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Subject: RIBC & RQLs:? Format Deficiency
Posted by: loki
- [23101722] Sat, Apr 24, 2004, 08:39
after the first few weeks of the season there appears to be a deficiency in the deep draft format. in my league, rql#2, one manager has had an amazing start due to the nature of his draft. while i have offered him my congratulations, i am hopeful that the law of averages will set in as thus far he has garnered 140 of 160 possible points.
however, this illustrates the problem with the deep draft format. with such a large number of players drafted, it is nearly impossible to make significant improvements to one's team. the teams can only be tweaked through trades as no manager is likely to trade a major producer and most of the managers are too astute to be duped into making a poor trade. in fact in my league i believe there has yet to be a trade. players available through waivers are those dropped because they were not performing and therefore are not worth picking up. finally, the free agent pool is composed primarily of players who were unwanted in the first place. the sole exception of note was tony womack. the only realistic chance of significantly advancing in the standings is the law of averages.
hence the deficiency with this format: the outcome is too dependent on the initial draft, and one's season may be lost before it even has begun. of course this does to a degree mimic mlb. |
| 1 | Ender
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ID: 13443221
Sat, Apr 24, 2004, 10:32
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Patience...
(and remember it is CEHP we're talking about ;)
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| 2 | KrazyKoalaBears
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ID: 517553018
Sat, Apr 24, 2004, 10:52
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The key with deep leagues like this is that you're not likely to find any all-around players left for the taking. So, you have to start looking at particular categories that you need. Is there a basestealer avaialable who won't hurt your other categories TOO much, but who can help your SB? Is there a power hitter who can help your SLG while not killing your OBP? You're not likely to find many all-around players left. If you do, consider yourself lucky. This isn't a deficiency, IMHO. It's a change of pace. And as the last place manager in RIBC, I can assure you that this is not a skewed view from the top of the league. ;)
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| 3 | Khahan
ID: 153241812
Sat, Apr 24, 2004, 11:24
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I'd actually completely disagree with you Loki.
After the first 2 weeks of play, I was struggling to stay out of the basement in the first qualifier league.
Then, 2 weeks into the season, I gained 26 points in 1 single night. My team simply came alive, that's all there is to it.
I jumped to around 9th place. Since then, I've maintained a steady pace, chipping away at +1 and +.5 points per night and have climbed up to 6th place as of today.
I've made 8 roster moves, most of which have come in the last week and a half or so.
I've also felt a bit hamstrung in what little roster flexibility I have as 3 guys I was greatly counting on for help (Prior, Lieber and Nixon) have been on the DL since before the season began.
You just have to keep a sharp eye on day to day games and have a bit of luck in predicting who is getting hot and who is cooling off.
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| 4 | Ref
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ID: 539581218
Sat, Apr 24, 2004, 13:28
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In baseball, I especially disagree with you. I not only play in this 16 team league, but also in a 20 team league with Gurupies. It is deep and it is the most fun I've ever had in roto. It is deep so you are dealing with some players that you'd never normally consider and you take chances on players that will likley never perform. Last year, for instance, I had Willis long before he got hot. In fact I dropped him and was just beat out from getting him back--all BEFORE he was all the rage. Be patient. It is a LOT of fun.
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| 5 | Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 41831612
Sat, Apr 24, 2004, 13:50
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Without reading everything here, my advice, as usual, is to trade. A lot. ;)
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| 6 | R9
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ID: 2624472
Sat, Apr 24, 2004, 18:08
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Mike, when's your Trading seminar starting? ;)
I have to agree, and like KKB I say that as the current last-place manager in RQL #1. (No thanks go out to Larry Walker, Nick Johnson, Brad Wilkerson, and my entire inept pitching staff.) The main thing I love about these two leagues (I'm in the 20 team league Ref mentioned too) is that a guy doesn't need to be a 100-25-100 hitter just to have marginal value. For example, I dropped Gabe Kapler for Eric Byrnes, and Jeff D'Amico for Eric Dubose. (who happens to be my staff ace at the moment...) How many even moderately deep leagues would see transactions like that? If Dubose busts he'll go back, but if he blossoms I'll enjoy the fact that I had him before 90% of MLB even knew who he was. With all the available regular 12-team leagues out there, these two are a refreshing change.
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| 7 | holt
ID: 363613
Sat, Apr 24, 2004, 18:17
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I prefer deep leagues by far. I'm also in a 12 team league and seeing the great players siiting there available drives me insane. I always want to pick them up but can't. I like to see all the quality players taken.
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| 8 | CanEHdian Pride
ID: 46033123
Sun, Apr 25, 2004, 00:57
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Pretty much in agreement with what has been said. A deeper league makes wise waiver pickups have even more impact.
I picked up Lew Ford a few weeks back and he has preformed VERY well for me. In a shallow league however, his solid production would be diluted by the fact that most of the league would be comprised by guys outperforming him. The fact that he is outplaying other players that are filling the lower ends of people's rosters makes his impact VERY significant. If you find some of these types of players or can make smaller trades that make your team incrementally better, you can make up ground in a hurry. Rate states see big time swings as well. Those OBP and SLG numbers will be quite volitile as the season progresses.
Also, what is wrong with rewarding a strong draft?
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| 9 | loki
ID: 23101722
Sun, Apr 25, 2004, 01:13
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i cannot disagree with any of the points that have been made in the previous posts. it was only my observation that success in this format is too heavily weighted towards the original draft, and that advancement during the season is too dependent on the law of averages with the value of trades, waivers and free agency minimized . that being said i am totally enjoying playing. this is the first time that i have played any fantasy game other than sw/tsn, and i am finding it a nice change of pace.
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| 10 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Apr 25, 2004, 12:22
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In my experience, it's not really the first half of the draft or so that makes your year, but the later rounds and the FA pickups during the year and trades that make it. When injuries or non-producers rear their ugly head, you've got to get the right combination of position and your cat weakness addressed on the fly.
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| 11 | azdbacker
ID: 573212513
Sun, Apr 25, 2004, 15:59
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Without a doubt, it is the back half of your draft that matters most. Unless, of course, you do like I did in Gurupie 20 (keeper league) and trade all your early draft picks away just so you could finish 4th the previous season. If you don't really have a first half of the draft, it tends to be pretty costly.
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| 12 | StLCards
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ID: 31010716
Sun, Apr 25, 2004, 16:17
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I prefer a deep league way better than a shallow league. The G20 is lots of fun and is my primary source of fantasy enjoyment. The keeper aspect is what makes it even better. A player gets hurt and you have to ride it out if he is a keeper. You mean you didn't plan on that scenario? Lew Ford is smokin' hot, but should you pick him up? oops, you waited a day, too late! How many people in a shallow league have Inge as their catcher? Strategy is so different between keeper and non-keeper league too. A keeper league requires you to continually look ahead. Players like Upton and Sizemore are drafted even though they may not even play until September. I'm still kicking myself for not picking up M. Cabrera last year while he was still in the minors. That would never happen in a non-keeper league. Having played in shallow and deep leagues, I definitely prefer a deep league.
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| 13 | JeffG
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ID: 1584348
Mon, Apr 26, 2004, 11:22
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This year is my first experience with deep leagues. I agree that the importance of the draft is huge, and being keen with free agents and waivers becomes primarily the in-season game. However, I think a deep league is where trading may become key. I think people are afraid to pull the trigger on trades early for fear of being 'duped', plus you want to kind of see how things fall. We'll most likely see more trades as the season progresses, and this could (and should) be where leagues are won and lost.
One problem I am adjusting to, with our deep league format is the small bench in regards to injured players. I know pickings would be even slimmer if we had DL slots available and could convert to extra roster players, but injuries leave holes without the bench spots redily available to provide support.
On the whole, I like the deep league. I scour to morning and in-game box scores even more than ever, looking at every teams complete order not just the top.
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