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Subject: Yahoo "ethics" question
Posted by: J
- Leader [10171012] Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 15:08
I'm in a $$$ league with some guys through work.
I've got Cliff Floyd who just came off the DL, he's still on MY DL, partly because I don't think he's fully healthy yet and I also don't really know who I want to drop.
Now I'm getting $h!t from guys in the league and the commish is threatening to remove Floyd from my team himself. (Note he's only been off the DL for about 4-5 days??) WTF?????????
The way I see it, if yahoo lets me keep him there, then whats the problem????
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| 1 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 15:20
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I've played in Yahoo-hosted leagues where we had more restrictive DL rules than what Yahoo does, but those rules were always spelled out in advance of the season.
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| 2 | JackHammers
Donor
ID: 236482918
Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 15:20
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If that's all there is to it, it makes no sense at all. Even in the older, more strict Rotisserie leagues you have two weeks to make a decision on a player once he comes off the DL. Unless you've got other rules agreed upon, my understanding is that he can stay on your DL for eternity, or until you try to make another roster move
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| 3 | ksoze
Leader
ID: 04619323
Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 15:21
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Yahoo lets you keep him there as long as you want so you're playing within Yahoo's rules. Any separate rules from those detailed by Yahoo should be decided upon prior to the season, not made up as it progresses.
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| 4 | Perm Dude
ID: 2962868
Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 15:25
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Once you agreed to use Yahoo, you (and the commish) agreed to Yahoo's rules. I don't see a problem with keeping him there as long as you are able.
You will have to move him when you want to do another drop/add, however.
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| 5 | Khahan
ID: 3964927
Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 15:58
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Just note: yahoo will not let you make any roster changes until you move Floyd off the DL. So if anybody is ranting and raving at you, you can point out that you are hurting yourself by not activating him.
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| 6 | Tree
ID: 1411442914
Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 16:01
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i've kept Mark Prior on the DL in one league because he has yet to show me he's better than whoever i'd have to drop to activate him.
i can't make any other transactions, and that is my problem, and to a certain extent, disadvantage.
if the DL rule was not spelled out ahead of time, you should be able to keep Floyd on the DL all season, if you want...
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| 7 | J
Leader
ID: 10171012
Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 16:13
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oh trust me, I've pointed out that I can't make any other transactions.
So far 4 people say I need to drop him (the guy who called me out on it has always had Floyd on his team btw) and 1 is taking my side. So it looks like I gotta make a move. Or maybe I'll just sit back and see when the commish actually has the balls to drop him for me...
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| 8 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 17:04
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Work out a trade with the idiot who has a crush on Floyd. :)
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| 9 | holt
ID: 465222814
Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 17:20
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they're being unreasonable (holy crap, who cares if you have floyd active or not?), but you're dealing with humans so you shouldn't be surprised. just dump someone and activate floyd. while you're at it, remind the league that all rules need to be in place, spelled out in black and white, BEFORE the season begins. mid-season rulings are very uncool in so many ways.
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| 10 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 18:26
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As silly as R9's comment is, that's what I'd try and do (lol). Tell them to put up or shut up----you'd need to load your deal since you have the DL guy----a 2-1 or 3-2 etc----but try and move him in an upgrade. If not, enjoy the Yahoo rules.
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| 11 | Tree
ID: 29616618
Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 19:17
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have you already put the money in? if you haven't cash is a good hostage...
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| 12 | J
ID: 13443921
Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 19:37
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yeah we all paid before the season started.
I just proposed Floyd for Santana. We'll see if he appreciates that or not.
I think I'm actually gonna drop Bonds and activate Floyd, how sad is that?
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| 13 | J
ID: 13443921
Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 22:51
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awww, rejected with a "piss off" message attached. How cute :)
Oh, I also forgot to mention the same guy threatened to kick me out of his fantasy football league! I think I'll go ahead and accept that!
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| 14 | Perm Dude
ID: 2962868
Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 22:53
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Screw them, then. You are following the rules, even if they don't like them. Stick to your guns!
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| 15 | J
ID: 13443921
Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 22:57
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lol...here's an email I got:
Check out #4 you piece of trash! Keeping a player on the DL spot and not using him hampers the play of other owners. That player could be used by someone else to help them.
Even though fantasy games are meant to be a competitive experience for all involved, it is important to us that our users not lose sight of the rules of fair play and good sportsmanship.
To this end, each fantasy team owner agrees that, by joining the game, they will abide by the following regulations:
1. All league-related transactions will be executed with the intent of improving the owner's team and/or its standing within the league.
2. No owner may drop or "dump" players from their team for any reason other than improving their own team and/or its standing within the league.
3. No owner will engage in any action that may be deemed to be collusive (two or more owners agreeing to make moves that benefit one team, but not the other).
4. No owner will make any roster moves (including waiver claims, trade proposals, etc.) whose sole purpose is to hamper the play of other owners.
5. No owner will take any action whose purpose is to, in any way, interfere with fair play in a league.
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| 16 | Perm Dude
ID: 2962868
Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 23:07
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#4 can easily be read as telling you not to be competitive.
Of course, leaving him on the DL is not making a roster move. That is, rule #4 is an affirmative rule (preventing bad-intentioned moves) rather than an omissive rule (intended to force moves when non-action is perceived to be harmful).
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| 17 | Perm Dude
ID: 2962868
Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 23:08
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Forgot to add: You piece of trash!
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| 18 | xpdurmind
ID: 365571222
Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 23:25
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Holy crap Batman! He's calling you a piece of trash. Give the 14 year old his comic book back!
J, As far as I can tell the rules are very vague. They cover roster moves, but not non-moves as is the case here. Why don't you propose to a new rule where a player coming off the DL needs to be moved within 2 transaction periods(2 weeks)? That should appeal into the sense of fairplay of the other owners.
You can write something or you can borrow from other leagues rules. Here is a chapter in my leagues constitution that covers just that:
XIII. The Reserve List( we use it instead of DL since it's a keeper league)
A team may reserve any player from its 23-man roster who has been:
• Placed on the disabled list
• Sent down to the minors by his major league team
• Released or traded out of the league.
To replace such a player the team may release him outright or place him on his reserve list. A team reserves a player by notifying the Commissioner's Office. The player is then removed from the team’s active roster at the end of the transaction period. There is no limit to the number of players that a team may have on its reserve list. A suspended player may not be reserved, released or replaced.
Once a specific action has been taken to remove a player from the roster, a team is then free to select any eligible player from the free agent pool if players not already owned. The call up takes effect as soon as it is recorded although the player’s stats do not begin to accrue until the Tuesday after the transaction has recorded.
When a player on a reserve list returns to active status on his major league team, he must be reinstated to the active 23-man roster of his team two weeks after activation or be waived. Failure to notify the Commissioner's Office will be considered a waiver of the player on the reserve list. “Two weeks” is defined as 2 full reporting periods and may be as much as two weeks plus six days.
You can only trade a reserve player back to the team from which he originated after 4 reporting periods from the effective date of the trade. No player laundering! That means you Jay.
When a player is reinstated to the active 23 man roster from a team’s reserve list, the player originally called up to replace him must be waived, unless the replacement player or the original player may be shifted to another natural opening on the roster for which he qualifies. In either case, it is the replacement player who is linked to the player whose departure created the natural opening. If the replacement player has been traded, reserved, released or waived within the rotisserie league, the player acquired must be waived or put into a natural opening if one exists. A reinstated player may not displace any player on the active 23-man roster other than his original replacement or the player for whom the replacement has been traded. The rule holds through successive replacements that may occur for the duration.
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| 19 | dpr
ID: 4162611
Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 23:32
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How would dropping him be helpign your own team. Wouldn't you be breaking rules 1 and 2 if you dropped him since it wouldn't help your team?
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| 20 | Kyle
ID: 261371521
Thu, Jul 06, 2006, 23:45
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J- When Ben Sheets came off the DL the first time I kept him on my DL for his first 2 starts to see if he's healthy. I like to let batters get a couple of games under thier belt before I activate them because it gives me some hope that they might play well. While I might miss a couple hits or an RBI or two I think it's worth for them to prove to me first that they can still play. It's my version of a minor league rehab start. But in your case, you are a piece of trash!
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| 21 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 15372923
Fri, Jul 07, 2006, 00:28
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"4. No owner will make any roster moves (including waiver claims, trade proposals, etc.) whose sole purpose is to hamper the play of other owners."
So if the hot new rookie 3B Joe Shmoe got called up and you have the #1 waiver priority but you already have Arod at 3B you could not make a claim on him to bury him on your bench so other teams could not get the Shmoe? Those are a ridiculous set of rules...a lot of gray area and interpretation.
Anyway...there is no way I would drop Floyd...would not want to give the other owners the satisfaction...let them fight over the shell that is Bonds...he sucks anyway...I have Roberts sitting on my DL right now and I think Bonds may be the casualty when I activate him...how sad is that Roberts over Bonds.
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| 22 | J
ID: 13443921
Fri, Jul 07, 2006, 00:34
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I love all these responses, I'm cracking up.
I'm actually debating between Bonds and some guy named Tim Corcoran! Corc (a devil ray pitcher!) just beat the red sox and is now 3-0, 1.64ERA. Needless to say, pitching is at a premium in this league. (14 teams, H2H if that helps at all)
I also just saw that tonight Floyd got hit by a pitch on the wrist and stayed down a little, but stayed in the game...interesting.
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| 23 | holt
ID: 465222814
Fri, Jul 07, 2006, 05:11
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4. No owner will make any roster moves (including waiver claims, trade proposals, etc.) whose sole purpose is to hamper the play of other owners.
etc. is a huge gaping loophole - the kind that enables a bad commish to act like a dick and make corrupt decisions. luckily for you, you can completely defend yourself with two simple words: sole purpose.
As long as you act maturely and let him continue to portray himself as a frustrated 14 year old then you should come out pretty good.
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| 24 | Tree
ID: 1411442914
Fri, Jul 07, 2006, 12:48
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4. No owner will make any roster moves (including waiver claims, trade proposals, etc.) whose sole purpose is to hamper the play of other owners.
could we any more vague?
i mean, theoretically, if Fibber McGee is suddenly named closer of the Rangers, and you grab him before anyone else, aren't you making a roster move that will hamper the play of other owners.
keeping a guy on the DL to see if he's healthy and productive isn't hampering another team. it's keeping your team intact.
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| 25 | Tree
ID: 961396
Sun, Jul 09, 2006, 07:13
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so, how did this whole silliness pan out?
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| 26 | J
ID: 13443921
Sun, Jul 09, 2006, 11:17
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I dropped Bonds, activated Floyd just in time for yesterdays DH :)
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| 27 | The Left Wings
ID: 10522113
Sun, Jul 09, 2006, 11:27
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If I were you, I'd activate Floyd under protest, finish the season, and never play with those amateurs again.
You did absolutely nothing wrong, and I can't understand what those people are thinking. As far as I'm concerned, you can keep Floyd on your DL until the end of the season if you so want, but I doubt if anybody would ever do that, because that person would never be able to pick up anybody else from the waivers unless he drops 2 plyaers, not just 1.
Anybody who recognizes how important the waiver wire is would know that keeping an active player on DL on a long time is pretty much always a bad idea.
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| 28 | J
ID: 13443921
Sun, Jul 09, 2006, 12:05
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I agree. Especially in a H2H league.
These morons also have no transactions limit. Some people have over 110 already this year.
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| 29 | Farn
Sustainer
ID: 451044109
Mon, Jul 10, 2006, 00:35
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J, you should have said "if you can get a majority vote I'll make a move". Force the other owners to vote. Usually that takes days to formulate and would have given you more time.
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| 30 | J
ID: 13443921
Mon, Jul 10, 2006, 00:49
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It worked out ok, Bonds had been draining me anyways and Floyd is healthy and on fire now (just in time for 4 days off...d'oh!)
I knew I wanted to activate him for the DH on Saturday, so didn't want to drag it out anymore than that.
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