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Subject: Offseason thread
Posted by: blue hen
- Dude [710321114] Thu, Nov 05, 2009, 17:56
Red Sox acquire Jeremy Hermida. Some teams just buy championships. |
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| 21 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 19:08
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The Tigers have some good young arms on the farm, but they have really no good bats down there. I really like Scherzer and think he'll plug right into the starting lineup. Don't know much about Schlereth but it looks like he was brought along nicely by AZ. Maybe he'll come out of camp with a starting job but he seems, like Coke, to be a holder, no more.
But Jackson is a very good prospect--he played up the road from me in Scranton and really is an exciting player. He's not the home run hitter Granderson is, but he's fast and will get on base a lot.
All in all, I would have thought the Tigers would get more than one hitter out of the deal.
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| 22 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 19:19
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I think the Tigers did better than most will initially give them credit for. They are obviously desperately hamstrung financially and did get a nice young hitter and two electric arms, along with a very useful lefty in Coke. But as noted above, which Edwin Jackson is the REAL Edwin Jackson? This guy toiled for years before finally harnessing a nice portion of his potential.
I'm not thrilled with what AZ did. Unless they think Scherzer is a Tommy John surgery (or shoulder surgery) just waiting to happen, I don't like it from their perspective.
I love Granderson's defense in CF, especially if Damon returns to LF. I just hope from NYY's sake we get AT LEAST the 2008 Granderson....or something between the 2007 and 2008 Granderson at the plate. Despite the 30 HR's, IMO Granderson's 2009 sucked by comparison.
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| 23 | DWetzel
ID: 33337117
Tue, Dec 08, 2009, 23:44
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Yeah, I know Edwin is not the second coming of Cy Young--I suspect much of that had to do with Leyland running him out there until his arm fell off down the stretch (which, I suppose, was likely to happen again). Still, he was a very solid #2-#3 type starter on a team which has little to no depth in the starting rotation.
I may be vastly underrating Scherzer and/or Austin Jackson. Jackson in particular may be a very nice player someday, but I don't think he'll be ready to contribute meaningfully in 2010.
Scherzer is a guy who pitched into the eighth inning exactly twice last year in 30 starts, and managed at least 7 complete in all of six games. For comparison, Jackson went into the eighth seven times, and got 7 complete innings in 17 of his 33 starts. Which means that one of two things are liable to happen: Leyland is going to run Scherzer crying to Dr. James Andrews by mid-June, or he's going to continue to be a six-inning pitcher for the foreseeable future. If it's the latter, the Tigers bullpen isn't equipped to deal with that. The staff needed a real innings-eater. Scherzer is NOT that guy.
I know that Scherzer and Austin Jackson may mature, and that's great, but the division is completely there for the taking again in 2010. Getting guys for 2-3 years from now isn't going to help, because the competition may well be better then. I don't think there's anyone out there thinking that 2010 Granderson + EJack < 2010 Scherzer + AJack.
Which ultimately means that it's a pay cutting move, and that's a hard thing for me to get excited about, even if it's "necessary".
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| 24 | JeffG
Leader
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Wed, Dec 09, 2009, 13:32
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Pettitte back with the Yankees for 2010. One year $11.75M
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| 25 | C1-NRB
ID: 2911103011
Wed, Dec 09, 2009, 19:08
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Not that anyone cares, but the Rangers move Millwood to Baltimore for Ray and apparently use the savings to pick up Rich Harden from the Cubs.
Hmm.
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| 26 | Electroman
ID: 565182111
Thu, Dec 10, 2009, 09:16
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News of the offseason, Bonds career is over Agent says
Did he send the statement to the press by pigeon or something?
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| 27 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Dec 10, 2009, 09:59
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Rangers get Harden and Lowell (Red Sox get Max Ramirez).
Rays get Rafael Soriano.
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| 28 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Thu, Dec 10, 2009, 15:19
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Lots of signings today.
Lyon to Houston - What a stupid contract
Bonser traded to Boston
Lowell MAYBE to Texas for C Max Ramirez - Rumor is to sign Beltre
Wolf and Hawkins to Milwaukee
Angels appear to be the top team for Halladay - At the moment
New 3 team Tigers trade rumor - Guillen traded somewhere, Pierre to Det, LA wants a SP
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| 29 | Fosten
ID: 311411119
Fri, Dec 11, 2009, 20:41
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My thoughts on the Mets offering Jason Bay $65 million over 4 years.
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| 30 | barilko6
ID: 3511151415
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 16:15
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Apparently Halladay to the Phillies, Cliff Lee to Seattle, and prospects from both teams to the Jays.
Good Bye Doc.
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| 31 | Khahan
ID: 391582715
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 16:58
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Story to support Barilko's post.
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| 32 | clv
Sustainer
ID: 5911351713
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 17:33
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"Apparently Halladay to the Phillies, Cliff Lee to Seattle, and prospects from both teams to the Jays.
Good Bye Doc."
That combined with the Lackey signing sure does seem to drive Lowe's (and Vazquez') value much higher all of a sudden.
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| 33 | clv
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Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 17:36
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Lowe for Juan Rivera anyone?
Sounds like the Halos are inching closer to signing Godzilla.
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| 34 | judy
Leader
ID: 7771722
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 19:43
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Too bad Cliff Lee -- you wanted too much $$$ for your extension and now you are off to
Seattle... It was nice while it lasted -- you are a fine pitcher and we enjoyed your stay with us.
If Cole comes back strong we have a nice R L punch.
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| 35 | Electroman
ID: 565182111
Mon, Dec 14, 2009, 19:47
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Well BH, does this satisfy your appetite for a team to go for it with a big trade?
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| 36 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 00:00
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From what i've seen Seattle only gets Lee? What is up with that trade for them?
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| 37 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 00:34
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Punk - the latest version have them sending Aumont and an OF prospect I haven't heard of (i.e. NOT Michael Saunders) for a year of Cliff Lee. I know Aumont has been rather enigmatic, but of course, kind of like Morrow, the Mariners have F-d with him so badly between the pen and starting he probably doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground. Anyway, I'm assuming they've soured on him.
If they lose Lee in a year, they get 2 draft picks. Not bad.
Strange that the Phillies trade Lee, and "swap" prospects - giving up Taylor and Drabek but getting Aumont and the OF I haven't heard of. Halladay signs a reasonable 3-year extension vs. Lee's supposed "Sabathia" demands. I see all of the logic for the Phillies......hopefully they didn't downgrade too much in those prospects.
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| 38 | beebop
ID: 451113150
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 01:13
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From the stories i read, i assumed all prospects in the deal were headed to Toronto? That would make more sense to me.
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| 39 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 10:49
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Yeah 20M a year compaired to 23M is a huge difference between Lee and Halladay :'P
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| 40 | Great One
ID: 54114918
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 11:24
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Red Sox get Mike Cameron for 2 years. I have no idea why they did this. His best asset is his CF defense and with Ellsbury they don't need that. It will add some pop to the bottom of the lineup I guess, but I always hated his other stats that went with the HR/SB. Frankly - (before Granderson) he DID make good sense for the Yankees...
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| 41 | barilko6
ID: 011581515
Tue, Dec 15, 2009, 16:58
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re: 39 It is when you are talking 7 years for Lee against 3 for Halladay. (4th with an option)
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| 42 | clv
Sustainer
ID: 5911351713
Wed, Dec 16, 2009, 10:20
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Red Sox get Mike Cameron for 2 years. I have no idea why they did this. His best asset is his CF defense and with Ellsbury they don't need that. It will add some pop to the bottom of the lineup I guess, but I always hated his other stats that went with the HR/SB
Sounds as if Theo is at least contemplating Buchholz and Ellsbury for Adrian Gonzalez - guess that would seem to make the Cameron signing less of an oddity.
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| 43 | JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Tue, Dec 22, 2009, 13:08
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Five player deal between Atlanta and the Yankees. Javy Vazquez is back with the Yankees, Melky Cabrera is now a Brave.
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| 44 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Dec 22, 2009, 14:03
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Five player deal between Atlanta and the Yankees. Javy Vazquez is back with the Yankees, Melky Cabrera is now a Brave.
Hard not to like this. Mike Dunn is a hard piece to lose, but he is quite replaceable and to get a workhorse like Vazquez it's a no-brainer.
What a battle of rotations between Boston and New York in the East.
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| 45 | Electroman
ID: 565182111
Tue, Dec 22, 2009, 14:08
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Has Vasquez changed during his career? I remember him as being the guy that can't win when you need him. He was very frustrating to watch, and I'm not talking about when he was a Yankee.
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| 46 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Dec 22, 2009, 14:10
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Dunn, Cabrera join Braves. No, not Adam and Miguel.
Nice move by the Yankees. I sure would love it if my team got Javy Vazquez, Nick Johnson, and Curtis Granderson all in one offseason. Not that my team is inactive or anything.
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| 47 | Khahan
ID: 391582715
Tue, Dec 22, 2009, 15:20
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I'm very glad Vazquez is with the Yankees. My recollection of him is a tough pitcher to face early in the season, but he fades down the stretch. He is also prone to streakiness. When he rings up a bad start, you know 2 or 3 more are coming.
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| 48 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Tue, Dec 22, 2009, 18:09
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If it's Aroldys Vizcaino as the third piece of the trade going to the Braves, he was just named the #3 prospect in the Yankees system. Interesting.
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| 49 | wiggs
ID: 33916913
Tue, Dec 22, 2009, 18:14
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Yanks are trading away all their young talent. Not sure that is a great idea. I do like Javy though.
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| 50 | ChicagoTRS
ID: 1550160
Tue, Dec 22, 2009, 23:54
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In Vaz time with the White Sox...he always seemed prone to big innings his 2nd or 3rd time through the lineup...5-6th inning. Not a pressure pitcher...
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| 51 | Seattle Zen
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ID: 055343019
Wed, Dec 23, 2009, 01:32
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Vazquez to Yanks
This is the kind of trade that both teams will regret. I don't think the Braves got much, I think very little of Melky Cabrera. On the other hand, though Vazquez has great peripherals year after year, he never pitches as well as his stuff. He was terrible in the Bronx in 2004 and probably will be again in 2010.
Brandon Morrow for two peeps and a candy cane.
Okay, it was Brandon League and Class A outfield prospect Yohermyn Chavez.
This is pathetic, but it's probably for the best. This is what the M's have to show for making the Big Mistake. In the 2006 draft they should have taken Tim Lincecum, you know, local boy, Washington Husky record for strikeouts. No, let's take the guy from Cal who has diabetes. Stupid. Morrow was taken 6th, Tiny Tim 8th. Did I mention he was raised right here in town?
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| 52 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Wed, Dec 23, 2009, 02:12
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He was terrible in the Bronx in 2004 and probably will be again in 2010.
Not really. He had a great first half and then an injury led to his down 2nd half. His overall numbers were still decent. Plus, there's a lot less pressure this go around as he's the 3rd or 4th starter. Even being an average pitcher might be an upgrade over what they had and it definitely strengthens the bullpen as Joba or Hughes will be moved there now. Plus, the Yankees didn't give up anything of much value.
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| 53 | Razor
ID: 57854118
Wed, Dec 23, 2009, 11:40
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Re: 51, drafting is a tough business. The Twins raised a lot of eyebrows when they went cheap and passed on the best high school pitching prospect in years in Mark Prior. And now they are stuck with a three-time batting champ and AL MVP.
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| 54 | Seattle Zen
ID: 1410391215
Wed, Dec 23, 2009, 12:44
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And now they are stuck with a three-time batting champ and AL MVP.
Joe Mauer, local boy dun good...
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| 55 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Dec 23, 2009, 15:29
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Re: 51, drafting is a tough business. The Twins raised a lot of eyebrows when they went cheap and passed on the best high school pitching prospect in years in Mark Prior. And now they are stuck with a three-time batting champ and AL MVP.
Actually, the Yankees drafted Mark Prior out of high school, but he chose to go to USC instead where he was eventually drafted by the Cubs.
Re: SZ -- wasn't Lincecum actually the TENTH pick by the Giants that year? That's 9 stupid MF'ing GMs! lol
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| 56 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Wed, Dec 23, 2009, 16:58
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wasn't Lincecum actually the TENTH pick by the Giants that year? That's 9 stupid MF'ing GMs! lol
that was actually the THIRD time Lincecum was drafted.
The Cubs took him in the 48th round out of HS, but he didn't sign. Two years later, the Indians drafted him in the 42nd round, but again he didn't sign.
the following year, the Giants indeed took him in the first round, at #10. Although some of guys drafted ahead of him might make the GMs who drafted them curse themselves, i wouldn't say it's all of them.
Evan Longoria was taken ahead of Lincecum, and he's not a bad consolation prize at all. Clayton Kershaw was also picked ahead of him, and it still looks like he'll live up to his potential.
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| 57 | Skidazl
ID: 280401016
Fri, Dec 25, 2009, 12:05
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Angels get Rodney, 2 years 11 million. I don't like Fuentes so I like this move...
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| 58 | blue hen @minnesota
ID: 2711102513
Fri, Dec 25, 2009, 14:10
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Lincecum was the highest rated prospect in that draft. Most teams said he was great but they couldn't afford the price tag. Granted, those were bad decisions, but it's not like no one saw this coming.
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| 59 | Seattle Zen
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ID: 055343019
Fri, Dec 25, 2009, 23:41
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Lincecum was the highest rated prospect in that draft. Most teams said he was great but they couldn't afford the price tag.
Nope, that's not how it went down. Tiny Tim got teams concerned because he was short. He wasn't making salary demands.
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| 60 | blue hen @minnesota
ID: 2711102513
Sat, Dec 26, 2009, 15:27
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You are right. It looks like I was thinking about Andrew Miller. Here are the picks from that year:
1. Kansas City, Luke Hochevar, RHP, Wray, Colo.
2. Colorado, Gregory Reynolds, RHP, Stanford
3. Tampa Bay, Evan Longoria, 3B, Long Beach St.
4. Pittsburgh, Brad Lincoln, RHP, Houston.
5. Seattle, Brandon Morrow, RHP, California.
6. Detroit, Andrew Miller, LHP, North Carolina.
7. L.A. Dodgers, Clayton Kershaw, LHP, Highland Park HS, Dallas.
8. Cincinnati, Robert Stubbs, CF, Texas.
9. Baltimore, William Rowell, 3B, Bishop Eustace Prep, Sewell, N.J.
10. San Francisco, Timothy Lincecum, RHP, Washington.
11. Arizona, Maxwell Scherzer, RHP, Missouri.
12. Texas, Kasey Kiker, LHP, Russell County HS, Phenix City, Ala.
13. Chicago Cubs, Tyler Colvin, LF, Clemson.
14. Toronto, Travis Snider, RF, Jackson HS, Lynnwood, Wash.
15. Washington, Christopher Marrero, OF, Monsignor Edward Pace HS, Hialeah Gardens, Fla.
16. Milwaukee, Jeremy Jeffress, RHP, Halifax County Senior HS, South Boston, Va.
17. San Diego, Matthew Antonelli, 3B, Wake Forest.
18. Philadelphia, Kyle Drabek, SS, The Woodlands (Texas) HS.
19. Florida, Brett Sinkbeil, RHP, Missouri St.
20. Minnesota, Christopher Parmelee, RF, Chino Hills (Calif.) HS.
Other notables:
28. Boston, Daniel Bard, RHP, North Carolina.
36. Florida, Christopher Coghlan, 3B, Mississippi.
41. N.Y. Yankees, Joba Chamberlain, RHP, Nebraska.
42. St. Louis, Christopher Perez, RHP, Miami.
49. Seattle, Christopher Tillman, RHP, Fountain Valley (Calif.) HS.
66. Oakland, Trevor Cahill, RHP, Vista HS, Oceanside, Calif.
71. Boston, Justin Masterson, RHP, San Diego St.
97. Philadelphia, Jason Donald, SS, Arizona.
188. Oakland, Andrew Bailey, RHP, Wagner.
394. N.Y. Mets, Daniel Murphy, 3B-LF, Jacksonville.
433. Boston, Matthew LaPorta, 1B, Florida.
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| 61 | J
Leader
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Mon, Dec 28, 2009, 09:29
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18. Philadelphia, Kyle Drabek, SS, The Woodlands (Texas) HS.
SS?????
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| 62 | Razor
ID: 57854118
Mon, Dec 28, 2009, 10:41
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You can't argue with two Cy Youngs, but I've got no complaints about drafting Kershaw. Not everyone is going to get the best player in the draft, and Kershaw could be Cy Young caliber as soon as next season.
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| 63 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Jan 06, 2010, 18:31
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Yeah, look at Colorado... they could have had several different superstars.
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| 64 | Great One
ID: 5803069
Fri, Jan 08, 2010, 12:30
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Not really pleased with the Mike Cameron or Beltre signings for the Red Sox, as well as losing Bay.
While the defense will be better, their offense will be really hurting. Unless Beltre can be Lowell "the sequel" and revive his career hitting off the wall. Lackey was a nice pickup though.
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| 65 | Great One
ID: 5803069
Mon, Jan 11, 2010, 13:05
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Aroldis Chapman to the Reds for 6 years and around 30 million. I'm shocked that a pitching starved team like the Mets couldn't offer up that much for this potential phenom.
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| 66 | JeffG
Leader
ID: 01584348
Tue, Jan 12, 2010, 15:33
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A buddy of mine met Brian Cashman at a Bobby Valentine charity event yesterday and of course my buddy peppered Cashman with questions about the Yankee 'left field situation'. Cashman replied that the way they are planning it, Granderson would be playing left (not center) and Brett Gardiner would be the full time centerfielder.
You heard it here first.
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| 67 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Jan 14, 2010, 10:33
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Marlins get in trouble for not spending. Not bad.
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| 68 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Jan 26, 2010, 19:16
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Ben Sheets signs with Oakland. One year, ten mill.
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| 69 | Seattle Zen
ID: 1410391215
Tue, Jan 26, 2010, 19:33
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Ben Sheets signs with Oakland
Hey, Ben, let me introduce you to your training room teammate Eric Chavez. You two will get to know each other real well this year...
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| 70 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Feb 12, 2010, 09:50
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Frank Thomas retired.
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