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0 Subject: Manny Ramirez Suspended for PEDs!!!

Posted by: Ref
- Donor [539581218] Thu, May 07, 2009, 11:45

Breaking News from ESPN that Manny ahs been suspended 50 games for testing positive for PEDs.
1¤ Mario LeMoose ¤
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      Thu, May 07, 2009, 11:55
LA Times link
2J
      Leader
      ID: 049346417
      Thu, May 07, 2009, 12:00
Very disapointed in ref for not using a Manny being Manny subject!
3Perm Dude
      ID: 21453619
      Thu, May 07, 2009, 12:07
Well, this clears up my logjam problem in the OF on my Political Forum Baseball team...
4Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, May 07, 2009, 12:11
Boras says it was a prescription drug from a doctor for a medical issue and not a steroid.
5Seattle Zen
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      Thu, May 07, 2009, 12:12
Boras says it was a prescription drug from a doctor for a medical issue and not a steroid.

Yeah, that settles it, nothing to see here, just move along. If you can't trust Scott Boras...
6Razor
      ID: 371502414
      Thu, May 07, 2009, 12:13
Well efffffffffff. Thought we purged all the cheaters when Lo Duca, Gagne, Brown, and Mondesi left.

There goes the unbelievable momentum that the Dodgers had, not to mention Manny's reputation as one of the most naturally gifted hitters the game has ever seen.
7Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, May 07, 2009, 12:16
[5] I agree with you. It's BS.

I am a HUGE Dodgers fan, but I don't buy that at all. I'd need some overwhelming proof to that effect before I'd buy into that.
8DWetzel
      ID: 278201415
      Thu, May 07, 2009, 12:29
Re: #2...

The problem may be that this time Manny was peeing Manny, and not someone else.
9Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, May 07, 2009, 12:31
Wow.

What's most funny about this.......Ref makes sure to run to the G20 website to pick up Juan Pierre before posting!

10holt
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      Thu, May 07, 2009, 12:37
Ouch.

btw, you'd think Boras would be bright enough to know he should be having someone other than himself be the PR guy here.
11Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, May 07, 2009, 12:38
Fun, pick-on-Scott-Boras conspiracy theory:

Boras was the master steroid dealer, convinced his clients to juice up......earn big FA contracts......and make him rich in the process.
12holt
      ID: 303502019
      Thu, May 07, 2009, 12:42
nah, he just laced their drinks with roids during meetings. no convincing required.
13Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, May 07, 2009, 12:48
[9] Actually not true. I posted first. Didn't even take Manny out of my lineup right away. But figured Pierre might get some SBs at least--even if he bats in the 9th spot. In fact, I took Manny out before I even went to pick up Pierre. Not that it matters much with my decimated team.
14Khahan
      ID: 391582715
      Thu, May 07, 2009, 15:31
Well, this certainly takes some of the sting out of it:

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ys-ramirezsuspension050709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

What he got busted for was not HGH or a steroid. It was a female fertility drug. Say it so, Manny. Please, tell me you aren't barren!
15Mith
      ID: 2894309
      Thu, May 07, 2009, 15:36
It's a masking agent.
16barilko6
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      Thu, May 07, 2009, 15:36
If you read the story, the drug is used to replenish testosterone, which of course gets depleted when taking steroids and HGH, which then in my eyes adds more sting to things.
17Razor
      ID: 371502414
      Thu, May 07, 2009, 15:43
Pretty clear: Manny is a cheater. Unbelievable.
18Perm Dude
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      Thu, May 07, 2009, 15:52
Who will the dull-witted Hispanic boys look up to now?
19Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Thu, May 07, 2009, 16:08
I have read about that nad I don't see anywhere about it being a masking agent. It is testosterone basically but Viagra and Cialis are more effective fore erectile dysfunction. IT is also used by steroid users to replenish testosterone, but from what I get out of the articles seems to me that they'd find steroids too. No steroid or HGH have ever come up before in Manny's test before (he says) nor has this drug before.

I am not saying there still isn't something underhanded here--hell why not appeal if there isn't a smoking gun???

Peter Gammons says he spoke to some people in Boston who were close to Manny--and they don't think he took steroids or ever would. He also said that they don't want to appeal because if they lose--they risk missing games at the end of the season or post-season. The Players Association don't want him to comment at all.

The two research guys on ESPN (Quinn/Wada) says he was suspended for using HgC, a woman's fertility drug--typically used by steroid users at the end of their steroid cycle.

My question is this: How long are steroids detectable once they stop using them?

I just can't imagine somone using this drug in a legit way. I'm just wondering why he would take steroids with all this testing going on? He failed two tests by one article's account spaced out and it was the same drug. I wouldn't think you'd take the drug that long if it ws for ending a steroid cycle.

Quinn also said that he could have also been taking this strictly for a testosterone boost. In his testing, MLB found that Manny's testotserone was slightly elevated. Then when they went deeper they found this drug. They were set for a hearing last night, but Manny cancelled it and decided to take the suspension.
20Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, May 07, 2009, 16:48
No steroid or HGH have ever come up before in Manny's test before (he says) nor has this drug before.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.....but isn't part of the problem that we do not have a urine-based HGH test? Only blood? And of course there is no blood testing allowed in the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

Fairly or unfairly, Manny deserves to be branded with the same broad brush as A-Rod and Bonds. He got caught.
21Mith
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      Thu, May 07, 2009, 16:54
It's getting hard to keep track but I don't think Bonds get caught, did he?
22PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Thu, May 07, 2009, 16:55
For being as outspoken as he's always been in his career, wouldn't you assume he would fight it, unless he's worried something bigger comes out?
23RecycledSpinalFluid
      Dude
      ID: 204401122
      Thu, May 07, 2009, 19:13
LOL..."Mannywood", the $99 special that the Dodgers have should now also include a bottle of juice, just to maintain the promotion. Saw a product called "JointJuice" at the store the other day...suspect Manny would make a good sponser of that aptly named product, PEDs or No.
24filthy
      ID: 388531216
      Thu, May 07, 2009, 22:42
Was Boras the agent of Canseco?

Six Degrees of Jose Canseco would be a great article. Maybe even book... not sure how deep the web goes.

Not at all surprised by Manny. He played with a couple potentially sketchy names on his way up.
25Seattle Zen
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      Thu, May 07, 2009, 23:13
Oh, what stories weave through those dreds.

Seriously, I know all about various psychotropic drugs and the trace elements they leave in hair follicles. Don't know about steroids. I figure the IOC would require hair samples if they provided even the slightest clue.

Does anyone doubt that large amounts of THC reside in Manny's dreds?
26Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, May 07, 2009, 23:28
MITH 21

I worded that improperly. I see how it implies that I meant that all three of those athletes had positive tests. I meant it more in the vein of he should be painted with the same brush as A-rod and Bonds as major superstars on steroids....with emphasis on the fact that he got caught and has no defense (whereas Bonds still has his (im)plausible deniability).
27Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Tue, May 12, 2009, 00:04
The synthetic testosterone in Ramirez's body could not have come from the hCG, according to doping experts, and so suddenly Ramirez had two drugs to answer for. Worse still for the ballplayer, MLB now had a document showing he had been prescribed a banned substance. This was iron-clad evidence that could secure a 50-game suspension.

STORY
28Ref
      Donor
      ID: 539581218
      Fri, May 15, 2009, 10:13
LA Times is reporting that Manny did in fact test positive for steroids.
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