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Subject: Oswalt to the Phillies
Posted by: Khahan
- [373143013] Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 14:21
He still needs to waive his no-trade clause, but that is expected to happen.
Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt. What other post-season contender has a top 3 to match that? |
| 1 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 14:29
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Carpenter, Wainwright, Garcia?
Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner?
Kershaw, Billingsley, Kuroda?
Sabathia, Pettitte, Hughes?
Hudson, Hanson, Lowe?
True, pretty happy with the Phils.
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| 2 | Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 14:34
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Buehrle, Danks, Floyd ?
I mean sure Peavy would have been better but that's still pretty formidable.
Phils have a pretty good chance if they can get past the Braves.
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| 3 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 14:43
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Lewis, Wilson, Hunter
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| 4 | barilko6
ID: 266452913
Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 14:45
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Marcum, Mills, Tallet?
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| 5 | RecycledSpinalFluid
Dude
ID: 204401122
Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 14:49
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Larry, Curley, Mo?
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| 6 | Nuclear Gophers
ID: 7115138
Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 14:52
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The Three Amigos
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| 7 | Electroman
ID: 565182111
Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 15:44
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Looks like he waived his no trade clause.
Price, Garza, Shield.
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| 8 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 16:20
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Carpenter, Wainwright, Garcia? Closest
Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner? Lincecum and Cain yes, bumgarner...come back in a few years. They can match 2 but not all 3.
Kershaw, Billingsley, Kuroda? Where's the experience? Certainly with time these 3 have the best chance of stacking up 1, 2, 3. But right now they don't have the time served and 'proven track record.'
Sabathia, Pettitte, Hughes? They can match 2/3. Hughes again just doesn't have the proven track record yet. 1 good year a great pitcher does not make.
Hudson, Hanson, Lowe? Really? Which of these guys exactly is considered in the same tier?
No. Nobody this year has the 1-2-3 punch that the Phillies have. Reputation and experience are a big part of that and certainly some rotations can be there in future years.
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| 9 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 16:21
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What if you replaced Burnett instead of Hughes?
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| 10 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 16:47
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don't sell Lewis, Wilson, and Hunter short. the way their pitching right now, i'll put them up there with any of those trios...
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| 11 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 16:50
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Burnett has a fantastic history...of inconsistency. Moreso even than Hamels. personally I'd take hamels over Burnett any day.
I think Hamels will pitch at the level he is currently at now for a while which is excellent news for the Phillies.
I think burnett will likely pitch better next year than he is this yearbut not enough to put money on it. He can be great or he can be what we've gotten this season.
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| 12 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 17:10
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Nobody this year has the 1-2-3 punch that the Phillies have. Reputation and experience are a big part of that and certainly some rotations can be there in future years.
Mario Mendoza had a reputation and experience too. didn't make him good.
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| 13 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 17:18
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Hey Tree - those guys are well and good (and I actually like all three), but aren't you forgetting someone?
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| 14 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 17:41
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lol. i was just seeing if anyone was actually paying attention.
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| 15 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Jul 29, 2010, 18:18
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Anthony Gose has already been traded away from the Astros! (To Toronto for Brett Wallace).
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| 16 | Bond, James Bond
Leader
ID: 04352469
Fri, Jul 30, 2010, 12:28
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I like the Gose----->Wallace move for the 'Stros. Obviously, it'll get little ink, if any but I definitely see where the 'Stros are leaning in their post-Berkman days. Good move.
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| 17 | Building 7
ID: 229152116
Fri, Jul 30, 2010, 14:10
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Roy is going to be missed. This Astros franchise is going down the toilet. He was one win away from having the most Wins by an Astro. My daughter's first MLB game was Roy's first start with the Astro's. He beat Darren Dreifort 2-1. Billy Wagner with the save. I think that's the only game she's ever been to. Oh well. Good luck with the Phillies.
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| 18 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Jul 30, 2010, 14:25
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Yes, I was curious too...
1. Joe Niekro 144 2270.0
2. Roy Oswalt 143 1932.3
3. Larry Dierker 137 2294.3
4. Mike Scott 110 1704.0
5. J.R. Richard 107 1606.0
6. Nolan Ryan 106 1854.7
7. Don Wilson 104 1748.3
8. Shane Reynolds 103 1622.3
9. Bob Knepper 93 1738.0
10. Ken Forsch 78 1493.7
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| 19 | Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Fri, Jul 30, 2010, 15:06
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Numbers 4-7 would be an awesome staff. I would bring Roy back near the end of his career to let him break the record. At least it would sell a bunch of tickets.
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| 20 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Jul 30, 2010, 15:17
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Like Cliff Lee, their acquisition is a short term rental. He could very well go back to the Astros in the end.
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| 21 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Fri, Jul 30, 2010, 16:14
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Don't they have Oswalt thru 2012?
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| 22 | Bond, James Bond
Leader
ID: 04352469
Fri, Jul 30, 2010, 16:14
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20...but why would he? I don't see Houston being a contender any time soon.
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| 23 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Fri, Jul 30, 2010, 16:28
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Next year (I believe) that there is a mutual option clause.
Perhaps that is for 2012. But Oswalt can opt out of that last year if he wants.
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| 24 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Jul 30, 2010, 16:45
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Wow, Mike Scott was good. He used to be my favorite player.
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| 25 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Fri, Jul 30, 2010, 17:08
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Scott's history was odd. he really didn't become a very good player until he was 30. he was passable, but then something happened.
the year he won the Cy Young his WHIP was something like 0.92. that's amazing.
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| 26 | Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Fri, Jul 30, 2010, 17:13
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I think one year Scott pitched the pennant winning game. A no-hitter. He had a couple years there where he was unstoppable. He was waiting to pitch the last game, when the Phillies beat the Astros in 16 innings. He would have won that game. Still he'd be 3rd or 4th in my rotation with Ryan, Richard, and Wilson.
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| 27 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Jul 30, 2010, 18:05
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Scott had a great 1989 as well. I'd put him ahead of Wilson (and probably Ryan if you only count the Astros years). But I'm focusing on the peak.
And *cough* it was the Mets, not the Phillies. Game 6 of the 1986 ALCS is the greatest baseball game of all time.
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| 28 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Jul 30, 2010, 18:05
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Ack, NLCS.
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| 29 | Bond, James Bond
Leader
ID: 04352469
Fri, Jul 30, 2010, 18:23
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26.....I was actually there to see Scott's pennant-winning no hitter vs. the Giants in 1986. The crowd in the Astrodome that afternoon was absolutely electric.
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| 30 | Building 7
Leader
ID: 171572711
Fri, Jul 30, 2010, 18:47
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Mets, right. Scott was the MVP of that series.
The Astros - Braves 18 inning playoff game is the greatest baseball game of all time.
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| 31 | Khahan
ID: 13126822
Fri, Jul 30, 2010, 19:22
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Red Sox game 7 alcs 2004 vs the Yankees was the greatest of all time for what they accomplished.
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| 32 | barilko6
ID: 446263022
Fri, Jul 30, 2010, 23:26
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Blue Jays - Phillies game where Joe Carter hit the world series winning home run is the greatest baseball game of all time.
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| 33 | Bond, James Bond
Leader
ID: 04352469
Sat, Jul 31, 2010, 00:34
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My 6th inning game winning home run over my brother while in Little League is the greatest baseball game of all time.
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| 34 | JeffG
ID: 47112621
Sat, Jul 31, 2010, 08:54
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Ok, I'll say it. Tough debut for the Phillies Roy #2 last night. 7H 5R 4ER in 6IP.
Eliminating all games I am biased against (Yankees) I'll pick last season play in game between Minnesota and Detroit as an all time great game.
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| 35 | dogga55
ID: 53315514
Sat, Jul 31, 2010, 12:48
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As far as a Big 3, wouldn't Halladay, Lee and Hamels be better than what they've got now? Their record would also have been at least a few games better if they hadn't traded Lee away.
Yes, they were over budget, but they've taken on a bunch of money over the next year-plus, at minimum.
And don't forget Beckett, Lester and Buchholz.
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| 36 | blue hen
ID: 266191021
Sat, Jul 31, 2010, 16:57
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I'm sticking with Game 6 of the 1986 NLCS, and #2 was just five years later - Game 7 of the 1991 World Series (the Jack Morris game). Also on my list:
- 2003 ALCS Game 7 (the Aaron Boone game, started by Clemens and Pedro)
- 1991 World Series Game 6 (Kirby Pucket catch & HR)
- Games 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 of the 2001 World Series
- 2005 (I think) NLDS 18 inning game (the Chris Burke game)
- 2004 ALCS Games 4 and 5 (Game 7 was lame by comparison)
- 2008 All-Star Game (Yankee Stadium, 15 innings)
Sure, there are plenty of others including perfect games, cycles, 10-RBI games, but all of these games happened on the biggest stage and had plenty of amazing moments.
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| 37 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Sat, Jul 31, 2010, 18:21
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Anyone else witness the best inning in MLB history, last night @ Colorado?
Amazing. And all with 2 outs.
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| 38 | Tree
ID: 248472317
Sat, Oct 09, 2010, 20:30
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despite today's game not going like i'd like it to, i think that Lee, Wilson, Lewis trio kind of did alright in their first playoff series, didn't they?
in 3 starts and 18.1 IP, they combined for 22 K, a 0.49 ERA, and a 0.87 WHIP.
not too shabby.
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| 39 | Great One
ID: 367493122
Sun, Oct 10, 2010, 08:41
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Doesn't everyone shut down the Rays? weren't like 3 of the no-hitters (or near no-hitters) vs. the Rays this year?
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| 40 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Oct 11, 2010, 09:58
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No - one was BY the Rays, and another was last year. They were not a straggler in runs this year.
Lee/Wilson/Lewis is pretty good, although Lewis is a big dropoff from the first two - he has a pretty long career of mediocrity before a good year in 2010. But it's definitely not a weakness on this team.
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| 41 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Oct 11, 2010, 11:02
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#39: Yes, TB was no hit 3 times in 12 months.
Then in August Brandon Morrow threw 8 2/3 of no-hit ball against them as well.
BH: You gotta put down the sauce before posting.
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| 42 | Great One
ID: 509331110
Mon, Oct 11, 2010, 11:33
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BH all over this one lol.. no only was I sure they've been no-hit multiple times... I think multiple almost no-hitters happened against them.
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| 43 | Great One
ID: 509331110
Mon, Oct 11, 2010, 11:37
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Thats right, Longoria broke that one up with 2 outs in the 9th - the one where Morrow went nuts with 17K's... Almost again
The Rays had been no-hit May 9 by Oakland’s Dallas Braden (who threw a perfect game) and on June 25 by Arizona’s Edwin Jackson, a former Ray who has since been traded to the White Sox.
Evan Longoria's ground ball single off Toronto 2B Aaron Hill's glove with two outs in the 9th kept the Rays from being the first team no-hit three times in a season (in 9-inning games).
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| 44 | Great One
ID: 509331110
Mon, Oct 11, 2010, 11:41
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Being no-hit for a third time in a span of 81 games would actually have been more of a novelty. The bigger issue is how a team that ranks third in the majors in runs (555, 5 per game) can be so remarkably inconsistent, scoring two or fewer runs in nearly one-quarter of its games, 27 of 111. Or to a different extreme: of the nine games in the AL in which a team had one or no hits, the Rays have been in five of them.
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| 45 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Mon, Oct 11, 2010, 12:09
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Ack, I missed the "near no-hitters" part.
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| 46 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522
Mon, Oct 11, 2010, 12:10
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Another little quirk was that the Rays went a span of almost 5 years (18 straight losses) in Cleveland until a win at on July 24th.
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