks. Please list the pick number (eg, 1.01, 1.02, ... 1.16, 2.01), the player name, the player's team, and position eligibility. I will also maintain a separate page with all draft picks in a grid format by primary position. I will also try to update the Yahoo draft summary page several times per day.
2. A discussion thread. This will be where we communicate on anything related to the draft or to the league in general. In particular, please let us know if you have time issues, and if you have made alternate arrangements for upcoming picks (queues, deputizing someone else in your stead, etc.) Outsiders may also comment or raise questions in that thread.
3. A rationale thread. I won't start this until we get to round 3. We'll try to keep this about 2 rounds in arrears.
All threads will be on the regular baseball forum. While draft threads are generally relegated to the standings forum, this draft will attract general interest, so we'll just keep it here.
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| 105 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Feb 27, 2004, 10:52
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BTW, for those people at the endpoints of each round (KKB and SY), the clock does not double up. You get one clock cycle to make both of your picks.
Sorry, life is not always fair....
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| 106 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Feb 27, 2004, 11:07
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I would just like to ask that managers try and refrain from talking about players still in the draft pool once the draft starts.
8 hour clock?
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| 107 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Fri, Feb 27, 2004, 11:11
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106 brings up something I intended to ask for some clarification on, regarding the rationale aspect of the draft.
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| 108 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Feb 27, 2004, 11:27
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Sorry, I forgot to mention. We had eight managers request a 6 hour clock, and since I'm agreeable to that as well, we'll start it at 6 hours.
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| 109 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Feb 27, 2004, 11:31
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Mattingly[107] - what's your question?
Each manager is requested to provide a short (1-3 sentence) rationale for each pick. In order to avoid tipping your hand about potential alternatives, we do this with a 2 round lag, so your most recent rationale posting is typically about 30-40 players ago.
For examples of these, see the RIHC draft rationale thread.
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| 110 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Fri, Feb 27, 2004, 11:42
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It occurreed to me that I might find it hard to give an informitive rationale without including why I chose a particular player over someone else who might also fit my stated priorities. I hadn't considered that the 2 round lag would help prevent available players from being mentioned or hinted at.
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| 111 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Fri, Feb 27, 2004, 13:55
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Guru, I'm fine with the bookends time clock. I usually always make both picks at the same time anyhow when I'm last in the draft.
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| 112 | darkside
Dude
ID: 3590317
Fri, Feb 27, 2004, 14:59
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Everything sounds good, Guru...I really need to do a lot of work between now and Monday!
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| 113 | Tosh
Sustainer
ID: 57721710
Fri, Feb 27, 2004, 15:14
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I can't wait to make my pick! I'll probably fall a rationale or two behind while I'm at Spring Training the 10th-13th, but I will catch up quickly.
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| 114 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Feb 27, 2004, 15:45
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Doing some in-person scouting, eh?
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| 115 | Tosh
Sustainer
ID: 57721710
Fri, Feb 27, 2004, 16:49
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I take this league seriously. Hopefully I won't end up drafting all Mariners, Royals, and Cubs (the teams I'm seeing).
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| 116 | Slackjawed Yokel
Leader
ID: 52347519
Fri, Feb 27, 2004, 17:38
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Guru, I can make my pick later tonight, so you could go ahead and create the threads. (I'm 99% sure that I'm taking a 3rd baseman for the yanks, but want to make sure boone is healthy first... )
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| 117 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Feb 27, 2004, 22:22
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If you (or anyone) makes early draft picks, just make them in this thread for now.
I 'll set up the draft thread sometime this weekend.
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| 118 | Slackjawed Yokel
Leader
ID: 52347519
Sat, Feb 28, 2004, 00:53
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ok, I'll get this thing started:
1.01 Alex Rodriguez
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| 119 | J
Leader
ID: 49346417
Sat, Feb 28, 2004, 02:23
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damn, I wanted ARod!
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