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Subject: 2008 Trade Deadline Chatter
Posted by: blue hen
- [30311814] Tue, Jul 22, 2008, 17:44
Randy Wolf to the Padres
Jon Rauch to the Diamondbacks |
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| 23 | JTSERB
Donor
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Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 09:18
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TRS assuming your a sox fan. He still has to be better than Swish at center right?
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| 24 | ChicagoTRS
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Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 12:08
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I am not sure about that...JR has not played CF since 2006. There have even been some questions about his RF defense this year.
Speculation is the Sox gave up Massett/Richar to get him so it seems like a good risk. Still an odd mix on the south side with Konerko/Thome/Griffey/Swisher all of them should probably be DHs...and Dye will be joining that group shortly.
Kenny Williams has wanted Griffey forever...Cellular should be a good park for Griffey...
BTW...I am a Cubs fan
but still follow and also root for the Sox.
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| 25 | Kyle
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Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 12:37
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Another Sox fan here. Here's my take:
I liked Richar for second, until Alexei came. Now Richar will never see the light of day playing behind Phillips. Masset wasn't terrible, but he should probably been in AAA. Now Clayton Richard can stay in the bigs when Jose gets back, and maybe he can continue to start and we'll put Jose in long relief.
I see the Sox Lineup like this now
1. SS- Cabrera
2. C- AJ
3. LF- Quentin
4. RF- Dye
5. DH- Thome
6. 3B- Fields/Crede
7. CF- Griffey (1B- Konerko vs. LHP)
8. 1B- Swish (CF- Swish vs. LHP
9. 2B- Alexei
I see a platoon of Griffey and Konerko, with Swisher playing either 1st (with Griffey) or CF (with Konerko). I think a platoon will be good for Griffey, since he can't hit lefties anymore. Konerko isn't good against any type of pitcher, so who knows what this does for him. Swish at first is fine, and it's an upgrade in Center, I guess. Swisher shouldn't be in center and the only reason he's there is because he "hustles".
This deal sucks for Dewayne Wise, who I thought had the potential to become the starter in CF/leadoff man, and move Swish to first and get rid of Konerko. Oh well let's hope he can come up next year and beat out Swish, Griffey, and Brian Anderson next year.
FTR: I can't stand Swisher, haven't been a fan of Konerko for the past 2 years (The "He starts slow" excuse is getting old) and think we should have been shopping those 2 around for a lefty 1B. I really liked Dwayne Wise's minor league stats, and in the bigs he's been pretty good. He and Brian Anderson are a decent option for a platoon if we could have gotten a lefty 1B. James Loney for Swisher, Konerko, and our entire minor league system? Yes please. We'll throw in Fields when Crede gets healthy.
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| 26 | Chuck
ID: 1752241
Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 12:49
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Arthur Rhodes to the Marlins
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| 27 | barilko6
ID: 52612922
Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 15:16
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A source told MLB.com that the Rays will get Jason Bay from the Pirates for Reid Brignac and Jeff Niemann.
It's a very good trade for the Rays if true. Brignac is one of the game's top infield prospects, but the Rays were able avoid surrendering a second top-notch talent for a player they'd have under control at a very modest price through the end of 2009. If the Pirates trade Bay without getting an outfielder, they could call up Nyjer Morgan to help out. Andrew McCutchen is another possibility, but there's little reason to think he's ready. Jul. 31 - 3:09 pm et
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| 28 | Razor
ID: 545172413
Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 15:20
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Dodgers are reportedly involved in Manny talks. Dealing Ethier I could live with. If they deal Kemp, Colletti should be fired on the spot. And by fired, I mean set on fire.
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| 29 | barilko6
ID: 52612922
Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 16:10
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Apparently the Bay to Rays deal is dead. Hmm...so many close deals
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| 30 | JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 16:27
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I now hear Bay to the Dodgers? Looking for confirmation.
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| 31 | Rendle
Donor
ID: 014815714
Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 16:30
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Looks like Bay to the Sox, Manny to the Dodgers.
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| 32 | JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 16:37
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Manny to Dodgers, Bay to Boston. Pirates get 4 players, 2 each from Boston and LA. reports FOX's Ken Rosenthal
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| 33 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 16:44
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espn confirms manny to la.
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| 34 | biliruben
ID: 52561217
Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 16:49
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LaRoche and Morris.
Morris was a 1st rounder in 2006 with Kershaw, and just now bouncing back from TJ surgery.
I like Manny and Boston's paying his salary, but I don't really understand how Boston benefits. I just don't see Bay as an upgrade.
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| 35 | barilko6
ID: 52612922
Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 16:51
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Wow....Bay is good, but to give up Manny, Hansen, Moss and 7 million to get him?
They must have REALLY wanted to get rid of Manny.
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| 36 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 16:57
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Boston is stupid.
I like the deal for LA though. Manny is far greater than Andrew. LA offered Kemp yesterday and no cash bakc and gave up LaRoche and Morris instead? WOW! Even Eithier was offered. AND Boton is paying Manny salary too? They jsut wanted him out. The did get Bay though so it's better than just benching Manny.
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| 37 | Razor
ID: 545172413
Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 17:29
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That Kemp rumor was just a bunch of Boston BS. I am sure Epstein flaoted that rumor himself. Colletti is a moron, but he even knew that he could not try to give up Kemp again after McCourt nixed the Sabathia deal.
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| 38 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 17:34
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Manny vs Bay
Bay = 6 years younger
Manny = Free Agent (team option at 20 million was waived with trade, reportedly)
Bay = 7 million next year
Bay and Manny are very close statistically (slight edge to Manny)
How is Boston not ahead here? Manny is a rental. And a distraction.
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| 39 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 17:45
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Bos is also paying manny's salary.
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| 40 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 18:07
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My take on things:
LA just acquired Blake. LaRoche wasn't going to play at all. DeWitt is ahead of him. Morris just had Tommy John surgery. Andrew is a bust. LA needs homers and power and run produciton in the worst way.
Manny brings in a mice ba and a great obp with power. Eithier or Andrew probably find the bench though as Pierre prob goes to CF (maybe Eithier goes CF). And LA saves cash. They aren't paying the two guys they are losing--NOR paying a guy who is owed $7M and could easily get them into the playoffs. His agent Scott Boros is a season ticket holder and perhaps Manny even stays next season.
Boston not only loses Manny who they wanted rid of anyhow--but also lose Hansen AND Moss. Now Bay sitll has his deal through next year but so did Manny if they wanted it. Boston gets rid of a headache and as we all have learned from these situations (i.e. Bonds) that distractions just take so much away from the team.
Pitt loses a RF, but gians an every day 3B and the LaRoche brothers united across the diamond. They get Moss who is really good and will be starting in RF. They get Hansen who used to be a huge prospect and they are hoping that he can turn things around in a new environment.
Obviously all three teams think they win in this deal and that's what you want, but Bos mainly wins because they lose a distraction. LA gets the best of the deal on paper. Pitt gets prospects back for a guy who probably would have been gone next season anyhow.
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| 41 | Mattinglyinthehall
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Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 18:28
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How is Boston not ahead here?
If you were a Yankee fan you wouldn't be asking that question. I'm thrilled with this trade. I sure would love to see Manny and Torre greet each other for the first time as fellow Dodgers.
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| 42 | R9
Leader
ID: 02624472
Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 18:29
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I think Pittsburgh could've certainly received a better haul of prospects if time had not been an issue. Bay could've been dealt in the off-season... A top talent like that with a very affordable contract deserved a top-end prospect imho. Laroche isn't it.
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| 43 | KrazyKoalaBears
ID: 186321620
Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 18:36
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Little noticed was that the Nationals picked up SS Alberto Gonzalez from the Yankees. This likely means Cristian Guzman's injury is worse than anticipated and that he could be heading to the DL soon.
Heads up for those who may have Guzman in their leagues.
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| 44 | Razor
ID: 42663019
Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 18:56
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Laroche was considered perhaps the best prospect in LA's loaded system a year ago and before the season was rated the #31 prospect in the game. He should be an immediate starter for Pittsburgh and could develop into an All-Star fairly soon.
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| 45 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 19:01
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R9 with a little bias for his Canadian bretheren. I don't think the Pirates did THAT badly. Bay might be a favorite of some OBP-based fantasy leagues, but is he really an All-Star caliber player?
Wow was Boston desperate or what? I hope those of you that own Ortiz in fantasy leagues use OBP, because with a Jason Bay or JD Drew behind him instead of Manny, good luck getting a pitch to hit. No offense to Bay or Drew, but they ain't Manny.
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| 46 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 19:05
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Boston gets rid of a headache and as we all have learned from these situations (i.e. Bonds) that distractions just take so much away from the team.
Manny did help them win 2 World Series. Maybe if the Sox are able to sign Bay long term that would give them some salvation, but they are a worse team today than yesterday.
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| 47 | JeffG
ID: 47112621
Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 19:20
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On YES, it was just reported the Yankees signed Victor Zambrano to a minor league contract.
My take on the Manny deal is Boston is definitely a weaker team than they were a week ago. Bay is a good replacement and is signed through next year, but if Boston kept Manny they'd be more competitive this year (they dealt w/Manny's nonsense for two World Championships, they could have dealt with 8-11 more weeks).
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| 48 | Kyle
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Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 19:25
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I'm not buying the "Manny is a distraction" song and dance that Boston management is trying to sell us on. 2 nights ago when Boston played on ESPN, the announcers were talking about Manny possibly being traded. As they talk about how he's a distraction and how Boston is trying to deal him, he's in the dugout talking with Francona and Papi and all 3 men were laughing and smiling. There were a couple other Red Sox around and they didn't seem to be angry with Manny.
Manny's antics are entertaining, and I don't think they are malicious. I think he had the right to talk about how he wasn't happy with the ownerships treatment of him. Every single year since he's been in Boston he's been the topic of trade rumors. I've never seen him get upset, yell at, or avoid teammates. To me he seems like the opposite of Bonds. He's Manny, he loves playing the game and he's going to have fun while he does it. The management doesn't like being called out in the press, but how would you like it if your boss was trying to send you to a different department every year? It's a stretch for a comparison, but somewhat applicable. You would probably talk to fellow co-workers and say "Man I want to stay in this department but management keeps trying to send me away." That's what Manny did, and now he's hopefully going to a better place. I don't know the Dodgers management, but from what I hear the GM is inept, so maybe he'll treat Manny like a cancer too.
I have trouble believing that Boston is better by trading away a HOF hitter for Jason Bay. Bay's a good hitter, but he's not Manny. And knock Manny for his defense but you can't say that it hasn't improved since he arrived in Boston.
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| 49 | biliruben
ID: 52561217
Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 20:10
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I think Manny wanted to get that option waived so he could get a last, 3-4 year deal while he can still command a decent buck.
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| 50 | Khahan
ID: 486552412
Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 21:00
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Most everybody here knows I am a Boston fan. I am happy with this deal.
First off, the comments about 'trading away a Future HoF' need to stop as do the comments about 'helping them win 2 world series.' The answer to both of these comments is, "Yes, he is a future HoF who helped them win 2 world series."
But my question is, "What is the relevance to this year?" The answer - absolutely none.
At this point in their careers, statistically they will put up similar numbers. The problem is, as I stated above, Manny will DOG it if he had to stay in Boston. He has already shown that. He skipped game 1 of the last Yankees series due to a 'sore knee.' Nothing showed. He was making a point. And that is not the first time he has suddenly had an aching knee for a Yankees series. He's dogging it on the basepaths, just trotting down to first on routine infield hits. He can pull up short on fly balls in the OF. Which brings us to the next argument:
"Playing for a contract." No way. Manny is a space cadet and plays by his rules and his way of thinking. He will play and play hard and be a great teammate if he is happy. The problem has been that he was not happy.
Manny is great when he plays. He brought a lot to Boston and as a Boston fan I am very happy and grateful he 'was' here and I am grateful for his past contributions. But I am also now grateful he is gone. We don't need those issues above as a distraction.
Ask Kevin Youkilis. Ask Jason Varitek. Varitek is the epitomy of diplomacy and doing/saying the proper thing as team Captain to represent the Sox in a respectful way. Yet even he was hardpressed to hide his distaste for the current clubhouse environment from reporters recently. He didn't throw anybody under the bus, but he kind of made it obvious he wouldn't pull Manny out of the buses way. That speaks volumes.
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| 51 | Great One
ID: 10658208
Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 21:26
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Kyle and Da Bomb apparently didn't see him not even trying... folks, he is faking injuries and he isn't even running out groundballs or long fly balls... He let Mariano throw three strikes down the middle without taking the bat off his shoulder as a form of protest for being forced to pinch hit. He got in a fight with a team member this year in the dugout. He pushed down a member of the Red Sox staff earlier this year.
How is he not a huge distraction? I think they are much better team the rest of the way cause they have a comprable player who actually wants to be there. Plus Bay's a bargain at way under 10 million per year through next season. I expect Boston to re-up him immediately with a contract similar to JD Drew.
ROTOWORLD
Many people will be surprised that the Red Sox dealt Ramirez without getting another big-name player in return, but Bay would be a household name if he played in prominent market. Not only is he a capable and potentially even superior replacement for Ramirez down the stretch this season, Bay is seven years younger, much cheaper, and under the Red Sox's control for 2009. Swapping Ramirez, Moss, and Hansen for Bay is an excellent move for Boston.
Ramirez is one of the greatest hitters in baseball history and even in his mid-30s remains one of the best bats in the game, but his production has definitely come down a notch since his prime. After posting an OPS of at least .950 each year from 1995 to 2006, Ramirez is currently on pace to undershoot that mark for the second straight season. He's batted .305/.405/.547 in 363 games since the beginning of last season, including .299/.398/.529 in 100 games this year.
Meanwhile, Bay has bounced back from a hugely disappointing, injury-wrecked 2007 season to hit .282/.375/.519 in 100 games and has posted a nearly identical .281/.375/.515 hitting line in 3,048 career plate appearances. For both this season and his six-year career Bay's production is about seven percent below Ramirez's production over the past two seasons. Not only isn't that a huge dropoff, once you account for park factors and defense, Bay potentially comes out ahead.
Fenway Park is one of the most hitter-friendly locations in baseball, while PNC Park in Pittsburgh is pitcher-friendly. Because of that it's not surprising to see that Bay has actually posted a slightly higher OPS on the road during his career while Ramirez has been substantially more productive at home as a member of the Red Sox, including posting a higher home OPS in six of his eight seasons in Boston.
Once ballparks are factored in, Bay at 29 years old and Ramirez at 36 years old come out looking awfully close—they essentially both look good for an OPS between .900-.950—and the gap in defensive value swings heavily in Bay's favor. In other words, the Red Sox acquired a similar hitter and superior defender who's significantly younger and under the team's control through next season. Moss and Hansen were the cost to swap, but Boston won't miss either in the big picture.
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| 52 | Da Bomb
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Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 22:39
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First off that article wasn't really convincing as it had a lot of stats and most know there can be a statistic made for everything.
Fenway Park is one of the most hitter-friendly locations in baseball, while PNC Park in Pittsburgh is pitcher-friendly. Because of that it's not surprising to see that Bay has actually posted a slightly higher OPS on the road during his career
Yes, Bay's OPS at home for his career is 9 points lower. However, for this year, it is actually 84 points higher.
Ramirez is one of the greatest hitters in baseball history and even in his mid-30s remains one of the best bats in the game, but his production has definitely come down a notch since his prime. After posting an OPS of at least .950 each year from 1995 to 2006, Ramirez is currently on pace to undershoot that mark for the second straight season.
Manny is known for being a relatively slow starter as he misses a decent amount of spring training. However, he is putting together another great Mannylike second half and has a 1.088 in July. So, perhaps by the end of the year his OPS will surpass that .950 mark.
It seems that every season the Sox are fed up with Manny and there are trade rumors but nothing happened and in two of those years he helped win the World Series. So, I guess sometimes distractions just don't really matter. Was this year so much worse than in years past? If the answer to that is "yes", then perhaps a trade was necessary. Him missing that Yankee game and dogging the AB was inexcusable, but unless it was going to be a routine occurrence, I'm not sure how much that would have mattered in the long run of the season.
The Sox knew what they were getting with Manny. He is a sure thing. Bay raises so many more question marks. He will have to handle things he never has before like a big market, a new set of pitchers (except for interleague play but his numbers aren't good then anyway), a pennant race, and maybe the pressure of the playoffs.
In the long run, this trade could work out really well for the Sox. With Schilling and Manny coming off the books they will surely be big players in the offseason. For this season however, I just don't see them as a better team, unless Manny would have continued to sabotage the team.
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| 53 | Razor
ID: 42663019
Thu, Jul 31, 2008, 23:07
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Glad I don't have to wonder if my team will be better this year - they are. A lot. Best hitter LA has had in years.
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| 54 | walk
ID: 181472714
Fri, Aug 01, 2008, 09:05
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Khahan is right. Manny was dogging it and all of us have very little insight as to what the clubhouse chemistry was with Manny THIS YEAR. It's a big deal. We don't know if there was brooding, open resentment, arguments, etc. A cancer in the clubhouse could hurt a team that is on the fence in terms of making the playoffs. It was very savvy for the bosox to cut him loose at this time (and lucky that some team took him at this point in his career). I think the sox have many other bats and they will be fine, but as a NYY fan, as MITH said, this is a good situation for us, cos when he played, he just killed us.
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| 55 | Great One
ID: 56438112
Fri, Aug 01, 2008, 09:17
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Da Bomb - your analysis leads to one more conclusion... that Ortiz is going to get pitched around A LOT now just because Manny is a proven name brand commodity that is feared. So these other guys will have to step up for sure.
But I think we can all agree that Bay will be a nice fit there, good OBP, stats should rise with the green monster there and a far superior lineup... and he is much better defensively so thats a bonus. Plus his salary is about 1/3 of what Manny was making - so plenty of $ to use next year and beyond.
And also thnk we all can agree that if they didn't move him and got 2 more months of his crybaby routine the Sox season would certainly be tanked - at least now they have some glimmer of hope and cohesive team where everybody has the same goal and isn't looking out for themselves only.
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| 56 | Khahan
ID: 1065339
Fri, Aug 01, 2008, 09:22
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I do have to admit, I loved the "I'm being traded to Green Bay for Brett Favre straight up," sign. That was hilarious.
But back to Da Bomb: Manny was not a slow starter this year. He took off out of the gate and then cooled down. Yes he seems to be heating back up again with his OPS. But what his BA? That matters, too. Think how much higher that would be if he would try to run out some infield hits (I'm thinking of one in particular last weekend against the Angels during a 2-hitter by John Lackey).
Manny did not want to be in Boston. He has not wanted to be there for years. Boston shopped him around a few times because he wanted out and they were willing to accomodate him (or show him that there weren't any takers for his antics).
I think most people in that situation could say, "Ok I got 2 months left I can probably get another WS ring out of this. Let me play for that and I'll ask management to let me be a FA next year and make it clear to them I don't want to be here after the season."
But not Manny. He couldn't play thru another 2 months. He had to force his way out now. And as soon as he's unhappy in LA, he'll do the same there. Luckily until that happens, LA will get one hell of a hitter.
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| 57 | Razor
ID: 545172413
Fri, Aug 01, 2008, 09:25
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Manny will be in LA for two months and got exactly what he wanted. He won't be an attitude problem.
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| 58 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Fri, Aug 01, 2008, 10:32
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#99...here we go...
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| 59 | Great One
ID: 10658208
Sat, Aug 02, 2008, 11:15
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Pretty damn good debut for Bay, gets on base 3 times, has a triple, scores both runs to tie and win the game... and makes a diving catch in left that Manny wouldn't have even sniffed.
Welcome Mr. Bay.
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| 60 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Aug 02, 2008, 22:57
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Manny HR! Welcome!!!
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| 61 | Great One
ID: 10658208
Sun, Aug 03, 2008, 12:06
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and a Bay HR in his second game as well...
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| 62 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Mon, Aug 04, 2008, 00:00
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Manny another homer. He's blazing right now. He actually ran out an infield hit Sat. night. Hope this honeymoon period lasts a long time. He's already talking about finishing his career as a Dodger. We shall see.
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| 63 | Seattle Zen
Leader
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Mon, Aug 04, 2008, 00:31
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Hope this honeymoon period lasts a long time.
The honeymoon will be over the instant the last syllable of this sentence is uttered:
We are not giving you a four year, one hundred million dollar contract.
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| 64 | blue hen
ID: 30311814
Mon, Aug 11, 2008, 14:50
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DBacks get Adam Dunn. I'm really unclear on how waivers work.
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| 65 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Mon, Aug 11, 2008, 23:57
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It means that either A, the Dbacks claimed him and the money left on his contract, then the teams worked on a trade. Or no one claimed Adam because of the money due and he was able to be traded.
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| 66 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Aug 12, 2008, 02:10
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After the trade deadline, if someone clears waivers, they can be traded to anyone.
If a team claims a player on waivers (the same league gets dibs before the other so AL teams get dibs of an AL player before a NL one and vice versa), the team placing him may either allow him to go and the claiming team takees on his contract...OR...The teams can try to work out a trade with that team for that player...OR...The placing team can pull him back. If the player is pulled back, he can't be traded for the rest of the season.
Many players are placed on waivers and a great deal of those aren't claimed. Some are claimed so their rivals can't claim them w/o any interest in that player--hoping he is pulled back.
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| 67 | Great One
ID: 56438112
Tue, Aug 12, 2008, 10:17
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We can parallel the "after they clear waivers can be traded to anyone" kind of like in our Yahoo Fantasy leagues... after a guy is cut and clears waivers -- he is an available FA to everybody. Free game.
Except instead of adding him for free, its a trade you have to work out with the team that still owns (unless they say you can have him for nothing cause they want to salary dump).
So the waiver order is set by reverse order of standings... so a guy gets cut and everyone has a chance to claim and say the #2 waiver priority aka Kansas City Royals claim him. Now they don't "win" the player and add him straight away -- they just "win" the right to negotiate for that player.
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| 68 | blue hen
ID: 30311814
Tue, Aug 12, 2008, 12:11
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So if the Blue Jays put Vernon Wells on waivers, and the Mariners (who have the worst record in baseball) claim him, they can work out a trade without any input from any other team, right?
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| 69 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Tue, Aug 12, 2008, 12:37
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Right. Anyone can claim him but the person who has the higher priority gets the player or the opprotunity for exclusive trade bargaining. But for say Vernon Wells, the Red Sox would still be ahead of say the Braves because the AL would get dibs on teh NL. If no AL team claims him then the worst team in the NL would have highest priority.
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| 70 | blue hen
ID: 30311814
Tue, Aug 12, 2008, 16:02
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Red Sox get Paul Byrd.
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| 71 | barilko6
ID: 48747137
Wed, Aug 13, 2008, 11:22
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According to the Arizona Republic, Micah Owings is one of the two players to be named later that the Reds received in Monday's deal for Adam Dunn. Owings got off to a great start this year, going 6-2 with a 3.73 ERA on the mound while hitting well at the plate, but he's fallen apart since with a 0-7 record and 9.21 ERA (plus a 7-for-33 stretch at the plate). That earned Owings a trip to the bullpen followed by a demotion back to Triple-A, and soon he'll be headed to Cincinnati.
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| 72 | Tosh
Leader
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Thu, Aug 14, 2008, 22:07
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How Waivers Work
Getting a waiver
A team must receive a waiver in order to do some things with a player’s contract. Like:
- assign it to a minor league team, if a player meets some conditions
- trade it to another major league team, under some conditions
- give a player his unconditional release (we saw this with Sexson and Vidro, for instance). We’re not going to discuss this one as we walk through this.
To get a waiver, a team notifies MLB. Waivers are batched up by the day they’re received (days run from 2pm-2pm eastern time). A team can only request waivers on seven players in any day.
Making waiver claims
Then other teams can enter waiver claims. They essentially have two business days to make the claim.
So if tomorrow I request a waiver for Carlos Silva and get that in before 2pm Eastern, other teams have until 1pm Eastern on Tuesday to notify the league they’d like to make a waiver claim.
If no one claims the player, the team requesting waivers gets them and can do whatever it was they wanted to do in the first place. They get a nice waiver notice which presumably is emailed to them.
Who gets a claim
One team claims ~ they get the waiver claim
More than one team claims ~ the precedence order goes worst record in the same league to best record in same league and then the other league. This is a dumb rule. The way the precedence is determined is also complicated, and not “record at time of claim”.
Then MLB sends a nice note to the requesting team that tells them what claims were made. The rule is “any claims”.
The requesting team now has a couple of options:
1. Let the claiming team take the contract ~ If no action is taken, the player’s assigned to the claiming team. The team losing the player gets a token amount of cash.
This seems to be frequently overlooked. If someone puts on a claim on Carlos Silva in the previous example, and when I call them up they tell me they want an extra player, or they’re just blocking a trade, or they made a mistake and meant to claim another player, well, it really sucks to be them, because in a month I’m going to sympathize with them about how hard it is to get sour cream out of the clubhouse carpeting.
2. Make a deal ~ Work out a means of compensation, either in prospects who don’t have to go through waivers, cash, or gift certificates to the Body Shop. There’s a time limit on this.
3. Withdraw the waiver request ~ This is the only leverage the requesting team has: threatening to keep the guy.
If the team requesting a waiver on a player can’t work out a deal with the claiming team, they can withdraw their request. The player stays on their team, and if they were requesting waivers for purpose of a transaction, they’re stuck unable to make that move.
If they do that, they can still try this trick again, but with an added twist:
Requesting waivers again ~ If a player’s pulled back, a team can request a waiver on the same player again (this is kind of confusing in the rules, by the way, which says “no you can’t request waivers twice” and then “requesting waivers twice in the same period…”)
In this case, the waivers are irrevocable: the requesting team can’t pull the player back. So if you request again post-August 1st, the second time whoever wins the claim war automatically gets them. They don’t have to make a deal or anything.
That doesn’t mean that if the player clears, they have to release him.
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