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0 Subject: RIBC - Discussion #4

Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Fri, Mar 12, 2004, 16:15

The last discussion thread topped 200 posts, so it's time to reload.

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Draft order
1 SlackJawed Yokel
2 beastiemiked
3 tosh
4 Mattingly
5 blue hen
6 Caper
7 Peter N.
8 smartone
9 J
10 jumpball
11 species
12 Ref
13 Guru
14 Trip
15 darkside
16 KrazyKoalaBears
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175Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Mar 17, 2004, 18:06
Well lately, none of my nerves have been calmed!!! Man this is not going well.
176blue hen
      ID: 331038201
      Wed, Mar 17, 2004, 18:16
I still feel good about my last pick even though he doesn't seem to have been at the top of anyone's queue.

Glavine's the kind of guy who just sticks out when he's still not drafted, but I wasn't going to take him over Meche. And you never know about Rondell White. But the last guy to go that I had any serious interest in was Scott Williamson. And I already have five relievers.
177J
      Leader
      ID: 49346417
      Wed, Mar 17, 2004, 18:24
Williamson & Rondell White were at the top of my last queue with Alvarez. Alvarez had been in my sights for a few rounds now.
178Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Mar 17, 2004, 18:36
I accidently got my Suppan and Grudz rationales intermingled. My so much for the list part should be for the Suppan pick. Not that it adds or subtracts much value.

I like Rondell White. Had him as my top OF left, but wanted Alvarez if he was on the board. If both of them were gone, I was going to take a SS to help make up for all my injuries that I've already incurred.
179KrazyKoalaBears
      Leader
      ID: 517553018
      Wed, Mar 17, 2004, 19:07
Meche, Alvarez, May, and Pavano. All were on my pitcher (too?) short list. All are gone. Yippee.
180KrazyKoalaBears
      Leader
      ID: 517553018
      Wed, Mar 17, 2004, 20:56
Where oh where did darkside go? I've got some picks I'm itching to make because it's the only time I know for sure that I'll get the guys I'm looking at. :)
181darkside
      ID: 4218517
      Wed, Mar 17, 2004, 21:02
Just got on KKB. Am looking at the situation (massacre?) right now and should make a decision in the next 45 or so minutes.
183blue hen
      ID: 4300290
      Wed, Mar 17, 2004, 22:19
did darkside just pick and leave?
184darkside
      ID: 4218517
      Wed, Mar 17, 2004, 22:56
no, got a phone call. have to do a few things, but should have my pick in the next 45min.
185blue hen
      ID: 4300290
      Wed, Mar 17, 2004, 23:54
uhhh...
186darkside
      ID: 4218517
      Wed, Mar 17, 2004, 23:55
If you really want I can leave it till morning.
188Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 01:02
Queue sent to KKB- hopefully he's an earlier riser than me.
189Tosh
      Sustainer
      ID: 57721710
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 02:33
When it comes around to me at 22.14, I will not be around to pick until approx. 1:30 Pacific time. I am unable to come up with an 11-man queue with the assorted lot of misfits and role players I see remaining on the draft sheet. Sorry for any delays.
190Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 09:52
Cormier and Bradford were my entire list this pick. Only had a few picks before me. Again, my horrible last part of the draft has been mostly due to having to change strategies at the last second because the players I wanted to fit my need were swiped out in front of me.
191Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 10:09
There were several pitchers that are projected much better than Anderson, but my gut just wouldn't let me take those other guys over him.
192blue hen
      ID: 331038201
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 11:52
Argh. Another report on how many picks per day we've done?
193Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 12:13
343 picks in the book. That's about 20 per day.

We have 57 picks to go. If we don't finish over the weekend, we should wrap up on Monday. I'll try to have everything updated at Yahoo shortly after the draft completes, and I'll give everyone a chance to look over their posted rosters there before releasing the hounds.

At that point, all undrafted players will be on waivers for 2 days. Waiver order will be reverse draft order (i.e., KKB will be #1).
194darkside
      Dude
      ID: 3590317
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 12:17
Still antsy to make your next pick, blue hen?

I think we've done incredibly well in getting the draft done in a timely manner. Thanks to everyone for being so diligent about checking in, it's been a good draft (but very difficult!).
195smartone @work
      Donor
      ID: 29452720
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 12:23
since J has only partial browsing access, I just emailed him the previous draft picks and I assume that he'll get back to me shortly. However, I will be out today between 12:45-16:00, so in case that I don't hear from J until 12:40 or so, I would like to have someone else take care of both of J and my picks. Therefore, if anyone is available - please let me know and I'll email you my 2-men queue (well, it's actually 1 name at this moment) and I'll also ask J to email his pick to this new address, thanks!
196Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 12:26
I'll be around for queue management today.
197J
      Leader
      ID: 49346417
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 13:11
the email from smartone just said to email my pick to guru, but I actually got in here and picked myself, hope thats just as good!
198blue hen
      ID: 331038201
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 13:24
Actually, this is one of the best slow drafts I've ever been in, and I think that's largely due to a great selection committee. I remember the XFL draft was lousy because nobody knew any of the players and we had guys who'd go away for days at a time. I think here we were selected for our devotion and Guru did a great job of discerning that. As I said before, I'd like to see some of his thought process about why each manager was picked for this league.

Actually, I'm only antsy because I don't have anyone in particular in mind for my next pick. With Crain, I knew I was going to get him and it was just a matter of time until I made the pick. Now I just want it to get to me so I have a clear idea of what my options are.

199KrazyKoalaBears
      Leader
      ID: 517553018
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 13:26
"Now I just want it to get to me so I have a clear idea of what my options are."

You know it's a tough league when I'm over a round and a half away from picking again and I'm thinking the same thing.

200blue hen
      ID: 331038201
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 13:28
Actually, this is one of the best slow drafts I've ever been in, and I think that's largely due to a great selection committee. I remember the XFL draft was lousy because nobody knew any of the players and we had guys who'd go away for days at a time. I think here we were selected for our devotion and Guru did a great job of discerning that. As I said before, I'd like to see some of his thought process about why each manager was picked for this league.

Actually, I'm only antsy because I don't have anyone in particular in mind for my next pick. With Crain, I knew I was going to get him and it was just a matter of time until I made the pick. Now I just want it to get to me so I have a clear idea of what my options are.

201blue hen
      ID: 331038201
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 13:35
Dammit. Why does it post twice all the time. 4 minutes apart.

J took Laynce Nix, who was my highest rated corner player (1B, OF, DH) left. That's the bad news. The good news is that he's the first player on my radar to go in well over a round. And I saved some money on car insurance.
202J
      Leader
      ID: 49346417
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 13:44
lmao, I get ripped off on my car insurance, even with Geico.

I've been looking at Nix for a while now and wasn't sure when to take him. I've got my eye on a couple other pitchers, but didnt feel right about taking them right now. I don't really know much about Nix other than he likes to strike out and not walk, brilliant!
203Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 1629107
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 14:00
Note to Guru - My rationale for my 18th round pick, Horatio Ramirez, is in post 65 of the Rationale Thread.
204Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 14:05
And my 19th round rationale is posted in the thread but is out of order. It needs to be cut and pasted and then the out of order post deleted.

Geesh....can't we get good moderator help these days? Good help is so HARD to find.
205beastiemiked
      ID: 2601988
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 14:14
Wickman to miss first half of season with elbow injury

Sorry Darkside. I'm sure J will console you.
206Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 14:29
I was getting Riske with that next pick before J took him. Almost took him earlier but knew he'd be available later. My motto has always been that if you want a player, grab him now and reach--don't take chances. I've done that with a few picks, but just thought he'd drop and I was right--but just didn't drop far enough.

I hate slow drafts with a passion. You are tied to the computer waiting on your pick at times and news happens during the draft and it can be unfair. I'd much rather do it all at once in a fast draft no matter how long it takes. That being said, this has been by far the best slow draft I've ever been a part of. I agree with Blue Hen *Doh! did I just say that?!?!* ;) I think the thing that slowed it down as much as it did (at least for me) was the quality picks being made that forced us to re-research our needs to that of what was still left. These deep leagues with such great competitors make me such a better student of the game.
207darkside
      Dude
      ID: 3590317
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 14:43
Wow, that's really terrible for my team (and great for J's). I was unhappy when J took Riske as I knew I needed to have him on my team for exactly this reason, but thought he would get back to me. That'll teach me. This really sucks, though. Thanks for the info.
209Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 15:22
Lemme guess - here's the Rickie Weeks rationale:

22.12 Rickie Weeks, 2B, Mil
Placeholder.
210blue hen
      ID: 331038201
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 15:24
Have you at least heard of him?
212Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 15:26
We've had a few (2 or 3, I think) draft picks that are not yet listed on Yahoo. What I'd like to do is assign some name to each of those slots on Yahoo, rather than leaving them empty. This will help us monitor those situations.

Who would be good placeholders? Aaron Boone is one thought that comes to mind. Someone who will not produce any stats, and whose name is easily recognizable. Any other ideas?
213darkside
      Dude
      ID: 3590317
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 15:27
Gutsy pick w/ Weeks.

I knew I was delusional to even entertain the slightest hope that Jimenez would still be around. Thanks for confirming, MITH.
216blue hen
      ID: 331038201
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 15:46
Use Jesse Foppert. He's out a while and has proved not to be that effective when he does pitch. Also, you can use Mike Bordick - he's retired.

As for Weeks, I can't post any kind of rationale without mentioning other players. Basically, I had it narrowed down to about 8 remaining middle infielders, and I thought weeks had the most potential to escape mediocrity. If he does, he'll play. If not, he'll sit on the bench and it's not like I'm losing all that much.

At this point in the draft, I'm out of players I want. Everyone who I expected to draft ended with Crain. At this point, I'm looking for potential to become elite rather than getting some middling player who might only contribute slightly to the counting stats. As I've said, I might have taken Nix here to add some depth, but once he went, I knew it was up to the middle infielders for this pick. I flesh that out a bit when I post my rationale.
217darkside
      Dude
      ID: 3590317
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 16:02
Is Weeks gonna make the team? Rotowire, while they're not the end all of info, is saying he was assigned to AA and is most likely to be a mid-year callup...do you think he'll make the ML roster?
218Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 16:26
Weeks is an upside pick with no current value.....and darkside is correct. Weeks is in AA now and would be unlikely to return, barring injury on the ML club, until July at the earliest, if not Septempber when rosters expand.

Plus, MY extra MI, Junior Spivey, is going to kick so much ass that there's no need to rush Weeks to the majors!

Of course, that could also mean Spivey gets traded to some New York team who needs a 2b. ;-)
219blue hen
      ID: 331038201
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 16:32
I thought about that Darkside, but I hadn't heard anything like that until you said it. Basically, I can put Weeks in the slot and not hurt my OBP and SLG instead of getting some crappy player. If Weeks comes up and starts hitting (a la Cabrera), then in he goes.
220blue hen
      ID: 331038201
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 16:37
Don't you mean the Mets? I hear they have too many shortstops...
221beastiemiked
      ID: 2601988
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 16:57
Amazing, Tosh steals my guy 1 pick before me twice in a row.
222KrazyKoalaBears
      Leader
      ID: 517553018
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 16:59
Guru, you can add John Burkett (retired) to the list of placeholder names.
223Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 17:13
Rationale for Rivas (didn't anyone else think RJ was a little too convincing as a pro bowler):

20.03 Rivas - 2B - Min

Time to lock up my last batting position. I am a believer in the old fantasy adage that hitters are easier to gauge than pitchers when drafting. I did have Orlando Hudson projected higher in my rankings (4.33 to 3.26 - Soriano scored a 16.65), I drafted Rivas for his projected SB totals (21 vs 8) and these projections are the highest of the remaining ugly bunch of availables. Rivas could very well swipe 30 this year (31 in 2001) after coming off two injury plagued seasons. At 24 Rivas is also another in my large group of under 25'ers, and like the rest of this group, has significant upside.

224Tosh
      Sustainer
      ID: 57721710
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 17:14
bmd - We must have the same draft tendencies, because I've lost count of the number of times I've silently cursed your name. Great minds think alike.
227Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 17:31
Ref 206:
Hate to pimp my league in this thread but I have an ESPN style league with a live draft described here. It is set up like ESPN (one less OF than this format) and I would be willing to increase the amount of managers to 12. Blue Hen has showed interest if that helps.

Only 2 managers remaining to have a full roster!
Guru - 1 MI
Smartone - 2 Pitchers
229Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 18:12
I just set up a new rationale thread for rounds 21-25.
230blue hen
      ID: 4300290
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 23:29
Hmm. I was right. After Crain it goes downhill. Weeks still fits into my plans, but I really feel hampered at the middle infield position. Castro was the guy I always wanted to back up Piazza, but it feels odd for some reason.

Anyway, the team is fine.
231Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, Mar 18, 2004, 23:59
Trip, doubt if I can fit much more on my plate, but I'll take a look.

BH are you on crack? that 23.12 is my pick. I think you meant 23.05.
232blue hen
      ID: 4300290
      Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 00:30
I'll fix it when the crack wears off. And maybe I'll fix my last two picks as well.
233Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 08:31
I'm going to start up one more discussion thread to take us to the finish line.
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