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Subject: Any interest in an all 4 sports dynasty league?
Posted by: wazaaap_guy
- [276492614] Mon, Jul 26, 2010, 15:49
We'd have 1 giant draft in like August, where you draft a full roster for all 4 sports. Throughout the course of the league, you could trade across sports, at any time of the year. I think it would be a lot of fun to debate whether to draft Durant or AP with the first overall pick, and whether to trade a Stud RB for a Stud PG. And yes, I heard this mentioned on an ESPN podcast, but I still think its a terrific idea. Any interest? |
| 1 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Mon, Jul 26, 2010, 16:17
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I wish I would have the time to dedicate to something like this. It sounds like it could be one of the most interesting fantasy sports leagues ever. I just don't know enough about basketball & football. Aside from the administrative nightmare (but if somebody else is willing to do that, what do I care!!!).
Good luck. I hope you guys get it. I'm intrigued, but don't have the energy.
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| 2 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 276492614
Mon, Jul 26, 2010, 16:20
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I'll take care of the administrative duties. I spend way too much time thinking about fantasy sports as is... what's another couple of hours a day?
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| 3 | Toral
ID: 526301920
Mon, Jul 26, 2010, 16:24
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Why would you want to draft all 4 sports at the same time, rather than each in its season? I realize across-sport trading would be hampered early if the 4 drafts were staggered, but this is a long-term project isn't it? so better to get it started right. If you started with football you'd have 3 of the 4 done over 4 months anyway.
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| 4 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 276492614
Mon, Jul 26, 2010, 16:27
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The initial draft would be to fill all your rosters... which would be the novelty of it. With the first pick, you could take Durant or Adrian Peterson. It would be a lot of work but only a one-time thing... every subsequent year, you'd have nearly the same roster and have a 2 round rookie draft maybe.
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| 5 | Toral
ID: 526301920
Mon, Jul 26, 2010, 16:30
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Ah...didn't get that, sorry. So you could tank baseball to stud up in hockey, for example....
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| 6 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 276492614
Mon, Jul 26, 2010, 16:32
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Yea you could draft heavily in hockey and not baseball... or trade your baseball studs for hockey studs somewhere along the line. Lots of different strategies would undoubtedly emerge. Thoughs on participating, Toral?
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| 7 | Toral
ID: 526301920
Mon, Jul 26, 2010, 16:36
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I would be interested...but there's a lot of space between "interested" and actually signing up. I (and anybody else) would have to be satisfied with the scoring formats, rules, etc., in all 4 leagues.
Here's a suggestion...a giant draft this August would go off in what may be the heaviest fantasy period of the year. Why not schedule the initial draft for the lightest period of the fantasy year...not completely sure when that is but possibilities are right after the NFL playoffs or after the Super Bowl.
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| 8 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 276492614
Mon, Jul 26, 2010, 16:41
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But it makes most sense to do it now, right before football, basketball, and hockey start. This way we are closest to the start of 3 leagues, and only drafting well in advance of 1. Thus, the information we have now for 3/4 leagues is more current than it will be if we do the draft in, say, January... nearly 8 months in advance of 3/4 leagues.
Of course, if we get 10-12 interested managers, we'll discuss everything and decide on parameters (and an entry fee?) that everyone is comfortable with.
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| 9 | skinneej
Leader
ID: 040625911
Mon, Jul 26, 2010, 17:16
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Hmmm...I may be interested in that, but could we make the 4th sport something I actually watch? (not NHL) Maybe WSOP: I take Phil Ivey with my first pick!
I would probably look for a co-manager on the two sports I am least interested in - hockey and baseball. I will check with fellow gurupie managers in the current NOquitters league as well. We are finishing up an 8 year run of a 3 sport league with the NFL and NBA this fall.
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| 10 | Great One
ID: 47515621
Mon, Jul 26, 2010, 21:03
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I think your biggest problem is hockey, which i enjoyed playing, but after winning a couple leagues I don't really want to play again, I want to end on a high note. I just don't need another sport that I have to follow day to day. And I'm sure for most its last in line of the 4. How bout wrestling!? :0
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| 11 | R9
ID: 2854239
Mon, Jul 26, 2010, 21:54
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Sounds interesting, but I agree with the logistics issues. Would be nice if a major website could run this for us, but the idea of trying to interconnect 4 different league pages in my mind is kinda nuts.
Also like others, I'm only really knowledgable of two sports. I COULD team up with skinneej, as baseball and hockey are all I know. ;) But I think the concept is alot more fun if its really one manager per team.
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| 12 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 24501323
Mon, Jul 26, 2010, 22:36
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Not really sure why we'd have to connect the league pages... each league would run separately, and if we all used the same team name for each sport we could easily identify each other's teams... then we'd maybe just need a google docs page that lists everything together?
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| 13 | Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Jul 27, 2010, 12:08
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It sounds interesting. I would probably tank Basketball every year because I'm not super knowledgeable about that, but the Football/Baseball/Hockey part would definitely be fun. I think 10-12 managers would be a good start for something like this.
Scoring format: Does anyone have a problem with RIxC leagues? They are pretty well proven and for this format you'd want/have to include all players like IDP for football. I know the baseball league is a lot bigger than 12 managers, and football and basketball are close to that size. Maybe you'd have to adjust a little bit with the baseball rosters?
How many years are you thinking of this dynasty lasting?
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| 14 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Tue, Jul 27, 2010, 12:13
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This is something that I had thought about before and seems pretty interesting. Except that i know nothing about hockey.
One question, how would you score the league? Would it be 4 different leagues really which just shared the draft? Or would it be a large roto or points based thing where there was 1 overall winner? With the first option, you likely see people give up on sports as if you try to be good at all 4 then you are likely just average. This would encourage people to just draft for one or two sports whereas ignoring the other 2. This is a plus as it is a way to makeup for not knowing a sport (I don't know hockey, I don't draft it), but a negative because you really just have 4-6 people playing for each sport and changes the draft as it becomes more people just picking for there sport instead of analyzing Pujols/CJ/Durant/Crosby?
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| 15 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Tue, Jul 27, 2010, 12:17
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I think the best bet would be to have a each sport be H2H either roto or points based, based on sport and then add that together to record for all sports for the year. Football would have to count double or something to make up for less weeks and roto sports result in a 1-0 win instead of 6-3 etc. One problem is that this does not tailor itself to playoffs at all and many people will be out before baseball even starts.
Also, I would think you would not include IDP just to keep things as simple as possible. We are already talking 100 person rosters and with people not having the deepest knowledge of all sports simplicity could be best.
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| 16 | Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Jul 27, 2010, 12:21
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My suggestion dpr: Have an overall grand champion based on how you do in all sports. X amount of points for playoff appearances, X amount of points for championship appearances and X amount of points for winning a league.
One problem: Baseball is so much better as a roto league vs a h2h league. You could award points to the 3rd and 4th place teams for making the playoffs and the 2nd place team for making the championship game as a substitute, but I'd rather see baseball as a roto and the other 3 as a h2h. It'd offer some variety to the league as well.
My belief on how the draft would be set up is in August there'd be the monster draft of every player, but after that we'd redraft every league at the normal draft time. It'd be interesting come basketball/hockey time, since they happen at the same time. My question: Would you draft the leagues based on that one league's performance or on the overall performance?
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| 17 | dpr
ID: 552411820
Tue, Jul 27, 2010, 12:32
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I could see that scoring system working that you propose. Maybe like 20, 12, 8, 6 ,4, to award top 6. ideally the scoring system would be so that tanking 2 sports made it impossible to place really high but tanking 1 sport was a viable strategy. This allows people to have a weak sport but doesnt allow there to be only half the number of people in the league to be competing for each sport.
I think the fun in the league is the large draft and with people keeping different numbers in each sport it needs to be kept together. Maybe a system where you keep 20 guys total and then there is a draft in august where we have to complete our starting lineups (say getting us to 50 guys each) and than an additional draft right before each sport where we have a 5 round bench draft. That would seem to work though could be very complicated.
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| 18 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Tue, Jul 27, 2010, 13:05
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after that we'd redraft every league at the normal draft time.
Make it a keeper-type league, where you have to keep a certain number of drafted players and can re-draft up to X number (or, I don't know, 25% of the roster). This will allow for necessary updates but still make the original draft have value and importance.
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| 19 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 276492614
Tue, Jul 27, 2010, 15:02
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Re: scoring. I was envisioning each league running as normal. So if we had 12 managers, and you finished 1st in football and 12th in hockey, you would get 12 points for football and 1 for hockey. So most points win, with 48 being the most you could get. This way each league doesn't necessarily have to impact another, as each is worth 25% of the overall standing.
I am liking the idea of a set number of keepers spanning all 4 sports... I think that would be interesting and we would get to enjoy a 4-sport draft every year.
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| 20 | Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Jul 27, 2010, 15:54
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I'm trying to think of a time that doesn't have implications on all the leagues for an all sports draft each year. August while ideal for Basketball, Hockey and Football is horrid for Baseball since there's still a month of the most important part of the season left. March would be decent, but Hockey and Basketball are wrapping up, but I would imagine we'd be in playoffs by then. We would have already missed the NFL, NBA and NHL seasons as well if we hold this off until March.
An idea if we do an August draft each year: You will retain your players from the current season, and will be able to make adds and drops as you normally would. No keepers may be added or dropped in the season. After the season, your team reverts to what it was after the draft.
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| 21 | Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Tue, Jul 27, 2010, 15:55
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Please note that I was referring to Baseball in post 20.
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| 22 | Taxman
ID: 53382122
Sun, Aug 01, 2010, 08:01
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I love this concept and agree that it might be the best and most innovative fantasy league created. I agree with PD about having keepers, but think that 25% places too great a burden on the initial draft...thus relegating those with a poor/unfortunate initial draft to the cellar for the duration. I would prefer to see the keepers limited to 10% of the roster for each sport. A possible wrinkle would allow the individual manager to allocate total number of keepers for the 4 sports to each sport as that managers decides. Example..12 keepers allowed total between all sports. An individual manager could choose to keep 9 baseball players, and 1 each from the other three sports.
Please keep me on the "very interested" list.
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| 23 | Taxman
ID: 53382122
Sun, Aug 01, 2010, 08:26
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Another thought on draft time. I think a draft that does not conflict with drafts of single sports is imperative. Thus November through February and May through July appear to fit that criteria.
A final thought is that there a few if any that follow all sports on a daily basis. I think it is a fair assumption that 99% of fantasy players do not follow the 4 major sports. For instance, the Guru has no interest in Hockey. I have no interest in basketball. The result being that most every participant will be weak in one or more sports, thus lack of having followed a sport should not be a hindrance to joining the fray. In after thought, a solution to allow unknowledgeable participants to stay competitive is to have short benches in all sports thus allowing meaningful Free Agents to be available all season.
Being in multiple leagues with PD, I'm pretty sure he doesn't follow any sports.:o)
imho..an impressive list of managers have weighed in on this subject.
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| 24 | Khahan
ID: 13126822
Sun, Aug 01, 2010, 10:00
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I think it is a fair assumption that 99% of fantasy players do not follow the 4 major sport
I have no interest in basketball or hockey. But I'm discussing the possibility of joining the league with a buddy in my office who knows basketball. The draft itself could be *very* intersting and may really gimp teams that have multiple managers who don't work well together. We'll definitely need to see the scoring criteria and how we weigh each sport vs the other before we settle on a draft date.
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| 25 | Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Sun, Aug 01, 2010, 16:15
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Put me in the very interested catagory.
I like the thoughts I've read here and would agree with post 23 we'd all have weak sports ( I've never played fantasy baseball) but follow it enough I think I could do alright. It would be similar to roto leagues where I have often kind of bailed in a catagory or two to concentrate on my teams strengths. It sounds like a lot of fun.
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| 26 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Aug 01, 2010, 16:16
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Tax, you know I'll kick your ass in hockey. Again. Bring it on!
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| 27 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sun, Aug 01, 2010, 16:21
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BTW, the "keepers" I was originally thinking of were the keepers for the particular sport from the "massive draft" (or "all-in-one draft"). Say we draft in August for all sports, and our seasons would begin with the very next season's start for each sport. What I'm picturing is the ability to throw back up to 25% of the draftees for one particular sport, allowing for a mini-draft when that season's drafting typically occurs.
In other words, we draft in August, and next March we toss back up to 25% of our baseball players (which would allow for the tweaking of rosters based upon new information for the upcoming season). Then we hold a short draft to fill out our rosters for that season.
After we've gone through each sport, whatever regular keeper rules are in place would kick in.
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| 28 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 24501323
Sun, Aug 01, 2010, 20:46
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I was thinking about this more, and there seems to be no way to ever have a 4-sport draft again. If we have the initial draft in August, right before football, basketball, and hockey start in September, then presumably we would draft every year in August. But come next August, baseball is still going on, so wouldn't it be weird to declare keepers already, and throw the rest in the pool before the season even ends?
Would it be terrible to have straight dynasty teams? Keep everyone and have a short rookie/FA draft before the start of each sport?
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| 29 | Slowhand
SuperDude
ID: 056744223
Sun, Aug 01, 2010, 22:10
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I wouldn't have a problem drafting (all 4 sports) every year in Aug. but then baseball is my least favorite sport. PD (#27) makes a good point about drafting each season as they come up although I'd prefer fewer keepers than he suggests as it makes the draft (I love drafts) more interesting...I'd say < 50% keepers.
I think we could kind of test it out the first year and if we get good participation and trades perhaps we could just have straight dynasty teams as wazzaaap guy suggests in #28.
Having said that what makes this idea unique is the four sport draft and I'd prefer to see if we could keep that.
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| 30 | filthy
ID: 591332022
Mon, Aug 02, 2010, 06:07
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Mild interest.
Could draft late April and only miss part of the baseball season, or get a mild advantage on who to draft if you postdated stats. The playoff excitement could help to persuade new fans into hockey or basketball.
I play baseball and hockey, with a casual football interest and no basketball interest. While August would be prime drafting time for 3 of the 4 sports, if you spanned from May1st-March31st, you would cover 90% of the games played from all 4 seasons. The more you went into April from both ends, the more coverage you would achieve. Preferable to have somewhat of an offseason though, but that might just be me.
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| 31 | filthy
ID: 591332022
Mon, Aug 02, 2010, 06:11
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You could also go with a non-keeper league. It would be cool enough to trade baseball players to contending teams if you fall out of it, in exchange for improvements on the upcoming football portion of your team. Adding the keeper aspect to that would be even funner in my mind, but committing to a keeper league might create hesitance to try this league out for some people.
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| 32 | Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Sun, Aug 08, 2010, 15:38
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If you guys finally get something nailed down I'm sure I'll agree to most if not all rules for it. Please e-mail when we're getting started :P
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| 33 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 24501323
Mon, Aug 09, 2010, 19:14
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What if we just do something simple? 4 sport draft now, keep half the players in each sport, put the other half into a pool... draft or auction off those guys right after the season ends? Then before that sport starts up again, do a small rookie draft?
Maybe have a total moves cap that spans all 4 sports? If we auction the non-kept players, maybe have a budget (like $1000) that you use on all 4 sports' FA pools?
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| 34 | RJ
ID: 177392512
Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 13:39
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I'm with Great One, I would play if the 4th sport were WWE instead.
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| 35 | Great One
ID: 2275057
Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 14:50
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Adrian Peterson or Triple H? decisions decisons... :)
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| 36 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Aug 25, 2010, 14:59
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Come on, who the hell would want Cripple H on their team?
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| 37 | WG
ID: 141432810
Tue, Apr 10, 2012, 16:36
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Anyone interested in this still? Me and my buddies
from law school actually started it in the summer of
2010 and are now finishing up year 2... things are
going pretty smoothly so far... no major snags or
anything and there have been a ton of cross sport
trades.
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| 39 | Toral
ID: 010321615
Tue, Apr 10, 2012, 17:10
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So how is the league going now? Tell us about it.
If everything is going great, why are you recruiting?
Toral
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| 40 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 101414
Wed, Apr 11, 2012, 11:59
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I wasn't recruiting for that one, just asking if people here wanted to start one.
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| 41 | wazaaap_guy
ID: 101414
Wed, Apr 11, 2012, 12:11
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The guy that won year 1 finished with 32 total points... 3rd in every league. He beat out a guy who finished with 31 points... 3 firsts and a last in football.
Our rules there are a bit more complicated than what we talked about here and we put in $100 a team. We found some people (like me) made a ton of add drops year 1, and so were drastically limited in their ability to do the same in year 2. No one really tanked any sport on purpose. Because we did the draft before NFL, NHL, NBA, we saw an emphasis on these guys in the early parts of the draft, with MLB guys falling a bit. Michael Vick went in round 93.
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