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Subject: Mets acquire Santana
Posted by: Tree
- [3533298] Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 16:26
as reported by metsblog.com and USA Today...
the deal looks like it's for 4 prospects: Carlos Gomez, Phil Humber, Deolis Guerra and Kevin Mulvey.
somehow, the Mets held on to Fernando Martinez. |
| 1 | JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 16:27
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Mets have to be favorite in NL now, if they already were not
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| 2 | Khahan
ID: 561119313
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 16:39
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So what will the Santana deal be for this trade to be completed? 6 years and $150mil?
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| 3 | blue hen
ID: 16322314
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 16:42
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No way. The Phillies are better.
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| 4 | MBT
ID: 17042910
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 16:43
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I've checked MLB.com, ESPN and Yahoo sports and none of them are reporting the story yet. The Mets official website is reporting they've submitted their final offer, but it's not reporting that a deal has been agreed upon. Strange that USA Today would run with this story, but no other news source appears to be covering the story.
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| 5 | Tree
ID: 3533298
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 16:50
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CNNSI reporting it...
ESPN reporting it...
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| 6 | biliruben
ID: 5610442715
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 16:54
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So this is good for Santana owners, right? More run support and a decent pitcher's park?
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| 7 | MBT
ID: 17042910
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 16:57
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Good to see other sources reporting the same thing. The ESPN story actually posted 2 minutes after I did!
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| 8 | MBT
ID: 17042910
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 16:58
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As a Santana owner in an auction league it really makes me consider keeping him even at a slightly inflated price.
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| 9 | J
Leader
ID: 049346417
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 17:03
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Well, wikipedia has it, so it must be true now!
Sooooooo glad this is over. Well, they still have 48-72 hours to work out just how rich santana is about to become...
Any idea if Citi-field will be a pitchers park too?
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| 10 | biliruben
ID: 5610442715
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 17:08
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Good question, J.
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| 11 | BigBobE
ID: 531131214
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 17:12
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Pitcher Friendly: Distinctive asymmetrical outfield walls, along with generous dimensions (LF - 335'; LC - 379'; CF - 408'; RC - 383'; RF - 330') make for a traditional pitcher's park.
http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/nym/ballpark/citifield_overview.jsp
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| 12 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 17:18
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I agree with blue hen. They just signed Pedro Feliz.
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| 13 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 17:20
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Dimensions are not the only important factor. The structure of the park (open outfield or more closed in?), location of winds, humidity in the area, etc. can all be a factor.
For example, outside of the "death valley" in RC, people did not expect Pac Bell Park to be quite as pitcher friendly as it has turned out to be.
Still, those are reasonably favorable dimensions.
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| 14 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 17:23
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I'm happy about this. I didn't want to see him land in Boston and I didn't want to see the Yankees trade Hughes and Cabrera, take on all that extra salary and go with Damon at CF. Should also be a great opportunity for Santana to thrive and I'm looking foward to getting to watch him pitch.
But I have no idea why the Twins would accept that hodgepodge over the Yankees' and Red Sox' offers. Maybe Omar learned a thing or two from watching the Yankees overhype their prospects. Oh well, Minnesota's loss. Congrats to the Mets.
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| 15 | wiggs
Sustainer
ID: 04991311
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 17:31
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now i just need to hope he gets dinged and has to rehab in Binghamton.
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| 16 | clv
Sustainer
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Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 18:41
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"But I have no idea why the Twins would accept that hodgepodge over the Yankees' and Red Sox' offers. Maybe Omar learned a thing or two from watching the Yankees overhype their prospects. Oh well, Minnesota's loss. Congrats to the Mets."
Word I was hearing was that the best player offered in the Sox' final package was Lester (and required the Twins to take Crisp), and that the Yankees pulled Hughes back. While I agree that it's relative "junk" in return, I'd expect the Twins are gambling that two of Mulvey, Humber, Guerra turn out to be at least #3s and that they got the best/cheapest CF out of the offers. Looks like someone in Tampa finally listened to the voice of reason that Cashman is. Personally, I never thought the Sox would include Ellsbury, but that's only supposition on my part.
Somebody in Minnesota needs to go take a class from Beane/Schuerholz - get the best offer earliest, play one hand of poker, and get the *ell out! Twins waited waaaaay too long and had their bluff called.
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| 17 | Bond, James Bond
ID: 40492211
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 19:10
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I, for one, am glad to see the Twins use a little common sense and send Santana to the National League. Why would they want to face him any number of times a year? If you're gonna get rid of a guy like him, get him away from your division and your league.
I don't know too much of the players involved but I think Gomez is a highly touted five-tool player and Humber was the #3 pick in the draft just a few years ago. Twins could have done a whole lot worse.
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| 18 | biliruben
ID: 5610442715
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 19:18
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Yeah, maybe Gomez will get an extended shot at a full-time gig. I have both him (as a prospect) and Santana. Hopefully this trade helps me twice.
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| 19 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 19:55
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The difference in the offers was huge. The Twins' liklihood of crossing Santana's path with the Yankees or Sox more than once a year is not very high. The dropoff from their offers to that of the Mets is huge IMO.
I've suffered Mets fans yammering on about Gomez for 2 years now like he will be the next Willie Mays. He's very fast and has a great arm. But he's never cracked .290 at any level in his 4 minor league seasons, with a .278 miinor league career average. He doesn't walk and this supposed 5 tool player has averaged about 24 doubles and 7 home runs per 500 at bats in that time. Career minor league OPS is .635. He's tall (B-R lists him as 6'2" but he looks taller than that to me) and very lanky so I guess the assumption is that he'll grow into his frame and develop respectable power. Why this is accepted as a foregone conclusion is beyond me.
As a comparison, Shin-Soo Choo's minor league stats are similar but easily better.
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| 20 | Mike D
Leader
ID: 041831612
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 19:56
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Good call wiggs. Binghamton plays my Harrisburg Senators.
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| 21 | biliruben
ID: 5610442715
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 20:03
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Yeah - Gomez is a gamble. His speed should fit in nicely in center in Minn, however.
With these toolsy guys you hope you get the 1 in 10 that develop into a torii hunter, or the 1 in 100 that develop into a Vlad. But I don't think anyone is thinking he's a risk-free proposition.
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| 22 | Mattinglyinthehall
Leader
ID: 01629107
Tue, Jan 29, 2008, 20:19
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Well, Alex Rios worked out. Tho his minor league stats were notably better than Gomez'. I know minors stats aren't a complete indicator but the longer talent takes to develop, the less likely it will happen at all.
He looks like someone who can be a nice player but not the perennial all star type.
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| 23 | clv
Sustainer
ID: 5911351713
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 15:47
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WOW! If this is true, then the Yankees blew it...
According to the Bergen Record's Bob Klapisch, the Twins came back to the Yankees with an offer of Johan Santana for Melky Cabrera, Ian Kennedy and a prospect on Monday, only to be turned down.
If true, the Yankees declined the chance to acquire Santana without giving up Phil Hughes or Joba Chamberlain. Klapisch also believes the Red Sox had both Jacoby Ellsbury and Jon Lester off the table by the time the Twins chose to accept the Mets' offer.
Source: Bergen Record
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| 24 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 15:48
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I read that today, too. I'm glad they didn't do it.
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| 25 | JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 15:56
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your glad they didn't get the best pitcher in baseball?
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| 26 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 16:09
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Not for the cost, no.
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| 27 | JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 16:19
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I think I get it...
Yankees will get him when he is 38 not 28 for 30 mill a year and he will go 12-11 with a 4.76 ERA. Sound about right MITH?
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| 28 | blue hen
ID: 16322314
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 16:23
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Word is the Phillies are jumping on the Barry Bonds bandwagon. I don't think it'll happen and I'd have to decide if I liked Barry or Brett Myers less, but...
1. Jimmy Rollins
2. Chase Utley
3. Barry Bonds (LF)
4. Ryan Howard
5. Pat Burrell (RF)
6. Shane Victorino
7. Pedro Feliz
8. Carlos Ruiz
Not too shabby. How many walks does Barry get?
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| 29 | JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 16:25
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0, it ain't happening
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| 30 | barilko6
ID: 491137128
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 16:26
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Probably not as many as he did with San Fran now thatRyan Howard is hitting behind him.
Would be an interesting spot for Barry to end up, if he does play this season.
Would Phillies fans embrace him, or give him the Santa Claus treatment?
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| 31 | Khahan
ID: 561119313
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 16:36
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I would love to see Bonds in Philadelphia. I live near there and they are the team I get to see most often. Guess if I root for an NL team, its Philadelphia.
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| 32 | Mattinglyinthehall
ID: 454491514
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 17:08
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Yankees will get him when he is 38 not 28 for 30 mill a year and he will go 12-11 with a 4.76 ERA. Sound about right MITH?
Funny, but no. I'm happy they didn't do it because it signifies a real change from the strategy of bloating the payroll for established stars and treating farm products like they are disposable.
After 2008 the Yankees will have something like $65mil coming off the payroll with the departures of Giambi, Pettitte, Abreau, Mussina, Pavano and Farnsworth. And most of that production will be replaced by developing young players who already have some major league experience. The way this year looks, pitchers 1 thru 4 in the rotation will be Yankee farm products.
You heard it here first - The Mets payroll will be within $20mil of the Yankees by opening day 2009.
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| 33 | blue hen
ID: 16322314
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 17:16
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I have to admit, the Yankees have come a long way since the days of Scott Kamieniecki, Wade Taylor and Jeff Johnson.
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| 34 | Seattle Zen
ID: 49112418
Wed, Jan 30, 2008, 19:04
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The Twins have a long history of trading a player for prospects that turn into great players and as a Twins fan, I really hope this will be another example. This trade reminded me when we shipped the Mets Frank Viola. We got Rick Aguilera and Kevin Tapini out of that deal.
As a Johan Santana fan, I'm glad he's a Met and not a Yankee and I wish him luck. I think it's great that he gets to spend the season pitching with Pedro Martinez, two of the greatest pitchers I've ever seen.
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| 35 | JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 01:48
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MITH, that's all I wanted to hear.... just was testing you as I believe it was the right move not getting him also. I think the Yanks will be "back" very soon and have realized that you cannot really buy a championship in baseball. Good for Yankee fans, bad for everyone else.
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| 36 | mrbig
ID: 4891838
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 11:02
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I hadn't heard about the Barry in Philly possibility. That would certainly be one way to respond to the Santana acquisition!
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| 37 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 11:52
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Re: #32 and 35
What pleased me most in the rhetoric coming out of the Santana story was that it was both Hal Steinbrenner and Brian Cashman convincing big brother Hank Steinbrenner that continued pursuit of Santana was not worth it given the price in players and payroll. If Hank doesn't want to listen to Cashman, maybe he'll listen to his brother.
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| 38 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 12:00
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Problem with this deal is that the Mets have no leverage. They pretty much have to pay him the 24 or 25M he wants. on top of this year's salary.
From what I've read, only the A's made sense for Bonds (but at a huge discount) but Beane came out recently saying something like it wasn't a match. I think Clemens and Bonds are done whether they like it or not. I think both--esp. Bonds--could be a decent part time player (Bonds as a DH), but it would be more trouble than it's worth from a PR standpoint and taking away from the players/team.
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| 39 | JTSERB
ID: 481020120
Thu, Jan 31, 2008, 17:13
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I wish the White Sox would get Bonds. Ship Konerko to LA for Ervin Santana and Chone Figgins. Stick Thome at 1st base.
1. Figgins
2. Cabrerra
3. Bonds
4. Thome
5. Dye
6. Swisher
7. Crede
8. A.J.
9. Quintin/Fields
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| 40 | VP
ID: 59151414
Mon, Feb 04, 2008, 15:56
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Spoken like a true Sox fan...
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