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0 Subject: Attn: Guru re:Site Usage

Posted by: angryCHAIR
- Donor [98192416] Tue, Apr 19, 2005, 13:49

I have been a part of your community for roughly 6-7
years (aka gibby88).....it seems that there are less
people posting daily? I could be wrong. Are there a lot
of hits on the site by people that are lurkers or is the
overall % of daily hits down?

1Matt S
      ID: 55381912
      Tue, Apr 19, 2005, 14:16
I would venture that since Smallworld/TSN went to a pay game many of the users, including myself, went elsewhere for their fantasy baseball. Those that are still here are either those still hanging on with TSN, or those that are playing yahoo games with other users of the boards.
2Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Apr 19, 2005, 14:43
I don't have very good records of traffic, as it really isn't a particularly useful metric for me. However, based on some rough data, I'd say current year site visits are down about 10% since 2003. Curiously, total bandwidth (data transfer) is up about 25% over that same period. So either threads are getting longer, or people are staying longer per visit, or the data is flawed. Probably some of each.

Part of the decline is due to use of competing services:
1. TSN offers better stats within their game site
2. More leagues used KKB's software for drafting this year.
3. The TSN forum has taken away some traffic.

Part of the decline is also due to reduced patronage of TSN games. Fantasy baseball games other than TSN type games are not as conducive to strategy discussions.

Posting activity has declined a lot more than those figures would suggest, however. For the first 18 days of April in 2003, there were an average of 660 posts per day (all forum areas). Through the first 18 days of April this year, there are only 425 posts per day on average.

So, overall bandwidth is up, site visits are slightly down (10%), and posts are down by 35%. Site visits and bandwidth reflect all parts of the rotoguru domains, while posts reflects only the forum. GuruGolf didn't exist 2 years ago, so that is obviously part of the difference, although I don't believe it accounts for much of it.
3angryCHAIR
      Donor
      ID: 98192416
      Tue, Apr 19, 2005, 16:02
Thanks.

4holt
      ID: 635210
      Thu, Apr 21, 2005, 02:17
not sure how much action the hockey forum usually gets, but the lockout must be driving forum usage down a bit.

5ChicagoTRS
      ID: 392542110
      Thu, Apr 21, 2005, 02:48
I think some of the increased bandwidth usage is just the nature of the changing average internet user...probably two years back most were still on dial up so obviously they would click less links...transfer less data back and forth. Now a majority have some type of broadband connection and it is very easy to consume a lot of bandwidth.
6R9
      Leader
      ID: 02624472
      Thu, Apr 21, 2005, 09:25
Also, lots of standings and draft threads have graphs and charts now, which could account for the increase in bandwidth. Same goes for pictures in threads.

As for the hockey forum, usage there is now non-existant. There have only been 93 posts in 5 threads this YEAR, and two of those threads were old ones bumped from years past. I wonder how much of the decline in visits and posts-per-day is attributable to this?
7Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Apr 21, 2005, 09:30
Hockey is obviously part of the difference. Willingness to download larger pages more often is also part of it. Pictures wouldn't have an impact, because they are generally accessed from other servers.
8Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Apr 21, 2005, 09:38
Almost all of the reduction in the number of posts is in the baseball forum. Two years ago, the baseball forum averaged 360 posts per day for the first 18 days of April. This year, the corresponding average is 130 per day.
9Catfish
      Leader
      ID: 035262811
      Thu, Apr 21, 2005, 11:02
How much of the difference can be attributed to the slowdown in posting by Ira?
10Motley Crue
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Thu, Apr 21, 2005, 11:46
Come on now, Ira actually didn't post that much.

I have noticed that the baseball forum is much slower than usual. I can tell because I can actually read all of the threads now before they get pushed down to the bottom. In years past, there were about 20 or 30 new threads every day on here.

The football forum has been pretty dead since the season ended. There is virtually no TSN talk on there during the season, either. Only head-to-head and roto junkies like me, for the most part.

The Politics Forum is going strong still.
11j o s h
      ID: 30344219
      Thu, Apr 21, 2005, 11:51
azdbacker not doing the RJ games in the action thread hurts.
As a matter of fact there was no action thread yesterday at all.


12Motley Crue
      Dude
      ID: 439372011
      Thu, Apr 21, 2005, 11:53
Haha, weird. In the past, you'd have 2 or more competing action threads per day on occasion.
13Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Apr 21, 2005, 11:54
Action threads, or course, often added a significant number of posts per day, if they were active.
14beastiemiked
      ID: 4310501610
      Thu, Apr 21, 2005, 11:55
I think AIM has cut down on the posting. It's a lot easier to discuss possible TSN trades via AIM than through a message board.
15RDELMO
      ID: 523181117
      Fri, Apr 22, 2005, 08:58
Guru, FWIW, I've been an avid reader of these threads for about 8 years, but hardly ever post. I remain loyal to TSN pay and sometimes free bb and fb games, but have also explored other sites. Perhaps there are droves of us perhaps not, but we certainly don't help the stats much by not posting. I would agree there are far less daily posts than years back for all the reasons you doucmented. I may not be very opinionated but I'm a good listner.

Maybe you should allow Jerry Lewis back in for a week or two to stir up some controversy....NAAA
16Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Apr 22, 2005, 09:39
I didn't ban him. He's apparently disappeared on his own - unless he's assumed a new identity again.
17angryCHAIR
      Donor
      ID: 98192416
      Fri, Apr 22, 2005, 15:45
REDELMO: Welcome...8 years late that is. :)
18Trip
      Sustainer
      ID: 13961611
      Fri, Apr 22, 2005, 16:33
Another factor may be the fact that many companies have blocked access to the site.

I was disturbed to see the blurbs page blocked for the first time ever this week.

19TB
      Leader
      ID: 031811922
      Fri, Apr 22, 2005, 22:46
Good point. I can only access the forum from work by using http://66.221.169.119/cgi-bin/view.pl instead of http://rotoguru1.com/cgi-bin/view.pl. Even then, I have to navigate the links differently.

Eight years is a long time. I don't remember finding the message boards until 98 or 99 and it seems like it just switched over from the "old boards" when I did. I say that because I remember reading both of them. The best baseball strategy threads were Walks and Harks not-so-secret threads in the old hockey forum.
20ukula
      ID: 463512611
      Tue, Apr 26, 2005, 14:00
I used to come here for intelligent strategy discussions on TSN baseball but now those threads seem to be on the TSN boards for some reason. Not sure why it changed - the TSN boards used to be littered with trivial, juvenile posts, but now it reminds me of the old Guru forum.
21OnThe86thYear
      ID: 45263016
      Tue, Apr 26, 2005, 16:14
This site use to have excellent insight and discussion. Now the only thing I find it good for is "pick the loser". I take a look at both this and the TSN board daily, and occasionally pick up a tidbit. I think people have wised up and realized it does not pay to advertise every single hidden gem or possible "train". Penngray had an excellent chart which not only had H&P ownership, but with HT and PT left and roster value, that was pretty cool.
22holt
      ID: 25337265
      Tue, Apr 26, 2005, 16:54
maybe alot of us just quit playing tsn ultimate.
I quit because they make zero effort to get prizes out in a timely fashion. it annoyed me to a point where I just said screw it. for me, the game requires too much of a time investment to be treated so poorly.
23clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Tue, Apr 26, 2005, 17:04
I'll agree with ukula that SOME discussions involving strategy have improved on the TSN board, but only if you're able to dig through the seemingly unending "dribble"...

I've tended to be more active over the past couple of years on the TSN board simply because there's usually more traffic and discussion (even though much of it is useless at times). There's actually a "splinter" group of us who comprised much of the "Boards Division" last season who have a seperate league (and message board simply because we often can't stand some of the continual boring banter on the TSN board) established simply to compete with the Guru leagues - no disrespect intended at all, but most of that core group likely spends little time here but simply enjoys devoting one "Ultimate" team to the league each season simply to compete against the gang here, particularly since we were "nudged" out of the #1 league ranking by you guys VERY late last season.
24Mikel
      ID: 8112016
      Tue, Apr 26, 2005, 17:37
Go Belly Go!
25darkside
      Dude
      ID: 3590317
      Tue, Apr 26, 2005, 17:44
Sadly, the Belly is all but dead. We couldn't even get 10 teams, so I pulled mine and went back to the Puget Sound (which has grown since I was last in with Tosh, Coldwater and like 2 other people back in the smallworld days!).
26clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Tue, Apr 26, 2005, 17:47
Also feel I owe a little allegiance to the gang in that league since I had established personal "gurus" (not necessarily members here) who were helpful in my understanding of the game before I ever spent much time here - hence the reason my the other 2 of my "Ultimate" teams reside in Auto-Divisions as opposed to the Guru leagues - figured it was a "conflict-of-interest", not to mention that to this point in my "storied" career I've never had a finish that's been within shouting distance of the leaders in any of the aforementioned leagues so it wouldn't make any difference.
27angryCHAIR
      Donor
      ID: 98192416
      Wed, May 18, 2005, 09:32
The last few action threads (except the "Yankee Shuffle") have received very little attention.

I wonder if it is more the fact that the TSNP game is getting less attention? Are people getting bored with the game?

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