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0 Subject: Fantasy Sports Live

Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Tue, Jun 26, 2007, 17:17

I was referred to this site - www.fantasysportslive.com a couple days ago, and I think it offers an interesting (and potentiallly profitable) opportunity for Gurupies. The site is quite new (launched last week, I believe). It offers a range of daily contests (all baseball, currently, but other sports will follow soon). Each contest has limited entrants (typically 2-10), and involves selecting a limited fantasy baseball lineup subject to specified restrictions (salary cap, game time, etc.). Entry fees are modest, and prizes are awarded to the top finishers in each contest, as posted. You can participate in multiple contests on any day, or skip a day if you are busy or disinclined - so the schedule is ideal for those who like to play fantasy sports, but often feel restricted by the need to balance the time commitment of an ongoing game with "real life".

Click on the icon or the site link to check it out. If you decide to open an account, insert rotoguru in the bonus code field for an improved initial instant bonus deposit (subject to terms posted at the site). This will also identify you as a RotoGuru affiliate, which allows RotoGuru.com to benefit from the referral.

I signed up yesterday, entered one contest last night, and won a few bucks. The process was very simple and intuitive. As each contest is filled, new ones open up, so I don't believe there are any effective limits on the number of available contests of each type.

As a new venture, I'm sure there will be bugs (I found a minor one this morning that was quickly resolved), but the concept is appealing and infrastructure seems to work well. The business model seems to be financially viable and sustainable (given sufficient participants).

Feel free to use this thread to post questions, comments, ideas, etc. And if you register using the rotoguru bonus code, thanks!

1Seattle Zen
      ID: 49112418
      Tue, Jun 26, 2007, 17:53
Just signed up but didn't deposit any money. Do you, Guru, still get a bonus?
2Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Jun 26, 2007, 18:17
My affiliate bonus is dependent on your participation in contests. (Doesn't matter whether you win or lose, though.)

Signing up and then being inactive has no impact.
3Seattle Zen
      ID: 49112418
      Tue, Jun 26, 2007, 18:36
Alright, I'll win a few of these things with that in mind.
4Khahan
      ID: 5654181
      Tue, Jun 26, 2007, 21:04
Just signed up, though probably won't be active until after the Allstar break. "Rotoguru" was already filled in at the blank you mentioned, so it was easy to do the referral. Seems like they are trying their best to work with you. :)
5Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Jun 26, 2007, 21:38
The link should cause the rotoguru code to be pre-filled, but I added the instructions just in case.
6Pops
      ID: 5923858
      Tue, Jun 26, 2007, 22:16
Pfffft, ridiculous!

Jeremy sub-mendoza Carroll might cost me 36 bux!
7Ender
      ID: 1138421
      Tue, Jun 26, 2007, 23:35
I registered, but the "instant" $30 has not shown up in my account.
8donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 00:17
sounds like fun. I plan to join.

on their site they mention a $10 instant deposit bonus for a $100 deposit. But Ender referred to a $30 instant bonus. how does one get that amount when registering/depositing ?
9donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 00:20
In case anyone missed this and lives in one of these states....sorry

Legal Residents of the states of Arizona, Iowa, Louisiana, Maryland, Montana, and Vermont, as well as Legal Residents of Quebec are ineligible to open or maintain accounts, participate in contests, or win prizes on FSL
10Ender
      ID: 1138421
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 00:38
The deposit I mention flashes across the ad in Guru's original post. I emailed customer support. I'll let you know what they tell me.
11donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 01:03
ok, thanks Ender. Appreciate it.
12Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 11:36
I think you still have to make a deposit to get the "free" bonus. A $50 deposit gets you a $10 bonus, a $100 deposit gets you a $20 bonus, and a $200 deposit gets you a $30 bonus. It's "free" in the sense that you can essentially play with your bonus money, and then withdraw your initial deposit if you wish.

At least, that's my understanding.
13Ender
      ID: 335132010
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 11:59
I figured it was something like that, but it's hard to find that expressly written IMO. I did take the time to read the rules and the FAQ, but missed that distinction. The only thing I didn't get too was the Flash walk through. Perhaps it's in there, or perhaps I simply missed it.

I am a bit disappointed that I haven't heard anything back from customer service even if it was only a polite "It's in the Rules."
14Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 12:13
Not sure if it's explicitly in the rules (because I think the bonus is lower if you don't have a referral bonus code). But, on the registration page, if you enter a dollar value in the deposit field, it immediately updates (and displays) the value of the related bonus.

It could be clearer, of course.
15Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 12:19
BTW, Ender, I though you might have already been involved. For the first contest I looked at several days ago, I noticed one entrant was named "Ender666". Must be your evil twin!
16donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 12:21
Ender - did the instant bonus ever show up in your account ? If so, how much did you deposit, and how much bonus did you get.

Guru - you stated in post 12 that a $50 deposit gets a $10 bonus, but I read in their rules that it took a $100 deposit got a $10 bonus. Is the lower deposit amount of $50 for the $10 bonus because of using Rotoguru as the bonus code ?

Basically I want to get the biggest bonus ($30) I can to start out, so I'm trying to figure out how much I need to deposit to get that. There seems to be some confusion about that still.

I can email their customer service about it, but with Ender not hearing back from them yet, I'm not that confident in getting an answer.

17Pops
      ID: 505182616
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 12:24
Ha!

VMart was removed for a pinch runner and didn't score a run.

Mags struck out in his last at-bat.

Ted Lilly had 1 more out to get before his night was done and he gave up a Hr.

In order, -1, -1, -2 (+1 after he got the last out).

All significant because I was 1 point behind first place in our $10 contest.

Rank Team/Owner Roster Score
1
Flick

1. J. Garland CWS 26
2. B. McCann ATL 4
3. P. Konerko CWS 1
4. P. Polanco DET 2
5. M. Cabrera FLA 1
6. M. Young TEX 5
7. C. Lee HOU 7
8. K. Griffey CIN 4
9. V. Guerrero ANA 3

53
2
Pops (you)

1. T. Lilly CHC 18
2. V. Martinez CLE 3
3. A. Pujols STL 3
4. C. Utley PHI 11
5. D. Wright NYM 1
6. C. Guillen DET 0
7. A. Dunn CIN 7
8. C. Beltran NYM 7
9. M. Ordonez DET 2

52
18Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 12:25
The higher bonus is because of the rotoguru bonus code.

I believe a $200 deposit is the minimum needed for the $30 bonus. You can simply try entering different amounts in the deposit field as see how the bonus is impacted - since it updates the displayed value immediately.
19Pops
      ID: 505182616
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 12:25
Re 16:

I deposited 50 and got a 10 bonus, and I used Guru's code.
20donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 12:31
Re: 18

Ok Guru, thanks. I'll try that later today. Now I need to get to figuring out how many Tigers to play in RH today !
21Ender
      ID: 335132010
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 12:47
Still no answer, but at least I understand the situation now.

I am just plain old "Ender". I signed up last night and have yet to deposit any money pending clarification. I want the free money, but that's a pretty significant deposit IMO for a brand new enterprise. I'll have to stew on that for awhile.
22Ender
      ID: 335132010
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 13:01
I just received an email from Kevin, He clarified the situation thoroughly and politely(Guru is correct).
23Pops
      ID: 505182616
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 14:59
Grrrr, Had IRod and Mags today in my $5 contest.
24BayAreaBlueJays
      ID: 2330816
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 15:12
Did you have Granderson also? Only 2 players used both IRod and Maggs.
I was one and the other one also had Curtis.
25Pops
      ID: 505182616
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 15:23
Rank Team/Owner Roster Score
1
Pops (you)

1. C. Zambrano CHC 10
2. I. Rodriguez DET 0
3. L. Berkman HOU 2
4. H. Kendrick ANA 0
5. A. Ramirez CHC 0
6. R. Braun MIL 0
7. M. Ramirez BOS 0
8. C. Hart MIL 0
9. M. Ordonez DET 0
12

That's my team for contest ID 124
26donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Wed, Jun 27, 2007, 23:29
"Typically 90% minimum is paid back".

That was on their FSL blog, but it's not really true. Except for the heads up & $1 entry games (and the games that don't fill up), their typical payout is actually 80% - 85%. It still looks like fun, and I plan on giving it a try. I just don't think they should start out a new venture with claims that are not accurate.
27Rex Davidson
      ID: 37492717
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 10:20
Seems like a great concept. As I don't pariticipate in baseball but do play a number of basketball games, I was wondering if the rotoguru offer is a one-time short-term thing or will they still offer or re-offer the bonus when hoops starts ups?
28Ryan
      ID: 205192814
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 15:21
It will most likely be an on going bonus. Thats how most sites like this work. Its based on a Poker Site;s concept and I think is very sustainable. I was the guy that let Guru know about this.
29Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 19:28
donk[26] - they may still be accurate since contests are held even if not full. While a full contest might only pay out 80-85%, the average contest might actually be close to 90%. I'm not sure how many contests end up at less than capacity, of course.
30donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Thu, Jun 28, 2007, 20:04
Re: 29

Guru - yeah I saw that a lot of them don't fill completely up. I'll have to get in some of those. I was mainly referring to the full 6 & 10 player contests. In retrospect, I was a bit harsh with my comments, as it's not really a big deal if some of the payouts are less than 90%. I think it's a solid idea for a game, doesn't cost an arm and a leg to play, and should be fun. I'm looking forward to playing soon.

31donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Fri, Jun 29, 2007, 14:14
To anyone that has actually played a contest already.

after drafting all your players for a contest, do you need to click the PLAY button at the bottom of the draft selection page before the contest begins to lock in your lineup ? On your FAQ page it says that your roster is frozen at the start time of a contest, but makes no mention of the PLAY button. So I'm unsure if I need to do that, or if just having my roster filled is all I need to do before the contest starts.

and if the PLAY button is not used to lock in your lineup, then any idea what it IS used for ?

Thank you for any feedback you could give me on this.

32Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Jun 29, 2007, 14:40
It locks in your lineup. At least, when I've clicked it, I'm no longer able to make lineup changes.

I don't know what would happen if you failed to click it. You might very well end up with a blank roster.
33donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Fri, Jun 29, 2007, 15:12
Thank you Guru, appreciate it.

I have my first contest tonight. Looking forward to the action.

34donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Fri, Jun 29, 2007, 20:18
Re: 32

I clicked the PLAY button a few minutes before the contest started to lock in my lineup, but seemed like I was still able to make player changes after that (I clicked on a player in my lineup just to see what would happen, and it took me to the draft page and brought up the list of players for that position). Maybe you need to click it to get your lineup "registered", but you can then still make changes. Not sure, but at this point I don't think I'll risk NOT clicking it before the contest starts, just to be sure.
35Pops
      ID: 5923858
      Fri, Jun 29, 2007, 22:30
McCann, - 4 points in 6 AB's!

That's looking like the difference right now b/n 1st and 3rd in my contest - argh!
36donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Sat, Jun 30, 2007, 01:58
so how did you end up Pops ?

If C. Young holds on for the win, I think I'll finish 1st in one contest, and last in the other. I went with a different lineup in the 2nd contest I joined, so as to hedge my bets a little. bad idea. would have won both if I used the same lineup in the 2nd one. oh well, just getting my feet wet on the first day of play.

p.s. - I used McCann in my 2nd lineup also, but I did so bad in that one it wouldn't have helped if he hit 4 HR's instead of the 4 K's.
37Pops
      ID: 5923858
      Sat, Jun 30, 2007, 02:21
It's tough to say b/c the scoring is glitchy. Berkman has had pts given and removed several different times tonight. From the looks of it though, both the guys w/ Chris Young will finish in the money and the other guy who had Wakefield will.

If I had McCann's -4 removed and replaced w/ a 0, I believe I would finish third - again though, the scoring is glitchy.
38donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Sat, Jun 30, 2007, 02:29
yeah, I saw that with Berkman. I think he had 10 points tonight, and it's showing as zero. I didn't notice any other glitches, though I didn't look that closely, so wouldn't be surprised if there were others.
39donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Sun, Jul 01, 2007, 17:53
just to keep this thread going - it was sinking down pretty far on the list.

somebody in one of my contests today picked Kameron Loe for his pitcher (against the BoSox at Fenway). Naturally Loe won, and the guy should finish in one of the top 3 money spots. Either the guy is a genius, or a _________ (fill in the blank)

40donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Mon, Jul 02, 2007, 04:13
don't know about anyone else, but I find this game almost as addictive as Rotohog. I've enjoyed playing, and it doesn't take too much time.

I played my first heads up contest earlier today. It was the "late games" format, with only 4 games to choose from. Even so, I was surprised (maybe I shouldn't have been) when I saw that my opponent and I picked the same player in 7 out of 9 positions. So it came down to his 2 "different" players against my 2. None of them got many points, but I'm happy to say I pulled it out.

I'd be interested to hear other opinions/thoughts on this new game, or about any good or bad experiences with this site so far.

41Pops
      ID: 505182616
      Mon, Jul 02, 2007, 11:49
My first few days were great, but i've stuggled the last few.

Really, most of that performance has been dictated by SP selection, and that brings up an issue I think is somewhat inherently flawed with the concept.

In "real" baseball, the saying goes, you're only as good as your next day's SP (momentum is your next day's SP...fill in your own version).

That said, if my lineup had Pujols, Utley, Mags, Vlad, Reyes, Beltran etc on it, I would be much better than just my next day's SP :-).

So, really, I think the format favors SP's a little much. Maybe a 15-20% reduction in SP points is warranted.

How do you accomplish this? For starters, 1 ER = 1 BB is a bit ridiculous. Also, maybe cut the win to 7.5 pts.

I'm still going to continue to play, as it's just too much fun. However, addressing the above and a few other issues would be great mods. to the concept IMO.
42donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Mon, Jul 02, 2007, 13:33
Re: 41 Pops

I agree that SP's carry too much weight. They often score half your points (or more) on a given contest. I think they should be around 25% of your score, not 50%. Also, the 1 ER = 1 BB is indeed a very bizarre ratio, which is part of the reason they score so high.

But as you say, it's just too much fun. So I will continue to play, and hope they make some adjustments in the scoring. However, I won't be holding my breath waiting for that to happen.
43Ender
      ID: 1138421
      Thu, Jul 05, 2007, 19:22
Is anyone having consistent success at this (i.e. making money)? I'm interested, but I odn't want to just kiss my money good-bye. I have enough teams and wouldn't really enjoy it if I'm not coming out ahead.
44donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Thu, Jul 05, 2007, 21:12
Re:43 Ender

That's hard to say. I cashed in the first 5 contests I entered, then didn't cash in the next 5. I'd say a majority of the players there know what they are doing, but there are definately some who aren't so good (you can see all teams lineups after the contest starts). Plus there are some contests that don't fill up all the way (for example, 6 or 7 entered in a 10 player contest), but they pay out the full prizes either way. So those are some nice "overlays". I'd say the game can be beat, but not enough of a sample size yet to be sure.

One minor problem I have is the strong temptation to hedge my FSL lineup versus my Rotohog lineup, so I don't have all my eggs in one basket. It's just so hard for me to play similar lineups in both, though I would probably have done better in FSL if I had. If you join, I'll be curious to know if you feel the need to hedge against RH (or other games) the way I do.
45donk44
      ID: 563322323
      Sun, Jul 08, 2007, 21:13
anyone else have trouble with the site today ? There didn't seem to be any contests to register for, and it still shows a contest I was in last night as "running".
46BayAreaBlueJays
      ID: 2330816
      Sun, Jul 08, 2007, 23:53
There are 15 contests showing as completed for today(Sunday).I didn't play any so not sure if there was a problem registering and as you said there is still one contest(#406) from yesterday(7/7) showing as still running.
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