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0 Subject: 2008 Non-Yankees Offseason Thread

Posted by: J
- Leader [049346417] Mon, Oct 29, 2007, 16:26

A guy from work just mentioned that the Braves traded Renteria to the Tigers for 2 minor leaguers.

Just found it

The Tigers have acquired SS Edgar Renteria from the Braves in exchange for RHP Jair Jurrjens and OF Gorkys Hernandez.


Renteria has one year and $9 million left on his current contract, which also contains a club option for 2009.


I feel like I've heard of Jurrjens but don't know why? Strange move by the Braves. I know they wanna clear payroll to get a CF and SPs but just dumping Renteria???
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162barilko6
      ID: 1949205
      Thu, Dec 06, 2007, 15:13
I tend to think this is actually a good deal for the Dodgers. They are only committed for two years, so its not like they have a big anchor tied to their future.

Sure its for $18 mil per year, but if they have the money, great. Its a short term deal on a guy who will give you .260 avg, 30 HR's, 110 RBI's, and cover a lot of the space in a big outfield at Chavez.
163Mikel
      ID: 3311111119
      Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 20:48
Wow. Per ESPN's "Blog":

All times ET 6:20 p.m., from Peter Gammons
• The Tigers have won the Miguel Cabrera sweepstakes. Detroit acquired Cabrera and Dontrelle Willis for six players -- Cameron Maybin, Andrew Miller, catcher Mike Rabelo and three minor league prospects.


Woa Woa Woa...when did this happen? Don't go throwing these kind of rumors around from a weak source like that "Peter Gammons" fellow, he doesn't even write for a newspaper.


Very pleased with the move. I'm a big Andrew Miller Fan and am sad to see him go but you have to love adding Cabrera and I'm not so sure Jason Grilli would have gotten the deal done.

I can see Cabrera getting a nice long term deal from the Tigers and being a superstar here for the next ten. Kenny, Pudge, and Mags are coming off the books over the next couple years and locking up the young talent (Miggy, JV, Curtis, Bondo, a healthy Joel Zumaya (is there such a thing) etc) will be the Tiger's next priority.

Willis adds another quality left throwing armed starter to an already strong starting rotation. Although he had a career high in Earned Runs Averaged per 9 innings pitched, an excited Dontrelle Willis will flourish in the expansive confines of Comerica Park. Not to mention the strong offensive support.

Leyland likes to mix and match starting pitchers either by going Left, Right, Left, Right, Left, or going with a power arm followed by a soft tosser. Adding Willis gives Leyland another toy to play with in his rotation.

Tigers Weakness

Yep, you know it, I know it, your grandma knows it (she reads the paper, she really does know). The Tigers weakness now is the BP. Zumaya going down, takes the hardest throwing arm in the majors off the diamond for at least half the year and the off-season signing of Todd Jones assures the Tigers of having a closer with an ERA close to 5.

other than that, I'm thrilled.

Go Tigs!
164Punk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Tue, Dec 11, 2007, 23:23
It's going to be a big crap shoot of who's going to end up in the pen to start the year. So many people with chances and only a few spots locked down.
165barilko6
      ID: 491137128
      Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 09:44
Some More Signings:

Fukudome signs with the Cubs
Kuroda signs with the Dodgers
Iguchi signs with the Padres.

Its an all Japanese signing day!
166Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 11:00
re 162

barilko, he was making like $12-13M last year and was horrid. The Braves refused to even talk to him for a new contract. So then he gets this huge raise? Was he on the juice in the past?
167barilko6
      ID: 491137128
      Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 11:21
I don't know...I guess we will see.

I just think that a two year deal isn't too much of a committment for a guy like Jones. The Dodgers were very good getting men on base last year, but struggled bringing them in to score.

Andruw admittedly had a bad year last year, but if he were to have signed before the year started, I think he would have commanded the same amount of money per year, but for 5 or 6 years.

If the Dodgers are wrong, they are wealthy enough to endure a short two year contract.

That being said, are the Brewers wealthy enough to spend $10 million on a suspect Eric Gagne?
168Great One
      Sustainer
      ID: 053272014
      Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 13:06
According to the Baltimore Sun, the Astros have acquired Miguel Tejada from the Orioles for LHP Troy Patton, OF Luke Scott, RHP Matt Albers, RHP Dennis Sarfate and 3B Michael Costanzo.
169J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 13:07
According to the Baltimore Sun, SS Miguel Tejada has been traded to the Astros for OF Luke Scott, RHP Matt Albers, Troy Patton and Dennis Sarfate, and 3B Michael Costanzo.

170J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 13:07
damn link took me too long :)
171Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 17:01
The hapless, clueless, ridiculous San Francisco Giants sign CF Aaron Rowand to a 5-year, $60M deal.
172Nerfherders
      ID: 501035289
      Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 19:47
The saddest part is that Rowand is the best hitter on that club now.
173Rendle
      Donor
      ID: 014815714
      Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 20:39
ALOT of talk on the radio today about the Indians going after Danny Haren. Basically, they would give up their best minor league prospect, Adam Miller, and Cliff Lee, Barfield, Gutierrez as well as other prospects would be available(Ben Francisco, Trevor Crowe).

I'd love it to happen but don't want to get too excited after the Jason Bay talks never turned into anything. The Indians might force something after the Detroit trade though. A front three of CC, Haren, and Carmona would be sick.
174Mattinglyinthehall
      Leader
      ID: 01629107
      Wed, Dec 12, 2007, 23:31
Rowand is a huge bargain for SF considering what Torii Hunter got.
175holt
      ID: 129202215
      Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 07:42
hapless, clueless, ridiculous...

That's starting to sound like a good description of the Cardinals. On their list of things to do in 2008, winning is #72, right below sell more pretzels.
176barilko6
      ID: 491137128
      Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 12:24
Reports on Toronto sports radio is that the Jays are close to signing David Eckstein.

That's too bad, I think almost everyone here fell in love with what Johnny Mac could do with the glove and were ok with having him as our starting SS in 2008.
177Rendle
      Donor
      ID: 014815714
      Thu, Dec 13, 2007, 13:21
Johnny Mac is awesome. Robbie Alomar said he was the best shortstop he's ever played with. He said that when he was in Cleveland starting with Omar Vizquel.
178Rendle
      Donor
      ID: 014815714
      Fri, Dec 14, 2007, 18:26
Haren to the Diamondbacks

Valverde to the Astros

LAME
179barilko6
      ID: 6112246
      Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 09:10
I don't totally understand the Valverde trade. If you are going to go out and trade away a package for Danny Haren, shouldn't you at least have a closer lined up for your championship run?
180barilko6
      ID: 6112246
      Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 09:16
Also the San Diego Padres jus acquired Jim Edmonds from St. Louis for pretty much nothing.
181Rendle
      Donor
      ID: 014815714
      Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 09:45
Someone on ESPN said it was basically part of the trade because they were clearing salary to afford Haren since the prospects leaving were making very little.

Who's the favorite to close now? Lyon?
182Great One
      ID: 201155199
      Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 10:33
I'd expect Qualls to get a shot at closing.
183holt
      ID: 129202215
      Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 11:37
I believe Valverde has always been considered a high injury risk because of his throwing motion.

I'd say good move for the Cards in dumping Edmonds (thnx for the great seasons Jimmy) except that I'm not totally convinced that the Cards plan to spend the money that they saved. Could be slash and burn ala Florida Marlins. How can a team with such great fan support put out such little effort in fielding a winning team? Pretty sure I hate current ownership.
184barilko6
      ID: 271072614
      Sat, Dec 15, 2007, 13:50
I really don't think its a bad thing to move Valverde while his value is high, but would hope they have a plan for the closer spot.

Qualls, Lyon, and Cruz all have a shot, but I would think they would want a proven commodity.
185clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Fri, Dec 21, 2007, 18:40
Josh Hamilton to Texas for Edinson Volquez and another minor league arm. If it weren't for Texas desperate need for arms, I'd say it was a great deal for both sides. Considering this clears the way for Jay Bruce this spring, I'd have to say it's a definite win for the Reds.
186blue hen
      ID: 16322314
      Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 16:15
Volquez was once highly regarded, but I'm pretty sure Hamilton has passed him.
187ChicagoTRS
      ID: 4110481415
      Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 16:37
Hamilton could be a beast in Texas if he stays healthy...of course Cinci was also a nice place to be a hitter.
188clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 18:18
Rumblings I'm hearing are that Cincy's a little leery of Josh's ability to stay healthy (considering the hopefully always former addictions), and that with Narron and his brother no longer with the organization they're also understandably concerned that the "father figures" who helped him to adjust comfortably being absent could lead to less resistance to temptations and urges.

I certainly hope both worries are unfounded...I was living in Raleigh, NC when he was drafted #1 out of Athens Drive HS, and honestly thought his return was arguably the best story in baseball last season.
189ChicagoTRS
      ID: 344311322
      Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 19:20
Mark Prior signs with San Diego...1 year...1 million...talk about a shooting star...his career was over as soon as it started.
190GoatLocker
      Leader
      ID: 060151121
      Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 21:09
Here is the rest of the Prior story.
San Diego is hoping bringing him home might help him out.

Buster Olney, of ESPN The Magazine, reports the San Diego Padres signed free-agent SP Mark Prior (Cubs) to a one-year deal with a $1 million base salary. The contract contains incentives that could make the value of the deal over $3 million.

Cliff
191J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Wed, Dec 26, 2007, 21:50
Wow, so $4mil is the max he will get paid, definitely worth the risk!
192blue hen
      ID: 16322314
      Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 14:22
White Sox have acquired Nick Swisher for Gio Gonzalez and two others.
193Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 14:32
Nice move by Chicago. Fire sale in Oakland! Fire sale in Oakland!

So where is Rich Harden going? Actually, I'm sure Beane's plan is to let him increase his value by pitching and being healthy (no small feat for him, sadly) and dealing him during the year.

A's also got OF Ryan Sweeney, kind of a tweener outfielder whose power has yet to really develop.
194Kyle
      Donor
      ID: 052753312
      Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 15:54
I'm a Sox fan and I don't like this deal at all.

1. We didn't sign Rowand. So we traded for a poor man's Rowand.
2. We traded our #5 pitcher for him. Ryan Sweeney was also quite good. Gio Gonzalez on the other hand was our top prospect.

I would rather have thrown some cash at Rowand and kept our 2 prospects. It's not like the Sox don't have the cash to toss around. Do it Kenny!
195blue hen
      ID: 16322314
      Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 16:22
I think Swisher and Rowand are pretty comparable, although they have different skill sets. My team, by the way, traded Gio Gonzalez for Freddy Garcia and could now use Swisher (and Eric Chavez, who the A's would probably have thrown in).
196Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 16:46
Well, the more I've looked at it I do like it from Oakland's perspective. I didn't know De Los Santos was CHW's #2 pitching prospect, so that's nice.

But, keep in mind Swisher is one year removed from a 35 HR, 95 RBI, 106 run season and only just turned 27 years old. He has outstanding plate discipline and .375+ OBP's should be standard for him going forward. He's signed for 5 more years for only $26.75 million, so at under $5.5 million for 'prime' years, he has an attractive contract too. IMO, with the protection in that lineup and in HR-friendly US Cellular Field, a 30 HR season seems more than reasonable. I think his HR decline in 2007 was at least partially attributable to the lack of protection in the drab Oakland lineup.

Sweeney is young and talented, but is he really anything more than a Randy Winn type of outfielder at best? A little pop mixed in with some speed and defense? Nothing in his minor league resume suggests stardom although over these last 2 years scouts have always liked him.
197clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 18:00
The question is, does this mean Blanton is next and Gonzalez goes into the rotation?
198beebop
      ID: 1302231
      Thu, Jan 03, 2008, 19:01
In other news, Matt Clement signs with the Cardinals.
199Khahan
      ID: 486552412
      Sat, Jan 12, 2008, 20:40
Cardinals make another move, trading Rolen to Toronto for Troy Glaus.

Story on espn here.

Guess I shoudl update the points
200blue hen
      ID: 16322314
      Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 16:24
Yankees sign Morgan Ensberg. I heard they're planning to flip him for Pedro Feliz.
201blue hen
      ID: 16322314
      Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 16:57
And Mariners sign Brad Wilkerson
202Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 17:08
A coworker reminded me that Shelly Duncan was hospitalized with a blood clot last year. Wonder if the Ensberg signing might be related at all to any lingering concern over that.
203Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Sun, Feb 10, 2008, 12:00
I love the deal Baltimore got for Bedard.
204blue hen
      ID: 16322314
      Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 16:43
Post 202: Please keep Yankees chatter out of this thread.

Phillies sign Kris Benson
205Mattinglyinthehall
      ID: 454491514
      Wed, Feb 13, 2008, 16:46
Please accept my apologies. Don't know what ever could have prompted me to post on that topic here.
206J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 10:39
When I saw the word "apologies" I just automatically assumed you were apologizing that the Philthies had to sink to signing Anna Benson's husband!
207blue hen
      ID: 16322314
      Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 10:51
Well wait a minute. The alternatives are Adam Eaton and Chad Durbin. I'd rather have Mark Eaton. Or the other Mark Eaton.
208clv
      Sustainer
      ID: 5911351713
      Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 13:37
Good Morning!
209blue hen
      ID: 16322314
      Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 14:13
AWESOME. We'll have to change the name of this thread.
210Seward Norse
      ID: 297412913
      Thu, Feb 14, 2008, 15:23
Great day!

211Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Mon, Feb 18, 2008, 17:03
Re: [82]

Not to be outdone, the Marlins plan on changing their name to the Miami Marlins once their new ballpark plans are ratified.
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