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Subject: RIBC 2005 - Retrospective Posted by: Guru - [330592710] Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 09:39 Congrats to Chris for winning the second RotoGuru Invitational Baseball Challenge. The tie for 8th place will complicate decisions on the field for next year's league. I'll have to sort it all out after I see the results for the qualifying leagues. 1 Chris 125.5 2 Holt 121.5 3 Oaktown 112 4 Toral 107 5 jumpball 102 6 Kafenatid.net 100.5 7 Matt S 87.5 8 slackjawed yokel 86 9 darkside 86 10 Guru 85 11 Bmd 76 12 Peter N. 60.5 13 Species 55.5 14 youngroman 55 15 Ref 52 16 rockafellerskank 48 If any RIBC managers would like to post any parting reflections - your best moves, what you wish you'd done differently, etc. - be my guest. I'd also like to see the standings of the qualifying leagues. Once I see how the qualifying standings look, I'll make some decisions. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 1 | Trip Sustainer ID: 13961611 Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 10:00 |
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| 2 | darkside SuperDude ID: 3590317 Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 10:09 |
This year was certainly just as competitive as last year, so for that I thank all the great managers here. When I left for my honeymoon I told my teamsitter to watch TSN and this, but all priority was to be given to the RIBC team. I think I left in 8th, so coming back this weekend to 8th has me happy. Best moves Drafting Pujols #1, Luis Castillo #8 (I think), trading A. Ramirez/Westbrook for Clemens/Alfonzo (sorry KKB, but at least Westbrook wasn't bad), wire pickups of Shelton, Valverde, Kearns and Lofton. Worst moves Drafting Otsuka so high. Dropping Huston Street. Can't believe I was so impatient. Dropping Ryan Howard thinking he'd lose his job to Thome who never returned. Otherwise, I'm fairly happy. My draft wasn't very good and after I spent a good bit of time in 15th place, I'm happy to have managed my way up to the middle of the pack. It's hard not to feel helpless at times, especially when pitchers aren't getting wins or hitters are scoring runs, but it usually evens out and I'm satisfied with how things turned out. I'll be back next year, whether it's here or in AAA...this is the best competition around and I can't wait till next year. Thanks Guru and all the other managers for making it so much fun! Also, kudos to Matt S...when the heck were you actually in this country. Way to draft/manage long distance! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 3 | KrazyKoalaBears Leader ID: 517553018 Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 11:00 |
Overall Feelings I feel good about where I ended up. After barely scraping by to make 8th place last year, it felt good to be solidly in 6th place and battling for 5th place this year. As most in the league already know, July was my month to shine. Luckily, that shine lasted well into August. Using stats from 7/10 to 8/20, my team would have ranked 1st with 126 points. The actual movement of my team was +18.5 points. That was clearly the turning point for my team and what helped me end up in the top half of the standings. Draft Strategy vs. The Season In the draft recap thread, I said, my strategy was to solidify my MI and CI while adding obvious picks as they were available. There were more than a few people confused by my strategy of taking Soriano with my first pick (3rd overall) and Furcal with my second pick. In the end, these picks probably saved my team from a fantasy perspective. Soriano was good for 156 games, 102 R, 104 RBI, 20 SB, .821 OPS. That was good enough for 1st on my team in R and second (amongst long-term players) in SLG. Did those stats warrant a #3 overall pick? Probably not, but there was no way Soriano would have been available to me later on in the draft and I was willing to sacrifice other positions to solidify my 2B position. Furcal was good for 154 games, 100 R, 58 RBI, 46 SB, .777 OPS. Good enough for 1st on my team in SB and 2nd in R. So, between my first and second picks, I covered the far majority of my teams' major needs in R and SB and it paid off, IMHO, as despite the relative weakness of my other players in those stats, my team finished 8th in R and 7th in SB. Best Moves 1. Drafting Andruw Jones. That 6.14 pick certainly makes up for any flack I got over Soriano and Furcal. ;) 2. Ricky Ledee > Robinson Cano. 66 R, 53 RBI, 1 SB, .763 OPS (for my team) from a 2B-eligible player. 3. Jason Ellison > Doug Johnson. 40 R, 43 RBI, 0 SB, .824 OPS (for my team). 4. Kip Wells > John Patterson. 8 W, 166 K, 3.02 ERA, 1.20 WHIP (for my team). Same number of wins, but a completely different way of getting there. 5. Drafting Craig Biggio at 20.14. A season long starter for me, with stats very similar to last year's when every fantasy site was predicting a major drop-off. Worst Moves 1. Drafting Takatsu (5.03) and Borowski (10.14). Repeat after me, "I will never again draft an unproven closer who doesn't have a solid hold on the closer's job." UGH! 2. Drafting Jeff Bagwell. 11 R, 15 RBI, .759 OPS was good until he went out for the season. Not a good feeling to have one of your top 10 picks out for the season after just a month of play. 3. Borowski > Meche > Olson > E. Santana > Lowe > Moyer > Baker > Hermanson. Translation: Crap > Crap > Crap > Should Have Kept > Should Have Kept > Should Have Dropped Quicker > Whatever > Nice Try. 4. Vinny Castilla. More of a non-move in that I held on to him way too long. 5. Clemens/Alfonzo > A.Ramirez/Westbrook. When I was considering this trade, I knew I was giving up a great pitcher for a great hitter. This move was made bad by Ramirez going on a cold streak as soon as I got him and then going down for the rest of the season. Westbrook provided a lofty 5.76 ERA and 1.55 WHIP and caused me to have to rearrange my pitching staff to stay in contention for those categories, but he also provided 6 much-needed W's. Still, I would have rather sacrificed the 2 extra W's (still leaving me in 11th place in W's) and had Clemens' post-trade 2.86 ERA and 1.08 WHIP. What I Would Have Done Differently First, I would have drafted real closers. I partially ignored the closer's run, hoping I could make up the difference later and that clearly didn't happen. Next time, I won't ignore it at all and will select proven closers who have a solid chance of keeping their job. Second, I wouldn't have traded away Clemens. Sometimes, it's best to leave well enough alone. I felt like I had to make a move to try and catch first, which was partially true, but in the end I almost cost myself my entire season. Sometimes, making the "playoffs" is good enough if that's all your team can do. Third, I would actually cut down on the number of roster moves I made even more. I made a big effort to reduce the number of moves I made knowing that I could easily over-think things and end up on the bad side of some moves. In the case of E. Santana and Lowe, I certainly over-thought things. But then I turned around and didn't think at all with Moyer, going completely against the "Look at K/IP for Pitchers!" philosophy that I went into the season with. Next year, I'm going to only make the moves that are blatently obvious, like the ones in my "Best Moves" category. Lastly Congrats to Chris for an amazing finish! And thanks to everybody else for a great competition. 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| 4 | Species Leader ID: 07724916 Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 12:41 |
Overall feelings: I had a horrible draft, and I knew it during the draft. One general rule I try to live by, no matter what the sport, centers around not being the one to END a run on a position, but rather use that run to your advantage to get the players that slip down because of it. That stubborness caused me to practically ignore MI and try to start my own runs in RP and SP. It didn't work, I went on tilt and took BIG risks later in the draft. Best moves Drafting Hideki Matsui in rd 5 and Ensberg in rd 14. Getting Kenny Rogers, Brian Fuentes, Ryan Howard, Jhonny Peralta, and Johnny Gomes off the scrap heap. Trading Sanders+Hermanson for C. Lee. Trading Crawford for Looper and Hermanson. Not giving up in general. Worst moves - Drafting too much pitching early - Schmidt (1) and Wood (4) killed me. - With everything that happened after my 2nd round pick, Carl Crawford was a horrible fit for a Rd 2 pick. If I had taken Teixeira in round 1 I could afford a Crawford in round 2. 3 - Cutting Jason Giambi after he nearly got sent down to AAA. - NOT cutting Mike Lowell when he should have gotten sent down to AAA. - Drafting Khalil Greene over Joe Mauer and Chris Carpenter. - Drafting Bret Boone over Brian Roberts, Chad Cordero and Danys Baez - Drafting Zack Greinke over Bartolo Colon (!?!?!?) - Drafting Greg Aquino over L. Gonz and Feliz - Drafting Erubiel Durazo over anyone - The rest of my draft except Ensberg! lol In memorium: Somewhere around May 1st I sat with 21 - YES, TWENTY ONE - rotisserie points. In a 16-team league that's just horrible. I made it my goal to climb out of the cellar and "save" a spot in AAA for next year. I made it and probably had a high of 59 or 60 points at one time in the season. Sure 40 of those points were in like 3 cats (saves, SLG and RBI), but I had to maximize what I had to work with. My OBP was so horrible after Boone/Giambi/Lowell flamed out so completely it was a lost cause. Anyway, I'm "proud" of not giving up and taking my horrible team out of the cellar and qualifying for AAA next year. Like my Governor often said: "I'll be back" in RIBC in 2007! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 5 | Chris ID: 318112118 Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 14:12 |
Random Observations - I was blown away by the perseverance of everybody in this league. Top to bottom, everybody gave it their all, from March to October, which made this easily the toughest league I have competed in. In fact, the last 2 places combined to make 264 moves. Nobody quit, and nothing was given in this league, it had to be taken. - Holt's knowledge of some of the "lesser" players in MLB really impressed me. He was constantly turning his team(158 moves!), but always got production out of these relative unknowns. After losing Drew and Thome, and enduring the enigma that is Adrian Beltre, he really clawed and scratched his way back. In the process, I think he earned my Manager of the Year vote :) - Everybody in this league worked the FA pool brilliantly. Often I would try to pick up a player coming back from an injury, only to discover he was already gone. If there was a reliever with a remote shot at earning the closer role, Toral would be all over him. Draft Strategy vs The Season From my draft recap: I'm a big fan of filling position scarcity early, but the way I look at it is to take a player before there is a noticable talent drop-off to the next player. My research going into this draft consisted of looking through the projected starting lineups, and identifying potential breakout candidates, guys who would slip farther than they should. Last year, I did basically the same thing, and it proved to be hit(Bay, Dunn, Peavy, Hafner) and miss(Sledge, Bigbie, Reyes)...The young players I'm banking on this year include MYoung, Wright, Figgins, Mench, Lane, Atkins, Bedard, Holliday, Closser, Bartlett, Haren, Sledge, and others. May seem like a stretch to some, but they each have compelling reasons on why they should produce. As it turns out, all of those players aside from Sledge and Closser were on my team at the end of the season; also, everybody but Sledge, Closser and Bartlett made significant contributions to my team. As for position scarcity, I ended up with arguably one of the top 2 players at each of 2B, SS, 3B and C(the 4 scarcest offensive positions IMO), which covered up for my 3 points in wins, punting saves, and having no OF's with more than 76 RBI. Best Moves - Ortiz towards the end of the 2nd round - MYoung(arguably the best SS) in the 3rd round - Wright(behind only PayRod in my eyes at 3B) in the 5th round - Figgins(behind just Soriano at 2B IMO) in the 6th round - Varitek(2nd to VMart at C) in the 8th round - Holliday with an 870 OPS and 14 SB's, a true surprise to me in the 16th round - Haren in the 19th round, compiling a 3.29 ERA while starting for me - Cheers to waiver wire pickups Sizemore(101 runs and 17 SB's while on my roster), Seanez(7 wins and 84 k's out of the pen), Calero(2.23 ERA for me), Cain(2.36 ERA, 0.93 WHIP), Antonio Perez, Hee Seop Choi(both OPS'd over 800 for my team...great for when Tracy actually decided to play them) and of course, Huston Street. Worst Moves - Inexplicably trading Huston Street to holt for Luis Gonzalez, a move that almost cost me my season. My reasoning at the time was that Gonzo would help me in the offensive categories more than Street's saves would do for me. WRONG! Not only did Gonzo OPS only 750 for me, but Street helped holt make his run all the way up to the top. Adding insult to injury, holt picked up Benitez, who I had discarded earlier, and used both of them to blow past me in the standings. - Benitez in the 4th round was an unmitigated disaster. - Escobar in the 9th round was a mitigated disaster...mitigated by the fact that I didn't drop him only to have holt pick him up for his terrific stretch run out of the pen. Still, 3 wins from Escobar was about 14 less than I was expecting. - Lilly in the 12th was awful, mainly because I stuck with him so long. - Despite the fact that it worked this year, I bet it will be a very very long time before I punt saves again. I was so handcuffed down the stretch, becaues I had nowhere left to gain, and I was just praying that holt's team would stop playing well. Not the best way to manage :) Thoughts for Next Year I'm very much looking forward to this league next year, as it's proven to be as competitive as I hoped. Thanks to Guru for putting this league together. Thanks to KKB for letting us use his On the Clock software. Thanks to holt for giving me as much as I could handle throughout the month of September. Thanks to everybody for putting in all the effort! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 6 | R9 Leader ID: 02624472 Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 14:41 |
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| 7 | Frick@Work Donor ID: 3410101718 Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 14:44 | R9, those are totally correct. Bull Durham(Astade) didn't reach the minimum innings pitched. We need to adjust all his pitching stats to 1 and move everyone below him up 1 points. I don't think it will change any of the standings, but it could affect who gets invited into the AAA's next year. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 8 | Bandos Sustainer ID: 279492419 Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 15:32 |
AA Sally League Final Standings - a great race to the end!
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| 9 | youngroman ID: 50818914 Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 16:13 |
general recap this was my 2nd year in roto-games and the 2nd year of roto-baseball for me. I learned 20% of my knowledge last year and 80% this year. for me it was a huge difference between last year in AAA and this year. I can't say if it is a different level of managers involved in the league, if I had luck last year and no luck this year, or if roto-baseball is a game I am only mediocre. I want to congratulate Chris to the championship. To win such a great competition means that you worked hard all year to win this title. I wish I could say that about myself. Holt won my AAA league last year and looked strong again this year. It seems he has the skills that are needed to play this game. He deserves the "manager of the year"-award that Chris suggested. Thanks to Guru for inventing the Invitational Leagues and to all the others that competed from the first day until the last day of the season on such a high level. It was a tough season. draft recap I couldn't resist to get the RJ/Curt-combo in the first 2 rounds. both screwed me all year. RJ played mediocre and Curt was either injured or really bad. the only thing I can thank one of those two is the sportsmanship of Schilling to assist the Sox in the bullpen and get me some saves that were missing on my team. my best draft choices were Barry Zito (9.11) and Scot Shields (15.11). A pretty short list, but thats it. this makes it official (after only 6 months): my draft was horrible. mid-season goal after I realized that my draft wasn't as good as last year I thought about what I can do with this team. since my complete team (without exception) played below their expectations a trade seemed not very likely. I always thought that some of my players may get back to their usual form (Edmonds, Mora, Javy Lopez, Palmeiro) but that never happened. I looked at my stats and saw that I was in the middle of the pack in nearly every category (except saves) all year. the longer the season lasted the more my R, RBI, ERA and WHIP went down. I thought very long that with a good second half of RJ and Curt I may regain lots of points and I may qualify for next year. It never happened. end-season goal don't finish last. have fun fighting for every half point in the saves category. maximize the innings pitched. remember all the errors from this year, think about strategies for next year. I am still thinking about my errors (I should better write them down to not forget them until March) and I am already thinking what type of draft-strategy would have helped me more. The bad thing is that you can prepare for a draft and after a few picks are done you can take your cheat-sheet and throw it away because it is outdated. that is the most interesting part of the season: the dynamic of the draft and how to use your experience from the past to avoid what happened to me this year. best pickups Jae Seo and Josh Towers, both late (too late) in the season. pretty short that list. this has lots of reasons: - the available free agent pool was very thin all year, at least with players that see regular playing time - I had too many injured stars that I don't want to drop, this resulted in no room left for gambles - I had not the time (because of too many work) to research on a regular basis which players are up and coming, where is an injury-related move in the making, where is a player who will see an extended playing time now or in the near future - I get not much MLB coverage here in Austria. all I can get is 1-2 games a week where at least one of them will be aired at 2am local time (Sunday Night Baseball). I need some sleep, so I need to retrieve 99% of my information from the net, last year I got at least a game a week at a reasonable time (7pm or 10pm), but due to other sports events (FIFA confederations cup, different times of kickoffs in european soccer leagues) MLB coverage was down this year. - I played among the best last words I am officially nominating myself for the "bust of the year"-award like a fellow countryman of mine often said: "I'll be back" in 2007. at least I'll try it. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 10 | Uptown Bombers ID: 35616416 Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 16:21 |
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| 11 | Guru ID: 330592710 Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 16:57 |
Please refresh my memory. There only one AAA league this season, correct? I think we talked about adding a second, but not until next season. Also, how many AA leagues did we have? 3 or 4? I want to be sure I have the right info before making any decisions. It looks like my succession plan (post 150) was to have the top 6 return from the RIBC, so the tie for 8th probably doesn't complicate things after all. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 12 | Trip Sustainer ID: 13961611 Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 17:00 |
There was only one AAA league. BTW, how did you make your link above go to the specific post? | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 13 | Trip Sustainer ID: 13961611 Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 17:09 | I can only find 3 AA leagues (Farn's, Sally, and AA#2) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 14 | Guru ID: 330592710 Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 17:10 | [link magic!] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 15 | Guru ID: 330592710 Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 17:14 | Each post has a name link associated with it, which is the numeric time of the post. So, the link in post 11 ends with "17509.shtml#1109445567", where the URL of the thread is 17509.shtml, and the name associated with post 150 is #1109445567. The only way to figure out that number is to view the source code of the post and find the "name=" reference. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 16 | Motley Crue ID: 2192327 Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 17:24 | Damn, and I thought they called you Guru `cause you are Indian. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 17 | Athletics Guy ID: 4693532 Mon, Oct 03, 2005, 20:00 |
Chris, congrats on winning the RIBC! I'm happy for you, especially after how you gave away the win in AAA last year. Holt, great job on getting so much out of your players. Your FA/Waiver pickups really propelled your team in the 2nd half. Thanks to Guru for giving me the opportuinity to particapte in this league. It was a lot of fun. And thanks to all the other managers for making it such a competitive league right down to the very end. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 18 | TB Sherpa ID: 031811922 Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 01:34 |
I was bouncing some numbers and thought I would toss this out there. This falls in with the "form two AAA leagues for next year" plan, which means you will need 32 AAA teams. RIBC- Keep 7 (6 + Guru), drop 7 to AAA, bottom 2 go to AA. AAA- 6 move up, 7 stay, bottom 3 to AA. AA- Top teams to RIBC (3), 2-7 move up to AAA (18), the rest stay in AA. Perhaps for future promotions you are looking at the top 3 from both AAA moving up. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 19 | KrazyKoalaBears Leader ID: 517553018 Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 09:44 |
Here's an idea... RIBC: 16 teams (1 league) AAA: 16 teams (1 league) AA: 32 teams (2 leagues) Qualifying: What's left At the end of the season... - Top 8 stay in RIBC (8 teams) - Top 6 AAA move up to RIBC (6) - Top 1 in each AA move up to RIBC (2) - 9-12 RIBC fall to AAA (4 teams) - 7-10 AAA stay in AAA (4) - 2-5 in each AA move up to AAA (8) - 13-16 in RIBC fall to AA (4 teams) - 11-16 in AAA fall to AA (6) - 6-12 in each AA stay in AA (12) - 13-16 either stay in AA (8 teams) or swap with the Qualifying league(s). If there is one qualifying league, then maybe the top 4 in that league move up to AA and just the bottom 2 (instead of all 13-16) from each AA move down to Qualifying. This could adjust based on the number of Qualifying leagues. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 20 | Matt S ID: 330592710 Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 11:23 |
Well, all things considered, I'm happy to finish where I have and earn an invite back next year. Drafting my team while in Central America, and finishing the season while in Europe and Southeast Asia proved to be difficult, but I managed. What worked: - Derek Jeter at 17th overall (122 runs...but was expecting more than 14 SB) - Starting pitching (Colon, Buehrle, Pettite at 9th, 10th, 14th rounds respectively) Those 3 won 54 games for me, while posting killer ERA and WHIP #s. - Donnelly and Ayala, as hoped, accumulated 17 wins. - Kotsay and Crisp put up decent numbers for me all year. - Bill Mueller, Bill Hall, and Aaron Harang were all good pickups for me. What didn't work: - My first six rounds of drafting. Gagne and Dotel did nothing for me. Pudge, Wilkerson and Vidro were all bitter dissapointments. - Kaz Matsui in the 8th round didn't help either. - I knew this was Lackey's breakout year, and I listened to one of the Rotoworld guys after his first two bad starts and dumped him. Had I stuck with him, instead of screwing around with Mark Redman, I would have been competitive in the K category. I think the only thing that saved me was punting the Save category after Gagne and Dotel went down. Had I tried to scrape up a few points there, I'd have lost lots more in others, I'm sure. All of my players posted less than expected SB #s. Bill Hall chipped in with a few as a waiver pickup, but that was far away from keeping me competetive. Considering I was so low in so many categories, I think I'm lucky to be coming back next year. Matt S | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 21 | TB ID: 1286814 Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 13:57 |
KKB, your numbers won't work because there are three AA leagues. The more I thought about these numbers after posting them, the more I realized that the 8th best team in every AA qualifier did a much better job than the 12th finisher in RIBC or AAA, so maybe you drop the bottom 4 from both of those leagues and add in the 8th place finishers from all three of those leagues to the two proposed AAA leagues for next year. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 22 | Species Leader ID: 07724916 Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 13:58 | lol.........and I thought only the last place RIBC team got dumped to AA. Guess I worked for nothing! ;-) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 23 | KrazyKoalaBears Leader ID: 517553018 Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 15:12 |
TB, I understand that for this year, but I was looking more at a plan going forward. Having 3 AA leagues makes for a challeng to make the numbers work. For this year, maybe... - Top 6 RIBC stay in RIBC (6 teams) - Top 7 AAA move up to RIBC (7) - Top 1 from each AA move up to RIBC (3) - 7-15 in RIBC move down to AAA (9 teams) - 8-11 in AAA stay in AAA (4) - #2 from each AA move up to AAA (3) - #16 from RIBC moves down to AA (1 team) - 12-16 from AAA move down to AA (5) - 3-16 in each AA stay in AA (42) It's a bit harsh on AA, but it's pretty fair overall. I think moving forward it would be best to cut a AA (and go with "qualifying leagues", or "A") so that more people can move out of AA per my earlier post. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 24 | Species Leader ID: 07724916 Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 17:04 | I vote for the plan where the 13th place team goes to AAA ;-) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 25 | Nerfherders ID: 12511815 Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 17:06 |
I hope you dont mind if I chime in on the qualifying system. I like the idea of top 4 getting in or moving up. If we had A league or Rookie League we could have some teams moving down from AA too. KKB's general idea is pretty good. Here's my try at it: RIBC (1): 1-8 Stay, 9-12 to AAA, 13-16 to AA AAA (1): 1-4 to RIBC, 5-8 stay, 9-15 to AA, 16th to A AA (2): 1st place and next top scorer to RIBC. remaining 2nd, and 3-4 to AAA. 5-11 stay. 12-16 to A A (1): 1 from AAA, 15 from AA. And for 2007: RIBC (1): 1-8 Stay, 9-12 to AAA, 13-16 to AA AAA (1): 1-4 to RIBC, 5-8 stay, 9-14 to AA, 15-16 to A. AA (2): 1-2 to RIBC, 3-5 to AAA, 6-12 stay, 13-16 to A A (1): 1-2 to AAA, 3-10 to AA, 11-16 stay | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 26 | beastiemiked Sustainer ID: 03531815 Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 17:21 |
The more I thought about these numbers after posting them, the more I realized that the 8th best team in every AA qualifier did a much better job than the 12th finisher in RIBC or AAA, so maybe you drop the bottom 4 from both of those leagues and add in the 8th place finishers from all three of those leagues to the two proposed AAA leagues for next year. That's like saying the Dodgers did a better job this season than the Nationals. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 27 | TB ID: 37373017 Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 17:56 |
Hmm, not sure what you are trying to say. What I was trying to say (and meant 13th not 12th in my post above) is that in a competitive environment like rotoguru.com there are more than 32 "top" managers playing fantasy sports. I have no doubt that several of the very best managers are mixed in with the 32 current managers in RIBC and AAA, but I also think there are plenty of managers in the RIBC and AAA who, at best, are equal to many of the other 48 managers who competed in the three AA leagues. To come up with a plan where the 15th best manager in one league "drops" to AAA while the 3rd best, like Taxman or Coldwater Coyotes, gets relegated to another season in AA seems a bit off to me. Besides, I was just tossing those numbers out there. Guru is going to invite who he feels is worthy. Truthfully, I don't think there should be any set rules. It's his own invitational league. I just hope that if there is ever a Blue Hen Invitational I am worthy of consideration. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 28 | Motley Crue ID: 2192327 Tue, Oct 04, 2005, 21:12 | TB, you have a feather hanging out of the corner of your mouth. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 29 | jumpball Sustainer ID: 33050298 Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 00:10 |
For my relections, see the discussion post. I'd link to it, but I forgot how. :-) My thoughts about next year: I don't think anything should be changed from what was discussed prior to the season -- some managers were probably managing to get a certain slot in order to qualify for next year (pointing finger squarely at myself and maybe a couple others). It would not be fair to them to change it after the season is over. Also I don't agree at all with the statement above: the 8th best team in every AA qualifier did a much better job than the 12th finisher in RIBC. The best managers are in the RIBC . . . and they've proved it. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 30 | Slackjawed Yokel Leader ID: 052347519 Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 00:16 |
I have to say I'm fairly disappointed in how my team turned out this year. Generally, I've had good success in these slow live drafts, and I was pleased with my draft at the time. However, now I see that my strategy was flawed (and my relative success in another league this year also confirmed this). Basically, I grabbed starting pitchers too early - similar to Species pick of Schmidt and youngroman's of RJ and Schilling, my 2nd and 3rd round picks of Ben Sheets and Oliver Perez were huge duds. With Perez I was hoping for Johan Santana and instead got Rick Ankiel. And Sheets did very good when he was healthy but missed too much time. I guess I learned to hold off on starting pitching as there's much more risk there than in everyday players - see also my later picks of Halladay and Pineiro. In the other league I mentioned, I was in first for quite a bit and ended up a couple points back despite having a lock on last place ERA and WHIP the entire season (also thanks to Perez and Pineiro). Looking back through the draft, getting Manny with the 11th pick was good, but then my next 6 picks were busts (Sheets, Perez, Huff, Ryan [because I neglected to draft another closer], Carlos Guillen, and Halladay). Brian Roberts in the 8th round was a good pick (I probably should have dealt him at the break, however). But the deadwood (Hidalgo, Frank Thomas, Raul Mondesi, BJ Upton) certainly outweighed my good picks: Iguchi(12th), Winn (15th - he may not have gotten 80 rbis, Species, but he scored 85 and drove in 63 - much of this from the 1st and 2nd spots in the order), Suppan(21st), Randa (24th) and Farnsworth (25th). It ended up two of my best two pitchers I had gotten in the last five rounds... Another mistake was leaving BJ Upton on my roster much of the season. I continued to see that he was really producing at AAA both at the plate and on the basepaths, but his fielding and the Devil Rays stinginess kept him out of the bigs. On the plus side, my waiver pickup of Giambi turned out to be huge, as well as my late pickups of Lowe, Wakefield and Jenks. With some solid pitching that only faltered the last couple of days (ahem, Wakefield), I was able to make a run for inclusion in next year's RIBC, but couldn't quite finish it out. Anyways, it was a fun season, and congrats to all the top finishers. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 31 | Species Leader ID: 07724916 Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 11:41 |
lmao - I vaguely recall some smartass comment I probably made about Winn.....guess Slack didn't forget, eh?!?!? Forgive me dude.....and accept my gift of waiving Jason Giambi as my heartfelt apology. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 32 | Slackjawed Yokel Leader ID: 052347519 Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 18:13 | yeah, I had to actually go back to see what it was last night, and in my rationale I had said I expected 80+ runs and rbi out of Winn, and you (probably rightfully) called me out on it as an example of everyone's attempts to justify their picks in retrospect. I don't have it handy now, but you had said you would donate x amount of dollars to Guru if Winn actually got 80 ribbies- and he just might've if he'd gone to the Giants earlier... | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 33 | Species Leader ID: 07724916 Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 19:01 |
I found it. And yeah, his stint with the Giants was INSANE. Of course it was WAY over his head, but he sure indoctrinated himself to Giants fans quickly. Species Leader ID: 07724916 Thu, Mar 17, 2005, 13:15 You know, the more I read these rationales, and especially read my own after the fact, I think all of us have excellent prescriptions for rose-colored glasses! lmao I'm really stretching things sometimes with these "I hope for .850 OPS with 85 runs and 85 rbi" proclamations! Not to pick on Slack (and the point is I'm just as guilty!), but I think I realized it most when I read his Randy Winn rationale (I wanted Winn that round, btw) which stated he expected him to BOTH score and drive in 80-90 runs. If Winn drives in 80-90 I'll make a $10 donation to Guru! ;-) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 34 | Slackjawed Yokel Leader ID: 052347519 Wed, Oct 05, 2005, 20:40 | And you're right, the gift of Giambi more than made up for any slight I may have felt. (Not that I recall feeling any, but I was particularly irritated by Winn's lack of production early on.) | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 35 | Guru ID: 330592710 Mon, Oct 10, 2005, 13:17 |
1. Best strategy: Waiting until round 11 to take my first starter. Bonderman in 11 and Dontrelle Willis in 13 were better than many of the "higher quality" starters taken earlier. Of course, I had no idea that Willis would have this type of year. I note in my Willis rationale that Webb and Pettitte were the two I was considering as alternatives to Dontrelle. Any of the three would have worked out pretty well for a 13th rounder, but clearly I got the right one. 2. My general strategy was to emphaize hitting in the early rounds, taking 8 hitters and 2 closers in the first 10 picks. The closers were both solid - Wagner and Guardado (esp. Guardado, who held up better than expected). But my hitting did not measure up to expectations. Bonds was the obvious problem. Dunn was solid as a 2nd round pick, although the SB I had hoped for turned out to be a mirage. Rounds 8-10 were all disappointments - Bellhorn, Koskie, and Torii Hunter. Bellhorn was servicable for awhile for a MI, though unworthy of an 8th round pick. Hunter was hot and cold until eventually going down. Koskie was a complete bust. As a result, I got 40 ranking points in pitching, but only 45 in hitting. The pitching results were roughly as expected. But I needed top hitting, and didn't get it. Unfortunately, my F/A pickups over the season were sufficient to provide a hitting recovery, and the last couple of months turned out to reflect a slow leak. 3. I wish I'd have drafted Pat Burrell. He wasn't picked until round 14, and I remember almost taking him several times. He certainly would have worked out better than any of my 8-10 round picks. I did end up getting him via trade in August, but I gave up Damon in that trade - who turned out to be one of my better draftees (round 6). I'm always impressed at how quickly unproven callups are snatched up in this league. Even when I thought I was moving fairly quickly, I'd usually discover that a coveted player was nabbed at least a day or two earlier. Thanks to everyone for staying active throughout. We never seem to get much trading activity in the Invitational leagues, but that should never be construed as lack of activity. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 36 | Ref Donor ID: 539581218 Mon, Oct 10, 2005, 21:45 |
Guru, the league is very active, but as I said all too-often before the season, with its set-up it's very difficult to be able to trade a need for need at different positions and placate both managers in skill level. It also makes it very difficult to overcome should you have a bad draft or injury problems. It may not have mattered for teams like mine, but who knows. I still wouldn't have done a lot with my horrible underachievers. I love a league that's a challenge and this certainly qualifies. But when it came down to it, I failed miserably. I'll get a more complete recap soon. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| 37 | Ref Donor ID: 539581218 Sat, Oct 15, 2005, 13:04 |
Recap: Getting the 12th pick in the 16 team league wasn't my favorite spot, but when I nabbed Tejada at #12, I was suddenly in a great spot. Then getting Ichiro in round 2, you had to like my chances early. But as the year unfolded things went south quickly even for my top two guys. Tejada started out great but ichiro didn't. Tejada faded a bit and ultimately I felt compelled to trade him for a couple of base thieves I had hoped to trade again to guys that need steals just to cover my weak spots. Turns out, I couldn't move them at all, but at that point in the year, I had to do something. I took a gamble on VMart in the 3rd. I felt he was the best catcher available and right after he went another catcher went. I had several offers for VMART early on and even a couple late, but no one was really offering anything. That pick turned out to kill me as vmart was horrible for the first half of the year and really brought down my avg. numbers and didn't contribute to my counting stats. He actually did pretty darn good late in the year, but too little too late. I got Hudson in the 4th round. Again another value pick I thought. And Hudson wasn't bad, though getting injured, but he didn't do as much as I thought he would--esp. early on when I really needed him. My strategy was to not get caught up in pitching as with the low number of max innings for the number of pitching slots, I could always find solid pitchers later in the draft or even on the FA wire that would help. Problem was that I ended up getting a bunch of underacievers. Luckily, I was right about the FA wire and did a great job there guessing right early on--though w/o much help and missing a few times horrible--my era and whip were out of whack. I also passed on the Closer run. I went for hitters there and was so happy at the kinds of players I was able to get when everyone was going for these closers who might not even last in the role all year. That leads up to my worst pick of the year, Corey Patterson. I had it down to Patterson, Kent and Lee I believe. I had Tejada already as a MI and I was on the end where it was coming back around to me. I thought I could get Kent looking at everyone else's team. I studied this pick so hard and didn't think that Kent would go before it got back to me. But Toral grabbed him after I took Corey. That was a huge mistake for me. If I had taken Kent and let someone get Corey, I honestly believe that my whole season is different. Reason being, I had to chase numbers as Corey just killed all stats for me. He didn't run--hell he couldn't even get on base TO run. On the way back, I quickly took Lee who I had also considered with my previous pick. That turned out to be the biggest steal of the draft. He was awesome for me and single-handedly put me near the top of RBIs. But, alas, with my team faltering, I felt compelled to trade him for a closer and an up and coming OF in Sanders who was playing well and running. Both guys I got were injured though Hermy still gave me a few saves. Horrible trade in retrospect--but almost no one would trade or if they would consider it, they wanted your first born child to give up anyone of value it seemed. Frustrating trying to trade for the most part. My other trade was Penney for Swisher. Though Swisher did go on a roll for a couple weeks, he was under what I thought he'd do and I could have used some pitching so, that prob didn't help either though it didn't kill me. Glaus at 7 hit a few homers but really hurt me in the avgs fot the most part. Another supposed value-pick turned underachiever. After everyone was done with their closers and I had some hitters, I picked up the dregs in the 8th and 9th in Percy and Wickman. Percy was another wasted pick, but got huge value at Wickman in the 9th. MIke Adams in the 10th was a wasted pick. Went back to hitting in the 11th with Dmitri and he was huge on the first day of the season with 3 HRs that propelled me to first place overall. But he was miserably inconsistent and after suffering though him most of the season I dropped him. Another stat killer. Cuddyer, jiminez and infante were also wasted picks. Again guys who were all supposed to have breakout years but were putrid. I was great picking up the duds this year! I got my 2nd starting pitcher in Lowe in round 15 and he started out fine then lost it. He turned it around the day I dropped him...Go Figure! Choi and Monroe were bad and then Penny couldn't get run support. Bernie wasn't good and Phillips had his moments but ultimately was dropped too. Nady started out well and had a few offers for him, but nothing that could remotely help me. Lawrence was a bust as was Tomko and Brazleton. Best FA pickups: Garland, Chen, Counsell. There were several other good ones, but these three stick out the most. My draft turned out to be absolutely horrible. I still love my strategy, but got the wrong guys. I did well off the FA wire I thought but couldn't get any trades going. This is a very good league, but you're stuck if you don't draft well. I knew early that I had no chance to win and as hard as I tried, couldn't do anything about it. This league has just too many specific roster spots and too large to be able to evenly trade for needs for the most part. Too many pitching spots with not enough innings severely limits trading of pitching. That also has a huge impact on a team trying to get better in that the other teams don't nec. need to be realistic. That forces guys to have to overpay for anything of need like I had to do. But it's either that or nothing. This is the 2nd year that has bitten me. Last year I was 2nd and Pete was way up there so I overpaid on trades to take chances to catch him and knocked me WAY down quickly. But I didn't want to settle for 2nd. This year it was all I could do to stay out of the basement. I think this league could be great with just a couple tweaks, but alas I was outvoted. I have no one to blame but myself as I simply had a miserable draft in retrospect. Three times in my fantasy life I've finished in the bottom half of the league, once in G20 Hoops and both times in this league. I excel at preventing my team from going down in the dumps or fixing it before it gets there if I have a bad draft or injuries, etc. but twice in a row I've been unable to do it in this league. I feel, in most leagues, drafts are important but not vital for doing well, but it obviously is in this league and twice I've failed. I've always felt I could do well in any league, but you must draft well to have a chance here and I didn't. I really appreciate the opportunity to again be a part of this league. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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