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Subject: 2011-12 Hot Stove
Posted by: Great One
- [574139] Fri, Nov 11, 2011, 15:26
Free agency movers and shakers... |
| 1 | Great One
ID: 574139
Fri, Nov 11, 2011, 15:27
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Jim Salisbury of CSNPhilly.com reports that the Phillies and Jonathan Papelbon have reached a four-year contract that will approach $50 million.
ESPN's Jayson Stark adds that the deal will also include a vesting option that would make the deal worth more than $60 million. The deal is pending a physical. It's been an interesting week for the Phillies, as just a few days ago they appeared to be close to locking up Ryan Madson on a long-term deal. Those talks fell apart, so they turned their attention to Papelbon. The particulars of the contract aren't known at this point. If Papelbon does indeed sign with Philly, they'll have to surrender their first-round draft pick to the Red Sox.
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| 2 | Great One
ID: 574139
Fri, Nov 11, 2011, 15:28
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Does Bard get his shot now? I hope so. Spend the money on some starting pitching and a decent bat like Cuddyer instead.
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| 3 | Skidazl
ID: 264181116
Fri, Nov 11, 2011, 15:42
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I want Ruben Amaro as our GM?(angels')
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| 4 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Fri, Nov 11, 2011, 16:00
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As a Red Sox fan Im perfectly fine with Papelbon being gone. Its not that he's bad or terrible. But he's not worth the money he's commanding.
As a fan of the Phillies, I'm sorry to see Madson gone and sorry Papelbon is taking his place. Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against the guy. I like Papelbon. But he's not $60mil material. And the Phillies have far too many other holes to fill where that money should have been spent. They should have signed Madson and looked to fill their hitting holes.
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| 5 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Nov 11, 2011, 16:17
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I love Papelbon. He'll be overpaid, possibly as soon as this year, but I'm happy to have that guy on the team.
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| 6 | Great One
ID: 574139
Fri, Nov 11, 2011, 16:43
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So this is how the Type A, Type B free agents are ranked...
how the heck are guys like Darren Oliver considered to be more valuable free agents then Reyes, Rollins, Aramis etc?
Free agent rankings - Elias
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| 7 | Perm Dude
ID: 39961218
Fri, Nov 11, 2011, 17:13
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I guess the Papelbon signing is why the owner balked at the $44 million/4 year deal that had been negotiated with Madson.
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| 8 | Skidazl
ID: 264181116
Fri, Nov 11, 2011, 20:29
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GO, actually, Oliver is only considered more valuable in that chart than Aramis, and just slightly. The list is out of order as regards to their "rankings". It should be: Reyes-77.249, Rollins 76.720. Oliver-72.880 and Aramis-71.978. For the stat categories they use, Oliver was pretty impressive this past year, except for maybe losses.
Not exactly sure what makes Aramis a Type B player, though.
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| 9 | beebop
ID: 34030216
Sat, Nov 12, 2011, 00:26
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For Aramis, is it possibly defence? Thats without looking at his stats, but I read earlier that his D was pretty shocking this past season.
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| 10 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Sat, Nov 12, 2011, 09:04
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Type A and Type B free agents will most likely be changing in the next month too because of the CBA dealings.
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| 11 | Skidazl
ID: 264181116
Sat, Nov 12, 2011, 15:49
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Beebop, I thought so too, but he posted a .953(14E/298TC) fielding pct, compared to Beltre's .965(11E/312TC) and Gold Glove, I didn't think that was all that bad enough to drop him that far.
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| 12 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Sat, Nov 12, 2011, 17:37
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If I remember correctly FA Typing comes from the previous two seasons. So he had a good year this year, but a bad Avg/OPS and was injured causing 100 fewer AB's.
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| 13 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Sat, Nov 12, 2011, 17:38
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"A player can either be classified as Type A, Type B, or nothing based on his stats from the previous two seasons in certain categories, depending on his position. For example, first basemen, outfielders and DHs are rated based on the following categories: plate appearances, average, on base percentage, homers, and RBI. "
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| 14 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Sat, Nov 12, 2011, 17:40
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" Group 1: first basemen, outfielders, and designated hitters
Group 2: second basemen, third basemen, and shortstops
Group 3: catchers
Group 4: starters
Group 5: relievers
Here are the stat categories used for each of the five position groups.
1B/OF/DH: PA, AVG, OBP, HR, RBI
2B/3B/SS: PA, AVG, OBP, HR, RBI, Fielding percentage, Total chances at designated position
C: PA, AVG, OBP, HR, RBI, Fielding percentage, Assists
SP: Total games (total starts + 0.5 * total relief appearances), IP, Wins, W-L Percentage, ERA, Strikeouts
RP: Total games (total relief appearances + 2 * total starts), IP (weighted slightly less than other categories), Wins + Saves, IP/H ratio, K/BB, ERA "
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| 16 | C1-NRB
ID: 564251210
Tue, Nov 22, 2011, 17:11
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Two-time defending American League Champions Texas Rangers sign Joe Nathan to 2 years, $14.75 million w/club option for a 3rd year.
The signing effectively guarantees Neftali Feliz a shot at the starting rotation next season, probably as 4th or 5th starter.
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| 17 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Tue, Nov 22, 2011, 17:53
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Feliz has wanted to be a starter, and if he makes the conversion (like Smoltz, for instance) this will give them a pretty darn good rotation, particularly if they can get Wilson to come back.
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| 18 | Khahan
ID: 54138190
Tue, Nov 22, 2011, 19:25
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I'm thinking this a plan to have in place for when they can't get Wilson to come back.
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| 19 | Seattle Zen
Leader
ID: 055343019
Tue, Nov 22, 2011, 22:13
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Texas Rangers sign Joe Nathan to 2 years, $14.75 million
I think that's a lot of money for an old guy who didn't impress anyone after returning from Tommy John.
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| 20 | C1-NRB
ID: 23781518
Tue, Nov 22, 2011, 23:27
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I'm thinking this a plan to have in place for when they can't get Wilson to come back.
I don't think they really want Wilson back, not at the price he'll demand, anyway. They expect to make a play for Japanese RHP Yu Darvish when the Nippon Ham Fighters puts him on the market. I always liked that name. I like to say it Nippon "HamFighters" even though it's Nippon Ham "Fighters." It would be like saying New "YorkYankees" or Tampa "BayRays," but I digress...
I think that's a lot of money for an old guy who didn't impress anyone after returning from Tommy John.
I do, too. But supposedly the Ranger's scouts liked the way his slider was rounding into form in his later outings. Word is he signed with the Rangers for less than he was offered by a couple of other teams, including Minnesota.
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| 21 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Wed, Nov 23, 2011, 12:51
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Yu Darvish about 50/50 from jumping to MLB?
Wonder what the over/under is for the Red Sox to make an offer, after their experiences with Dice K.
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| 22 | Mith
ID: 23217270
Thu, Nov 24, 2011, 13:49
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Including the posting fee, Im not sure Darvish will come any more cheaply than Wilson.
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| 23 | Seattle Zen
ID: 10732616
Thu, Dec 08, 2011, 13:47
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Wow, Angles make a splash!
C.J. Wilson joined the Los Angeles Angels' rotation Thursday, bolting the Rangers to agree to a five-year, $77.5 million deal with Texas' biggest division rival.
Oh, yeah, they inked some guy named Albert, too...
Three-time NL MVP Albert Pujols agreed Thursday to a $254 million, 10-year contract with the Los Angeles Angels.
I always thought that it would take a 10 year $250 million contract to sign Albert and I will never understand why the Cardinals didn't offer it to him. I think Albert will be great in Anaheim and earn his salary in 7 of those ten years.
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| 24 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Thu, Dec 08, 2011, 13:50
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From the rumblings before the season, I thought Pujols was planning to leave St. Louis anyway. I thought maybe the WS would change that, but I guess not.
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| 25 | beastiemiked
ID: 67181118
Fri, Dec 09, 2011, 23:23
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I really doubt Pujols will be earning his keep when he's 39. He already has health issues and look at how guys like Arod and Griffey aged. It makes a ton more sense for an AL team to take a chance on him since he can just DH the last 5 years.
I was kinda sad to see him go but figured he was gone when he didn't insta sign in the offseason. Cards management made the right move for the franchise even though it's going to be really hard to accept that the next 3-5 years.
Pujols whole mantra of "I just want to win" is complete crap. Dude should've just owned up to the fact that he didn't feel like the Cards stepped up the offer enough. Most smart Stl fans wouldn't have faulted him for bolting with more money on the table but don't say you did it because you want to win.
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| 26 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Dec 10, 2011, 20:43
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The only reason these guys want more money is to feed their enormous egos. Pujols has to have the richest one available.
That said, he'll be a DH in 3 years.
Why on earth did the new CBA not equalize the DH rules for both leagues? It is a huge "recruiting" handicap for the NL teams not to mention during the post season play. Now if you are an older hitter, you almost have to go to the DH to finish up your career -- Jim Thome excepted...
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| 27 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sat, Dec 10, 2011, 20:44
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Rumor
Braun used PEDS...
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| 28 | Tree
ID: 41512710
Sat, Dec 10, 2011, 22:54
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wow on the Braun story. that could have huge repercussions in the fantasy world.
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| 29 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Sun, Dec 11, 2011, 00:29
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Only for those who have him. :)
We'll see what the second test says.
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| 30 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Wed, Dec 14, 2011, 16:56
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Me no like
Boston trade Lowrie + to houston for Melancanon.
Would much rather have Lowrie off the bench or as a backup in case of injuries...which seems to be common in Boston.
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| 31 | C1-NRB
ID: 23781518
Tue, Dec 20, 2011, 01:57
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Allow myself to quote, uh, myself:
They (Texas Rangers) expect to make a play for Japanese RHP Yu Darvish when the Nippon Ham Fighters puts him on the market.
Now they just have to sign him... I'm excited to see where this goes.
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| 32 | Mith
ID: 23217270
Tue, Dec 20, 2011, 10:57
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$51.7m. Slightly more than the Red Sox bid for Matsuzaka. I'd love to know how much they beat the next bid by.
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| 33 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Tue, Dec 20, 2011, 11:45
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Man, what would the landscape of baseball look like if more players thought and acted like Jimmy Rollins when it comes to signing as a free agent?
I've always like Jimmy Rollins. But I have even more respect for him now. He not only talked the talk about 'winning is important and money is second' but he walked the walked.
Welcome back to the Phillies, Jimmy. I'll be glad to stop by the stadium and see you manning SS again.
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| 34 | C1-NRB
ID: 451120913
Wed, Jan 18, 2012, 17:06
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Texas Rangers Executive VP of Communications John Blake tweets Yu Darvish agrees to 6 years for $60 million.
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| 35 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Tue, Jan 24, 2012, 19:35
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Fielder!
I, for one, think this is a decent move by Detroit. They've locked up a power hitting DH/1B for about the balance of his career, in a park that is only slightly less of a hitters park than where he left. Because he's in the AL they can put him at DH. With Miguel Cabrera, the Tigers might now have the best hitting corner player due in the AL.
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| 36 | Mith
ID: 23217270
Tue, Jan 24, 2012, 21:57
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Creates a problem when VMart returns. 3 offensive players who can only play 1b and DH.
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| 37 | Great One
ID: 36214199
Tue, Jan 24, 2012, 22:47
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I was thinking the same as MITH
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| 38 | Da Bomb
Donor
ID: 487112814
Tue, Jan 24, 2012, 23:34
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Cabrera is moving back to 3rd.
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| 39 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Wed, Jan 25, 2012, 02:14
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Not so much of a problem if VMart misses the whole season, MITH.
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| 40 | Mith
ID: 23217270
Wed, Jan 25, 2012, 08:29
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Not this year, no. And not at all if Cabrera can play a passable 3rd base. But Martinez is signed through 2014 and won't be very tradable coming off a year spent rehabbing an ACL surgerry.
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| 41 | biliruben
ID: 59551120
Wed, Jan 25, 2012, 08:54
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And Seattle and LA let out a collective pftttt!
Prince is going hit 55 in Detroit if he stays healthy. Can't pitch around him much in that lineup.
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| 42 | Great One
ID: 13046197
Wed, Jan 25, 2012, 09:16
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Cabrera can't handle 3B unfortunately.
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| 43 | Seattle Zen
Leader
ID: 055343019
Wed, Jan 25, 2012, 10:24
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VMart is the Bizzaro Biggio and will play second base in 2013, bank it!
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| 44 | DWetzel
ID: 53326279
Wed, Jan 25, 2012, 13:11
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As a Tigers fan, our corner defense is going to be absolutely dismal -- but if you're winning 13-5, who cares?
I think they get 6-7 great hitting years out of Fielder (that would put him at age 34), and if he can physically play first base (even if badly) and Cabrera can physically play third base or left field (even if badly), it's a great deal.
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| 45 | Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Thu, Jan 26, 2012, 14:16
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Would you think of moving V-Mart to left ala Yogi at the end of his career? It would move Delmon Young to right and Don Kelly to the bench.
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| 46 | PuNk42AE
Donor
ID: 036635522
Thu, Jan 26, 2012, 14:30
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The biggest thing as a Tigers fan is to not have Delmon Young be anywhere in the field. Kelly won't be in RF as that will be Boesch.
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| 47 | Kyle
Sustainer
ID: 052753312
Thu, Jan 26, 2012, 14:47
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"Miguel Cabrera will be playing third base. We're going to old-fashioned baseball, powers at the corners." - Jim Leyland.
MLB's twitter account
And apparently defense wasn't part of "old-fashioned baseball"
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| 48 | beastiemiked
ID: 67181118
Fri, Jan 27, 2012, 16:29
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Fielder signing is so terrible and even worse since they already have Cabrera. I guess Detroit has never seen the regression charts of players that are overweight. Of course, I haven't seen one Detroit fan complain about the signing so maybe the management signed him even though they knew it didn't make baseball sense.
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| 49 | Khahan
ID: 373143013
Fri, Jan 27, 2012, 16:44
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regression charts of players that are overweight.
Are you referring to Fielder or Cabrera?
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| 50 | beebop
ID: 34030216
Fri, Jan 27, 2012, 16:50
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At least the contract is not backloaded
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| 51 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Fri, Jan 27, 2012, 17:36
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Tigers didn't get involved until VMart was injured, per Boras.
Sounds like they were going to be playing Cabrera some at 3B anyway.
Glad Fielder is finally making Teixeira money...
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| 52 | beastiemiked
ID: 67181118
Fri, Jan 27, 2012, 18:00
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Referring to Fielder.
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| 53 | Seattle Zen
ID: 4811181319
Sat, Feb 25, 2012, 14:39
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The Hebrew Hammer showing some chutzpah yesterday, way to stick it to the Man!
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