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Subject: RIBC 2005 - draft discussion #2
Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Wed, Mar 16, 2005, 13:00
The first draft discussion thread was getting pretty long. Time to reload.
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| 190 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Thu, Mar 24, 2005, 13:54
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........he meant by only saying "game" that you were implying that Texas Tech would lose their Sweet 16 game and not reach the Elite 8. You pessimist!
NOTE to Guru and KKB - queue change should be in your inboxes. Thanks.
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| 191 | Species
Leader
ID: 07724916
Thu, Mar 24, 2005, 14:35
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KKB - I'm looking for flashing police lights behind me -- I ran a stop sign in drafting Chad Fox. I checked Yahoo! and I spelled it right, I have no idea why I got the stop sign.
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| 192 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Mar 24, 2005, 15:11
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I don't see Fox listed in the Yahoo game. That's probably why you got the stop sign.
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| 193 | youngroman
ID: 298482214
Thu, Mar 24, 2005, 15:12
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Species - Chad Fox isn't listed in the Yahoo game yet.
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| 194 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Mar 24, 2005, 15:45
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I updated the draft results through round 23 at the Yahoo site: draft results
Please check your roster for accuracy. There are four unlisted players for whom I used placeholders:
Mark Teahen: coded as Robby Alomar
Huston Street: coded as Francis Beltran
Chad Fox: coded as Danny Bautista
Brandon Lyon: coded as Tim Salmon
In each case, when the drafted player becomes available, you may select him by dropping his alternate. Do not use a waiver claim to do so. (I may be able to force the change using Commissioner powers if you don't want to wait until the player clears waivers.) If you drop the placeholder without picking up the drafted player, your protected claim to that player is forfeited.
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| 196 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Mar 24, 2005, 16:53
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woah, hold up, I didn't draft loaiza, nor did I leave a queue with anyone.
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| 198 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Thu, Mar 24, 2005, 17:15
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Ref, that was my bad. Let me know who you want and I'll replace the pick. I got your pick mixed up with somebody else's queue... it's been a looooooooooooong day.
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| 199 | jumpball
Sustainer
ID: 33050298
Thu, Mar 24, 2005, 17:18
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Sorry to step on your toes, SY . . . I didn't know you were working on your rationalization as I was entering mine!
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| 200 | jumpball
Sustainer
ID: 33050298
Thu, Mar 24, 2005, 17:20
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and Ref -- I didn't see your "hold up" until after I had entered my 24.08 pick. It turns out that I picked about 5 minutes after you posted.
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| 201 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Mar 24, 2005, 17:20
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Give me Dewon Brazleton instead.
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| 202 | KrazyKoalaBears
Leader
ID: 517553018
Thu, Mar 24, 2005, 17:21
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Ref, consider it done. Again, that was completely my bad. Sorry.
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| 203 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Mar 24, 2005, 17:22
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No worries. Fortunately, I wasn't considering anyone that went after me so we're all good.
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| 207 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Thu, Mar 24, 2005, 21:59
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KKB-- I'll be online for only 60-90 more minutes at best. If my pick comes up, post it if I don't.
I'm going to be on the road most of the day tomorrow... will have to leave a queue again (new one from the existing one KKB has). Saturday, I'll be working, but should have reasonable access to pick for myself. Sunday is Easter. I will not be available.
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| 208 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Mar 24, 2005, 22:24
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bmd[86] said on Friday that he'd be back on Tuesday or Wednesday, but he hasn't been heard from since. I hope nothing's wrong.
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| 209 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Mar 24, 2005, 23:17
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I was thinking the same thing.
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| 210 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 01:29
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for bmd (I guess I should still pick for him? I haven't heard from him either and I hope he's ok...)
24.12 Todd Hollandsworth, ChC, OF)
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| 211 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 08:31
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Amyone out there for a queue for my last 2 picks?
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| 212 | rockafellerskank
Dude
ID: 27652109
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 08:50
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Gotta run.... sent Guru a queue since I pick twice before he picks again.
I'll do all recaps late today or early tomorrow.
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| 213 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 10:24
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Hopefully, we'll get through the final round today or tomorrow. IF so, I'll have the draft all coded into Yahoo by sometime on Sunday night, and I will release the draft and start the season on Monday. At that time, all undrafted players will be on waivers for 2 days.
Waiver priorities will be in the reverse of the opening round of the draft. Matt S will have the top waiver claim, and darkside will be #16.
Are there any other issues that should be addressed prior to activating the league?
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| 214 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 10:32
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Guru, I'm assuming waiver period will be for two days all season.
Once the draft is complete, are we still writing our rationales in order?
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| 215 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 10:34
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A few more logistical details.
When the draft completes, please add your final 2 rationales. Don't worry about keeping those final 2 picks in sequence. Also, please supply all delinquent rationales. Most of you are staying reasonably current, but some of you have some work to do.
At the end of the draft I will also initiate a thread for your comments on the overall draft.
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| 216 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 10:35
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Yes, the waiver period will be 2 days for the whole season.
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| 217 | Peter N.
ID: 362182510
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 11:20
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I'm back and made my last pick. I had a good time although the result is obviously disappointing. Thanks for the cover on the 24th round pick Dave.
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| 218 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 12:01
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I emailed J to see if he is available to make BMD's final round pick.
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| 219 | jumpball
Sustainer
ID: 33050298
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 13:29
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Something to consider as a possible rule change next year:
The debate in the pre-season about the possibility of adding a DL slot to each roster (in order to compensate for a vary shallow 4 person bench) combined with a very minor draft advantage for those in the top half of the draft (they draft early in 13 of 25 rounds; late in 12), I'd like to suggest the possibility of adding a 26th round to the draft.
The benefits are that each manager's bench would be lengthened a little and the minor advantage of being in the first half of the draft would be eliminated.
Granted, having the 1st pick on the 25th round is a miniscule advantage, but one player near the top of my queue has been taken before me already. I don't get the opportunity to return the favor!
Some managers will argue that there are no more players left. I disagree. There are at least a half a dozen players that I'd like to draft for my team, given the opportunity.
This probably does not warrant discussion now, but I wanted to put it out while it was fresh on my mind for someone to remember for next year's pre-season thread.
jb
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| 221 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 13:43
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jb, I begged for another bench spot. I even offered to take away a ci and mi or a pitcher slot, but was defeated, I think 12-4. I'd rather have another bench slot than a DL. I'd rather have a thinner FA pool and one more bench spot than the way it is. But all we can do is make the best of what we have. We're all playing on an even playing field and perhaps the four that voted for the change will benefit from the way the rules are now.
The way I see it, I can adjust my strategy to whatever the rules are. But I agree, just a few tweaks that were proposed, yet defeated, would make this league even better IMM. Just like in cards, anyone can win with a good hand, but it takes a good player to win with a bad hand dealt to you. It's just hard to deal with that bad hand (draft/injuries/etc) when there isn't a lot that can be done as far as turnover or trading.
With that said, I think this league is very good and very competitive and will be a lot of fun.
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| 222 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 13:49
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25.05 Julian Tavarez, RP, StL
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| 223 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 13:53
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Thanks, J
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| 227 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 14:13
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Scott Strickland is not in the Yahoo pool (yet), so I designated Rick Ankiel as the placeholder.
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| 228 | Peter N.
ID: 12257252
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 14:51
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22.15 Joe Blanton, SP, OAK
I meant to take Blanton with my last pick and didn't expect him to make it back to me. I'm obviously glad that he did. Blanton is likely gonna be the 4th starter for Oakland and has nice potential to flourish this year. I liken him to this year's Zach Greinke. Definitely happy to snag Blanton this late in the draft.
23.02 Mark Teahen, 3B, KC
This pick is a make-up for the Hinske pick. Teahen seems to have nailed down the starting job and should be a good filler at CI until Mcpherson gets back. The strikeout rate early on this spring is a bit of a concern, but I have to like the .407 BA. Not expecting alot here.
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| 229 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 16:25
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I can't wait any longer. I have 3 guys in my Q and I haven't figured out which way to go yet. It may or may not depend on what guys go off before me. I'll be back on in a few hrs. It still may not be my turn by then though.
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| 230 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Mar 25, 2005, 18:58
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I'm back and I see it's my pick (though no email this time from kaf.) I've got it narrowed down to two. Would ahve helped if someone would have taken one of them, but no such luck. That probably tells me that neither should be drafted! Gimme a couple mins please.
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| 231 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 12:08
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OK, we're on our final pick. What say ye, Matt S (or Khahan not sure if it's queued or not)?
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| 232 | Matt S in Mexico
ID: 352292612
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 13:30
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Sorry my queue got emptied. Give me a minute and I'll make my last pick...
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| 233 | rockafellerskank
ID: 180352016
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 13:31
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Here's my last 3 rationales... sorry couldn't spend more time today, still on the road remotely.
23.04 Alex Sanchez, OF, TB
Took a chance when I drafted Sanchez. He'd been
released by DET and picked up by TB, but not
guaranteed a starting job (RF). TB was (is) still
trying to trade for an OF with some power. It also
means the speedy Gathright might stay at AAA for a
while.... and there my be pressure to bring him up
later. At this point, it looks like Alez will break
camp as the starting RF.
Everyone knows Sanchez can't stay healthy and can't
take a walk, but has a good BA. He has no power.
Frankly, I took a chance for a few reasons. 1) it's
round #23. 2) If he can get hot early with OBP, runs,
SBs, I may be able to trade him as steals are always a
desired commodity. On the slight chance he hits .300, plays 150 games, he could steal 50-- that would make him a steal (yeah right)
I was targeting that extra RP I spoke of earler, but
decided to gamble (SBs/trade bait) here instead.
24.13 Esteban Loaiza (P), WAS
No one is gonna tell you 2003 will ever be duplicated,
but I do think the CHW to NYY thing was not his cup of
tea. He was 9-4 when traded and was a disaster after
that. I think the quieter atmoshpere (media) of WAS will settle
him down. Happy with a 12-12 season... maybe 4.00/1.40
and 5.5K/9IP.... I may play best matchup with him
throghout the year. He also could be an early canidate
to go bye-bye should a need emerge or a hot player
develop.
25.04 Bengie Molina, C, LAAAA
I need a C. Simple. Last pick and I choose between the
Molina brothers.
For me, I never draft C's early [picked the same C
last in G20 whci is 23 runds x 2o owners] as you can
often play musical cather and rotate who is how/who is
not. Once the elite were gone (too high for me), I
never looked at a C again until the Phillips trade was
announced, but I was out of position. No doubt my
weakest single position, but I'd be willing to bet by
years end I can create better than 16th place stats
from the C slot overall.
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| 234 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 13:38
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OK, we've finished the draft. Please review the Yahoo draft grid to ensure that I have your roster correct. I plan to activate the league sometime on Monday.
You may now add your remaining rationales to that thread. No need to keep the last rounds in sequence. Free for all!
I will soon set up a separate thread for your general reactions to the draft.
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| 235 | Toral
ID: 152212521
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 13:45
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18.03 Justin Duchscherer, RP, Oak
Duchcherer has shown the ability in various relief roles to put up an ERA around 3.3. His strong K/BB ratio indicates he should continue his success, although the lack of a pure fastball makes him perhaps unlikely as a closer candidate. If he upgrades his status, it is more likely to be into the A's starting rotation, where I expect he would be effective.
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| 236 | Matt S in Mexico
ID: 352292612
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 13:55
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23.16 Frank Catalanotto, OF, TOR
I had Little Cat on my roster for the 2003 season, and was very happy being able to plug him into my roster when I needed him. He, like most other players on my roster, won't hurt me in the % categories, and will serve as a cheap source of runs, while on my active roster. He's hitting leadoff for the Jays, which may yeild some decent numbers if he stays healthy for a whole year. That's a big 'if' however, as he's never done it before.
24.01 John Lackey, SP, LAA
There's a lot of things I like about Lackey. 1. He maintains a pretty solid K rate. 2. He is 26 years old, and is entering his arbitration year 3. He has added a changeup to his repetoir of pitches. That's enough upside for me to use a pick on him this late in the draft.
25.16 Juan Rivera, OF, LAA
Well, the reason I took Rivera is simple. I have Jeff Davanon already. Davanon starts vs. righties, Rivera vs. lefties. Rivera had a great year as a reserve outfielder last year, but he won't get many at bats in the Angels lineup. He'll likely be my first to cut loose in the event I need to pick up a player off waivers.
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| 241 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 15:27
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Guys - please post your final 2 rounds directly in the rationale thread, not here. I can splice in the rationales for rounds 23 and earlier, but the intent in allowing you to post the last two rounds out of sequence was to relieve the need to copy so many over. So far, that strategy has failed miserably!
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| 242 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 20:15
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Holt, just read your el duque rationale and wondering what you've been smoking! ;)
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| 243 | holt
ID: 6227147
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 20:33
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lol.
well - all I can say is check out his stats.
1.29 whip, 1k per inning, and and 8-2 record last season.
1.24 career whip. I know he's not randy johnson but unlike some of the other pitchers that have been drafted, at least he's shown that he can put up some good numbers.
I mean - obviously no one else in the league wanted him. he dropped to the 23.15 pick. I just don't know why. I think he's worthy of taking a chance on.
el duque career stats
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| 244 | holt
ID: 6227147
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 20:36
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btw - I know he'll probably break down at some point. I'm expecting somewhere in the 100-140 IP range. that's why you can't draft him until at least the 19th round or so. I just think that until he breaks down, he'll put up good numbers.
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| 245 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Mar 26, 2005, 21:59
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LOL
Yeah if he can do that all season, you've got the steal of the draft. But seeing as how he's pitched like 85 innings total the past two years, I'm not expecting much from him. COule be a nice surprise, but I don't expect him to come close to those numbers. I think he'd have more value as a MR fantasy-wise, but again, who knows what will happen. That's why they play the game.
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| 246 | Ref
ID: 4202711
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 12:01
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Pride just told me that his cousin, Teahan, is getting the nod for opening day. That could be a nice upside already for Pete's team.
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| 247 | Toral
ID: 152212521
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 19:16
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20.03 Ricky Bottalico, RP, Mil
Bottalico had control problems last year but with the Mets was able to strike out 61 batters in 70 innings and put up a 3.38 ERA. The Brewers appear ready to give Adams a full shot at the closer job but if he has problems or goes down Bottalico appears to be the likely replacement. On my team that's enough to earn him a job on the pitching staff.
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| 248 | Toral
ID: 152212521
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 19:26
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23.14 Endy Chavez, OF, Was
Reports are that Frank Robinson would like to lead Chavez off if he can show he's up to the job, although ihttin 9th is also a possibility, as is not being a starting OF at all. He stole 31 bases last year and was caught 7 times, and that is his value, as a source of cheap steals. He doesn't walk, and needs to hit .285 or more to avoid being an anvil around my neck in OBP, as well as the other hitting categories except runs. He hit .277 last year and is an age-27 guy which gives him a reasonable chance to have his best hitting year, while not being so old as to lose his base-stealing ability. If I'm able to pick the right matchups to choose when he's in my lineup, his steals would be of use.
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| 249 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 22:59
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Toral, as bad as Chavez hits, I doubt that he bats 9th! ;)
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| 250 | beastiemiked
ID: 262411016
Sun, Mar 27, 2005, 23:58
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Sorry for any holdups. My vacation extended a couple of days longer than expected. I'll try and catch up on everything by tomorrow.
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| 251 | Toral
ID: 5529286
Mon, Mar 28, 2005, 08:01
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23.14 Endy Chavez, OF, Was
Reports are that Frank Robinson would like to lead Chavez off if he can show he's up to the job, although hitting 8th is also a possibility, as is not being a starting OF at all. He stole 31 bases last year and was caught 7 times, and that is his value, as a source of cheap steals. He doesn't walk, and needs to hit .285 or more to avoid being an anvil around my neck in OBP, as well as the other hitting categories except runs. He hit .277 last year and is an age-27 guy which gives him a reasonable chance to have his best hitting year, while not being so old as to lose his base-stealing ability. If I'm able to pick the right matchups to choose when he's in my lineup, his steals would be of use.
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| 252 | Toral
ID: 5529286
Mon, Mar 28, 2005, 08:03
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There, I did a new rationalization just so ref wouldn't laugh at me. Can't self-edit the old one away, though, as I've done an Adaware scan since then and have a different cookie.
Hopefully guru sees the 2nd one before he adds the first one.
Toral
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