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0 Subject: RIBC - Regular Season Discussion #3

Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Mon, May 17, 2004, 09:07

I finally climbed out of the basement today, thanks to strong pitching outings by Halladay and Ponson. My team has been performing much better lately, ranked #5 based solely on stats through the first half of May.
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136KrazyKoalaBears
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      Tue, Jun 08, 2004, 21:24
I am SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO glad I benched Madson! Finally a decision that goes my way!
137KrazyKoalaBears
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      Fri, Jun 11, 2004, 08:35
Anybody want to put wagers on Mondesi being the most added/dropped player by the end of the season? ;)
138smartone
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      Fri, Jun 11, 2004, 08:52
I am not sure that he will be added by many teams, KKB. Rotoworld: Raul Mondesi will be out of action a minimum of 7-8 weeks due to a torn thigh muscle.
Mondesi, who played 10 innings after he tore his muscle thinking it was just a strain, could also be out of action for the rest of the season
139Mattinglyinthehall
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      ID: 1629107
      Fri, Jun 11, 2004, 08:55
I think KKB is saying that I won't be the last person to leap before looking and snatch him up. I saw that his quad was torn sometime after I put in my waiver claim, but forgot to cancle it.
140Ref
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      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Jun 11, 2004, 10:16
KKB, you'll be happy to know that Madson was sent back to the pen.
141KrazyKoalaBears
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      ID: 517553018
      Fri, Jun 11, 2004, 10:20
Yeah, I was referring to what MITH said/did. Mondesi seems to be a hot item given his on-again, off-again relationship with baseball this year. Who knows, maybe the injury isn't that bad and he's just looking to be released so he can play with a better team? But that would mean going back to the Yankees. ;)

Ref, I am indeed VERY happy with that news. I'm just hoping his stint as a starter didn't shake his confidence. Now if BAL will just put Lopez back in the pen...

142Ref
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      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Jun 11, 2004, 10:28
KKB, I got killed by Madson's trial as a starter in G20. I mean absolutely murdered. I fell several spots in both era and whip. It will take me awhile to try and recover from that. I had benched him, but with this news, I put him back in my lineup. Even though he may be a starter as early as next year, Those fast balls right down the middle don't look so fast at the start of the game. In fact, maybe he was trying to get ahead on the count to start the game by throwing strikes...I don't know but even the worst hitting team could hit those grapefruits down the middle.
143KrazyKoalaBears
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      Fri, Jun 11, 2004, 11:12
Ref, luckily(?) I got burned by R.Lopez being put in the BAL rotation. Taught me a real quick lesson about RP going to SP. That memory was still fresh in my mind for Madson's start, so I didn't take any chances. Honestly, if R.Lopez hadn't burned me, I probably would have started Madson and that would have been devastating to my team. I was already well behind in ERA and WHIP, so any setback like that would have been rough to recover from.

I actually got brave enough to put him back in my lineup for last night thinking PHI might bring him in for some relief work since he didn't pitch that much in his start. Also, I put him in because I benched Zach Day...

UGH! For all the things that have gone right for me over the last week (+19 points and +7 places), benching Day last night was a bad move. I second-guessed myself and it cost me 9 IP of 0.00 ERA and 0.67 WHIP. It also cost me a W and 4 K, but those can be made up. The ERA and WHIP part will be difficult, if not practically impossible, to make up.

Oh well, maybe I'll get lucky with Hudson against PIT and make it up tonight (I should be so lucky!). :)

144blue hen
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      Tue, Jun 15, 2004, 00:26
Prior and Clemens tonight. Too bad I didn't have Westbrook.
145 Mattinglyinthehall
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      Thu, Jun 17, 2004, 10:29
Anyone interested in Hafner or Hatteberg? They sport .967 and .923 OPS, respectively over the season and both have really turned it on recently, showing 1.005 and .959 in the last month. I'm looking for a similar producing OF in return.
146Mattinglyinthehall
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      Fri, Jun 18, 2004, 10:28
Hmmm

No responses. Well my issue is that I have 4 first baseman who produce notably better than some of my outfielders, but only 3 slots to play them. So I guess I'll add Helton (who I am reluctant to trade now that he is finally starting to produce like he should) and Daryle Ward (who I assume arouses little interest) to the table.

Take one of my first baseman (for a similar-producing outfielder). Please.
147Guru
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      Fri, Jun 18, 2004, 10:52
MITH - I just sent you an offer. With Preston Wilson soon to return, I'll soon have a spare OF.

I need to really rethink my strategy going forward. Unfortunately, I seem to be just below average in many categories, but there isn't an obvious category to punt. I do think, however, that it's more likely that I'll look to trade away pitching in order to improve hitting. If so, even Halladay or Pavano would be available.
148Species
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      ID: 7724916
      Fri, Jun 18, 2004, 11:22
Offer sent.

My problem initially was for Hatteberg or Hafner I didn't have a similarly producing OF! lol
149blue hen
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      Fri, Jun 18, 2004, 11:50
How about a hitter with a .920 career OPS? In thousands of at bats?
150Mattinglyinthehall
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      ID: 1629107
      Fri, Jun 18, 2004, 11:55
Blue Hen you mean that broken-down, injury-prone, over-the-hill, second-half disappearing Jim Edmonds? I know you can't possibly be suggesting that he is a reasonable offer in a straight up trade for Todd Helton. And since you have already said that you would not even drop your worst player to pick up Travis Hafner if I waived him, I guess you are offering Edmonds for Hatteberg?
151Species
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      ID: 7724916
      Fri, Jun 18, 2004, 12:08
Looks like my Koch experiment is over.....perhaps I should be glad! lol Luckily for me I have someone almost as effective to replace him in Jose Jimenez.

Perhaps I misjudged how damaging poor reliever ratios would be. I get several good starts, but then a (usually) reliable reliever (i.e. Reidling, and this Adams dude I got from the Brewers) gets bombed and it's 2 steps forward, 2.5 steps back :(

Woe is me.
152Slackjawed Yokel
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      ID: 52347519
      Fri, Jun 18, 2004, 12:28
MITH, I saw your counter. I'm going to be away until tonight. I'll look into it then.
153Peter N.
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      Fri, Jun 18, 2004, 12:42
MITH, offer sent.
154Mattinglyinthehall
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      ID: 1629107
      Fri, Jun 18, 2004, 12:50
I see that I've received a few more offers I'm getting busy at work so I'll have to look into the later on or this evening.
155blue hen
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      Fri, Jun 18, 2004, 13:39
Actually, I was talking about Edgar Martinez.
157Mattinglyinthehall
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      ID: 1629107
      Fri, Jun 18, 2004, 14:55
Edgar Martinez isn't an outfielder, and he isn't producing similarly to any of the players I have offered.
158blue hen
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      Fri, Jun 18, 2004, 15:45
That's why I said "hitter". That's fine, I'll keep him.
159blue hen
      ID: 372102211
      Tue, Jun 22, 2004, 12:45
Blech. I'm making my move. Just in the wrong direction.
160smartone @work
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      Fri, Jun 25, 2004, 11:32
what a waste of a #10-position waiver claim (Lehr). I didn't see the Beltran trade going to happen THAT quickly.... oh, well..
161Ref
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      ID: 539581218
      Fri, Jun 25, 2004, 12:49
I wasted my #1 on Payton. How bad is he this year?!?!
162KrazyKoalaBears
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      ID: 517553018
      Fri, Jun 25, 2004, 13:01
Payton? He's bad enough that I've had him on my team a couple of times and haven't seen any dividends. I actually picked him up a while back ago as insurance and he ended up being so bad that he never made it into my lineup (which was back in 15th or 16th at the time) and got dropped without having a single AB for that stay on my team.
163beastiemiked
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      ID: 3531815
      Fri, Jun 25, 2004, 13:04
Well considering Payton's career numbers he's not having that bad of a year. The only reason he was good the past 2 years was because of Coors. I feel for whoever is stuck with Bret Boone. Now he's having a terrible year.
164Slackjawed Yokel
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      Fri, Jun 25, 2004, 13:43
Yeah, that's me, bmd - in fact it was a waste of my 2nd round pick (last pick of the 2nd round). I remember I was debating on getting Rolen or Boone with this pick. Looking back at the draft results, you snagged Rolen right before me with your 2nd rounder. What a difference that would've made...

But don't feel too bad for me, as I now have a second closer (Lidge) without having to make any moves.
165Species
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      ID: 7724916
      Tue, Jun 29, 2004, 13:10
Incredible. Check out how close the standings are in the middle:

5 slackjawed yokel 91.5 -2 7 19
6 KrazyKoalaBalkers 90 +0.5 10 21
7 darkside of the moon 87.5 +2.5 1 42
7 Tosh 87.5 +3 5 12
7 Species 87.5 +0.5 6 14
10 Bmd's Saboteurs 87 +1.5 14 20
11 Macabee Tel-Aviv 86 +3 15 31

Be careful, slack! One bad night and you're in 11th! Incredible that a mere 5.5 points separates seven teams .

The top 8 are guaranteed spots next year? Wow. It will be competitive!
166darkside
      Dude
      ID: 3590317
      Tue, Jun 29, 2004, 13:26
I noticed that this morning. It'll be a real dogfight by the end. Top 9 guaranteed, 10 if Guru is in the top 10.
167darkside
      Dude
      ID: 3590317
      Wed, Jun 30, 2004, 08:53
Anyone who needs starting pitching is welcome to solicit me for trades. All of my starters (not trading any relievers) are available, including RJ and Schmidt. I don't feel desperate and won't have any qualms rejecting/counter offering what I feel is an uneven trade, but I need hitting help and thought I'd throw this out there. I'd prefer a big bat in the OF, but will look at any offer.
168Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Jun 30, 2004, 11:32
It's going to be hard to have even trades very often with the way these kind of leagues are set up. I suggest a win-win trade even if statistically one team has to overpay. But that might not work either. I've pretty much quit even looking to trade as even when I've tried to overpay it's been rejected. I'll still trade as that's one of my favorite aspects of these leagues--just not putting in all the effort like I was earlier in the year.
169blue hen
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      Wed, Jun 30, 2004, 15:40
Feel free to overpay me. I need it.
170Trip
      Donor
      ID: 13961611
      Wed, Jun 30, 2004, 17:44
Offer on the way...when I get home.
171Species
      Leader
      ID: 7724916
      Wed, Jun 30, 2004, 17:50
lol....looks like *I* was the one victimized by my post #165. YEOWCH!

I suck.
172darkside
      Dude
      ID: 3590317
      Thu, Jul 01, 2004, 09:06
Thanks for the offer, Trip. Just sent a counter.
173smartone @work
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      Thu, Jul 01, 2004, 11:00
MITH, please check the comment in my offer, thanks
174Mattinglyinthehall
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      ID: 1629107
      Thu, Jul 01, 2004, 11:39
smartone, your team is Macabee, correct?
175smartone @work
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      Thu, Jul 01, 2004, 12:23
yeah, just saw your response, MITH, thanks
176 Mattinglyinthehall
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      ID: 1629107
      Thu, Jul 01, 2004, 12:30
smartone

I believe my response was that I'd think about it after the ASB, correct? Reason being Daryle Ward is on the DL until then, so at the moment it isn't necessary for me to find an OF replacement for one of my 1b. My goal is to try to keep a good bat off the bench, so unless someone is interested in Ward, It’s not a priority for now. Really, I haven't received any offers of players that have produced similarly to my players asked for in return, but I will say that your previous proposal did come closest and that I found it tempting for that reason, but I just couldn’t bring myself to pull the trigger. If you want to talk more extensively about what we might be able to do to get a deal done, please feel free to email me.
177smartone @work
      ID: 10558714
      Thu, Jul 01, 2004, 14:54
Peter N. is killing us ... the difference between 1st and 2nd place is larger than the differnece between 2nd and 12th...
178Mattinglyinthehall
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      ID: 1629107
      Thu, Jul 01, 2004, 15:18
OK, smartone. Offer sent.
179KrazyKoalaBears
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      ID: 517553018
      Thu, Jul 01, 2004, 15:21
smartone, points matter little right now compared to stats. I haven't looked at Peter N's stats, but I went from last place to competing for the top 5 in the matter of a month based on exactly what I outlined in post 10.

Unfortunately, I decided to start J.Johnson and bench Batista today, so I'll likely be making my way back down to around 10th or so by the time today is over. UGH! ;)

180Peter N.
      Donor
      ID: 257161713
      Thu, Jul 01, 2004, 15:40
There is still plenty of time left. Oubviously, I like where I am sitting, but I also don't expect to keep a 25+ roto point lead for the rest of the year. That would be nice though. ;-) Losing Sexson for the rest of the year stings and that's going to be a huge void to try and fill down the stretch. It's going to be a challenge holding everyone off, but I'll have fun trying to. :-)
181Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Jul 05, 2004, 09:35
Peter N is absolutely smashing us. I was looking at his team and standings/stats and it will be a very tough chore to reel him in--esp. when I'm lacking a couple players. There are others right with me that are in the same position as I am. The only positive I can say for the rest of us is that he can have a bad week and fall hard and fast in a couple cats. If you look at his team, it is balanced and strong but he's not dominating in all of them--just overall. In otherwords, he can be caught and passed. But can enough of us do that? At this point it appears bleak and I gotta give my congrats on a well-played first half to him.

I'd love to get Delgado back and him have one of his typical 2nd half explosions, but I'm going to need more than that to catch him--so it's back to the drawing board. Wish Green would have the kinda year I envisioned after his slow start. Problem is, this has been one long slow start!
182KrazyKoalaBears
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      ID: 517553018
      Mon, Jul 05, 2004, 10:57
Funny how I couldn't GIVE Hinske away before June started...

Hinske in June: .371 OBP, .451 SLG, 13 R, 3 HR, 15 RBI, 4 SB

All I can say is THANK YOU TRIP! for not accepting that trade. I didn't think Lowell was ready for THAT big of a decline. The value of Eaton over Radke wouldn't have made up for it, not with the rest of my pitching staff starting to get their acts in gear. Ref's #91 nailed it.

183blue hen
      ID: 353412123
      Mon, Jul 05, 2004, 14:34
Yeah, I have Hinske in another league - and I so considered him a weakness that I traded for Eric Chavez... and now...
184darkside
      Dude
      ID: 3590317
      Thu, Jul 08, 2004, 10:01
smartone - Since there have been times that I didn't notice the little box had changed, I wanted to make sure you saw that I'd sent a counter offer. No worries if you did and are just thinking on it.
185smartone @work
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      Thu, Jul 08, 2004, 10:53
Darkside, yeah, I saw it, and I am was wondering if you happen to have any type of an Instant Messenger (AOL/AIM/ICQ/Yahoo....) to further discuss it with you.
186 darkside
      Dude
      ID: 3590317
      Thu, Jul 08, 2004, 11:07
Unfortunately, no. They keep pretty tight controls on what software I can put on my computer here at work and don't have any IM software installed. Sorry for being stuck in the 20th century. You can email if you think that would help.
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