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Subject: RIBC - Discussion #5
Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 08:32
Let's bring this puppy home!
Links: Draft picks roster grid
Draft order
1 SlackJawed Yokel
2 beastiemiked
3 tosh
4 Mattingly
5 blue hen
6 Caper
7 Peter N.
8 smartone
9 J
10 jumpball
11 species
12 Ref
13 Guru
14 Trip
15 darkside
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| 1 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 08:47
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As has been our custom, we'll revert to the 12-hour clock for the weekend.
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| 2 | Trip
Donor
ID: 13961611
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 09:16
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My 401st ranked player just made my shortlist...and I don't even think he'll make it back to me.
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| 3 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 10:40
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I just updated the draft picks at Yahoo through 23.06.
The following substitutions were used as placeholders:
Jesse Crain=>John Burkett
Akinori Ohtsuka=>Jesse Foppert
Terrmel Sledge=>Aaron Boone
When those players (Crain, Ohtsuka, Sledge) are made available in Yahoo, the corresponding placeholder player will be exchanged. If any of the placeholder players are dropped first, then the claim to the target player is obviously void.
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| 4 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 10:42
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Caper - I love your nickname for Rondell White. How appropriate.
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| 5 | Caper
Donor
ID: 1535108
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 11:07
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I would love it if he did not live up to it. I am sure I stole from somewhere... Rotowire?
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| 6 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 11:26
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What if John Burkett unretires and I want to claim him?
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| 7 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 11:31
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We'll cross that bridge when we get to it.
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| 8 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 11:40
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smartone has an interesting strategy going. I'm actually very interested in how it turns out.
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| 9 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 12:27
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You mean with the catchers? I like that. Or do you mean getting two of every position? Don't really like that so much.
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| 10 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 12:31
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Or perhaps his lack of pitching? Only 7 pitchers drafted so far, and very low in projected IP.
Looks OK for saves, ERA, and WHIP, but woeful in W and K.
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| 11 | smartone @work
Donor
ID: 29452720
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 12:46
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I am tempted to reply to the above but I'll wait until we finish the draft
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| 12 | J
Leader
ID: 49346417
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 13:30
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Ref, if it makes you feel any better, I was hoping for Guiel!
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| 13 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 13:34
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You should have hoped for Grissom, who could very well be hitting 3rd in front of Bonds this year.
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| 14 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 13:41
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Guru hit what I was looking at. 2 picks left and 2 pitching slots open. Interesting. :)
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| 15 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 14:02
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I almost took Grissom earlier, but the more I read about Guiel, the more I couldn't believe he was still on the board. Didn't matter as Grissom went off before it got back to me anyhow.
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| 16 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 14:08
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Rationale for
21.12 Alex Gonzalez, SS, ChC
I needed a shortstop.
That's about the extent of my rationale. My starters are injured. AGonz is a notorious free-swinger who strikes out a lot. His OBP is hedious. The saving grace is that he sometimes connects and he plays for one of the better teams it seems. His SLG isn't too bad considering he's often walking back to the dugout from the batter's box. But bottom line, I had to have a SS and he seemed to be the best available to have any hope to help me immediately.
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| 17 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 14:46
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Guru - I had my eye on Broussard as well.....he's murdering the ball this spring. Great SLG this March. Too bad March doesn't count! ;-)
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| 18 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 15:02
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Ref - maybe you should have drafted Rickie Weeks....
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| 19 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 15:10
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Darn. Kielty was my last pick. Would anyone have taken Castro?
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| 20 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 15:14
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Yes hen. Castro's ripping the cover off the ball and is a nice sleeper C pick.
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| 21 | Tosh
ID: 43220198
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 15:21
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I am currently trapped at a law seminar in Sacramento. If my turn comes around again, I will be on-line at approx. 5:30 California time. Sorry if I hold things up.
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| 22 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 15:22
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Mmmm... Sacramento...
Go to hear it Species. I think he'll be pretty great, but, as all late round players do, he's got some warts.
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| 23 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 15:22
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blue hen, don't think Weeks can help me immediately while he's in the minors.
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| 24 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 15:25
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Also, if Guiel would have been taken, I would have gotten Kielty.
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| 25 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 1629107
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 15:36
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I was eyeing Kielty and Villarreal. Nice, KKB.
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| 26 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 15:47
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MITH, glad to have been of service. :)
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| 27 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 16:01
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Ref - that's the point. He won't drag your numbers down like Alex will...
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| 28 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 16:34
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Nixon out until May........welcome to my Opening Day Lineup, Mr. Grissom.
Article also notes Nomar Garciaparra possibly missing Opening Day with achilles tendinitis.
Don't you just love these early drafts? lol
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| 29 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 16:45
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Species, I looked at Beltre and Blake very hard before choosing Blake. Being a Dodgers fan, that should tell you something right there!!! Hopefully this will be the year for Beltre, but those words are uttered every year it seems.
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| 30 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Fri, Mar 19, 2004, 16:52
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hahahahaha.....I hear you Ref. I pretty much narrowed it down to the exact same guys. We all have good reason to diss Beltre, but at this point in the draft for a backup, why the heck not?!? I read somewhere he could hit 3rd....maybe that's just what he needs to turn it around!
Wishful thinking I know.....but what the heck.
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| 31 | blue hen gettin laid
ID: 53255202
Sat, Mar 20, 2004, 04:06
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My Kapler pick was also specifically tied to the Nixon injury, although I have all my starters intact for now. I briefly considered Batista (and would have considered Beltre if I'd realized he was still around) but Kapler was ahead of any of those guys.
Sorry I wasn't at my customary place in front of the computer this Friday evening. I had a lot of fun tonight, but I did hold up the draft. Only one pick to go.
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| 32 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 217351118
Sat, Mar 20, 2004, 08:50
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Guru,
I wont be available for most or possibly all of the day. Ive emailed you my 23rd and 24th round rationales and a 3-player queue for my 25th round pick. If all three names should be taken before my pick, waste no time in skipping me - don't bother with giving me the allotted time - as I may not have access again until sometime tomorrow.
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| 33 | Tosh
ID: 43220198
Sat, Mar 20, 2004, 13:01
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2-man queue and rationale emailed to Guru. Thanks Guru!
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| 34 | blue hen
ID: 4300290
Sat, Mar 20, 2004, 19:15
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I wimped out and took AGone. But I might still play Weeks.
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| 35 | smartone
ID: 292331411
Sun, Mar 21, 2004, 08:42
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J, you owe me a "player to be named" for stealing my 25.08 draft pick.
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| 36 | smartone
ID: 292331411
Sun, Mar 21, 2004, 08:43
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jumpball - you are next!
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| 37 | smartone
ID: 292331411
Sun, Mar 21, 2004, 15:38
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ATTN Guru: There seems to be a little error in the Grid, as Pena has to be assigned to J's team (he mistakenly picked before me) while I picked Utley (and it's jumpball's turn to draft).
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| 38 | J
Leader
ID: 49346417
Sun, Mar 21, 2004, 17:29
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I swear I'm never gonna pick at 4am again!!!
smartone, did you want Pena? He's yours if you want him, I had a backup plan anyways. I'll trade you the rest of my draft :)
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| 39 | Trip
Donor
ID: 13961611
Sun, Mar 21, 2004, 17:33
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J
I will take Pena from you if the player you want is still available when I'm up.
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| 40 | J
Leader
ID: 49346417
Sun, Mar 21, 2004, 18:02
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no no, I want Pena!!!
I just made my pick when it was actually smartone on the clock, so this offer only applies to him!
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| 41 | smartone
ID: 292331411
Sun, Mar 21, 2004, 19:06
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3-way trade offer:
Pena goes: J-->smartone-->trip
J gets a 25th round pick
smartone gets... emmm... Brownie (from trip)
deal...?
BTW, who the f*X*X* is Pena? J, why did you think about him at 4AM? ;-)
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| 42 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Mar 21, 2004, 19:41
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Incredibly enough, Species takes my final pick from me. Back to the drawing board.
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| 43 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Mar 21, 2004, 19:48
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The rationale thread is way behind.
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| 44 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Mar 21, 2004, 20:05
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Let's relax standards for the last 3 rounds of rationales. If you have any, post them - in any order. But if you have no compelling rationale (other than "he's breathing and I needed the position"), feel free to skip it.
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| 45 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Mar 21, 2004, 20:06
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Ref - I figured you'd steal my final pick. But you went with a different Dodger pitcher.
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| 46 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Sun, Mar 21, 2004, 21:54
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I went with the *former* Dodger pitcher to screw Ref ;-)
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| 47 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Sun, Mar 21, 2004, 22:08
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Guru, what about just consolidating our last rationales into a single post? I'm sure that would work for most people.
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| 48 | blue hen
ID: 4300290
Sun, Mar 21, 2004, 22:45
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Good idea, KKB. I did it.
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| 49 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sun, Mar 21, 2004, 23:12
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That's fine [47].
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| 50 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Mar 22, 2004, 09:50
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Draft complete. Here are the next steps:
Please review the draft results posted at the Yahoo site. Make sure that I have entered your team correctly.
Also, post any remaining rationales. Don't worry about the sequence for the final 3 rounds.
Finally, please post your overall reactions in the draft recap thread.
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| 51 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Mar 22, 2004, 11:01
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LOL, Guru! I was looking hard at both of them. Figured Dreifort wouldn't be on anyone's list since he wasn't on some of the projection sheets at all that I had. Thought Dreifort had more upside (and downside) whereas you know what you're getting from Shuey. My pick wasn't safe at all and could be tossed back to the FA list pretty quickly.
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| 53 | Trip
Donor
ID: 13961611
Mon, Mar 22, 2004, 12:13
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Congrats to everyone on a job well done. I am working on my draft recap but don't see myself finishing it until Wednesday.
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| 54 | blue hen
ID: 372102211
Mon, Mar 22, 2004, 14:27
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Guru, you're nuts. No way do I finish 15th in wins...
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| 55 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Mar 22, 2004, 14:36
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Don't blame the messenger. They aren't my projections.
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| 56 | smartone @work
Donor
ID: 29452720
Mon, Mar 22, 2004, 14:41
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BlueHen, my projections for your Wins is pretty close... 66 Wins, only 3-points... :-(
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| 57 | beastiemiked
ID: 2601988
Mon, Mar 22, 2004, 14:59
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Where do you expect to finish with only 4 SP's?
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| 58 | Trip
Donor
ID: 13961611
Mon, Mar 22, 2004, 22:02
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Draft results look good to me.
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| 59 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Mar 22, 2004, 23:52
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It's funny how vastly different these "projectors" rate these guys. I think Guru's combined average has me better as a whole than each individual projection. It's gonna take me a minute to get used to playing with 9 active pitchers as well as a CI and MI. Lots of players to actively manage.
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| 60 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 23, 2004, 10:02
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After 24 hours, no one reported any draft discrepancies, so I released the league. You now must set your lineups sometime prior to opening day.
Remember that the following three players are protected:
Jesse Crain (blue hen)
Terrmel Sledge (MITH)
Akinori Ohtsuka (darkside)
When those players are made available, please do not pick them up via a waiver claim. Leave them so that the drafting team can take them as a free agent.
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| 61 | the_abbott
Sustainer
ID: 44010135
Tue, Mar 23, 2004, 13:59
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Guru
Having completed your RIBC Draft I know that this could be quite a cheeky ask but as a member of the RIBC #2 Qualifying League being commished by Twarpy, and a Draft and Trade rookie from across the pond delighted to have been invited into this league, I wondered if you have been keeping a curious eye over the 3 Qualifying Leagues and will you comment on them at any point.
The RIBC #2 QL is very close to completion and you can view the Draft Grid here.
In view of the level of competition you were hoping for to complement your own league I wondered how much work it would be for you to analyse our own draft in the same way you have done for yours and if it was possible could you post the results in our latest discussion thread here.
If I were proficient in Excel/Access, which I am not, I would do it myself and I suppose the shortest answer you could respond to this request would-be 'No' but I hope not.
I am sure that this saying his universal but it goes "if you do not ask you will never know the answer".
the_abbott
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| 62 | smartone @work
Donor
ID: 29452720
Tue, Mar 23, 2004, 14:10
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the_abbott, I will be happy to run the "Projections-table" for your league based on the projections that I possess. However, in order to do it, I will ask you to email me an Excel sheet in the following format:
1. Each row contains the Manager_Name (first column) and each one of his draft picks in the following columns
2. The format of the players' names has to be "FAMILYNAME, FIRSTNAME" (for instance: Rodriguez, Alex)
3. It would be even better to show only the "active" players in every team (exclude the bench players) which are typically the guys selected in the last 3-5 rounds.
I am sure that Guru can help you more, but this is the best that I can do.
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| 63 | the_abbott
Sustainer
ID: 44010135
Tue, Mar 23, 2004, 14:28
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Smartone; thanks, that is very good of you. Now to avoid any mistakes on my part does each name go in one column or would you require separate columns for surname & christian name?
And can each column/pick then go in the order of position, C, 1B, 2B, 3B etc etc?
As I am 5+ hours ahead of EST it will be a little project that I could do tomorrow morning and then send on to you. Will that be okay?
the_abbott
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| 64 | smartone @work
Donor
ID: 29452720
Tue, Mar 23, 2004, 14:49
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the_abbott:
1. Please put each PLAYER in a cell, so Helton, Todd will be in cell B2, Posada, Jorge in cell C2 etc (please note that there has to be a space after the comma sign)
2. I think that having them by position is OK but not so important. All I need is the 21 active players (this is a significant drawback to the Prediction Chart that I have as it gives ZERO weight to the bench players which will be used during the season)
3. the_abbott: take your time... if the data is well prepared - it would take me a couple of minutes to run the predictions (I will probably need to manually change a couple of names, usually the players with 3 names, like Kim Byung-Hyung or players with "Jr.", for example)
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| 65 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Mar 23, 2004, 15:11
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the_abbott: if you send me the same file, I can probably churn out similar tables reasonably quickly.
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| 66 | Species
Leader
ID: 7724916
Tue, Mar 23, 2004, 18:52
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The short bench is a challenge for those impaired by injury. I only have 2 bench players available for duty. Ugh. And my 2 injured guys are each out a month :(
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