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Subject: What Would You Do? Poll
Posted by: Great One
- [3414219] Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 12:18
This is the wrong sport... but most active right now and this is a more universal fantasy sports commishing question anyhow. ____________________________________
A last place team, that has made ZERO moves all season long... hasn't set their lineup and obviously is not paying attention.... makes a completely lopsided trade to his friend. He also fails to offer opinions on why he would make this trade.
Deron, Westbrook, Josh Smith, Stephen Jackson for Devin, G.Wallace, JJ Redick, Emeka Okafor, Ed Davis
League votes to veto and this was my first veto in 5 seasons across 4 different sports. Pretty amazing stuff. 1. Would you have vetoed that as well? YES/NO
Part II An hour or so after the veto goes down, the other teams see he's interested in a fire sale. Mr. No Activity accepts 3 trades in 3 minutes with 3 different teams. He also fails to offer opinions on why he would make these trades.
A. Hedo/Chandler for Westbrook/Cousins B. Baron/M.Miller/Kaman for Deron C. Crawford/Battier/KG for Josh/S.Jackson
My response was... Firesale Vote We are not voting on the individual trades, while they are all somewhat lopsided with studs given away for mid-level guys... they are not vetoable if you just looked at them individually and didn't take in the whole picture.
The whole picture is that team didn't make a single add/drop all season long, or even set a lineup.... and is now giving away his 4 best players in a span of 3 minutes with no explanation of why he is doing so or how he thinks it'll improve his team.
So the democratic thing to do is vote on whether we let an inactive team have a firesale or not. And the 8 teams not involved in the 3 trades need to vote. Majority rules.
RESULTS were unamimous to NOT allow the firesale. All 3 trades were vetoed. The inactive team making all these trade was locked from further trading. Do you feel this was the fair way to go about this?YES/NO idea of Firesale vote among those not involved.
One team who was involved in one of the vetoed trades claims he has a right to be able to do his trade because it was balanced regardless of the firesale portion of the deal. He has subsequently pitched a fit, including dropping all his players.... so I have locked him down, added all players back manually and the league will now manage his team. I set what is his best lineup and will let it go til seasons send. Was this a reasonable way to handle this team?YES/NO |
1 | dpr
ID: 1990714 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 12:37
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The first and third questions are clear yeses. Only the second question is somewhat debatable as the trades are somewhat fair in a vacuum. However given the context I think you handled it correctly. Those 3 managers presumably vetoed the first trade, and then turned right around to try to find a way to cheat just a bit less so that they could get away with it. The one manager clearly didnt care about his team and would accept anything.
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2 | Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 12:48
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Things are easier said than done when you are not involved in the situation. With that being said, I would have locked out the first manager until I could find a replacement and removed him from the league. In fact, I probably would have been more proactive and tried to find out why he wasn't active and maybe tried to find someone to help him out and at least co-manage earlier in the season.
As for the 2nd manager who dropped all his players and rage quit. I would have locked and removed him from the league and never allowed him in one of my leagues in the future. Even if he feels unfairly victimized, the league felt unanimous in support of the veto. My response wold probably be, just hold on, let's replace this other manager and if the new manager might want to make a similar move with you.
Once he does the firesale, I wouldn't let that manager trade whatsoever--regardless if one of them might be somewhat fair. He obviously accepted all offers w/o thought or reason.
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3 | Farn Leader
ID: 451044109 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 13:04
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GO's account is accurate.
The first manager only agreed to one trade, which was as GO listed. It was completely lopsided and even the manager involved knew that and joked about it.
After that happened, 3 managers (including myself) sent trades that were a lot closer to the norm. I actually sent the trade and then told GO that if anyone in the league felt it was unfair that he should veto it. I would have voted veto myself had I seen it come up for vote.
The manager who dropped all his guys... oy vey. He's been unhappy all year with the rules and has posted many times. And then he chose to drop all his guys in protest. Once again, GO made the right decision.
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4 | Tree
ID: 320371412 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 13:19
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i am big on not vetoing trades unless they are collusion. that being said, there are always exceptions to rules, and extenuating circumstances.
this appears to be one of those cases. i HATE when managers don't explain trades when asked - to me, it reeks of them knowing they did something wrong, and just re-enforces why they were questioned in the first place.
as for the other three trades, it seems to me a case of sharks circling a wounded swimmer. they saw an opportunity, and they took it, and i don't know that i would have done anything differently.
but, for the integrity of league, the bigger picture needs to be seen.
the manager who pitched a fit - yea, he clearly didn't care about the rest of the league. that's a true temper tantrum moment, and i don't think i'd want to play in a league with that person anymore.
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5 | Khahan
ID: 373143013 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 13:58
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First situation, sounds like I would have handled as you did with the same reservations.
Second situation, I may have sent a note to everybody involved first saying, "Hey guys, just a heads up, but heres the situation. We're putting these up for a vote. if the league as a whole agrees to veto these, we'll table them until a new manager is found and you can re-propose thm to the new manager. Its not necessarily an issue with the trade itself, but the firesale going on. Lets just hold tight a bit and give everybody a chance to sort out the firesale tactics."
Something like that may have helped divert the other managers tantrum.
But the other manager DID throw a tantrum. I get enough of those from my kids. Don't need them from my hobbies, too.
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6 | Great One
ID: 3414219 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 14:41
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Great point about finding someone to take over, that is a good thought and would have eliminated a lot of this. However this is what I would characterize as a "Friends and Family" league... (he's just a friend of a guy i used to work with, don't really know him). And its a re-draft head to head league (20 bucks each)... so getting someone to take over a last place non-playoff team in a re-draft league would be really difficult. There is no motivation for anyone to invest any time in it.
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7 | Ref Donor
ID: 539581218 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 14:46
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The league fees are already paid. He can get a feel for the league now and have a team next season.
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8 | Great One
ID: 3414219 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 14:47
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Thats true, free to play...
Anyone want to join a head to head friends and family league? we've got 2 openings! :)
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9 | Farn Leader
ID: 451044109 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 14:57
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Interesting idea to get replacement managers but its a Yahoo league. I don't think you can transfer ownership on Yahoo during the season.
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10 | Perm Dude
ID: 5510572522 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 15:02
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Check under the Commish powers. There might be a way to do it, or to boot him and allow a new team.
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11 | Great One
ID: 3414219 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 15:04
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I am pretty sure you can add a co-manager in season under Edit Team Settings. Then I suppose you could delete yourself. But you need to get that guy to do it.
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12 | Farn Leader
ID: 451044109 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 15:22
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Ah alright. Well the problem is that the "old" manager could easily be destructive if the powers for the team were unlocked.
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13 | filthy Sustainer
ID: 568191312 Fri, Feb 11, 2011, 19:23
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yahoo has successfully replaced managers for me before. i wish i knew about it before i tried, but you just gotta email them through the comments or help section. they'll ask for the new managers info and the league info plus which team to be replaced, and that is all you need to do really. simple stuff.
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14 | ¤ Mario LeMoose ¤
ID: 10141313 Sun, Feb 13, 2011, 14:15
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Yahoo!'s Fair Play and Sportsmanship rule, although written for public leagues, can be enforced by custom leagues as well:
1. All league-related transactions will be executed with the intent of improving the owner's team and/or its standing within the league. 2. No owner may drop or "dump" players from their team for any reason other than improving their own team and/or its standing within the league. 3. No owner will engage in any action that may be deemed to be collusive (two or more owners agreeing to make moves that benefit one team, but not the other). 4. No owner will make any roster moves (including waiver claims, trade proposals, etc.) whose sole purpose is to hamper the play of other owners. 5. No owner will take any action whose purpose is to, in any way, interfere with fair play in a league.
For 2011 Fantasy Baseball, Yahoo! has added to Commissioner Tools the capability to transfer team ownership. Insofar as your current hoops league is concerned, the solution offered in #13 above is the correct way to proceed.
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15 | Farn Leader
ID: 451044109 Sun, Feb 13, 2011, 17:07
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Good to know.
Anyone want to manage a couple of very week teams to end the year?
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16 | Great One
ID: 3414219 Mon, Feb 14, 2011, 13:56
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I think we'd have to pay someone to take them over lol... doesn't matter anyway cause that ownership transition thing isn't in hoops yet.
But for next year and beyond that'll be useful.
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17 | holt
ID: 3044420 Sun, Feb 20, 2011, 05:20
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Kind of sad that three owners made trade offers to the inactive guy like that. It's like looting during a storm.
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