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0 Subject: Seriously, no Yankees offseason thread?

Posted by: blue hen
- Dude [710321114] Fri, Oct 07, 2011, 10:01

Like it or not, postseason baseball is more fun with the Yankees in it. Granted, I said the same thing about the Red Sox last week.
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74Da Bomb
      Donor
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      Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 10:30
What team would you classify as having good depth?

They can do Rivera/Diaz, maybe Nunez. The Yankees will be fine without Granderson for a month+, and Arod.
75Mith
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      Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 10:46
Losing Granderson until early or mid May changes them from contenders to non-contenders?

I doubt Nunez sees any time in the OF. But it might open a door for 23 year old Zoilo Almonte, who isn't regarded as much of a prospect but turned a few heads last year going .277/21hr/70rbi in AA.
76Mith
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      Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 10:58
Grandy is a tough loss but Cano/Teixeria/Hafner/Youkilis isn't a bad middle-order while they wait for him to return.

With a healthy Brett Gardner trying to prove he is the Yankees' best option to lead off, I wonder if Girardi is considering moving Jeter or Ichiro up to 3rd.
77Da Bomb
      Donor
      ID: 487112814
      Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 12:01
Nunez played 4 games in the OF last season. Didn't look so good there though (not like he is great in the IF). I do like his bat and speed in the lineup.
78Mith
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      Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 12:22
He's putting in a lot of work on infield defense this year, including a change to his throwing mechanics. He's had so much trouble coming around defensively that it would be crazy to throw a wrench (like a 10 week stint in LF) into his development now.
79Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 12:52
I have to believe Ronnier Mustelier will be getting a hard look in the coming weeks.

Too bad he bats righty.
80Seattle Zen
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      Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 15:26
Broken wrists heal slow and sap power. Don't think he will be back 100% in May, he may not get his full power back until 2014.

Hafner and Youk are on the wrong side of thirty to expect them to improve upon their last two years' performances and even if they don't regress, those two would not contribute to a middle of the order I would call good.
81Seattle Zen
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      Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 15:53
Granderson is forecasted to be a four wins over replacement player this year. Even is he is back 100% when he is back, he still misses about a quarter of the season, so that is one less "win". Since Vegas odds on the over/under has Toronto?Yanks/TB all within one half of a win of each other, and below the second place finisher in the AL West, I'd say that losing Grandy for a quarter of a season could, in and of itself, cause them to go from contender to non-contender... if you buy those numbers.
82Mith
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      Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 16:14
Youk's a bit of a wildcard but I agree that shouldn't be expected to improve on 2012. Though wouldn't surprise me of course.

Hafner on the other hand probably should revert to his more typical SLG of around .450. In fact in Yankee stadium I think it reasonable to project his best season since 2007.

Fortunately Granderson's fracture is to his ulna at least an inch or more above the wrist. So hopefully there won't be a terrible impact in that regard. Still, he'll miss all of ST so full productivity might not come until June.
83Mith
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      Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 16:15
And citing Vegas odds as a measure of production is not very strong analysis.
84Perm Dude
      ID: 201027169
      Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 16:17
Hafner might be the Jason Giambi of the Yanks this year--the occassional fill-in player who knocks big home runs every other day he plays.

The Yanks are desperate to keep Nunez' bat in the lineup, but are worried about his obvious defensive liabilities. If he gets regular playing time at one place this year I would be very surprised.
85Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 16:24
Hafner will be the left-handed DH, not a fill-in player.

Much has been made of the fact that (unlike Ibanez last year - even before Gardner got hurt) Hafner is not taking part in any defensive drills this spring.

When the rest of the team is working on defense, he heads for the cage.

He hasn't played defense in a game since 2007.
86Perm Dude
      ID: 201027169
      Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 16:27
He doesn't have the stamina for a full season at DH anymore, IMO. But that left field porch will be very tasty whenever he does bat!
87Perm Dude
      ID: 201027169
      Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 16:27
oops, meant "right field porch."
88Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 16:34
Nunez is a really interesting question.

He'd be a starter on most teams and I've long said they should just trade him for a similar talent who fits better with the current roster.

It almost seems like they just keep him around as Jeter insurance. WHatever their thinking, they're wasting a good young talent with really terrific upside.
89Seattle Zen
      ID: 3603123
      Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 20:18
And citing Vegas odds as a measure of production is not very strong analysis.

Not quite sure which "measure of production" you are referring to. Certainly did not seek Vegas' opinion on Curtis Granderson. If, however, you mock the notion of Vegas odds used in the pre season to determine who is/are the favorite(s) to win, you would be foolish. Who do you site, Jason Stark?
90Mith
      ID: 1311443016
      Mon, Feb 25, 2013, 20:37
Bookmakers set odds based on how they think gamblers will bet, not on the actual chances that an event will occur.

91Seattle Zen
      ID: 3310162612
      Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 18:31
Tex hurts his wrist just swinging the bat, wow, that's bad news. The Yankees lineups in April are going to be meager.

The End of the Yankees' Evil Empire
The Steinbrenners' unwillingness to raise payroll has made it more difficult for the Yankees to bring in fresh veterans to replace the worn-out ones. As a result, the team has stuck with its old guys even as they turned into really old guys — last year, the offense averaged 32.7 years old, the oldest in franchise history and the third-oldest in baseball history.
92Mith
      ID: 29182720
      Thu, Mar 07, 2013, 19:37
The Tex injury even has my glass looking more than half empty. Hopefully the pitching is good enough to keep them in contention. It would still be foolish to rule them out for the playoffs but they've gone from being a pretty good bet to a team with a shot.

And I wouldn't rule out a blessing in disguise. With no room in the budget to plug a hole or two by relieving another team of their payroll headache, they're finally going to be forced to depend on some of their young talent.

Maybe Nunez finally hits himself into a regular role or at least gets enough at bats to prompt a trade for a similar talent that fits better.

And what other franchise could have a player storm through 4 levels of minor league ball in the past 2 years to the tune of .324/.378/.497 that no one ever talks about? Ronnier Mustelier has 5 hits in his first 12 at bats this spring as he tries to win the open OF job.
93Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Tue, Mar 26, 2013, 12:47
I was furious yesterday about the Vernon Wells trade but it turns out to be a much smarter move than I think most people realized:
Wells’ seven-year, $126 million contract carries an average annual value of $18 million, which is the figure used by MLB for luxury tax purposes. That figure decreases based on the money being paid by another team, so if the Yankees were to split the $29 million evenly, it would leave them with a $3.5 million tax figure on Wells’ deal in each of the two seasons.

But according to a league source, the Yankees are expected to pay Wells between $10 million and $12 million in 2013, leaving the Angels to pick up the other $9 million-$11 million.

That means that the Angels would pay somewhere between $18 million and $20 million of Wells’ $21 million salary next year, not only erasing the entire $18 million luxury tax figure for the Yankees, but adding a credit of as much as $2 million.

It’s still unclear what the exact breakdown will be, the source said, but the end result will likely be either the Yankees getting a small luxury tax credit or breaking even on Wells’ contract next season.

This year’s finances won’t be an issue for the Yankees, either, especially now that the World Baseball Classic will be paying Teixeira’s salary as long as he’s on the DL with a wrist injury he suffered while working out in Arizona with Team USA earlier this month.

Now the question becomes how much Wells can contribute.
On that front, I guess the minimum hope is that he can carry his hot spring into May, at least long enough to cover most of Granderson's absence. After that, I guess he doesn't really have to be much more than Andruw Jones was.

For whatever its worth, his line against lefties in 2011 was .284/.320/.531. Although last year was a complete disaster.
94Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 12:01
Cano Fires Scott Boras
95Perm Dude
      ID: 201027169
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 13:30
Man, every game for the Yankees is looking like Old Timers Day.
96Tree
      ID: 22343212
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 13:43
also, a Tampa game.
97Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Tue, Apr 02, 2013, 13:53
Arod was with the Yankees yesterday but unlike other players on the DL, did not participate in Opening Day ceremonies.
98Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Mon, Apr 29, 2013, 12:46
I believe this was written specifically for Seattle Zen.
99Seattle Zen
      ID: 3310162612
      Mon, Apr 29, 2013, 12:56
Yeah, and I'm certain that Kansas City's and Pittsburgh's starts also mean they are legit. Hope springs in April!
100Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Mon, Apr 29, 2013, 13:44
Springing up just fine in the Bronx. Bring on the Astros!
101Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Mon, Apr 29, 2013, 22:17
Day 1 - Houston 9, NY Yankees 1
102Mith
      ID: 29182720
      Mon, Apr 29, 2013, 22:22
Doesn't that just figure?
103Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Wed, May 15, 2013, 12:43
Hope still springing like a mofo in mid-May...
104Seattle Zen
      ID: 3603123
      Fri, May 24, 2013, 01:11
Hey, can the M's get Pineda back?

The Montero gets a AAA rating.
There is concern within the organization that Montero's offensive struggles are directly linked to the added work as a catcher. The fear is that Montero is now too distracted by his catching responsibilities — and overall struggles on defense — that it has carried over to his hitting and threatens to ruin a player once considered one of the better offensive prospects in the game.

So, the team has decided to allow Montero to spend most of his AAA time as a designated hitter and a part-time first baseman. With minor-league catching prospects Mike Zunino and John Hicks on the rise, the feeling is that there soon won't be a need for Montero behind the plate in any event.

But with Justin Smoak at first, he is TOTALLY blocked from any hope of getting back to the bigs.
105Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Fri, May 24, 2013, 09:52
I don't think Smoak and his 3% Yahoo ownership are a particular impediment for another 1B/DH to emerge. He's got 1600 at bats now and has spent very little lot of that time north of .240 BA or .700 OPS.

Montero's chances at panning out as an all star are probably still about the same as Pineda's, even if it looks like its time to give up on him at C.

Pineda was damaged goods when he arrived in NY. And shoulder surgery ain't like Tommy John. He's currently throwing and they say he's hitting 93, which is 2mph down from what he averaged in 2011.
106Slizz
      ID: 36111511
      Fri, May 24, 2013, 12:37
Smoak...lol

Montero was overhyped just like Hughes. I still think the Yankees can make out better than Seattle on this one.
107Seattle Zen
      ID: 3310162612
      Fri, May 24, 2013, 14:38
The Yankees already have made out better, some guy never pitching is better than wasting big league at bats on a shrimp posting a sub-.600 OPS, no matter what position. Oh, his defense is a net negative, too.
108Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Fri, May 24, 2013, 14:47
If 2012's pre-Memorial Day stats are the only sample you care to view in judging Montero's prospects thats your call.

But I think most people would note that his rookie 2012 year was more productive than any season Justin Smoak has produced except possibly for 2011. And that one is by no means a slam dunk.
109Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Fri, May 24, 2013, 14:47
Err... If 2013 pre-Memorial Day stats
110Seattle Zen
      ID: 3310162612
      Fri, May 24, 2013, 15:04
MITH- you should know we well enough that it was obvious that I am being facetious with the Justin Smoak reference. OF COURSE Justin is garbage.

Last season Jesus had a -0.4 WAR. It only took him a month and a half to get a -0.4 WAR this year. I don't like that trend. Pineda's 0 WAR is far superior.
111GO
      ID: 120252515
      Fri, May 24, 2013, 15:14
Montero first year in Seattle = 500+ ABs .260 AVG, .298 OBP, 15 HR's, 62 RBI, 20 doubles, .685 OPS

Smoak first year in Seattle = 400+ ABs .233 AVG, .323 OBP, 15 HR's, 55 RBI, 24 doubles, .719 OPS
112GO
      ID: 120252515
      Fri, May 24, 2013, 15:17
Their career stats are actually remarkably similar - except Smoak has lower AVG + higher OBP combo like a (very) poor mans Dunn. Montero doesn't walk much at all.
113Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Fri, May 24, 2013, 15:23
He may well turn out to be a AAAA player but his bat has been highly regarded for a pretty long time. Maybe that's the Yankee prospect hype machine at work again but I don't see any reason to think they know something that the Mariners' scouts wouldn't.
114Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Fri, May 24, 2013, 16:10
I've watched 45 of the 47 Mariners games to date this season, so I am looking at more than just numbers. The Montero move is long overdue as he looks completely lost at the plate, and is useless on defense.

He's batting a crispy .167 on the good side of his platoon split(vs. Lefties), and is .119 vs. lefty starters. And it's more than not getting any walks. He has only gotten to a three-ball count in 19 (of 110) plate appearances this season.

He runs like he wearing a suit of armor. You are lucky I can't find the video of his only career triple from earlier this month, because you might pull a hammy just watching it.

He has only thrown out 1 of 24 base stealers this season. And that one stolen base?? The guy stumbled on his way to 2nd base and turned around. Montero threw the ball to 1st base, and the runner caught caught in a pickle. For Montero, that is a textbook CS.

The Mariners have now turned three touted prospects (Smoak, Ackley, Montero) into AAA hitters. They've got a new hitting coach this season, but they continue to deteriorate. I expect the Mariners will be looking for a GM and coaching staff in 2014.
115Species
      ID: 271152305
      Fri, May 24, 2013, 16:41
114: ouch!!
116Seattle Zen
      ID: 3310162612
      Fri, May 24, 2013, 17:18
I've watched 45 of the 47 Mariners games to date this season

It's a damn good thing marijuana is legal here. Glutton for punishment.
117Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Fri, May 24, 2013, 18:22
Well ... when some people get laid off, their goal is to find a new job. My goal was to watch as many Mariner games as possible.

I started looking for a new job by game 30. :(
118Slizz
      ID: 36111511
      Fri, May 24, 2013, 19:24
I'm just laughing at Tosh's rant.

I looked up Montero and Smoaks write ups in Baseball Prospectus and it wasn't too kind.

In short, Montero is a total abortion on defense with moderate potential, at best, at offense.

Smoak: 2nd worst WARP in all of MLB until that last month of 2012 and the 11th worst BABIP in baseball history (min 1,000 ab).

Ackley - it baffles me that he can be this bad!

As Bill Simmons would say, "Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2013 Seattle Mariners!"
119Perm Dude
      ID: 201027169
      Sat, May 25, 2013, 11:15
Having seen Montero here in Scranton, I can also add that Montero seems to have an attitude problem, and is a bit lazy in his work habits.

I'm guessing, until he got to the ML level, he never really had to work very hard and it is showing.
120PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Sun, May 26, 2013, 11:58
Sounds like Ike is about to go down too
121PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Mon, May 27, 2013, 14:16
Ackley just got send down for the M's today, their top hitting prospect Nick Franklin is now up.
122Seattle Zen
      ID: 3310162612
      Thu, Jul 11, 2013, 17:16
Congratulations to Derek Jeter, today he made it 19 consecutive seasons in which he has had a base hit. Unfortunately, we don't know if he will make it 19 consecutive seasons with 2 or more base hits because he left the game injured.
123Perm Dude
      ID: 41661813
      Sun, Jul 21, 2013, 12:54
Gotta give props to Stewart on this play.
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