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Subject: Edgar to the Hall? Posted by: Skidazl - Leader [379312323] Mon, Aug 09, 2004, 19:44 This one's for Razor... ;-) | |||||||
| 1 | Skidazl Leader ID: 379312323 Mon, Aug 09, 2004, 19:48 | Personally, I love Edgar, but being a DH for so much of his career makes have to say "No" on this one... | ||||||
| 2 | biliruben ID: 441182916 Mon, Aug 09, 2004, 19:51 |
So no fame for any DH, ever? Do they not qualify as a legitimate, "whole" ballplayer? Personally, I feel that no MLB player should be deemed defacto ineligible for the Hall. If you allow DHs in, Edgar should be the (first and last) one. | ||||||
| 3 | wiggs ID: 52731616 Mon, Aug 09, 2004, 19:58 | I dont think he can make the HOF, he only had like 2200 hits give or take, no world championships. | ||||||
| 4 | Perm Dude ID: 2343587 Mon, Aug 09, 2004, 20:02 | I think he fails on his own. Very good player who doesn't measure to HoF standards. | ||||||
| 5 | clv Sustainer ID: 5911351713 Mon, Aug 09, 2004, 20:02 | I agree with biliruben...IF there's going to be someone elected as a DH, it should be Edgar...but wiggs is probably right - if he has to be elected as a first baseman, the numbers probably just won't get there, no matter how you twist them. | ||||||
| 6 | Skidazl Leader ID: 379312323 Mon, Aug 09, 2004, 20:04 |
Personally, I don't feel Edgar would have played this long if he weren't a DH for the majority of his career, and his #s would probably be less... Someone who plays most of his career as a position player and then finishes as a DH to extend the career, by all means, if the #s are there, put him in... | ||||||
| 7 | Toral ID: 296551812 Mon, Aug 09, 2004, 20:04 |
From baseballreference.com: The 10 players with the most similar lifetime statistical lines to Edgar: Will Clark (907) Chuck Klein (882) * John Olerud (876) Bob Johnson (870) Larry Walker (857) Luis Gonzalez (855) Ellis Burks (854) Paul O'Neill (851) Gary Sheffield (850) Fred Lynn (843) HOFers: 1 (Klein) Legitimate HOFers: 0 | ||||||
| 8 | Filthy Rich ID: 315411012 Mon, Aug 09, 2004, 20:06 | The one thing about Edgar is he didnt get a regular job till he was late 20's so his counting stats won't add up no matter how you look at it. However, career BA: .312, OBP: .420, SLG: .518. I don't know how that stacks up HOF wise but they seem like pretty good numbers. All that said, I still think he probaby won't make it but it should be closer than many people believe. | ||||||
| 9 | Razor ID: 136401218 Mon, Aug 09, 2004, 20:48 | He was a great player at times but not for long enough. He had zero defensive value over the course of his career, something even Derek Jeter has. Like someone said, had he not been allowed to DH, his career would've ended 5 years ago. He was so fragile and such a "complete" player that the Mariners couldn't even play him in the field when interleague started and they had to go to NL stadiums. He was a great hitter. There is no denying that, but as a total package? He was argubly the worst defensive player and worst baserunner of his time. You've got to subtract that out of his great hitting. Then add in the longevity issue, and you've got a player on the outside looking in. Sorry, Edgar. Great DH but not a HoF'er. It's not that DH's shouldn't be let in at all, it's just that the standards for them are even higher than 1B's, and that level is pretty damn high. | ||||||
| 10 | Khahan ID: 75331212 Mon, Aug 09, 2004, 21:00 |
That is all well and good that his 'counting stats' don't add up because he got a late start. But no matter how you look at it...his counting stats don't necessarily add up. No excuses for Hall of Famers. Also, when you look at positions, you've got to consider that for most of his career, Edgar only had to focus on and worry about hitting. He's got marginal/borderline stats...for a guy who fields and hits. But Edgar only hits. Suddenly, his marginal/borderline stats just seem a little short. When all he has to focus on is hitting, I expect more. On the flip side, I don't want to be down on Edgar. He is a great ballplayer. He deserves a lot of respect for what he's done over the years, both on and off the field. But he simply doesn't add up in my book. | ||||||
| 11 | ChicagoTRS ID: 18711911 Tue, Aug 10, 2004, 11:22 |
The Hall of the very good...but not the Hall of Fame. I think the first player with more DH games than field games to be in the Hall will be Frank Thomas...given a few more decent years to pad his totals he should be a lock for the first DH in the Hall. He exceeds EMs offensive numbers already. | ||||||
| 12 | Tranquility ID: 18115269 Tue, Aug 10, 2004, 12:37 | I really don't feel he's a HOF player. There are too many great hitters that are ahead of him who have not been selected. He's a good hitter but nothing special. | ||||||
| 13 | blue hen ID: 372102211 Tue, Aug 10, 2004, 12:53 |
The case against Edgar has very little to do with being a DH and much more to do with his late start. It's not that he's got smaller counting stats, but it's that he was never among the very best in the game AND had smaller counting stats. I'm not opposed to a DH being in the Hall of Fame, but if his hitting falls short, you can fall back on his fielding, which is obviously not true with Edgar. He was a great player for a long time, but not great enough or long enough to make it into the Hall of Fame. | ||||||
| 14 | biliruben ID: 441182916 Tue, Aug 10, 2004, 13:15 |
Early in his career: After almost single-handedly shredding the yanks in the playoffs: 
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| 15 | R9 Leader ID: 02624472 Wed, Aug 11, 2004, 15:36 | How many players have more career BB then career K's? That .420 career OBP is just tops too, imho. I don't think he's got quite enough to get in, but like Filthy Rich I think it should be closer then 'he's simply good'. | ||||||
| 16 | blue hen ID: 372102211 Wed, Aug 11, 2004, 15:42 | So? Strikeouts are bad, but so are flyouts and groundouts. | ||||||
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