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0 Subject: RIBC 2010: Getting started

Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Thu, Feb 18, 2010, 14:13

I have sent out 16 invitations for the 2010 RotoGuru Invitational Baseball Challenge. Everybody who was invited has responded with a commitment to play, except for Bash Brothers (last year's RIBC Champion) – who has not yet replied.

As background, the RIBC invitations went to the top 6 in last year’s RIBC (excluding me), plus the top three teams in each of the two AAA leagues, plus the winner of each of two AA leagues, plus me. That makes 15 teams. Of the two 4th place finishers in the AAA leagues, I selected the one who finished closest to third place to fill the final spot.

Here are the 16 managers in the 2010 RIBC:
Bash Brothers (pending acceptance)
filthy
Holt
Dave R
Species
JL
Tosh
Tequila
JeffG
slackjawed yokels
TD
MBT
loki
Tilt2 111
Goldcoach
Guru

A separate thread will be set up shortly to begin the process of filling Qualifying Leagues.

The first regular season MLB game is not until April 4. Typically, the draft requires 15-16 days, so I expect to start the draft on March 15 or thereabouts. To the best of your ability, plan accordingly.

I’ll post a recap of last year’s rules and settings shortly. I don’t think we have a need to change any rules for this year – but let me defer on that for the moment. I expect to use Yahoo as the hosting system once again.
1Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Feb 19, 2010, 16:04
Bash Brothers has declined the invitation to defend his title, citing a concern that he won't have the time to devote to it this year.

Consequently, I have invited Uptown Bombers, the next in line from last year's RIBC, to fill that spot - and he has accepted. So we are now full.
2Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Mar 01, 2010, 11:27
I'm finally getting started in the setup of the league and draft. You will each be getting registration instructions via email soon.

Here are the league settings at Yahoo:
League Name: RotoGuru Inv Baseball Chall.
Custom League URL: http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/league/ribc
Season Type: Full
Draft Type: Offline Draft
Max Teams: 16
Scoring Type: Rotisserie
Player Universe: All baseball
New Players Become Available: As soon as Yahoo! adds them
Max Moves: No maximum
Max Trades: No maximum
Trade Reject Time: 1
Trade End Date: August 29, 2010
Waiver Time: 2 days
Waiver Type: Continual rolling list
Can't Cut List Provider: None
Trade Review: Commissioner
Post Draft Players: Follow Waiver Rules
Max Games Played: 162
Max Innings Pitched: 1350
Weekly Deadline: Daily - Today
Start Scoring on: Sunday, Apr 4
Roster Positions: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, CI, MI, OF, OF, OF, OF, Util, SP, RP, P, P, P, P, P, P, P, BN, BN, BN, BN
Batters Stat Categories: Runs (R), Runs Batted In (RBI), Stolen Bases (SB), On-base Percentage (OBP), Slugging Percentage (SLG)
Pitchers Stat Categories: Wins (W), Saves (SV), Strikeouts (K), Earned Run Average (ERA), (Walks + Hits)/ Innings Pitched (WHIP)
3Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Mar 01, 2010, 11:30
Interestingly, Yahoo offered an option this year for same day roster moves, rather than next day - so I selected that. That has always been a gripe about Yahoo leagues. Presumably, this means that if you add a player today, you can use him in your lineup today.
4JeffG
      Dude
      ID: 01584348
      Mon, Mar 01, 2010, 12:04
I like the same day option. Accoring to the Yahoo explanation the transaction will not be allowed if the game already started for a player you are adding or dropping. I believe in this case on the ESPN side, the move would still be allowed but then work like the next day option and take effect the next day. Not sure if that means for Yahoo you have to then wait for the next day to make your move.
5Uptown Bombers
      Donor
      ID: 035616416
      Mon, Mar 01, 2010, 14:54
The same day is a good change.

I particularly liked the "renew team" feature on the league invite page, especially considering I did not expect to make it back to the majors this year.
6MBT
      ID: 523302621
      Mon, Mar 01, 2010, 20:12
I've got mixed feelings about the same day feature. Once games start you can't pick up any player on the waiver wire who's game has started which can make planning for the next day challenging if you're someone who looks one or even two games ahead.
7holt
      Donor
      ID: 308491916
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 01:42
Are you sure it works like that? That would be awful.
8Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 14:16
A strict reading of the Yahoo language suggests that frozen players simply could not be transacted until the following day, rather than having those moves deferred until the following day.

If so, it would suck to essentially be unable to make any roster adjustments in the evening, after most games have started. Maybe we'd be better served by going back to "tomorrow".

Unfortunately, this is one setting that gets locked in once the draft is completed, so we don't get a chance to try and see.

Here is the official Yahoo language:
If you choose to configure your league to allow transactions to take effect on the day they are made, you will be able to add free agents to your roster for the current day so long as all transactions are completed no later than five minutes before the start of each player's game. None of the players involved in a move can have played or be within five minutes of their game's start time, or the transaction will not be allowed. So, for example, transactions for all players who play at 4:30 pm PT must be completed by 4:25 pm PT.
Let's put this to a league vote. Shall we go to same day roster changes, or continue with the previous year's approach of next day changes?

9Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 14:23
Meanwhile, we need to get started on the draft position selection round.

To do this, I will take an alphabetical list of managers, resquence it based on one set of random numbers, and then assign pick order based on a second set. Rather than asking two managers to submit random numbers, I will use an automated system to do it this year, which provides for faster turnaround, better audit control, and no opportunity for collusion. The results of these two random number runs will be emailed to several managers as they are generated. For this purpose, I'll have them sent to JeffG, Uptown Bombers, Holt, and MBT, since they have recently checked into this thread.

The alphabetical list will be as follows:
Dave R
filthy
Goldcoach
Guru
Holt
JeffG
JL
loki
MBT
Slackjawed Yokels
Species
TD
Teguila
tilt
Tosh
Uptown Bombers


Numbers will be generated shortly.
10Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 14:28
First set: 10 11 4 12 16 14 8 15 9 7 5 3 6 2 1 13

Second set: 2 15 12 5 9 1 3 13 10 16 7 8 4 14 6 11

11Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 14:28
Draft selection round order:

1 Tequila
2 Tosh
3 Slackjawed Yokels
4 Uptown Bombers
5 Goldcoach
6 loki
7 filthy
8 Guru
9 Species
10 MBT
11 Holt
12 TD
13 JL
14 JeffG
15 tilt
16 Dave R
12MBT
      ID: 191142515
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 14:30
I'm voting against the change, please keep next day transactions.
13Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 14:31
We can begin this process immediately. For now, we will have no clock on this process, but if we lag too much, a clock may be instituted. I still hope to be ready to begin the draft by March 15.

Tequila, you the the first choice to select you draft position. Remember that the draft will snake, so if you take the first pick, your second pick will be the last one in the second round (pick #32).
14JeffG
      Dude
      ID: 01584348
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 14:56
This morning I sent Yahoo Fantasy Baseball a question asking how the add/drop function will work if we use the same day setting and that day's game has already started for either the added or dropped player. The auto-email confirmation promises an answer within 24 hours. Maybe if we are lucky, their reply will clear things up so we are not voting based on the assumption we are making on how we think it will work.

Here is the link to the contact us form I used.
15holt
      ID: 11272514
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 15:04
Yeah I just want to make sure I can make moves in the evening. I'm guessing that we would be able to. It wouldn't make sense to be totally locked out of being able to make an FA pickup.
16loki
      SuperDude
      ID: 4211201420
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 15:11
If so, it would suck to essentially be unable to make any roster adjustments in the evening, after most games have started.

I would prefer roster changes to take effect the same day, but since this is a possibility, I vote against the change.

17Uptown @work
      ID: 18228214
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 15:28
I'd like to withdraw my yes from post 5, as I didn't anticipate the freezing of transactions as a result. I'll wait and see if JeffG hears back from Yahoo.
18Tequila
      ID: 47253215
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 16:54
I'll pick the first place for the draft.
19Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 17:10
1 - Tequila
2 - Tosh
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
20Dave R
      SuperDude
      ID: 3010361110
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 17:39
I'm in favor of keeping things the same, next day transactions
21JL
      ID: 30241222
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 23:41
I'm okay with keeping things the same.
22Slackjawed Yokel
      ID: 30252222
      Tue, Mar 02, 2010, 23:52
re the vote, I say keep it the same. Decided not to get fancy with my selection...

1 - Tequila
2 - Tosh
3 - Slackjawed Yokel
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
23Uptown Bombers
      Donor
      ID: 035616416
      Wed, Mar 03, 2010, 05:36
1 - Tequila
2 - Tosh
3 - Slackjawed Yokel
4 - Uptown Bombers
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
24GoldCoach
      ID: 2421029
      Wed, Mar 03, 2010, 08:03
1 - Tequila
2 - Tosh
3 - Slackjawed Yokel
4 - Uptown Bombers
5
6
7 - Goldcoach
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16

Same Day
25JeffG
      Dude
      ID: 01584348
      Wed, Mar 03, 2010, 08:24
Question I posed to Yahoo!

I have a question on the "Same Day" roster option since this is new. I understand that we can add/drop players and then have the new player immediately slotted into that day's lineup (provided we are still more than 5 minutes from start time).

What happens if we want to do an add a player after a player's game has started? Will the system still allow that but then not allow the new player to appear on that day's lineup (and therefore work like the daily/next day option does) or will it reject totally and only allow us to make the desired roster moves the next day? What about if the dropped player's game started but the added playerhas not? Will that move also fully reject or at least work like the next day option? Thank you



Response From Yahoo

Hello Jeff, Thank you for writing to Yahoo! Fantasy Sports.

I appreciate your inquiry in regard to Daily - Today transactions.

Daily - Today was previously a PLUS only feature and it enables you to make a player add or drop for the same day as long as that player’s game has not started yet. With this setting your managers would need to be able to make player adds and drops each morning before the daily slate of games starts. Once a player’s game starts you are not able to waive them if they are in a starting roster position until 12:01 AM PT the next morning. Bench players can be waived, but if a player gets injured during a game and you want to waive them you will have to wait until the next day if you had them active.

Players can be added at any time as we automatically place all new players on your bench. If the player’s game is within the 5 minute window they will simply get locked on your bench for that day.

We value your interest in Yahoo! Fantasy Sports. If you have further comments or questions, please feel free to reply to this email, and we will gladly assist you. Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Fantasy Sports.

Regards,
Marshall
Yahoo! Fantasy Sports Customer Care
For assistance with all Yahoo! services, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/



I'm voting NO to the Same Day option.
26Tequila
      Donor
      ID: 5411492418
      Wed, Mar 03, 2010, 09:32
my vote is for keeping thinsgs the same, next day is fine for me.
27filthy
      ID: 591332022
      Wed, Mar 03, 2010, 09:41
8th or 9th when the time comes.
28Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Mar 03, 2010, 11:39
1 - Tequila
2 - Tosh
3 - Slackjawed Yokel
4 - Uptown Bombers
5 - loki
6
7 - Goldcoach
8 - filthy
9
10
11
12
13
14 - Guru
15
16


Species is up.

Draft selection round order:
9 Species
10 MBT
11 Holt
12 TD
13 JL
14 JeffG
15 tilt
16 Dave R
29judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Wed, Mar 03, 2010, 11:50
so by the new potential rule...

I can add and use a player up to 5 min before his game time.

If I add a player after the 5 min window, he goes to my bench (locked) but if I
go to the next day rosters I can put him in.

I can drop a bench player anytime, but a playing player cannot be dropped
until 12.01 PT (3 am eastern!).

Do I have it correct?
30TD
      Leader
      ID: 036331011
      Wed, Mar 03, 2010, 12:01
My vote is NO to the Same Day option.
31holt
      Donor
      ID: 308491916
      Wed, Mar 03, 2010, 12:31
I'll vote yes to same day.
32Tilt
      ID: 3924312
      Wed, Mar 03, 2010, 13:04
I vote YES to same day
33Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Mar 03, 2010, 13:46
[29] judy - that's how I interpret it.

So the only restriction is that a player who is locked in an active slot cannot be waived until the following day. Any bench player can be waived at any time, and any free agent can be added at any time (although he obviously can't start on the same day if that game is already locked.)

It actually doesn't sound as bad as I had feared.
34Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Wed, Mar 03, 2010, 13:56
I will vote NO to the same day.
35TD
      Leader
      ID: 036331011
      Wed, Mar 03, 2010, 14:54
After reading Guru's interpretation, I am changing my vote to YES.
36judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Wed, Mar 03, 2010, 16:03
I sent {29} to yahoo to see if I am correct. Will post reply when I get it.
37judy
      Leader
      ID: 7771722
      Wed, Mar 03, 2010, 23:16
Here is the Yahoo reply to {29}:

I appreciate your inquiry in regard to same day roster transactions.

That is correct on all points.

We value your interest in Yahoo! Fantasy Sports. If you have further comments or questions,
please feel free to reply to this email and we will gladly assist you.

Thank you again for contacting Yahoo! Fantasy Sports.

Regards,

Marshall
38Species
      ID: 57932516
      Thu, Mar 04, 2010, 10:35
1 - Tequila
2 - Tosh
3 - Slackjawed Yokel
4 - Uptown Bombers
5 - loki
6
7 - Goldcoach
8 - filthy
9 - Species
10
11
12
13
14 - Guru
15
16

Draft selection round order:

10 MBT
11 Holt
12 TD
13 JL
14 JeffG
15 tilt
16 Dave R
39MBT
      ID: 191142515
      Thu, Mar 04, 2010, 11:13
1 - Tequila
2 - Tosh
3 - Slackjawed Yokel
4 - Uptown Bombers
5 - loki
6 - MBT
7 - Goldcoach
8 - filthy
9 - Species
10
11
12
13
14 - Guru
15
16

Draft selection round order:

11 Holt
12 TD
13 JL
14 JeffG
15 tilt
16 Dave R
40Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, Mar 04, 2010, 15:10
I vote YES to same day transactions.
41holt
      ID: 11272514
      Thu, Mar 04, 2010, 15:18
1 - Tequila
2 - Tosh
3 - Slackjawed Yokel
4 - Uptown Bombers
5 - loki
6 - MBT
7 - Goldcoach
8 - filthy
9 - Species
10
11
12
13
14 - Guru
15
16 - Holt

Draft selection round order:

12 TD
13 JL
14 JeffG
15 tilt
16 Dave R
42Uptown @work
      ID: 18228214
      Thu, Mar 04, 2010, 15:22
After the clarification of the rule, I am voting NO to same day transactions.
43TD
      Leader
      ID: 036331011
      Thu, Mar 04, 2010, 16:24
1 - Tequila
2 - Tosh
3 - Slackjawed Yokel
4 - Uptown Bombers
5 - loki
6 - MBT
7 - Goldcoach
8 - filthy
9 - Species
10
11
12
13
14 - Guru
15 - TD
16 - Holt

Draft selection round order:

13 JL
14 JeffG
15 tilt
16 Dave R
44JL
      ID: 7219416
      Thu, Mar 04, 2010, 17:19
1 - Tequila
2 - Tosh
3 - Slackjawed Yokel
4 - Uptown Bombers
5 - loki
6 - MBT
7 - Goldcoach
8 - filthy
9 - Species
10 - JL
11
12
13
14 - Guru
15 - TD
16 - Holt

Draft selection round order:

14 JeffG
15 tilt
16 Dave R
45JeffG
      ID: 5720419
      Thu, Mar 04, 2010, 20:00
On blackberry... 11 please
46JL
      ID: 35244419
      Thu, Mar 04, 2010, 20:44
1 - Tequila
2 - Tosh
3 - Slackjawed Yokel
4 - Uptown Bombers
5 - loki
6 - MBT
7 - Goldcoach
8 - filthy
9 - Species
10 - JL
11 - JeffG
12
13
14 - Guru
15 - TD
16 - Holt

Draft selection round order:


15 tilt
16 Dave R
47Tilt
      ID: 28226421
      Thu, Mar 04, 2010, 22:27
1 - Tequila
2 - Tosh
3 - Slackjawed Yokel
4 - Uptown Bombers
5 - loki
6 - MBT
7 - Goldcoach
8 - filthy
9 - Species
10 - JL
11 - JeffG
12 - Tilt
13 - Dave R
14 - Guru
15 - TD
16 - Holt

48Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Mar 05, 2010, 09:49
I'm not keen about Dave R getting to snag the top guy on my list in the odd rounds, but I'll bet I return the favor a few times in the other direction!
49Dave R
      SuperDude
      ID: 3010361110
      Fri, Mar 05, 2010, 14:52
I'm just shocked I didn't end up with pick 16
50Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Mar 08, 2010, 20:42
I want to confirm the vote tally on the issue of same day vs. next day transactions.

Here's what I think people have voted:

For same day (5): Holt, Species, TD, tilt, Goldcoach
For next day (8): Dave R, JL, Tosh, Tequila, JeffG, MBT, loki, Uptown
No vote (3): filthy, Yokel, Guru

If this is correct, then it looks like we'll stick with the same approach as in prior years. But I want to make sure that I tallied the votes correctly, and that everyone who has an opinion has weighed in.
51JeffG
      ID: 47112621
      Mon, Mar 08, 2010, 21:01
My NO was very unsure. My intra-office league voted to try it, and as Guru explained in [33] it is only active players you cannot drop once their games started until the next day. I did use ESPN last year and did like where you could pick up players in the AM, so I'm kinda I'd like to flip flop to YES.
52Slackjawed Yokel
      ID: 32220823
      Tue, Mar 09, 2010, 00:20
In my post 22, I kind of voted to keep it the same. And I think I'll stick with that even with the clarification from yahoo.
53MBT
      ID: 191142515
      Thu, Mar 11, 2010, 12:58
I just need a little clarification on our start date. Guru's initial post says we'll start around the 15th, is that still a go or could we open up the draft a couple of days early? My kids are on spring break the last week of March and I'm trying to plan accordingly in case I need to arrange for someone to cover for me the last day or two of the draft.

Thanks
54Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Mar 11, 2010, 14:03
I will plan to activate the draft this weekend. The clock will not start until Monday (3/15), however. The primary purpose of activating the draft early is to allow people to set up queues. However, once it is activated, managers are welcome to start drafting. They should not feel compelled to draft until Monday, however.

I'll start a draft discussion thread when the draft is activated.
55Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Mar 11, 2010, 14:17
[50-52] It sounds like we have 8 votes for next day, 7 for same day (including me), and filthy has yet to vote.

Unless we have a majority opt for change (i.e., same day), we'll stick with next day. But we don't need to make a final decision until the draft results are entered. So if there are other changes of opinion, it's not too late.



56filthy
      ID: 591332022
      Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 13:00
i like next day. sorry for the delay.
57loki
      SuperDude
      ID: 4211201420
      Fri, Mar 12, 2010, 17:30
RE:55-My vote is changed to same day transactions.
58holt
      Donor
      ID: 308491916
      Sat, Mar 13, 2010, 16:58
Sorry for the flip flop but I want to change my vote to next day transactions. I guess I didn't thoroughly read the rule clarification.

I don't want to be in a position where I have a closer go down to season ending injury during a game and then I'm forced to cut a useful player on my bench so I canpick up the closers replacement. I absolutely want to be able to cut an injured player during the game. Otherwise I'll lose my mind.
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