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0 Subject: STL pitcher Josh Hancock dies in a car crash

Posted by: Bandos
- Sustainer [279492419] Sun, Apr 29, 2007, 12:06

Just heard it on the Sox pre-game show. Very sad. They have cancelled the game of the week tonight between the cubs and cards.
1angryChair
      ID: 459171622
      Sun, Apr 29, 2007, 12:27
Very sad
2allhair allstars
      ID: 5614179
      Sun, Apr 29, 2007, 12:42
Josh Hancock-R-Cardinals Apr. 29 - 11:31 am et


St. Louis Cardinals pitcher Josh Hancock has been killed in a car accident, the team announced Sunday.
The Cardinals-Cubs game scheduled for Sunday night has been postponed. Hancock was killed early Sunday when his vehicle apparently struck a truck that was assisting a disabled vehicle, team spokesman Brian Bartow said. The Cardinals and police are expected to make a statement later in the day at Busch Stadium. (From Rotoworld)
3KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 354152921
      Sun, Apr 29, 2007, 13:02
I watched him pitch at Auburn with Tim Hudson and Colter Bean. I still remember him from those days. :(
4blue hen
      ID: 472431014
      Sun, Apr 29, 2007, 23:19
Once traded for Jeremy Giambi. Was nice that he finally found a good role with the Cardinals. It's always sad to lose someone so young, but he did achieve the ultimate goal of all players - to win a World Series.
5Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, May 01, 2007, 00:45
Man oh man. There are reports coming out now that he may have been intoxicated.
6J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Tue, May 01, 2007, 00:47
That pisses me off, the kid died tragically, why would anyone want to go public with a story like that? Its not like he killed anyone else in this accident, let him RIP.
7Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, May 01, 2007, 01:00
Agreed J.

ESPN's Dave Campbell confirms that he was at the bar, but wouldn't characterize anything else about it. That's the smart thing right there.
8Astade
      ID: 5935164
      Tue, May 01, 2007, 05:54
Re: 6 & 7

I am a proponent for waiting for things like an autopsy/toxicology report before going on what a witness "sees". However, if the medical examiner comes back stating that he was intoxicated, are you guys saying that it shouldn't be announced because he only killed himself? Or were you just saying that the speculation should be limited until the reports are made public?
9Tree
      ID: 643714
      Tue, May 01, 2007, 06:43
J & Ref - you guys have GOT to be kidding, right?

*if* he was DUI, then he hurt a lot more than himself in that accident. his selfish, stupid actions will affect his family, friends, and teammates for years to come.

reporting it isn't "punishing" him. he's already dead. if it's a fact that he was DUI, then why on earth should this be covered up?

DUI is one of the dumbest crimes around, as it is 100 percent preventable. but time and time again, some idiot gets behind the wheel of a car after having a few beers too many - over percent of weekend traffic fatalities involve alcohol, and 3 out of every 10 people here will be involved in a DUI accident over thier lifetime, either as a victim or as the perp.

it is blind luck that no one else was killed if he was DUI.

but to cover it up so he can RIP? that is one of the most absurd things i have ever heard.
10J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Tue, May 01, 2007, 07:53
I'm more referring to the part that he "may" have been intoxicated. Either say he was or wasn't, don't put it out there if you're not sure.

11holt
      ID: 50340153
      Tue, May 01, 2007, 08:43
"3 out of every 10 people here will be involved in a DUI accident over thier lifetime"

I know there are a lot of DUI accidents that occur, but I can't believe there's a 30% chance that I'll be involved in one. I don't personally know many people who have been involved in a DUI accident. no friends or family members that I can think of right now.
12Tree
      ID: 29082512
      Tue, May 01, 2007, 08:50
I know there are a lot of DUI accidents that occur, but I can't believe there's a 30% chance that I'll be involved in one.

that number comes from a 2001 study done by the NHTSA, which is part of the U.S. Department of Transportation.

i wouldn't be stunned that the number is higher. way back in the day, several kids from my HS were killed DUI, it happened in college, and two months ago the brother of one of my closest friends was run over and killed while walking on the sidewalk, on his way home, when a drunk driver jumped the curb and drove on the sidewalk for about 1000 feet before hitting Adam.
13Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Tue, May 01, 2007, 09:01
Holt - i think you are forgetting the other half of a crash. YOU may not be drinking... some other idiot may be, and may crash into you. I assume thats counted in "involved in a DUI accident"
14Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Tue, May 01, 2007, 09:07
And ESPN said last night, the owner of the bar would only say "that they offered to call a cab" but would not elaborate on the details of the drinks or food.
15Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, May 01, 2007, 16:39
Re: 10 same here.

He MAY have been intoxicated. Can we wait and see the autopsy results first?
16ants in the pants
      ID: 16293013
      Thu, May 03, 2007, 02:10
He was hammered. I don't need a densitometer to tell me black is black.

Passing somebody on the shoulder of the road and not seeing a parked tow truck? I just feel sorry for the owner of the tow truck.

You guys got to get real. How else could this happen?

This is the second tragic booze related death the past several months. At least the Danelo kid didn't have his accident on the road.

DUI should be a felony.

Tony LaRussa is an idiot. Lou can kick his arse.
17ChicagoTRS
      ID: 4110481415
      Thu, May 03, 2007, 14:58
A lot more info coming out...a couple days before the fatal accident he was disciplined by LaRussa for showing up to a game late with hangover and had gotten in another potentially serious accident 3 days before his fatal accident...no sobriety test was given after that accident.

I do kind of agree that the media should wait for an autopsy but it seems pretty likely he was DUI. I also do not understand why the team would be so quick to stick his number on their helmets or do whatever to honor the guy...there is no honor in being killed because you were intoxicated behind the wheel.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/sns-ap-bbn-cardinals-hancock,1,7440429.story
18Tree
      ID: 29082512
      Fri, May 04, 2007, 11:52
Police: Cardinals' Hancock was drunk at time of fatal accident

he hit the Trifecta with this one. he was drunk, quite possibly high, and talking on his celly when he slammed into the back of a flatbed tow truck. oh, and he wasn't wearing his seat belt.

he apparently died instantly, and the seat belt wouldn't have saved him.
20Mark L
      ID: 25155512
      Fri, May 04, 2007, 12:06
I say, leave the patch on the jersey but change the number to .157.

What an a%$hole. At least he didn't take anyone else out with him.
21Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, May 04, 2007, 12:16
I'm not going to pile on here. Was he wrong? Absolutely. But we've all made mistakes. Unfortunatley for him this was a grave mistake. Fortunately no one else was injured or killed.

I think the Cards should have his number on their jerseys. He was their teammate and, in some cases, friend. Perhaps this incident will help the cause of the prevention of drinking and driving. If he had survived it, he may have been able to campaign against it. All I know is what's done is done. No sense in name-calling to the departed. Let's hope when we make our mistakes in life, there isn't a resulting tragedy.
22Seattle Zen
      ID: 49112418
      Fri, May 04, 2007, 12:24
Speaking of as$holes, wow, y'all are way too harsh on the poor man. Show a shred of decency, the man died.
23chode
      ID: 293141514
      Fri, May 04, 2007, 14:51
Amen to posts 21 & 22.
24ChicagoTRS
      ID: 4110481415
      Fri, May 04, 2007, 15:06
deleted my post...It is sad that his mistakes cost him his life but I find it hard to have a ton of sympathy for someone who did what he did...and I do not think he should be honored.
25Punk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Fri, May 04, 2007, 15:16
I think we need to have posts for all of the other drunk/potientially high drivers that die in each city each week so we can memoralize them also. But remember he's just a "Poor man".
26Perm Dude
      ID: 4645347
      Fri, May 04, 2007, 15:18
Show a shred of decency, the man died.

Sure, but that doesn't mean he wasn't an idiot. It isn't indecent to point out that he killed himself by doing something stupid. "Decency" isn't about hushing that up because the dead are immune from criticism as to how they died.
27Tree
      ID: 29082512
      Fri, May 04, 2007, 15:36
i've got zero sympathy for someone who is DUI. thankfully, he didn't take anyone else with him.

i do feel sympathy for his family, and for the poor woman who was on the phone with him when he died, but if you're going to get wasted and then get behind the wheel of a car, you might as well be putting a bullet in the chamber, and taking aim.
28Punk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Fri, May 04, 2007, 15:37
Again this just show's how the people defending our country aren't Hero's, but the ones that die drinking and driving are going to be defended for it.
29Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, May 04, 2007, 15:54
It's not about sympathizing for his DUI or honoring him for his actions. He made a huge mistake and paid for it with his life. DUI is a HUGE problem in our society. Hopefully is death will not be in vein and it will cause awareness that people will talk about.

If you had a loved one who died--even if it was their own fault--wouldn't you still love them? What about a close friend? Put them in this siutation. As mad as you would be at the cause of death, wouldn't you still love them? That's all the Cards are doing. They are celebating his life, not the horrific mistake that cost him his life. You don't have to honor him. You didn't know him. I didn't know him. But I do hope the Cards establish a foundation for the prevention of drunk driving and they join the As (as all of baseball should do) in stop serving alcohol in the clubhouse.
30Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Fri, May 04, 2007, 17:06
Maybe the best way to honor him would be for the Cards to do public service in a sense. He can be used as an example. Work in the comunity to show the dangers of driving drunk, high and on a cell.
31Mark L
      ID: 25155512
      Fri, May 04, 2007, 17:47
Especially given LaRussa's own recent DUI, if the Cardinals as an organization were to do something significant along the lines that Ref and Electroman mention, with LaRussa in a significant role, it would be the best possible thing they could do in their teammate's memory; it would give some real meaning to the patch they are going to wear.

He threw his life away, threatened other people's lives doing it, and caused a lot of totally unnecessary pain. From my perspective, it is most definitely a situation of "there but for the grace of God [as we understand him] go I," because I was a selfish, dangerous drunk driver far too often.
32ants in the pants
      ID: 29438614
      Sun, May 06, 2007, 16:09
You're right; he's an idot. And most of you have probably prayed for an idiot's soul before. It's humane, and it separates us from animals, like LaRussa.

I can still hear his words claiming baseball players in Oakland and St. Louis weren't juicing and that Conseco was a liar. Maybe Lou went to Chicago just because he hates LaRussa.
33holt
      ID: 50340153
      Sun, May 06, 2007, 21:51
maybe you should start a "larussa is an idot" thread to carry on that discussion. not that you'd get many responses or anything.
34JEsse
      Donor
      ID: 591162423
      Sun, May 06, 2007, 22:09
My cousin was killed in an auto accident. He was only 19. His friend was driving, who lived- was drunk. I think it's appropriate to call Hancock an idiot, and as many pointed out- thankfully he didn;'t kill someone else. Anyone who drives (SOBER!) is getting into a machine that at the velocities we travel- can potentially kill someone. We (as a society) work, eat, (some even have sex) talk on the phone etc in our cars.This is potentially hazardous. Getting into a car drunk is idiotic, criminal and deserves no sympathy for that action.

Having said that- i also think compassion for his family and friends is warranted. No one should have to lose a loved one in a tragedy. It's great that this thread has been so lively- i think the more we as individuals are exposed to the reality of alcohol related traffic fatalities- the better. I personally haven't been drunk since i was 16, but there have been times when i wasn't 'legal' to drive. I either waited,took a cab or walked home. - It's good to associate driving under the influence with being an idiot or a criminal. Those are sometimes more 'real' and more 'influential' than the other thought- that driving home may kill you or someone else. No one thinks it's going to be them.

Anyhow- if the gurupies all pledge to not drink and drive- and keep it as such throughout our lives- we will do better than the 30% statistic.

35J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Mon, May 07, 2007, 08:15
I'm surprised no one's developed some sort of a breathalizer installed in all cars where if you're above the limit your car won't start.
36Frick
      Donor
      ID: 3410101718
      Mon, May 07, 2007, 08:23
J:

Such devices exist, they have been mandated for some repeat DUI offenders. I don't recall the specifics, but I beleive they have not spreat becuase they have been called an invasion of privacy. There is also the fact that another person could blow into the device, start the car and let the drunk drive.


I think a bigger issue is clubs supplying alcohol in the clubhouses. Can you imagine the lawsuits that would be flying if Hancock had killed someone? He was driving while drunk and his employer had supplied him with alcohol. Not a good position for the employer, plus don't forget that Hancock's employer is owned by Anheiser-Busch. You don't think they would get pulled into the suit?
37ChicagoTRS
      ID: 4110481415
      Mon, May 07, 2007, 15:53
Hancock was coming from a bar...was not drinking in the clubhouse. Anheiser Busch no longer owns the Cardinals. AB sold the team to William DeWitt Jr in 1996.
38J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Mon, May 07, 2007, 16:39
I know you've gotta be an idiot to drink and drive, but what kind of (sober) idiot would blow into someone's breathalizer to start their car for them?

If all the airport security isn't an invasion of privacy, this shouldn't be either. That would probably prevent more deaths than the airport security!!!!
39Ender
      ID: 5963859
      Mon, May 07, 2007, 16:56
If there's a sober guy to blow in the device, then said sober guy should be the driver.
40J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Mon, May 07, 2007, 17:06
exactly
41ChicagoTRS
      ID: 4110481415
      Mon, May 07, 2007, 17:42
within about 10 minutes of a mandatory car breathalyzer would be a device sold on ebay to blow into said device or disable the device and start the car...
42Perm Dude
      ID: 5243978
      Mon, May 07, 2007, 22:46
Yeah, that kind of thing just won't work.

What might work is stiffer penalties. Ohio, for instance, has a 3-day jail term, mandatory, for first offenders.
43Action Figure
      ID: 420372221
      Tue, May 08, 2007, 02:45
The guy was likely an alcoholic, it's too bad he didn't get help before it killed him.

44Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, May 08, 2007, 15:28
RE: 29

Yanks follow A's after the Hancock death.

Like I said then, all teams should follow Oakland's lead and ban it. Now the Yanks have and the Rays are likely to be next. Why the heck wouldn't StL be all over this?
45KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 15023167
      Tue, May 08, 2007, 16:18
Ref, StL already banned it on Friday, five days after Hancock's death.
46Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, May 08, 2007, 16:33
Cool thanks.

ESPN's Buster Oleny missed it as did I.

The Tampa Bay Devil Rays are in the process of reviewing their policy, and the New York Yankees have joined the Oakland Athletics in banning alcohol in both their home and visiting clubhouses.
47StLCards
      Dude
      ID: 31010716
      Tue, May 08, 2007, 16:36
How many more 'fans' die driving home from the games afer drinking too much? Why not ban it from the stadium altoghther. Does stopping sales in the 7th inning really mean people aren't driving home intoxicated?
48Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, May 08, 2007, 16:37
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
49ChicagoTRS
      ID: 249542719
      Tue, May 08, 2007, 22:12
It is tragic someone died because he chose to drive drunk...but personally I think it is poor that all of these teams are banning alcohol in the clubhouse...these are adults don't treat them like children. Having a beer after the game has been part of the history of the game. But realistically the banning is mostly symbolic and probably effects the coaches and managers more than the players as these days players are usually out the door asap...
50Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Wed, May 09, 2007, 10:27
They should just let them smoke some pot together after the game. That would really help team unity and its all-natural and better for ya! I'm only half joking.
51Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, May 09, 2007, 11:01
Basically teams are (were) providing alcohol for the players. It's a baseball tradition according to one site I read.
52Perm Dude
      ID: 4642898
      Wed, May 09, 2007, 11:02
So is alcoholism, according to Mickey Mantle and Jim Bouton, among others.
53JeffG
      Leader
      ID: 01584348
      Wed, May 09, 2007, 11:57
Baseball is just catching up to the corporate world on this one.

It is not just baseball clubhouses. Obviously drinking on the job is a no-no, but for years now many companies in the corporate world have banned alcohol from company functions. In my office, we can still have beer or wine (no mixed drinks) at our office Christmas party because the event is held in a catering hall and I guess they feel they are passing off the liability to some other entity, but at our annual office summer picnic, no longer is alcohol allowed.

In my office, you cannot even have unopened alcohol physically on the premises, for example a bottle of champaign or wine given to someone as a gift.
54ChicagoTRS
      ID: 4110481415
      Wed, May 09, 2007, 12:27
[soapbox /on]
So because there are alcoholics and irresponsible people...they need to try and control everyones lives. IMO far too much of that in this country these days...responsible adults should be able to make their own decisions and take responsibility for their own actions. Do not penalize those of us who are responsible...in the end these type rules/laws do little to stop the people who are irresponsible anyway as generally these types do not care about laws or rules. Just like gun control laws...the criminals still have guns...etc...etc...bleh lawyers...that is what they should ban.
[soapbox /off]
55holt
      ID: 50340153
      Wed, May 09, 2007, 18:15
agree with soapbox message.

re:47
the idea of prohibiting the sale of beer at ballgames makes me flinch. if we're gonna go down that road then why not just make all motor vehicles illegal? that would be sure to take care of all the drunk driving accidents.

you know what I'd do if they stopped selling beer at the ballpark? I'd sneak in a pint of Captain Morgan.
56Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Thu, May 24, 2007, 15:27
Hancock's father sues restaurant for overserving.

This is something bizarre, "Also named in the lawsuit are the tow truck company and driver and the driver of the car who was getting help from the tow truck on Interstate 64."

Basically, it was everyone elses fault but Josh Hancock.
57Perm Dude
      ID: 47415248
      Thu, May 24, 2007, 15:36
Man, that's just crazy. A little personal responsiblity, even in death, would be refreshing.

Wonder where Josh Hancock got his devil-may-care attitude?
58Flying Polack
      Sustainer
      ID: 378582811
      Fri, May 25, 2007, 08:51
I wonder if they will sue the woman who Hancock was talking to on his cell phone.
59Tree
      ID: 29082512
      Fri, May 25, 2007, 08:59
maybe he'll sue the cell phone...
60dumb question
      ID: 14424237
      Fri, May 25, 2007, 09:08
Wouldn't the tow truck driver and the stranded driver have a pretty good case to sue Hancock's estate?
61Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, May 25, 2007, 15:38
dq, that's exactly what I was thinking.

I am not a lawyer--though I did take some law classes in college--but my first thought is that he has a case against the bar owner for overserving. However, this is mitigated I think because the owner tried to get him a cab to go home. I don't know all the facts, but I think the bar owner covered himself in doing that. I don't know what the law is. Perhaps mbj can weigh in even though he's not practicing in StL/MO.

As far as the tow truck owner/stranded motorist, I see a countersuit coming against the estate. If it wasn't already, it is now.

The father is grieving and obviously there was huge potential for big money that won't happen either now. But the problem is that his son was at fault. Now you're suing the victims? I am not sure how hurt they were, but your son hurt their property and at least scared the bejesus out of them. They then probably were emotionally scarred after your son was killed. That is tramatic. Now you want to sue them?!?! OMG!!!
62holt
      ID: 50340153
      Fri, May 25, 2007, 20:50
2 vehicles were parked in a driving lane of an interstate and there is a fatal accident. I'm not surprised at all that a lawsuit was filed.

i'm not saying those other drivers should be held accountable. I don't know all the details so I have no idea if their actions were appropriate or not. was there a shoulder that the driver could have parked on? should the highway patrol have been notified so that they could direct traffic?

if a person is drunk and is in an accident, are any sober drivers who are involved unaccountable for any contributing factors to the accident? can they be held partially responsible?

"the tow truck may have been there up to 15 minutes, yet failed to get the stalled vehicle out of the way."

"Were the police contacted?" Kantack asked. "Why weren't flares put out? Why was the tow truck there for an exorbitant amount of time?


I just wouldn't be quick to judge Hancock's family. the only way to get those questions answered is to go to court and examine all the information.

one last thing. the driver of the stalled car and the tow truck driver are damn lucky that it was a drunk driver and not a sober driver that died. if hancock was sober these people wouldn't have a prayer in court (yeah I know, if was sober he'd have a good chance of avoiding the accident).
63Perm Dude
      ID: 47415248
      Fri, May 25, 2007, 21:20
That's not a matter of luck. A sober person not on his cell phone probably would not get into the accident. In fact, there were probably plenty of those people who went by the scene without crashing.
64Electroman
      ID: 73332719
      Fri, May 25, 2007, 21:21
When I have come across tow trucks on the road, they generally have flashing lights. At night, flashing lights stand out.

The family is grieving as has been pointed out, and they have to deal with a tarnished reputation of a loved one. That must add a lot of pain to it. But still, Josh Hancock was very irresponsible that night. Other people should not be thrown under the bus for his mistakes.
65Myboyjack
      ID: 8216923
      Fri, Dec 28, 2007, 18:29
A grim reminder with New Year's Eve approaching

A former major league baseball player left the Broward County Jail Friday after an 11-hour stay since being arrested on suspicion of driving under the influence and vehicular homicide.

Police said Jim Leyritz was behind the wheel of a 2006 Ford Expedition that collided with a 2000 Mitsubishi Montero at the intersection of Southwest Seventh Avenue and Second Street in the Himmarshee area of downtown Fort Lauderdale at 3:20 a.m.

The impact caused the other car to roll over. Police identified the female driver as Fredia Ann Veitch, of Plantation. She was ejected from the vehicle and died after being taken to Broward General Medical Center, police said. Veitch was returning from her job at the Original Steakhouse in Fort Lauderdale. Police said she is the mother of two children, ages 5 and 13 years old.....
According to Collins, Leyritz refused and he was informed that blood would be taken "above his refusal." At 6:10 a.m. and 7:12 a.m., blood was taken and delivered to the Broward County Medical Examiner's Office for analysis.

According to police records, he was booked at 4:30 a.m. Friday. He left the jail at 3:30 p.m. Friday noticeably shaken and appeared to be holding back tears. Leyritz, of Davie, was released after posting an $11,000 bond. He is charged with DUI manslaughter and DUI property damage.

Police said the investigation is continuing.

The 44-year-old is most remembered for his three-run home run off while playing for the New York Yankees against the Atlanta Braves in Game 4 of the 1996 World Series.

He began his career in 1990 with the Yankees, played 11 seasons in the majors with six different teams, and retired in 2000.
66holt
      ID: 2411212513
      Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 04:58
$llk bond? Is that normal in a vehicular homicide case?

I noticed that this accident was at 3 am. Not saying the lady that died did anything wrong, but that's a prime drunk driving hour and you've got to practice ultra-defensive driving. If you're approaching a green light, slow down a little and look both ways for the idiot who is about to run the red light.
67Tree
      ID: 541157299
      Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 11:00
Not saying the lady that died did anything wrong, but that's a prime drunk driving hour and you've got to practice ultra-defensive driving. If you're approaching a green light, slow down a little and look both ways for the idiot who is about to run the red light.

not really a great tip, as the idiot who is speeding behind you could very well drive right up your ass. the tiny little bit you could slow down approaching an intersection isn't going to make any difference, unless you've got a 9 foot neck you could stick out the window.

if leyritz is guilty, he should go to jail for a long, long time.
68holt
      ID: 2411212513
      Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 13:02
tree, you argumentative knucklehead. my apologies that I didn't also cover what I would do if some idiot was speeding up behind me. and sure, feel free to breeze right on through all those intersections without a second thought. not all of us live in new york. a 9 foot neck isn't always necessary.
: /
69Seattle Zen
      ID: 529121611
      Sat, Dec 29, 2007, 14:28
Well, she could crawl home wearing a hunter-orange jumpsuit and flashing red bike lights as well, holt. Can't be safe enough at 3:20am.

I'm sure steroids had something to do with it...

As for the bond, I don't know what the standards are in Florida, but in my state the only two criteria the court is to consider when setting bail is "flight risk" and "the potential to commit a violent crime". Our courts would require as pre-trial release conditions that he check in two or three times a week for breath and UA tests for alcohol. Leyritz isn't a flight risk simply because he doesn't own a white Bronco and Florida isn't connected to Mexico ;)
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