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Subject: Home Run Derby 2008 - Pick the Winner (and Losers) Posted by: ¤ Mario LeMoose ¤ - [306331216] Sun, Jul 13, 2008, 12:42 Home Run Derby Rules • An out is registered when a player swings at a pitch and does not hit a home run. • A ball hit over the fence must be fair to count as a home run. Opening Round • Each player gets 10 outs to hit as many home runs as possible. • The four players with the most home runs hit in the Opening Round advance to the Semi-Final Round. Semi-Final Round • Home run totals from the first round will carry over to the second round. • Each player gets 10 outs to hit as many home runs as possible per at bat. • The two players with the most home runs in the Semi-Final Round advance to the Championship Round. Championship Round • Home runs from the first two rounds do not carry over to the Championship Round; Opening and Semi-Final Round totals are cleared from the board. • Each player gets 10 outs to hit as many home runs as possible. • The player who hits the most home runs in the Championship Round is declared the Home Run Derby champion. Participants William Lance Berkman, Astros, NL Ryan Joseph Braun, Brewers, NL Joshua Holt Hamilton, Rangers, AL Evan Michael Longoria, Rays, AL Grady Sizemore, Indians, AL Daniel Cooley Uggla, Marlins, NL Chase Cameron Utley, Phillies, NL Player still to be convinced to participate, AL Your challenge: A) Pick the two players who will hit the fewest home runs in the Opening Round (not necessarily one from each league). B) Pick the four players who will advance to the Semi-Final Round. C) Pick the two players who will advance to the Championship Round. D) Pick the winner (the player who hits the most home runs in the Championship Round). Entries close with the first pitch to the first participant in the Home Run Derby competition. | |||||||
| 1 | ¤ Mario LeMoose ¤ ID: 306331216 Sun, Jul 13, 2008, 12:59 |
Final Home Run Derby contestant: Justin Ernest Morneau, Twins, AL | ||||||
| 2 | judy Sustainer ID: 7771722 Sun, Jul 13, 2008, 12:59 |
Do we need a tie break in case some folks double up? Or, once someone posts, no one else can have those choices?? | ||||||
| 3 | Donkey Hunter ID: 33630819 Sun, Jul 13, 2008, 13:10 | Since you included all those middle names it is probably only fair to point out it will be Grady Sizmore III participating so noone confuses him with hsi dad or grandpa. | ||||||
| 4 | ¤ Mario LeMoose ¤ ID: 306331216 Sun, Jul 13, 2008, 13:11 |
Good suggestion ... thanks! First tie breaker: • Predict the total number of home runs hit in the championship round (closest to the actual total, whether over or under); if the championship round goes extra pitches, those home runs count toward the total. Second tie breaker (if necessary): • Predict the number of home runs hit in the championship round by the winner (closest to the actual total, whether over or under); if the championship round goes extra pitches, those home runs count toward the winner's total. | ||||||
| 5 | judy Sustainer ID: 7771722 Sun, Jul 13, 2008, 13:27 |
Entry #1: A) least: Braun, Longoria B) semis: Berkman, Hamilton, Sizemore, Utley C) finalists: Utley, Hamilton D) winner: Hamilton TB #1: 19 TB #2: 10 Multiple entries allowed??? | ||||||
| 6 | Skidazl Leader ID: 379312323 Sun, Jul 13, 2008, 14:26 |
A - Sizemore, Uggla B - Berkman, Braun, Utley, Hamilton C - Braun, Berkman D - Braun | ||||||
| 7 | Skidazl Leader ID: 379312323 Sun, Jul 13, 2008, 14:27 |
TB#1 - 23 TB#2 - 16 | ||||||
| 8 | Seattle Zen ID: 29241823 Sun, Jul 13, 2008, 15:14 |
A: Utley & Sizemore B: Berkman, Braun, Hamilton, Morneau C: Berkman & Morneau D: The Crushing Canuck outslugs Fat Elvis They both hit 12 homers in the final round Morneau hits 7 of them. | ||||||
| 9 | Kyle Donor ID: 052753312 Sun, Jul 13, 2008, 15:15 |
A. Uggla, Longoria B. Berkman, Utley, Hamilton, Morneau C. Berkman, Hamilton D. Berkman TB #1: 22 TB #2: 14 | ||||||
| 10 | astade ID: 1533770 Sun, Jul 13, 2008, 15:59 |
A- Longoria, Sizemore B- Berkman, Hamilton, Uggla, Braun C- Berkman, Uggla D- Uggla TB#1- 20 TB#2- 13 | ||||||
| 11 | blue hen ID: 0022514 Sun, Jul 13, 2008, 17:48 |
A: Utley and Longoria B: Berkman, Morneau, Hamilton, Uggla C: Berkman, Hamilton D: Berkman 1: 24 2: 6 | ||||||
| 12 | Seattle Zen ID: 29241823 Sun, Jul 13, 2008, 17:59 |
Blue Hen 1: 24 2: 6 LOL. | ||||||
| 13 | judy Sustainer ID: 7771722 Sun, Jul 13, 2008, 18:23 |
scoring? one point for each correct answer? Total possible = 9 | ||||||
| 14 | JeffG ID: 47112621 Sun, Jul 13, 2008, 23:11 |
MLB.com HR Derby Contest A: Braun, Morneau B: Berkman, Hamilton, Utley, Uggla C: Berkman, Hamilton D: Berkman TB1 - 15 TB2 - 7 | ||||||
| 15 | Da Bomb Donor ID: 487112814 Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 00:02 |
A)Longoria, Sizemore B)Hamilton, Berkman, Uggla, Utley C)Hamilton, Berkman D)Hamilton TB1: 9 TB2: 5 A lot of you guys picking some high tie-breakers. Since 2000, the most home runs hit in the championship round was 17. | ||||||
| 16 | judy Sustainer ID: 7771722 Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 08:31 |
But look at all the lefties drooling over the short and low R field fence... | ||||||
| 17 | Balrog Dude ID: 02856618 Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 09:47 |
A: Uggla, Longoria B: Hamilton, Berkman, Morneau, Utley C: Morneau, Hamilton D: Hamilton TB1: 13 TB2: 8 | ||||||
| 18 | wiggs Sustainer ID: 04991311 Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 09:58 |
a) Longoria, Morneau b) Hamilton, Braun, Berkman, Utley c) Hamilton Braun d)Hamilton TB1) 17 TB2) 10 | ||||||
| 19 | Khahan ID: 1065339 Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 10:07 |
a) Fewest: Sizemore, Longoria b) Semi Finals: Berkman, Hamilton, Utley, Braun c) Finals: Berkman, Braun d) Winner: Berkman tb #1) Total HRs in final round: 16 tb #2) total HRs of winner: 9 | ||||||
| 20 | Ltranbb ID: 556131411 Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 12:14 |
a) Mourneau, Sizemore b) Berkman, Braun, Hamilton, Utley, c) Berkman, Hamilton d) Berkman tb #1) 18 tb #2) 11 | ||||||
| 21 | astade ID: 1533770 Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 12:28 | posts 11 and 14 seem to have some 'interesting' tie-breakers... | ||||||
| 22 | Guru ID: 330592710 Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 13:04 |
A) Sizemore, Uggla B) Utley, Hamilton, Braun, Longoria C) Utley, Hamilton D) Utley TB1: 14 TB2: 8 | ||||||
| 23 | JeffG Leader ID: 01584348 Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 13:29 |
[21] posts 11 and 14 seem to have some 'interesting' tie-breakers... I assume that tie-breaker #2 is only used if tie-breaker #1 does not break the tie (like if we are both a few off, for example one 3 HR high, the other 3 HR low). Why not have a TB2 that is not directly related to TB1. Now I cannot speak for BH's wackier numbers. | ||||||
| 24 | ChicagoTRS ID: 4110481415 Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 14:31 |
A) Longoria, Braun B) Hamilton, Utley, Morneau, Berkman C) Hamilton, Morneau D) Hamilton tb #1) 19 tb #2) 12 | ||||||
| 25 | Peter N. ID: 586281418 Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 19:29 |
A) Sizemore, Utley B) Berkman, Hamilton, Longoria, Morneau C) Morneau, Hamilton D) Hamilton TB1) 10 TB2) 6 | ||||||
| 26 | ¤ Mario LeMoose ¤ ID: 256201317 Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 19:48 |
A) Longoria, Morneau B) Berkman, Sizemore, Uggla, Utley C) Berkman, Uggla D) Berkman  TB #1: 17 TB #2: 11 | ||||||
| 27 | Donkey Hunter ID: 33630819 Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 19:59 |
least: utley and berkman semis: longoria, hamilton, uggla, sizemore finals: longoria hamilton winner hamilton total 14 winner 9 | ||||||
| 28 | angryCHAIR ID: 561401810 Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 20:08 | When they boo'd Utley did he say" "Boos! F you!"??? | ||||||
| 29 | angryCHAIR ID: 561401810 Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 20:10 | He did! I just rewound my DVR! Funny! We'll see that on Youtube! | ||||||
| 30 | angryCHAIR ID: 561401810 Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 20:49 | Already on YOUTUBE--amazing! | ||||||
| 31 | ChicagoTRS ID: 344311322 Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 21:50 | Hamilton...sick crazy display...those were some bombs... | ||||||
| 32 | Kyle Donor ID: 052753312 Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 21:55 | I still like my Berkman pick. I say 16 or 17 should make it through. | ||||||
| 33 | holt ID: 341542412 Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 22:55 | I'm going to take a wild guess and say Hamilton wins this. | ||||||
| 34 | holt ID: 341542412 Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 23:00 | using dvr and just switched to live. can't believe who ended up winning this. I'm thinking maybe the rules need to be modified. | ||||||
| 35 | ¤ Mario LeMoose ¤ ID: 256201317 Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 23:04 |
Seattle Zen had the most correct picks and was the only one to predict Morneau as the champion: A) Utley (missed Longoria) B) Berkman, Braun, Hamilton, Morneau C) Morneau (missed Hamilton) D) Morneau No tiebreaker necessary. To give credit where it's due ... blue hen really has a flair for losers, having correctly picked Longoria and Utley in the opening round. | ||||||
| 36 | ChicagoTRS ID: 344311322 Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 23:22 | bleh...I liked my chances going into the finals with Hamilton and the high tiebreaker...but not to be...JH ran out of steam... | ||||||
| 37 | Seattle Zen ID: 266381422 Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 23:38 | Woo Hoo! | ||||||
| 38 | Perm Dude ID: 39632128 Mon, Jul 14, 2008, 23:59 | I think that intermission game of "point to win" or whatever they called it stopped Hamilton in his tracks. | ||||||
| 39 | KrazyKoalaBears ID: 45657107 Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 09:27 |
Personally, I think what should have been a contest that left fans with their jaws wide open ended up closing with a sputter because of MLB's lame rules. MLB wants to (supposedly) heighten the drama by having round after round after round of competition, but by the time the Finals roll around, these guys just don't have much left in the tank. Last year was just lame all the way around, but go look at the HR Derby History and find a Finals that was as "WOW!" to watch as Hamilton's First Round display last night. In fact, to get to Hamilton's First Round total of 28 HRs, you have to combine the total HRs of the last three HR Derby Finals (30). And since the format was changed for the 1996 HR Derby, we've only seen 12 out of 26 hitters get more than 3 HRs in the Finals. 3 HRs!!! That's ridiculous. Including all of the zeros and other horrible First Round totals of the HR Derby from 1996 to this year, the average HRs per player are: First Round: 5.10 Second Round: 6.33 Finals: 4.27 If we just look at players who made the Finals, the contrast is so noticeable as to be laughable: First Round: 8.27 Second Round: 8.12 Finals: 4.27 And now some stats that make sense. The average HR/player for the First and Second Round of players who participated in both rounds: First Round: 7.98 Second Round: 6.34 I wish MLB would wake up and realize that the fans what a show; a genuine show. Not some created-on-the-fly, scratched-down-on-a-wet-bar-napkin "contest." First, they need to get rid of the Finals. The players are just too tired to hit anymore, especially after hitting, waiting an hour, then hitting again, then waiting another hour, then hitting again. It just doesn't work. The stats show it. Second, they need to make it two rounds, with cumulative HRs winning the contest. Third, keep the current format of the First to Second Round transfer. Thus, the contest would start with eight players and then the worst four get cut and the remaining four battle for the title in reverse order of finish from the First Round. Last, if/when the last batter (the leader from the First Round) wins the contest, just move on to the last out and serve up Gold Balls. Easy to understand and it keeps the contest about who can actually hit HRs and not who can hit a few when he's exhausted. | ||||||
| 40 | weykool ID: 2842717 Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 11:32 |
What if the first round was 5 outs, the second round was 7 outs and the finals 10 outs. The players would be better rested and it wouldnt drag on for so long. 5 outs and a rested player should be enough to seperate the contenders from the pretenders. | ||||||
| 41 | ChicagoTRS ID: 4110481415 Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 12:14 |
I like the idea of two rounds...eliminate half the field in the first round...any ties let them move on...and in the second round add the total of both rounds for a winner. In the end though...who really cares? It is just an exhibition...what we really want to see is a performance like JH put on in the first round. On another note, as great as JH performance was I had a difficult time watching because of the blow hards at ESPN going on and on how JH is the best player to ever grace a baseball field. How no one else in the history of the game could make the sort of recovery he did after being out of the game for X years...how the ball hitting his bat sounds like no one else ever to play the game...how every HR JH hit was exactly on the sweet spot. Give it a break...when anyone hits a 500 foot bomb I am sure it sounds exactly the same. JH is the player of the moment because of his first half and the hitting display he put on last night but he has a long way to go before I will put him in the same company of the all-time great power hitters. I hate how everything needs to be overhyped... | ||||||
| 42 | blue hen ID: 30311814 Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 12:16 | But 5 outs means the best player might be eliminated in the first round. More outs equals better chance of better player advancing. | ||||||
| 43 | Perm Dude ID: 53622158 Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 12:21 | Morneau, in each round, was slow to get started, and a five out limit would probably have knocked him out early. | ||||||
| 44 | Kyle Donor ID: 052753312 Tue, Jul 15, 2008, 12:41 |
Congrats to Seattle Zen for picking so accurately. I agree ChicagoTRS, I had to watch the derby on mute because I couldn't stand listening to Chris Berman anymore. He's really lost his novelty quickly with me. I enjoyed seeing the shots, but the commentating was completely useless. And Rick Reilly was ultra-obnoxious last night before I muted it. What did he add to that telecast? Stick to writing. | ||||||
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