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Subject: Roberto Alomar retires
Posted by: Nerfherders
- [1454411] Sat, Mar 19, 2005, 15:01
So Alomar announced his retirement today. A good time to discuss his Hall of Fame credentials. I say he's in. He was the best 2B in the AL for more than a decade. |
| 1 | wqrtyt
ID: 422501420
Sat, Mar 19, 2005, 15:21
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Why did Danny Bautista retire?? He's 32 and coming off of a good season. Is there something I dont know?
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| 2 | MadAndRabidDOG
ID: 56012617
Sat, Mar 19, 2005, 15:30
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That "spitting" incident with the umpire might cause Alomar a problem as far at the Hall of Fame goes.
Not that I care. I hate baseball. :)
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| 3 | Khahan
ID: 2884979
Sat, Mar 19, 2005, 16:27
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I'd be surprised if he was a first ballot HoF'er.
2 years ago I would have said its definite. But 2 years ago, I said Ryne Sandberg is a 1st ballot guy.
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| 4 | blue hen
ID: 421571420
Sun, Mar 20, 2005, 02:11
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I guess Sandberg is very similar but better. Alomar did win a couple though.
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| 5 | Filthy Rich
ID: 35119816
Sun, Mar 20, 2005, 07:34
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As a Jay, Alomar was a god. I think it was the 92 ALCS he hit a homer off then unhittable Eckersley to send a game to extras. Gotta be the 2nd best homer in blue jay history.
12 time allstar and 10 time gold glover. I've only really watched baseball since around 1990 but I can't think of a better defensive second basemen that I have ever seen. Offensively, other than his first 3 years and last 3 years, he had to have been top 3 at his position in the league each year.
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| 6 | Cosmo's Cod Piece
ID: 481152817
Sun, Mar 20, 2005, 08:02
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Lifetime stat comparison of Ryne Sandberg and Roberto Alomar....
Roberto Alomar
Ryne Sandberg
Alomar:
BA: .300
Hits: 2724
Home Runs: 210
12 time All-Star
10 time Gold Glove winner
4 time Silver Slugger winner
One thing I noticed too was that Alomar stole a lot more bases than I remember him doing. Perhaps his fielding just got so much attention that his SB production didn't matter.
He finished in the top 5 SB six times in his career. 474 total SB.
Sandberg:
BA: .285
Hits: 2386
Home Runs: 282
10 time All Star
9 Gold Gloves
7 time Silver Slugger
1 MVP
Ryno is known as one of the, if not THE, top offensive second baseman, but look at these stats.
Alomar
OBP: .371
Slugging: .443
Sandberg:
OBP: .344
Slugging: .452
Given how Alomar had a higher BA and OBP while Sandberg was higher in slugging, I'd have to say the advantage belongs to Alomar.
Despite the spitting incident, Alomar should go in on the first ballot.
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| 7 | Mike D
Sustainer
ID: 041831612
Sun, Mar 20, 2005, 09:26
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Alomar was power AND speed, AND defense. The total package at 2B.
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| 8 | GoatLocker
Sustainer
ID: 060151121
Sun, Mar 20, 2005, 10:29
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He was really a lot of fun to watch back in 88, 89, 90 when he first came up with San Diego.
Was little question then what kind of a player he was going to turn out to be.
Not sure if he will make it first round, but no question that he will make it.
Now Sandy, that won't happen.
Cliff
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| 9 | Razor
ID: 36241218
Mon, Mar 21, 2005, 09:56
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Hard to believe that Alomar didn't even get close to 3000 hits. At age 33, he had 2400 hits and was coming off an MVP calibre season. He never approached respectability after that. Amazing. I thought he had a shot at getting to 3300 hits. I guess in this age of steroid abuse, we're not used to seeing players go through rapid, perfectly natural declines. People wonder what's wrong with a player if his productivity falls off sharply in his 30's. Look at Pedro or Maddux. There used to be a time when it was understood that players, even the greatest of superstars, peaked in their 20's and then faded back to "just" above average levels in their 30's. It used to be accepted that if you were playing at an above average player well into your 30's, that you were a great, great player because most of their peers would be struggling by that point. Now, if you aren't near your peak level in your 30's, people wonder what happened and you end up falling behind peers who do maintain peaks deep into their careers, which I guess is why compiler-type Hall of Famers used to be greatly admired while now they are resented. Why should anyone think that a guy hitting 20-30 homers in his late 30's is great when we have guys the same age hitting 40-50+? Maybe with all this steroid nonsense, guys like Dave Winfield and Eddie Murray were better than anyone thought.
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| 10 | Perm Dude
Dude
ID: 030792616
Mon, Mar 21, 2005, 10:01
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A great player who had the honor of apologizing to the umpire in question (indeed, Robbie did a lot of work and appearances for the umpire's foundation).
When the Indians traded him I thought they had made a real boner. Turns out to have been a brilliant move, though the sudden move to a new team (a New York team, at that) may have messed with his head a bit.
One of the few guys I ever saw who could swipe bases with ease and muscle out dingers.
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| 11 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Mar 21, 2005, 11:17
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Ever since that spitting incident and esp. the comments about that umpire's handicapped/sick child, I've never been a fan of the guy. But as far as a baseball player, he's been one of the best in our generationat 2B.
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| 12 | Perm Dude
Dude
ID: 030792616
Mon, Mar 21, 2005, 11:21
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Ref, you know that he and the umpire reconcilled, right?
I hated the guy after that. But once the ump forgave him (and they started working together on his kid's foundation) I let it go.
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| 13 | blue hen
ID: 331038201
Mon, Mar 21, 2005, 13:08
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Jay Jaffe says he's an easy choice for election. Very well written.
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| 14 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Mar 21, 2005, 13:20
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PD, yes I did and I thought it was classy of both men. I thought it was wrong for the umpire to go to the player's dressing room the next day, but it was his kid and he was obviously very emotional about the whole ordeal. All I'm saying is that the incident changed my view on Alomar as a person. Obviously, sometime we say and do things that we're really not all about and having had time to calm down and reflect, we really regret it--as I'm sure he did. If the umpire can forgive him, who is everyone else not involved to not be able to get past it?
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