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Subject: Free Shelley Duncan! Posted by: Boxman - [571114225] Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 06:16 I just saw on the news that Duncan, Cabrera, and Gomes are getting suspended for the high slide/brew ha ha incident the other day. What the hell is going on in baseball nowadays? A 3 game suspension for something like this in a preseason game? I am convinced that Ty Cobb and other players from earlier eras wouldn't be able to play 2 consecutive games in today's environment without being suspended. | |||||||
| 1 | Tree ID: 511251614 Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 09:53 |
one of the players on either the yankees or the devil rays commented that that was exactly why Duncan shouldn't have gone in the way he did - ESPECIALLY IN A PRE-SEASON GAME. the difference now is that players are multi-million dollar investments. never mind the fact that Ty Cobb would have been suspended regularly in today's baseball for a multitude of reasons, many of them having nothing to do with his harder style of play. | ||||||
| 2 | Perm Dude ID: 22253156 Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 10:34 |
exactly. Duncan is getting suspended now because it hapened in spring training, and was deliberate. | ||||||
| 3 | Mattinglyinthehall ID: 37838313 Sat, Mar 15, 2008, 10:40 |
I don't take issue with suspensions for fighting. The escalations that led to the brawl probably could have been stemmed by Girardi on the day Cerevelli's wrist was broken. Either you play hard in spring or you don't. If Johnson was wrong to bowl over Cerevelli, then Cerevelli was wrong to first block the plate. Cerevelli's made his choice first, Johnson instinctively did what he's been trained his whole career to do. I understand the manager's obligation to back up his players (perhaps especially a fellow catcher) but let's face it, if Girardi hadn't blamed the Rays' player for Cerevelli's injury, Duncan wouldn't have likely made any comments regarding whether spring games should be played hard. Without Girardi's and Duncan's comments, Heath Phillips' hitting Longoria (he grazed his jersey with two men on base) is a nonissue. And Duncan either doesn't slide into second with his spikes up or if he does, Gomes probably doesn't charge in from the outfield and attack him. | ||||||
| 4 | Great One ID: 2241519 Sun, Mar 16, 2008, 10:24 |
I prefer a more accurate picture with his leg as high as it actually went. This guy think's he is Bruce Lee or something and is a complete jackass. He's the same clown that signed the ball for the kid below. Real classy guy.  | ||||||
| 5 | Mattinglyinthehall Leader ID: 01629107 Sun, Mar 16, 2008, 10:35 |
That photo isn't showing you where Duncan's foot slid in. His leg kicks up from the motion of stopping his slide. Decide for yourself how dirty the slide is: Personally, I don't know. There's apparently two schools of thought on whether it's OK to slide in with your spikes up and there's apparently also two schools of thought on whether it's OK to play hard in spring games. | ||||||
| 6 | beastiemiked ID: 36428317 Sun, Mar 16, 2008, 21:19 | The guy is an idiot for denying it. | ||||||
| 7 | Boxman ID: 571114225 Sun, Mar 16, 2008, 22:24 |
Great One: This guy think's he is Bruce Lee or something and is a complete jackass. He's the same clown that signed the ball for the kid below. Real classy guy. All too often in sports I observe in games players of opposing teams helping each other up when one player is on the ground or a similar situation and acting like a millionaire's club going thru the motions getting an outrageous salary for playing a game. Now I do not advocate a Thunderdome style atmosphere for baseball. Yet these teams shouldn't like each other. They shouldn't be skipping thru the park singing We Are The World. Its sports, a competition to see who is better. You're going to take issue with a player writing that on a kid's notebook? First I ask what is a BoSox fan doing asking for a Yankee players autograph in the first place? This is the baseball equivalent of Israel and Palestine we are talking about, and people love it whether they admit it or not. Be honest, do you really turn away from the television when the BoSox play the Yanks or any other great rivalry in sports or do you watch because you know there is actually skin in the game? What Duncan did was not dirty, it was hard play. There is a difference. Much like when there is a retributional plunking in a players back or rear end versus headhunting, there is a difference. | ||||||
| 8 | Great One ID: 2241519 Sun, Mar 16, 2008, 22:44 |
I'm pretty sure if I was a kid and met a professional athlete, I would ask for his autograph regardless of what team he played for. He should of either turned the kid down or written something neutral, no reason for him to be a dick to a 7 year old. | ||||||
| 9 | Mattinglyinthehall Leader ID: 01629107 Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 07:21 |
One thing about sports rivalries like this is that people always assume the worst from the oter side. Every Red Sox fan I've heard on that autograph is convinced that Duncan's intent was malicious, to ruin a little kid's basebal experience. I think it more likely the intent from the rookie Duncan was misguided but playful and if so, pretty funny but in very poor taste. You don't know that Duncan and the kid or Duncan and the kid's dad weren't playfully jawing at each other when Duncan signed the auto. Regarding the slide, going in spikes up can tear up a fielder's knee. It's extremely difficult for the fielder to protect himself and still make a play. Duncan obviously didn't intend to hurt Iwamura, otherwise he would have kicked out as he was sliding. Looking at where that foot initially made contact, he probably would have ruined Iwamura's season and possibly his career on that play if he was trying to hurt him. | ||||||
| 10 | KrazyKoalaBears ID: 15023167 Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 09:19 |
[7], Now I do not advocate a Thunderdome style atmosphere for baseball. Yet these teams shouldn't like each other. They shouldn't be skipping thru the park singing We Are The World. Its sports, a competition to see who is better. Heaven forbid we have players who actually respect each other as competitors. Even as an Auburn fan who hates all Alabama sports teams (as in, I hate to see them win, not that I would drive through a water puddle to get them wet as they were changing their flat tire), I'm delighted to see the competitors show each other the respect and common decency they deserve. You sound like Kellen Winslow and his, "This is war!" rant and, to me, that's a point of view that is behind everything that's wrong with sports. It creates situations where parents fight in the stands at their kid's Little League games because, after all, it's war. The idea is to HATE the other team and players to the point that they're not even human, right? We, supposedly, teach our kids that it's about the spirit of competition. We, supposedly, teach our kids that it's okay to give everything you have and leave it all on the field and let the result be the result. We, supposedly, teach our kids that at the end of the day, it's okay to have pizza and soda with the competition because, after all, it's just a game and not life and death. And then we expect Major Leaguers to actually hate each other to the point that they can't even be civil with one another. Great message we're sending, isn't it? [8], I'm pretty sure if I was a kid and met a professional athlete, I would ask for his autograph regardless of what team he played for. And I did the same thing hundreds of times during each Spring Training while I was a kid living in St. Petersburg, FL. It was a dream to see all those big name players, regardless of what team they played for. To me, if they had a baseball card, they were a big deal and that's all that mattered. [9], One thing about sports rivalries like this is that people always assume the worst from the oter side. And another thing about sports rivalries is that people always assume the best from their side. I know I'm guilty of it. The point is that we'll likely never know what the true intent of the signature was. But, from a third party view (I pretty much equally dislike the Yankees and BoSox as an A's fan), even if it was bad decision making, it comes across as being a total jerk on Duncan's part. As we all know, in life appearances are everything. | ||||||
| 11 | Mattinglyinthehall Leader ID: 01629107 Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 09:24 | No argument with your last paragraph, KKB. | ||||||
| 12 | Great One ID: 1122611 Mon, Mar 17, 2008, 10:19 | You are absolutely right, it could have just been in jest since we don't know the whole story. All we have is second hand info. | ||||||
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