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Subject: 2007 Award Thread
Posted by: Khahan
- [486552412] Mon, Oct 01, 2007, 14:32
Predictions for the various 2007 awards.
AL MVP: Some guy named Alex Rodriguez
AL Cy Young: Josh Becket (very close vote w/ sabathia)
AL RoY: Delmon Young
NL MVP: Matt Holiday
NL Cy Young: Jake Peavy (pitching Triple Crown)
NL RoY: Ryan Braun
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| 52 | Perm Dude
ID: 169581721
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 00:50
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I also believe he deserves the Cy Young award. The fact he pitched well at home and away is a great argument for his dominance.
I agree with both these statements. Also, he dominated other pitchers in comparison--he was about a half a run better in ERA, for example. Tops in WHIP, etc.
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| 53 | beebop
ID: 21959181
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 04:27
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I just think Peavy is that good, it probably wouldnt matter where he pitched. 3 out of the last 4 seasons, his home/road splits have been very similiar.
Also, dont know how much of a point this is, as it involves different staffs, and maybe Dodger pitchers are just good, but there home/road splits were virtually the same too, slightly better ERA and batting averge against on the road. I think Peavy's ERA at LA was 4.50 this year.
I wouldnt go as far as saying opposing batters need more time to adjust to Coors, as we all usually jump all over hitters who have upcoming games there for fantasy purposes.
Colorado were under .500 on the road. They might just be one of those teams who knows how to utilise their home ballpark to their advantage and just generally perform better at home.
Would Coors be a hitters park even without the thin air factor?
I dont know if you can really take away from players where their home stadium is too much. Does Adrian Gonzalez get an extra 5-10HR because half his games are in a pitchers park? It isnt quite to extremes as Hollidays splits, except when you look at SLug%
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| 54 | Nerfherders
ID: 501035289
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 11:50
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AL MVP A-Rod
AL Cy Sabathia
AL RoY Pedroia
NL MVP Holliday
NL Cy Peavy
NL RoY Braun
I think Holliday is the clear choice for MVP this year. He carried that team on his shoulders for a good part of the year, but especially those last 15 games, and that will be fresh in the all of the voters' minds. He won the batting title, was second in the RBI race (by one), top 5 in HR's. I don't know how he will not get it.
After having lived in Denver for seven years I developed a theory on why the hitter's splits are so different home vs road. It comes down to breaking pitches. A breaking pitch doesnt break as much in Coors as it does at sea level. The difference is very small but when you are used to a pitch breaking so much, and it breaks a cm more, thats the difference between a base hit and a grounder to SS. As for pitching, the Rockies needed pitchers who are not afraid to throw strikes and had good fastballs and hard sliders. They finally figured that part out, and along with the humidor the Rockies pitching in Coors Field has actually been good. But I always felt that the hitters not hitting on the road would never allow them to have success. I gladly eat my words. :)
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| 55 | blue hen
ID: 16322314
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 14:29
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Zen 50:
I don't have access to Ballpark Factor statistics for 2007
Did you even look?
Petco is dead last, at .755. #29 is closer to #25 than they are to the Pads.
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| 56 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Thu, Oct 18, 2007, 18:30
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Thanks, BH, Petco certainly is more of a pitcher's park than Coors is a batter heaven.
I am shocked to see that both Minute Maid field and the Metrodome were well below Safeco field. What happened in Houston, I thought that place was a bandbox?
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| 57 | ¤ Mario LeMoose ¤
ID: 139153014
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 16:27
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American League 2007 Gold Glove Winners
C ... Ivan Rodriguez, Det
1B ... Kevin Youkilis, Bos
2B ... Placido Polanco, Det
SS ... Orlando Cabrera, LAA
3B ... Adrian Beltre, Sea
OF ... Ichiro Suzuki, Sea
OF ... Torii Hunter, Min
OF ... Grady Sizemore, Cle
P ... Johan Santana, Min
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| 58 | Great One
ID: 201155199
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 18:32
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Its crap that Crisp doesn't win the Gold Glove over Grady and Torii. He had more assists than both, only made 1 error for a .998 fielding percentage and had more total chances than both.
To top it off, Fenway is a much more difficult CF to play, and he had dozens of highlight (and a few game-saving) catches.
Ichiro was incredible, can't argue that one.
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| 59 | Electroman
ID: 73332719
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 18:45
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Gold Gloves are awared a lot on offense and your reputation. I remember when Orlando Cabrera won his first GG, it was Maury Wills that did a lot of lobbying for him. Without that, being in Montreal, I don't think that people would have noticed his great play that year. I guess that Crisp didn't get talked up enough. He also had a pretty slow start to the year, but turned it on later.
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| 60 | ¤ Mario LeMoose ¤
ID: 391033519
Tue, Nov 06, 2007, 20:20
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National League 2007 Gold Glove Winners
C ... Russell Martin, LAD
1B ... Derrek Lee, ChC
2B ... Orlando Hudson, Ari
SS ... Jimmy Rollins, Phi
3B ... David Wright, NYM
OF ... Carlos Beltran, NYM
OF ... Aaron Rowand, Phi
OF ... Jeff Francoeur, Atl
P ... Greg Maddux, SD
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| 61 | Rendle
ID: 449391213
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 10:17
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I haven't watched much of Crisp this year but I don't know how you can give a gold glove to anyone over Torii Hunter. All year Grady was unbelievable. I watched alot of Indians games when Grady and Coco played next to each other and Coco was a level below Grady.
An error here and there is acceptable when you're making many extraordinary plays and assists are overrated because many base runners don't attempt the extra base when a top notch outfielder has the ball. That's why Manny always has a bunch of assists and I think Soriano was near the top of the league the first year he went to the outfield.
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| 62 | Great One
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ID: 053272014
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 10:43
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Part II - someone tell me how David Wright won a Gold Glove?!
from an Indian's message board
Rob Neyer, whose opinion I greatly respect, writes today about the "Three Big Biases" that affect Gold Glove voting: voting for past winners (even when they stopped being great fielders), voting for superstars (i.e. great hitters like Derek Jeter), and looking at fielding percentage. So I found it interesting what he wrote today about this year's selections. He had quite a bit to criticize about the selections, but this is what he wrote about the AL outfielders:
It's another year, which means more awards for Ichiro and Torii Hunter. So they win as repeaters, and Grady Sizemore wins because he was on the cover of Sports Illustrated. It's a shame the voters didn't realize just how well Coco Crisp and Curtis Granderson were playing this year.
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| 63 | Great One
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ID: 053272014
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 10:46
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And Crisp made some INCREDIBLE catches this year, including the one that put them in the World Series. Its not like he was just taking it easy and thats why he didn't have any errors.
And is there a more difficult CF to play than Fenway? probably in Houston - but thats about it.
And I agree about Granderson too - he was great.
I'm not dissing Grady - all 3 were are great choices, I guess I just think Crisp was a bit better. Just not enough spots I guess.
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| 64 | Rendle
ID: 449391213
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 10:51
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Forgot about Granderson, he's way up there too. Looks like all the candidates are center fielders. It would be pretty much impossible if they had to pick one guy from each OF position.
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| 65 | Razor
ID: 136523110
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 10:52
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Martin is a good defensive catcher but is not the best defensive catcher in the league. He calls a great game, does a fine job blocking the plate and throws out a solid amount of runners, but he still gave up a lot of SB's and airmailed many throws. Not sure Andruw Jones deserved one either.
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| 66 | Great One
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ID: 053272014
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 11:01
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Yeah, OF just seems to be all encompassing. Ichiro played an amazing CF too.
LAKE BUENA VISTA, Fla. - David Wright deserves all kinds of praise for his 2007 season, but winning a Gold Glove Award at third base? That apparently even surprised the Mets.
Wright and Carlos Beltran both were awarded Gold Gloves Tuesday, with Beltran getting the honor for a second straight year. Wright had 21 errors, fifth most in the National League. When Robin Ventura won the award as a Met in 1999, he had nine errors. Wright's error total was the most by an NL third baseman who won since Ken Caminiti's 24 in '97. The award is voted on by the league's managers and coaches.
so who should it be? I guess these guys weren't as exciting... a google search turns up someone else's analysis -
David Wright makes more WOW! plays, but I think his defense isn't as good as other people say, he had a .954 and 21 errors. I say it comes between these guys.
Pedro Feliz
Chipper Jones
Scott Rolen
In selected categories this how they ranked.
FPCT:
1: Pedro Feliz
2: Chipper Jones
3: Scott Rolen
Errors (least)
1: Chipper Jones
2: Scott Rolen
3: Pedro Feliz
Range Factor
1: Scott Rolen
2: Pedro Feliz
3: Chipper Jones
Zone Rating
1: Pedro Feliz
2: Scott Rolen
3: Chipper Jones
So if each player gets two points for getting first, one point for getting second, and non for third. Here's who leads.
Pedro Feliz: 5
Scott Rolen: 4
Chipper Jones: 3
I'm going with Pedro Feliz.
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| 67 | Nerfherders
ID: 501035289
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 11:52
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Wow that NL list is an absolute sham. The Rockies led the league and had the best fielding percentage in MLB history and yet not a single one wins a gold glove? Tulowitzki I felt was a shoe-in for the GG this year - easily the best defensive shortstop in the NL. As good as Francouer is, Andruw is still better. And David Wright. Dont even get me started.
I seem to get worked up over this every year but I guess because Tulo didnt win one this year I am even more pissed at these selections. Also Andruw was even better defensively this year than his last two seasons, but I guess because he only hit .210 he cant be as good right? How ridiculous.
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| 68 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 12:11
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The Rockies led the league and had the best fielding percentage in MLB history and yet not a single one wins a gold glove?
That was the first thing that entered my mind, as well. I have never liked the Gold Glove awards, they occasionally make the right call, but there are glaring mistakes every year.
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| 69 | blue hen
ID: 16322314
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 15:13
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What about when Mr. Steroids played 27 games at 1B and won. Seriously, these are a real sham.
However, I don't think "Fielding Percentage" should be our crowning metric.
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| 70 | Perm Dude
ID: 16105679
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 15:18
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I agree with Zen. Being from Cleveland, I remember all too often the sting of a Gold Gloves award going to better known players with weaker stats.
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| 71 | Great One
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ID: 053272014
Wed, Nov 07, 2007, 15:50
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like Jeter.
I agree about Tulowitzki, he plays a great SS. At least with him (like Crisp/Granderson) somebody credible - Jimmy Rollins - won. Perhaps mostly because he's a "name brand" but at least he's a good SS.
Now if he Tulowitkzi played 3B and lost to David Wright... lol!
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| 72 | Great One
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ID: 053272014
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 15:11
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NEW YORK (AP) --
Ryan Braun won the NL Rookie of the Year award in one of the closest votes, while
Dustin Pedroia ran away with the AL honor Monday.
Braun, Milwaukee's slugging third baseman, edged Colorado shortstop Troy Tulowitzki by two points in balloting by the Baseball Writers' Association of America.
Pedroia, the little Boston second baseman with the big swing, easily topped Tampa Bay outfielder Delmon Young. Voting was done before Pedroia helped lead the Red Sox to the World Series title.
Called up from Triple-A in late May, Braun hit .324 with 34 home runs and 97 RBIs. The Brewers led the majors in homers this season and stayed in contention for the NL Central championship until the final week.
Braun got 17 of the 32 first-place votes and finished with 128 points. Tulowitzki received 15 first-place votes and had 126 points.
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| 73 | Khahan
ID: 486552412
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 15:55
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I found the RoY votes very odd. Yes, TT had a nice year for the Rockies and helped them immensely on defense. But RoY doesn't often value that so I assumed Braun would run away with it.
In the AL, I figured it would be a very close vote and Pedroia got the run away. Hard to argue either way, imho. I picked Young for the AL, but I figured the AL results would be very close and almost a toss up.
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| 75 | Perm Dude
ID: 2110241111
Mon, Nov 12, 2007, 16:04
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I picked Young as well, but both are very good picks. And there was more competition in the NL ROY than I expected.
Tomorrow should be interesting, as the AL CYA winner is announced.
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| 76 | Khahan
ID: 221026129
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 14:15
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AL Cy Young - Rubbish I say. Rubbish!!! j/k'ing.
Congratz to Sabathia. That one was truly a toss up and you can't go wrong with Sabathia as the winner.
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| 77 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 14:17
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C.C. Sabathia wins AL Cy Young award
Congrats, CC. Funny how often the scenario of CC and Josh happens: A close race for an award, the guy who eventually wins performs poorly in the playoffs while the bridesmaid shines.
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| 78 | holt
ID: 129202215
Tue, Nov 13, 2007, 17:19
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no gold glove for Chris Duncan? wtf
Delmon Young #2 A.L. RoY? The only positive stat he possesses is the 93 RBI. 65 runs, 26 BB in almost 700 PA. .316 OBP, .408 slug. Only 13 HR for a guy who is supposed to be a slugger. Not very impressive.
Dice-K had 15 wins, over 200 K's. Bannister was 12-9 (for the Royals!), 3.87 ERA, 1.21 whip. Both should be ahead of Delmon Young in my opinion.
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| 79 | JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 14:22
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MOY announced today. Wedge & Melvin
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| 80 | Perm Dude
ID: 361055149
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 15:00
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Only 13 HR for a guy who is supposed to be a slugger
Anyone who thinks Young was supposed to be a slugger wasn't paying much attention. He hit 25 dingers in single A, but fell to the mean after that, with 20 in AA, then 14 in AAA. He's got a little pop and a bit of speed. You'll never see him batting cleanup but he's a very good #3 hitter.
If there was a big disappointment it is the lack of stolen bases, but as a #3 hitter he wasn't given the green light too much.
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| 81 | GoatLocker
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Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 15:12
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Amplifying on what PD said, Delmon was never a HR hitter in High School, but did bat in the .550 / .600 range every year.
Cliff
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| 82 | blue hen
ID: 16322314
Wed, Nov 14, 2007, 16:06
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Come on... Melvin wasn't even the best "Melvin" in the National League - even if the other one had "General" in his title.
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| 83 | Nerfherders
ID: 501035289
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 11:39
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I wouldve liked to see Hurdle win but I can understand Melvin - winning 90 games with a negative run differential is a very very hard thing to do. They also did it with alot of kids, no true cleanup hitter, and a suspect rotation after Webb. It's actually kind of amazing when you think about it.
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| 84 | blue hen
ID: 16322314
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 16:36
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In a shocking development - Peavy wins Cy Young Award!
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| 85 | Perm Dude
ID: 361055149
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 17:20
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Sabathia named AL CYA winner? Baseball Reference is showing him as the winner, but I can't find a link elsewhere saying that.
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| 86 | Perm Dude
ID: 361055149
Thu, Nov 15, 2007, 17:21
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Here is the breakdown
This table will be goofy, but here you go:
1st Max | Season Results
Rk Name Team Place Points Points Share| W-L IP ERA WHIP SO SV
+--+----------------+----+-----+------+------+-----+------+---+-----+-----+---+--+
1 C.C. Sabathia CLE 19 119 140 0.85 | 19-7 241 3.21 1.14 209
2 Josh Beckett BOS 8 86 140 0.61 | 20-7 201 3.27 1.14 194
3 John Lackey LAA 1 36 140 0.26 | 19-9 224 3.01 1.21 179
4 Fausto Carmona CLE 0 7 140 0.05 | 19-8 215 3.06 1.21 137
5 Erik Bedard BAL 0 1 140 0.01 | 13-5 182 3.16 1.09 221
5 Roy Halladay TOR 0 1 140 0.01 | 16-7 225 3.71 1.24 139
5 Johan Santana MIN 0 1 140 0.01 | 15-13 219 3.33 1.07 235
5 Justin Verlander DET 0 1 140 0.01 | 18-6 202 3.66 1.23 183
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| 87 | GoatLocker
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Fri, Nov 16, 2007, 12:45
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BH 84
Only shocking part of it might be that he got all of the 1st place votes making it unanimous.
Cliff
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| 88 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 14:39
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Rollins wins NL MVP.
Complete BS. If the Mets didn't choke, how many votes would Holliday have won it by?
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| 89 | Perm Dude
ID: 331041209
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 14:45
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Wow. Never thought he'd win it, though I thought he'd get some votes.
He wasn't even on the 2007 All Star team.
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| 90 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 18:12
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I don't even think Rollins is the most valuable player on his TEAM, much less the league. Holliday was stone cold ROBBED!
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| 91 | Perm Dude
ID: 331041209
Tue, Nov 20, 2007, 18:47
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2007 vote
It was actually pretty close.
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| 92 | Nerfherders
ID: 501035289
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 11:30
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I know it's used as an excuse alot, but I am going to chalk this one up to east coast bias. I think Holliday was the clear MVP.
The Rockies were really robbed in the awards this year. The best field % in history and no gold gloves, Tulo missing out on ROTY and Holliday missing MVP.
At least they have a little thing called a National League Pennant. :)
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| 93 | blue hen
ID: 16322314
Wed, Nov 21, 2007, 12:08
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Holliday was pretty great, but remember that Rollins hit quite well from a much scarcer position. Who were the other best outfielders in the NL? There seem to have been a lot of good ones. Shortstops? Hanley, sure. Reyes, maybe. Then what? Look at some of the guys starting at short.
That said, as you can see in posts 2 and 22, Utley had my vote. In my opinion, he was better than either Rollins or Holliday, even if he missed time.
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| 94 | Perm Dude
ID: 5810352218
Thu, Nov 22, 2007, 20:06
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Rollins would not have gotten it, IMO, without the 30 dingers. That's a pretty good number. 27-28 home runs and he doesn't get MVP, IMO.
I thought he'd get some votes because he fills out the stat sheet.
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| 95 | GO in Hilton Head
ID: 2210371810
Fri, Nov 23, 2007, 10:31
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I believe I got everything right in post #1 except Josh Beckett instead of CC... and I was right as I did pick the best pitcher in baseball.
The playoffs proved that on both sides.
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| 96 | Razor
ID: 136523110
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 11:48
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I know it's used as an excuse alot, but I am going to chalk this one up to east coast bias. I think Holliday was the clear MVP.
Looking at a list of recent Cy Young and MVP winners, there are more West Coast and Midwest winners than East Coast winners by far.
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| 97 | Great One
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ID: 053272014
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 12:14
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I believe there is a Coors Field bias as well... whether its accurate anymore (humidor) or not.
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| 98 | Razor
ID: 136523110
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 12:38
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According to Baseball Prospectus, Holliday was the 8th best hitter in the NL on a per PA basis after adjusting for home park.
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| 99 | blue hen
ID: 16322314
Tue, Nov 27, 2007, 13:11
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Who were the top 7? Any shortstops or 2Bs in there? I bet Chipper and Wright are both there.
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| 100 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 10:16
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Win the Cy Young and have a kitten named after you.
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| 101 | blue hen
ID: 16322314
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 10:19
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Hmm. I wonder how you happened to find that site.
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| 102 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 15023167
Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 14:50
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It's in my feed reader. I'm man enough to say it. :)
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