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Subject: Gurupie 20 2012 Season Discussion
Posted by: Ref
- [34731299] Tue, Mar 27, 2012, 11:48
2012 Preseason Discussion
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| 771 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Wed, Oct 03, 2012, 11:44
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Idiot again. Looks like 12:35, not 2:20.
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| 772 | darkside
ID: 44429820
Wed, Oct 03, 2012, 11:50
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I haven't been collecting any pitching stats for several days now, so it's not out of the question that 1400 is a reasonable limit. I see no reason to increase it, but wouldn't necessarily be opposed either.
Good work getting to the top, Toral. Good luck to all three of you tonight (except blue hen, no one who makes 270+ moves should win...you're like the Yankees of fantasy sports)
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| 773 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Wed, Oct 03, 2012, 11:52
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He had to rotate 200 pitchers just to get close to our IP limit!
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| 774 | Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Wed, Oct 03, 2012, 16:59
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That's not a cool move.
1. Because Jacob Turner is my prospect.
2. Because I'm fighting like hell to not be in 19th place and I need every point I can muster.
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| 775 | Bh
ID: 426111516
Wed, Oct 03, 2012, 21:10
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Looks like this one is winding down. Congrats Toral!
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| 776 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Wed, Oct 03, 2012, 23:28
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Well done, Toral.
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| 777 | Nerfherders
ID: 310111515
Wed, Oct 03, 2012, 23:52
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Woohoo! Broke through on the last day and moved up 3 spots. A small victory is still a victory.
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| 778 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 00:44
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Congratulations, Toral! What a second half run!
Not bad for a team that was rebuilding.
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| 779 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 08:16
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'Grats Toral -- a new king of the hill!!
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| 780 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 09:42
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Congrats to Toral!
Glad I gave up all those picks next year to finish 9th this year. A great success! ugh.
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| 781 | Toral
ID: 424462011
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 13:06
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Thanx.
Just a few weeks ago i was coasting along blithely in third, not expecting anything much to happen for the rest of the year. Suddenly the leaders started to come back to me. This was an excruciating few weeks. I made a coupla dumb mistakes in the last ten days or so -- like not having Harrell starting on Monday -- that would have haunted me forever if I'd lost by a point on Ks or something. I almost let Bluehen sneak past me on Ks. For much of the year I was leading on Ks and it wasn't worth streaming lousy starters and risking my position in ERA and WHIP. but then my ERA lead got so big I realized I could afford to, and the WHIP position over Jaydog opened up a bit too.
Guess I can't use the "This is a rebuilding team" excuse any more. I'll need a new one.
Thanx to Jaydog and Bluehen for all the competition I could handle, and to the whole league for a good year.
It was Twarpy who shamed me onto this rebuilding road -- a long time ago now -- by telling me, accurately, that my team, a few years after it had been in contention, was lousy, directionless and going nowhere. So I'll thank him with something he much hated, a Stengel/Berra quote (Berra in this case): I'd like to thank everybody here for making this day necessary.
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| 782 | youngroman
ID: 56523304
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 13:26
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Congratulations Toral!
8th is not bad when you start the season without a closer and a projected shortage in stolen bases.
if Tulo, Melky and Feliz would have played for a full season I may have ended up in 4th. I don't think that much more would have been possible.
at least Billy Butler achieved to be eligible at 1B on the last day of the season. that gives me some more flexibility for next season. I have some tough decisions ahead because it seems that I have too many keeper worthy players right now.
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| 783 | Tosh
Leader
ID: 057721710
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 16:10
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Congrats to Toral!
Interesting season for me, as I evolved the team from a pitching-heavy lineup, to a hitter-heavy lineup. I moved from 8th in 2011, to 6th place in 2012, with an overall increase of nine points.
Unfortunately, the ERA and WHIP tailed off as I got deeper into the season, and my ace (Weaver) didn't do enough to maintain my numbers.
I was almost able to move up a tier in SBs. It was a long haul to get from 18th to 11th in that category. Another couple days and I would have been able to finish in 5th place overall.
Who do I talk to at ESPN to make sure that Manny Machado has SS eligibility in 2013? I don't need another 3B.
Thanks to everyone, and see y'all in 2013.
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| 784 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 16:25
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Third Place Moral Victory Speech
Well, I did finish ahead of Ref, so that's one thing to be happy about. After this performance, I guess I have to be up there with the 2007 Mets and 2011 Red Sox as teams who just couldn't finish it out. At blame's forefront are some terrible decisions streaming pitchers, including a 5.82 ERA in September and 6.92 in 80 terrible innings to end the month. I had only a two-point deficit at about 3 PM on the final day, so I am happy to have hung on until the end.
I am happy for Toral. Honestly, he manages a lot like me: we have attachments to our own players and loathe to trade them away, and we aren't afraid to make moves, at any time of day or night and up until the last moments of the season. For Toral, "his guys" paid off in the form of big seasons for Andrew McCutcheon and Clayton Kershaw. Many of his other stalwarts were great, and quick hands on waivers (Perkins, Garret Jones) also worked well. Of course, that's what happens when you win. Toral finished with 127 transactions on the season, 50 more than anyone not named Blue Hen.
Maybe it's in poor form, but I'm glad Jaydog didn't win. He made fewer moves than anyone else in the league, including teams that were out of it in late April. He had the perfect confluence of keepers, career years, and two fortuitous trades that netted 47 saves for minimal investment. With even a small amount of moves this year, he would have crushed Toral. Maybe it's just me, but it didn't seem like Jaydog cared about being in this league. And that's a shame - not just for him, but for the league.
Congrats are also in order for darkside, Ref, and Tosh, three of the finer managers in this league; good to see you guys finish well. Also congrats to Pete; I have your first pick so I was hoping you'd fall further, but you didn't. Also, good work by Species getting all the way down to tied for 16th after throwing in the towel. You'll be back soon, I'm sure.
From the league perspective, I am glad we are dealing with some of our recent problems. I am extremely excited for the next prospect draft, and I would support an innings cap down to 1200. Great job by the "powers that be" for getting consensus and making real changes to the league we love.
For the future, I am definitely looking forward to dethroning Toral. My core is still young and awesome, and I've got Halladay, Rizzo, and Altuve fighting for my last keeper spot. I am also very happy that I managed to push for this year (trading for Bell, Aceves, Reed, and Balfour, ugh) without sacrificing TOO much of the future. With acknowledgements to Great One and R9, I am installing myself as the prohibitive favorite in 2013, gunning for my 4th straight Top 3 finish.
On a more serious note, I want to say that I love being in G20. This league consumes my life more than any other, and has brought me much joy (and occasional consternation). I want to thank each of you for making this league what it is, and I look forward to beating you again and again for years to come. Good luck to all in the offseason and next year, and Matt Kemp is officially on the block!
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| 785 | Jaydog
ID: 45633109
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 16:49
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Blue Hen -
I respect your opinion, but feel the need to defend myself. The amount of moves that a team makes is in no way representative of someones passion about the league. After the midway point of the year, I was 100+ IP over pace, and needed to back off my starts. I rotated pitchers in and out based on matchup, and with Cueto and Cain leading the charge I had no need to make any upgrades on my pitching staff. Even Volquez, as my worst starter, was fairly consistent throughout the year. No one on the waiver wire would have ever provided any upgrade to my staff, and never had the need to pick up any scrubs to fill out IP's.
I was also very fortunate the health of my lineup. Votto and Bonifacio were my only players significantly affected by injury. I'd challenge anyone to find anyone on the waiver wire that would have provided any upgrade over any of my players.
While not making many moves, I was very committed to the league, checking in every day, making two moves that almost put me over the top, and was a bad start here or there away from winning the whole thing.
I love this league, and will continue to be an active participant, even if I don't make 4-5 moves per day.
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| 786 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 17:28
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Thanks Jaydog. I am glad you responded, and congrats on the high finish. This is telling:
Stats for players with 10 or fewer games played in an active roster slot:
Runs: Jaydog 1, Blue Hen 42
RBIs: Jaydog 0, Blue Hen 31
That gives you 8 more points in RBIs, and 4 more points in runs. 12 more points means you win G20 by 7 points, all because you picked up an extra player once in a while. You had the 16th most offensive games played, right between Allhair (18th overall) and Species (16th).
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| 787 | Toral
ID: 424462011
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 17:45
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To make your point, BH, you need to compare this with the players they would have been supplanting.
Oh, dear, what a rivalry! I'll just have to sit back and watch next year. After all, I'm really just a rebuilding team.
BTW, BH: your bosses's approach to notifying players that games played on the day after the regular season (to break a divisional winner tie) is crap. I scoured the ESPN rules; they do not specify. As far as one can infer from them, the season is over after 162 games. A notice was put up very late on the day before; that notice ought to go up at least 5 games before (pitching rotations).
I suppose it's easy for people there to find out. What a shame that there is no way for us to let people there know of this.
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| 788 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 17:49
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I hear you, Toral. Historically, tiebreakers have always worked this way:
- Roto leagues, all tiebreaker stats count
- H2H leagues, no tiebreaker stats count
You can bank on that every year, but I agree; they should post it sooner.
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| 789 | Jaydog
ID: 4293421
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 22:03
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Also, 20-30 games of waiver wire offense surely would have hit my league leading OBP.
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| 790 | allhair allstars
ID: 4611820
Thu, Oct 04, 2012, 23:22
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Congrats to Toral... well deserved.
Sucks to have dropped 5 points and three places in the standings on the last day, but I should have remembered how volatile this league can be on the last day. Should never have been in that position in the first place.
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| 791 | judy
Dude
ID: 7771722
Fri, Oct 05, 2012, 13:55
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Ah, blue hen
Alas you did not defend... I am glad jaydog responded to your criticism of his low number of moves. Managers employ various strategies for success and if their lineups are healthy, there will be fewer moves.
I, on the other hand, would like to see the total number of movies limited. For a manager to be able to make 288 moves, more than double the next closest team (161) and all but 4 times as much as the next guy is INSANE! bh made 30% of all moves.
The winner Toral had 127 and #2 Jaydog had but 8. From place 4 to 20, the average number of moves was 32.
I cannot believe you seriously wrote this: This league consumes my life more than any other, and has brought me much joy (and occasional consternation).
You have a huge advantage over the rest of us being able to hear news sooner than we do. I would read news on the web and go to see if I could take advantage of it, but no, beaten to the punch.
This league does not "consume my life". I usually check in at least once and often several times a day. I do NOT like the same day drop/add loophole -- yes I consider it a loophole. I do not have the time to check the stats and predictions of every player (mostly pitchers) who are scheduled for each and every day to see what the match ups are. I am often not home during game starts for last minute changes.
I do have a life outside of fantasy baseball. I do my best given that I am NOT glued to a computer with alerts and other information that I might use if I knew about it. I do the best I can with my men and if I get lucky enough (2011) I can do well.
I would like to propose a limit to the number of moves a team can make over the course of a season. While 162, the number of games/team, might be too low, how about whatever the number of days it is that the season lasts from first game to last (I think it was 190 for 2012)?
I think this would level the playing field among all the managers.
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| 792 | Great One
ID: 2431114
Fri, Oct 05, 2012, 14:08
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I think pulling down the IP limit would help do. I bet the majority of BH's moves were rotating in pitchers to try and get to the limit. I felt like I was rotating pitchers nonstop after the ASB and still came up 150 IP short.
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| 793 | Toral
ID: 424462011
Fri, Oct 05, 2012, 14:16
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As long as people are thinking along these lines, i have a radical idea that would nullify the advantages of more-time-per-day-at-the-computer and early-information completely. Please note that I am not recommending it, just wondering if other people would consider it fairer:
-- eliminate immediate free-agent pickups completely; replace them with waiver requests to be in effect for the next day, under a rolling waiver priority.
E.g.; Joe Blow is suddenly anointed closer. No one owns him. He cannot be picked up by anyone immediately. Anyone who wants may make a waiver claim for him, and the highest priority will get him, added to the roster tomorrow. The person winning the player goes to the bottom of the list.
I'm fine with the current system; just curious to see if other people would prefer this.
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| 794 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Fri, Oct 05, 2012, 14:41
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Judy, I disagree on your points, and also on the spirit of your comments. I have very little interest in leveling the playing field. I joined G20 because it was a deep, serious league with serious players. That has definitely changed in the last few years, and if it changes more... well, I don't really want to finish that sentence.
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| 795 | Slizz
ID: 151136106
Sun, Oct 07, 2012, 20:35
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First thing first. Congratulations to Toral on the big win. I know I break your Canadian stones in g24 but I won't doubt you here...lol.
BH - tough loss but your squad is poised to be a contender next year and beyond.
Toral - you're on to something...but it should only go to waivers after the person has played a game...I don't think that should have any impact because of vultures like myself. I try and get those setup guys or potential closers before they're installed as the closer because its cheaper than trading and they don't hurt your bottom line.
My season was a bust. Losing 1/3rd of my keepers was too much to overcome...but with a young nucleus and good farm system I should be able to contend in two seasons...maybe next year with a stellar draft.
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| 796 | R9
ID: 99272420
Mon, Oct 08, 2012, 19:34
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Congrats Toral! Definitely nice to see a 2nd half surge winner. The last few years has seen the obvious contender win (nothing wrong with that either) and its nice to see something different.
I kinda like Toral's proposal. Id be against a moves cap; Jaydog's team didnt need alot of moves, Hen's did. Why are we handicapping one and not the other? Hen's team was hurt more then helped with all his streaming down the stretch. Its not like he proved his strategy was a sure-fire winner. ;) For the second year in a row, he probably cost himself the title with overmanagement. :p
Im really looking forward to 2013. A few of my youngin's struggled really badly down the stretch, giving me some things to think about keeper-wise. Might look into parlaying some of my large amount of picks into some keeper upgrades.
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| 797 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Thu, Oct 25, 2012, 16:46
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Since someone BUTTed it, here's a list of players taken in the 2010 prospect draft prior to Hosmer, in order:
Bryce Harper, Mike Trout, Ben Revere, Martin Perez, Wil Myers, Manny Machado, Zack Cox, Michael Choice, Julio Teheran, Christian Colon, Grant Green, Austin Wilson, Simon Castro, Jerry Sands, Scott Sizemore, Tanner Scheppers, Mike Minor, Aaron Hicks.
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| 798 | Slizz
ID: 151136106
Fri, Oct 26, 2012, 11:53
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I think I was a little early on Austin Wilson...haha
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| 799 | Nerfherders
ID: 161121811
Mon, Oct 29, 2012, 13:48
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I can't take credit for drafting him, but Revere could arguably be the most valuable player on that list after the first two picks, including Hosmer. He steals bases, and that is a pretty valuable commodity in a 20-teamer.
That being said, there's a few guys that haven't had their chance yet and will most likely be better than Revere, since he is kind of a one-trick pony.
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| 800 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Oct 29, 2012, 23:25
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I drafted Hicks.
I remember Hosmer having a really awful year and having his prospect status dimmed. Considering his 2012 season, perhaps that was for the best.
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| 801 | Great One
ID: 512531316
Tue, Oct 30, 2012, 09:55
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Wonder why I didn't have a pick.
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| 802 | Perm Dude
ID: 3210201915
Tue, Oct 30, 2012, 12:17
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Thanks, Nerf. I remember drafting him exactly because he was fast and seemed to have some pop in the bat. You can't teach speed!
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| 803 | Species
ID: 91141520
Sat, Dec 15, 2012, 21:04
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Interesting offseason to date.....first Wil Myers gets traded to TB (I'm mixed on the impact plus or minus for him) and now d'Arnaud possibly to the Mets in a Dickey deal.
I'm leaning neutral move for Myers and negative long term for d'Arnaud.....d'Arnaud gets more immediate playing time but goes from a plus HR park to a big negative :(
I'm wondering if Profar staying in Texas....but as a 2b.....is a plus or minus. Probably minus....but there's just as much dearth at 2b than SS....and I have Desmond and Lindor too. Hmmmm.
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| 804 | GO
ID: 2431114
Thu, Dec 20, 2012, 14:57
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I'm looking to trade for a 2B or SS.
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| 805 | blue hen
Dude
ID: 710321114
Tue, Jan 08, 2013, 12:27
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Wanted to open discussion: I propose changing the innings limit to 1200 for 2013. This goes against our standard of waiting a year for rule changes, but I think it is warranted.
Would like a quick straw poll for the following:
A. Change to 1200 for 2013
B. Change to 1200 for 2014
C. No change
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| 806 | GO
ID: 811442813
Tue, Jan 08, 2013, 13:19
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It definitely needs to go lower, I think most will agree.. is it 1400 now? I would think 1200 would be too drastic right away. Why is the 1200 the target? Is that fairly standard for other leagues? I think we have extra pitching spots so it might need to be a bit higher than default.
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| 807 | mjd
Leader
ID: 501381415
Tue, Jan 08, 2013, 14:16
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Why not drop it to 1300 this year and reevaluate for 2014.
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| 808 | GO
ID: 811442813
Tue, Jan 08, 2013, 14:33
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I think we could definitely go to 1300 immediately and I can't imagine we'd encounter much resistance.
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| 809 | Toral
ID: 424462011
Tue, Jan 08, 2013, 14:37
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I stick with my approach since we started dropping the limit of reducing it (if we reduce it) by 50 a year until there's a feeling we've had enuf.
If you look at the discussion somewhere above there are some people happy with the limit as is.
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| 810 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Jan 09, 2013, 19:32
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Why does it need to go lower?
Weighing the benefits of streaming starters for W and K at the risk of ERA and WHIP is a key element of management in the league.
Nine teams exceeded 1300 IP last year. Three teams basically hit 1400 IP.
Being a smartass just for the sport of it (and to give him a little of his own medicine), the author of this informal poll is plotting in his own self-interests because he lost the 2012 title out of his steadfast stubbornness - despite my excessive recommendations - to leverage his considerable assets for desperately needed in-season starter help. Instead, he preferred to stream mediocre starters.
Not wanting to divert from his preferred strategy, he's looking to lower the innings limit in order to tilt the playing field in his direction.
My informal vote is C.
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| 811 | BH
ID: 1207919
Wed, Jan 09, 2013, 20:07
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Absolutely correct. That's why we're voting. I will do my best to win with any set of rules.
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| 812 | R9
ID: 99272420
Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 00:40
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I vote C. :)
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| 813 | GO
ID: 210411222
Sat, Jan 12, 2013, 23:41
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If we are gonna have way too many IP maybe we should comprably have more GP for the hitters.
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| 814 | beastiemiked
ID: 38255111
Mon, Jan 14, 2013, 15:54
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Drop to 1300.
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| 815 | mjd
ID: 29021169
Wed, Jan 30, 2013, 15:29
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Change my vote to C.
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| 816 | GoatLocker
Leader
ID: 060151121
Wed, Jan 30, 2013, 22:14
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C
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| 817 | Judy
ID: 54203110
Sun, Feb 03, 2013, 10:00
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C
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| 818 | Slizz
ID: 36111511
Tue, Feb 05, 2013, 12:15
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I know its not among A B C...but drop to 1300 this season & re-evaluate next offseason
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| 819 | Great One
ID: 120252515
Tue, Feb 05, 2013, 12:23
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If we are gonna leave it at 1400 we may as well not have any limit. And that's fine. But I think we should likewise remove limits for hitters. Same risks there with OBP.
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| 820 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Tue, Feb 05, 2013, 15:22
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C
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