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Subject: WHIP
Posted by: rockafellerskank
- Dude [27652109] Wed, Sep 29, 2004, 01:21
Obviously, this stands for Walk and Hits per Inning. So, this might be stupid, but to HBPs count against a picthers WHIP?
I know I could look it up, but it's late and I'm lazy. Maybe is should be called WHHIP? |
1 | rockafellerskank Dude
ID: 27652109 Wed, Sep 29, 2004, 01:23
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While I'm thinking aboout it. Does a HBP add to a batters OBP? Does a FC or reached by interference, K/passed ball or error add to OBP?
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2 | Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Sep 29, 2004, 01:38
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hpb counts like a walk for both batter and pitcher. FC and errors counts against a hitter as does sacs. K is a K and gets on by an error. Interference...depends how it is scored. Catcher interference is an error by catcher, but if you hit your own runner with the ball, it counts as a single for you and the runner is out and all other runners return to their original bases.
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3 | Filthy Rich
ID: 31854154 Wed, Sep 29, 2004, 01:43
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I know hbp doesnt count towards whip, but does toward obp. The others count as a 0-1 in the boxscore I believe, so I don't think they'd help obp. I checked a batter or two though and their obp didnt compute using just bb,hbp and h.
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4 | Filthy Rich
ID: 31854154 Wed, Sep 29, 2004, 01:46
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had to look it up or else wouldve bugged me....obp = (h+bb+hbp)/(ab+bb+hbp+sf)
and whip is figured out just as its name suggests.
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5 | Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Sep 29, 2004, 01:53
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On-Base Percentage (OBP): Divide the total number of hits plus Bases on Balls plus hits by Pitch BY at Bats plus Bases on Balls plus hit by Pitch plus Sacrifice Flies In Derek Jeter's 434 at-bats, he has 152 hits, 59 walks, has been hit by 9 pitches, and he's hit 6 sacrifice flies. So here's the formula to determine his on-base average: (152+59+9)/(434+59+9+6)=220/508=.433
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6 | Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Wed, Sep 29, 2004, 01:55
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Walks Plus Hits per Inning (WHIP) Divide the total number of hits and bases on balls (walks) allowed by the pitcher by his total number of innings pitched. For example, if Jason Schmidt allows 138 hits and 61 bases on balls in 150 innings, his ratio is 1.33 ((138+61)/150).
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7 | Tastethewaste
ID: 22841815 Wed, Sep 29, 2004, 11:19
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So ref, you were wrong then in #2 right? HBP does not count in WHIP.
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8 | blue hen
ID: 372102211 Wed, Sep 29, 2004, 11:32
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HBP does not count in WHIP. That's why OBP against or OPS against is a better metric.
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9 | Tastethewaste
ID: 22841815 Wed, Sep 29, 2004, 11:45
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why wouldnt they just include HBP in WHIP, it doesnt make any sense to not include it, does it?
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10 | blue hen
ID: 372102211 Thu, Sep 30, 2004, 11:24
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Because it's walks plus hits divided by innings pitched. Why don't they include walks in batting average? They just don't.
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11 | Tastethewaste
ID: 22841815 Thu, Sep 30, 2004, 11:41
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Jesus, what a stupid answer.
Not to mention they have a statistic for walks in batting average, its called OBP.
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12 | Guru
ID: 330592710 Thu, Sep 30, 2004, 11:56
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I suspect that WHIP was principally a stat created for fantasy baseball. You seldom see it quoted anywhere other than in fantasy scoring.
Back in the days when most fantasy league recordkeeping was done by hand, the appropriateness of including HBP was probably outweighed by the desire for the simpler formula.
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13 | Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Thu, Sep 30, 2004, 12:05
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From a common sense approach, one would think that if you get HBP, you have gotten on base.
Taste, you need a hug.
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14 | Tastethewaste
ID: 22841815 Thu, Sep 30, 2004, 12:09
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Guru,
That makes the most sense. They should probably rework the stat to include HBP, i think it would make more sense, though HBP would barely effect WHIP anyway, who leads the league in HBP? What is it like 22 extra batters on base. I still think it should be included.
Ref...huh? I asked why HBP wouldnt be included, i got some answer a dad would tell a 3 year old "they just dont" I thought it was obnoxious.
And for the 2nd time in a few days in different threads, i have no idea what youre talking about in your 1 sentence response.
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15 | blue hen
ID: 372102211 Thu, Sep 30, 2004, 12:22
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Right, but if you included HBP, it wouldn't be (W)alks plus (H)its divided by (I)nnings (P)itched. If you don't like it, then find a different stat. In fact, most educated fans (yourself included) have already done that.
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16 | Tastethewaste
ID: 22841815 Thu, Sep 30, 2004, 12:36
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im not too worried about an acronym change.
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17 | The Left Wings
ID: 6142019 Thu, Sep 30, 2004, 13:17
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Because HBP should be considered an error.
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18 | Tastethewaste
ID: 22841815 Thu, Sep 30, 2004, 13:36
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by that logic a walk would have to be an error, unless intentional, a hanging curve that produced any sort of hit would be an error.
But youre probably kidding.
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