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Subject: Trade Game
Posted by: barilko6
- [4163776] Tue, Jul 07, 2009, 07:37
Alright, rumors are growing more and more that the Jays are looking to trade Roy Halladay. Halladay, along with Robbie Alomar, are two of the most talented guys I have ever seen play in Toronto.
The thought process is that Halladay will want to sign with a team that is an instant contender following the 2010 season, so it would be in the Jays' best interest to move him now while his value is at a peak level.
I guess I kind of agree with that. If Halladay is willing to resign here in Toronto, I would do it immediately.
But...lets play the trade game.
What is your team willing to offer to get Roy Halladay for the rest of this season and all of 2010?
What the Jays would ideally want:
Young players ready to play now
Prospects ready in the next couple years
Unload Vernon Wells' contract (not required, but a definite bonus)
What the Jays don't want:
Middling prospects
Large Contracts in return
So, submit your offers here and I, on behalf of the worst GM in MLB, JP Ricciardi, will pick the winner on Friday. |
| 1 | barilko6
ID: 4163776
Tue, Jul 07, 2009, 07:38
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Once we complete Halladay on Friday, it would be great if someone else started a new trade game with the player of their choice, from their favorite team.
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| 2 | Mith
ID: 2894309
Tue, Jul 07, 2009, 11:13
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Joba Chamberlain.
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| 3 | Seattle Zen
ID: 14637710
Tue, Jul 07, 2009, 11:40
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Delmon Young and Francisco Liriano, but you have to pick up the rest of Roy's $$ for the season, just because you are dumb. And by "you", I mean Ricciardi, (maybe Canadians in general, too...)
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| 4 | Mith
ID: 2894309
Tue, Jul 07, 2009, 12:02
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I'm going to take back my Chamberlain offer. Way too much.
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| 5 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Jul 07, 2009, 14:04
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I'd offer up J.A. Happ straight up for Halladay.
I'd actually like to have Wells, but we already have a high payroll and don't need another outfielder that badly. Can we have Scott Rolen as well? Sure would love to have him, but I'm pretty sure it's not going to happen.
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| 6 | barilko6
ID: 42659713
Tue, Jul 07, 2009, 14:59
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Rolen has been great this year, but could be included as his deal expires at the end of next season.
I also forgot to mention that if you are willing to take on BJ Ryan, that would lower your cost as well.
I think the Jays would be looking at a package of players as opposed to one single guy though. (Deals of Joba/Happ)
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| 7 | Mikel
ID: 265462116
Tue, Jul 07, 2009, 18:40
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Can't say I would want the Tigers to pull the trigger on a Halladay
trade, our farm system is already thin as it is.
To throw some names out there, I would guess it would take
something along the lines or Porcello and Perry to land him.
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| 8 | Nerfherders
ID: 347242717
Tue, Jul 07, 2009, 19:45
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Unless Halladay can hit 30 HR from 1B or corner OF, the Braves don't need him. :)
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| 9 | filthy
ID: 388531216
Wed, Jul 08, 2009, 09:35
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Ricciardi is horrible in many aspects, but far from the worst GM in the league. He has done a whole lot more good than bad, the bad is just much more glaring. And the lack of any form of playoff atmosphere, ever, makes it easier to notice the bad.
If he trades Halladay, I will consider him the worst GM in history though, regardless of the return. As much as Vernon Wells' contract is untradeable, Roy Halladay's talent SHOULD be untradeable.
Ricciardi is known to stretch the truth to the press, so I am gonna read between the lines on this, and say that he is probably just trying a bait and switch to get GM's on the line in hopes of dumping any of the other contracts. Trading Rios, Rolen, Ryan, Overbay, or Downs would still allow the Jays to dream of contention in 2010, while giving them the required payroll flexibility to lock up Doc.
But trading Halladay would be the sign of rebuild mode, and as a lifelong Blue Jays fan and current Rogers customer, that would be unacceptable. Rebuild in 2011, if 2010 is a fail, but do NOT rebuild before you've even made a run at it. Ricciardi has built this team around the 2010 season. If 2010 starts slow, the Jays can gut the team from the top down and do a real rebuild. An aging Vernon plus 24 youngsters for a few years of $40M payroll would be so worth it to know that they made a sincere attempt at it in 2010. Rogers needs to commit to spending $100M plus for just one season. If they can't do that, then Halladay deserves to go somewhere that wants to win as badly as he does. Stop wasting his time Rogers. They can recoup any 2010 losses by 2012 if the risk doesn't pay off. Being passive surely hasn't ever, or will it ever pay off in the AL East. The Jays aren't gonna get much more for Doc if he's traded at this year's deadline instead of next years. If Rogers can't commit to fielding a winner for just one season, they need to sell the team or look for some new fans/customers. Nobody is gonna go to the Skydome and see all of Rogers' ads if it's clear that winning is less of a priority than pushing cellphones.
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| 10 | barilko6
ID: 156297
Wed, Jul 08, 2009, 15:59
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I would agree that Halladay should stay long term, but I don't know if it can be done. I would love to see Halladay signed for whatever it takes, but in a real world would love to see what we can get back for him before losing him for 2 high draft picks.
That being said, no need to include BJ Ryan, as he has just been released.
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| 11 | Seattle Zen
ID: 30612912
Thu, Jul 09, 2009, 17:30
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If he trades Halladay, I will consider him the worst GM in history though, regardless of the return. As much as Vernon Wells' contract is untradeable, Roy Halladay's talent SHOULD be untradeable.
But trading Halladay would be the sign of rebuild mode, and as a lifelong Blue Jays fan and current Rogers customer, that would be unacceptable.
Why would that be unacceptable? Right now, you have the forth best team in your division and it's not because you are missing a piece or two. If you stand any chance of competing with the other three, you will need to replicate the Rays, a bunch of young studs with less than 6 years of service all at the same time. Then, and only then, would it make sense to pay Halladay the money is will garner on the free agent market.
If the Jays were in any other division, you could make an argument in favor of keeping this team intact.
And no one is going to Skydome now.
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| 13 | barilko6
ID: 2466107
Fri, Jul 10, 2009, 08:07
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I totally agree Zen, but if he is willing to stay at a competitive rate, then keeping him would be the best option.
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| 14 | barilko6
ID: 2466107
Fri, Jul 10, 2009, 08:11
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Halladay is THE FRANCHISE in Toronto, by far their franchise player. Alomar is up there, but loses to Halladay because of total years played.
Any deal for Halladay would have to be better than the 2 high draft picks they would get for losing him to FA.
Lots of print out there saying that the Phillies would be the odds on favorite right now to acquire Halladay. The Phils have prospects like Drabek, Donald, Mayberry, Happ, Brown, Taylor, and Carrasco, among others.
You have to think, if they could offer 2 of Drabek, Brown, Taylor, Happ, or Donald, and then either Mayberry or Carrasco, the Jays would have to jump all over that.
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| 15 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Jul 10, 2009, 10:07
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Put Carrasco in the first category, and Happ in the second. But that's a lot to offer. The only good thing here is that they actually have so many prospects to offer. Knapp is another one, in addition to what you mentioned.
Honestly, the Phils probably SHOULD overpay for Halladay - most of these outfield guys aren't going to play with 3 guys already entrenched and 3 solid outfield prospects. I'd be fine losing Mayberry and Happ, and I think that's not far off for the Jays. Where does Bastardo fit into this?
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| 16 | I Hate Philadelphia
ID: 116531412
Tue, Jul 14, 2009, 13:53
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Being that I hate the Phillies I don't wish them to get Halladay, but I can't see how a deal with Happ as the centerpiece, doesn't get it done.
Happ, Drabeck and Mayberry that the deal would probably work for both teams.
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| 17 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Jul 14, 2009, 15:31
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That might even be more than I'd like to give away, but you are right. While LaPorta was a fairly huge prospect, the other guys in the Sabathia deal were slightly more than non-factors. Happ, Drabek, and Mayberry are all at a higher level than those other guys.
In all this, I'm just happy that the Phils have 7 or 8 top level prospects.
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| 18 | holt
ID: 2463620
Tue, Jul 14, 2009, 21:50
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from a Cardinals club source:
“Give Ricciardi all our minor-league rosters and let him circle any 5 names.”
Problem is, the Cards may not have 5 players the Jays want that much. They are definitely interested though, which is surprising considering how tight the owners' pockets are.
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| 19 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Jul 15, 2009, 09:44
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Are the Astros a sleeper here? They are hanging around, and Drayton has a history of getting previous Cy Young winners at the deadline.
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| 20 | barilko6
ID: 32612310
Thu, Jul 23, 2009, 11:16
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Boston, Colorado, and Milwaukee are now coming out of the background to join Philadelphia as potential suitors. Apparently Milwaukee is very interested and is building a package around Manny Parra and one of either Mat Gamel or Alcides Escobar.
It makes sense for the Brewers to trade Gamel, as they really don't have a place to play him. He is one of the worst fielding third basemen in AAA, and LF and 1b are already filled with elite players.
Would Halladay accept Milwaukee though?
Boston has Buccholz, Daniel Bard, and Lars Anderson to package together. That would be nice, but would the Jays want to deal to a division rival? Ricciardi says he doesn't care because it could be like Burnett and Halladay might sign with a rival anyways, so why not just get the best return.
Colorado has the home town factor going for Halladay, some nice prospects, but are they enough of a contender to suit Doc?
Philadelphia still looks like the strongest contender...something like Happ, Brown, and Taylor. Not a fan of Drabek. But, Happ is serving a huge role right now for the Phillies, so would they want to deal him away? They might want to try and include 2 other guys like Carrasco and another guy instead.
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| 21 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Thu, Jul 23, 2009, 19:07
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Would Halladay accept Milwaukee though?
Could it be worse than playing in Canada? ;)
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| 22 | blue hen
ID: 8115717
Sun, Jul 26, 2009, 21:38
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The Jays have officially rejected an offer of Halladay for Happ, Taylor, Carrasco, and Donald. I think that one has been mentioned around here, so we're wrong about that. That's a lot of talent being offered there, and on par with what I would have thought would be enough. Oh well.
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| 23 | barilko6
ID: 50615276
Mon, Jul 27, 2009, 07:15
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Yeah I was surprised to hear they rejected that offer. Word is that they want both Happ AND Drabek in a deal for Doc. I would have been pretty happy with the deal that they turned down.
Apparently the Red Sox and Rangers are now making a push as well. Could we get both Buccholz and Bowden in a deal from the Sox? Maybe Justin Smoak and others from Texas?
I think JP is handling this terribly, although I will never be confused of being a JP supporter in any sense of the word. It just seems that there is way too much media involved, someone is leaking a lot of info, and Halladay is getting dragged through a lot of mud by JP.
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| 24 | Seattle Zen
ID: 4778712
Fri, Aug 07, 2009, 19:50
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Amazingly great news out of Toronto.
Some crazy team put a waiver claim on Alex Rios.
Understatement of the year:
"That's an incredible opportunity for the Blue Jays to get out from underneath that contract," said one team official.
Oh, you mean that $60 million dollars they are still obligated to pay an outfielder with a .728 OPS? Yeah, I'd jump up and down to get away from that.
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| 25 | barilko6
ID: 8738719
Fri, Aug 07, 2009, 20:38
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Hmm...I am a little torn on this. Rios' contract calls for about $13 million a year, and he has a lot of potential. Unfortunately we have been waiting on his potential for quite some time.
Toronto rumors has the claiming team definitely in the AL, with the Royals and Mariners being the teams mentioned the most.
I would much rather see Wells go myself. I would be ok with Rios going IF Rogers took the money they saved on Rios and spent it on incoming players for next year, but we in Toronto know that won't be the case, as they are looking to cut payroll now that Ted is gone.
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| 26 | Seattle Zen
ID: 4778712
Fri, Aug 07, 2009, 22:14
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I would much rather see Wells go myself.
Of course you would, but come on! No one is THAT stupid.
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| 27 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Aug 08, 2009, 01:42
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My guess is that it's the White Sox who claimed him. With his contract, it's the only one who makes sense.
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| 28 | barilko6
ID: 8738719
Sat, Aug 08, 2009, 07:12
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Yeah, ESPN at 10:00pm last night said it was the White Sox. Still unconfirmed officially though.
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| 29 | Ref
Donor
ID: 539581218
Sat, Aug 08, 2009, 13:22
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On Saturday, Alex Rios addressed the rumors of him being claimed off waivers by another team.
"I can't do anything," Rios said. "If I get traded, I get traded. I'm going to have to go wherever I get traded to, but I don't know. At this point, I'm thinking that I'm staying here. That's the way I have to think about it." Now that Rios has been claimed -- likely by the White Sox -- the Blue Jays can either decide to let Rios go for nothing, work out a trade with the claiming club or pull him off waivers.
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| 30 | Jim Plebo
ID: 47762616
Wed, Aug 26, 2009, 17:08
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Whew, I'll bet the Phillies are glad they got Lee instead.
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