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0 Subject: Hot Stove Action

Posted by: Nerfherders
- [161121811] Wed, Nov 14, 2012, 19:41

The Hot Stove is HOT!

Buerhle, Reyes, Johnson, Bonifacio, and Buck to Toronto for Escobar, Hernandez, and youngin's.

Torii Hunter to Tigers

Discuss!
1Mith
      ID: 98342014
      Wed, Nov 14, 2012, 19:51
Well welcome to the grownup table Blue Jays. There's an empty seat right over here for you... yes that one with the faded red letter B on it.
2Great One
      ID: 512531316
      Wed, Nov 14, 2012, 20:11
I assume the grownup table is the one where you need to have some terrible long term deals stuck on your payroll. A-Rod actually has his name engraved.
3Slizz
      ID: 151136106
      Sun, Nov 18, 2012, 10:41
Lol @ mith.

In fairness the faded B's somehow got something for the "genius" Theo who got them in the mess they're currently in...lol
4Skidazl
      ID: 19219420
      Sun, Nov 18, 2012, 19:19
My first thought with that trade was to add BBs to my fantasy league as I have Giancarlo as my keeper and now there is absolutely no reason to pitch to him in that lineup...
5Seattle Zen
      ID: 3603123
      Wed, Dec 05, 2012, 00:55
Shane Victorino to Red Sox 3 years $39 million

Decent contract.

I would like to see the Mariners sign Josh Hamilton or trade for Justin Upton, but they never make intelligent moves like that. Both those guys hit the moon shots needed to get over the fence at Safeco.
6Kyle
      Sustainer
      ID: 052753312
      Wed, Dec 05, 2012, 14:28
Nate McLouth signs one-year, $2 million deal with Baltimore Orioles
Jeff Keppinger signs three-year, $12 million deal with Chicago White Sox


As a Sox fan, I hope this is part of the rumored Keppinger/Hannahan platoon at 3rd, and I like this deal.
7Great One
      ID: 2431114
      Wed, Dec 05, 2012, 14:39
I don't love Victorino or Napoli but I do love that they are reasonably short 3 year contracts so the investments aren't like Lackey/Crawford type where they were on the hook for a lot for a long time i.e. 7 years.

And they are both solid major league hitters which is a considerable upgrade over the lineups they were putting out there the second half of last year.
8Great One
      ID: 2431114
      Wed, Dec 05, 2012, 14:40
I DON'T understand why the Sox have 4 catchers now... so a trade of someone (Salty?) must be on the horizon.
9Khahan
      ID: 39432178
      Wed, Dec 05, 2012, 15:31
#7 is pretty much what I was coming to post. I think both are past their most productive years, but at 3 years each it looks good.

As for 4 catchers - Napoli I believe is going to be our full time 1st baseman. Not thrilled about that. I guess he'll spell Ortiz at DH, too.

But no matter what I'd like this line up much more with A-gone still in it. He's my biggest regret from the dump last year.
10Seattle Zen
      ID: 3310162612
      Wed, Dec 05, 2012, 17:30
Mariners sign former Met, a pasty white guy who played college ball in Eastern Washington and is way past his prime.

Mariners re-sign John Olerud, no, wait, they sign Jason Bay :(

Hamilton or Upton he is NOT!

I wouldn't have even invited him to camp.
11Great One
      ID: 512531316
      Wed, Dec 05, 2012, 21:42
Bay forgets how to hit for power in a pitchers park in NY... so of course goes to an even more extreme pitchers park. He should be good for a solid 7 HR's next year. With 6 of them coming on the road.
12Great One
      ID: 2431114
      Thu, Dec 06, 2012, 10:08
Anyone know of a place that would have the HR's produced by a teams infield or outfield?

Like the 1B/2B/SS/3B of the Brewers produced 120 HR's vs. the Yankees 147 etc.
13KrazyKoalaBears
      ID: 24650229
      Thu, Dec 06, 2012, 11:11
The Nationals are done for the Hot Stove Season, according to all reports I've read. Within a week, they traded for Denard Span and signed Dan Haren.

The only thing left on the Nats' checklist is to try to re-sign Adam LaRoche, though all indications point to the team being willing to part ways if they don't get favorable contract terms.

=== FANTASY IMPACT ===
Trading for Denard Span will move Bryce Harper out of CF and, more importantly, move Jayson Werth down to a more natural power spot in the lineup. A 1-2-3-4 of Span, Harper, Zimmerman, and Werth seems likely if they don't re-sign LaRoche. I would expect RBI opportunities to increase significantly for Werth compared to last season.

The addition of Haren will make for a very interesting starting rotation. The current projection is some order of Strasburg, Gonzalez, Zimmermann, Detwiler, and Haren. With Strasburg and Gonzalez surely taking the 1-2 spots, Haren could be looking at a healthy number of favorable match-ups with other teams' 3-4 pitchers. If he can stay healthy, a boost in Wins seems very likely.

LaRoche's decision will have a ripple effect. If he signs, then Michael Morse and Tyler Moore will have to find playing time off the bench. If LaRoche doesn't sign, I think the Nats will start the season with Morse at 1B, but Moore will definitely push him for playing time and possibly even take over at some point during the season. Whoever lands in this position will likely be in the 4 or 5 spot in the lineup and have a lot of RBI potential.
14Kyle
      Sustainer
      ID: 052753312
      Thu, Dec 06, 2012, 11:23
RE 12: Fangraphs has that. For example, do you want to know the wOBA of 2B from 2010-2012? That's all right here. They also have the career stats for
15Great One
      ID: 2431114
      Thu, Dec 06, 2012, 11:31
That's pretty good. Thanks.
16Great One
      ID: 2431114
      Thu, Dec 06, 2012, 12:02
Just had Phillies fans trying to tell me they were ok at 3B and Polanco's been fine the last few years.

3 year averages for the combined Phillies 3B players.
.242 AVG, 9 HR's, 4 SBs, 64 RBI.

27 HR's over the 3 year span worst in MLB at 3B by a considerable margin. Yeah, solid production right there. Sure.
17Mith
      ID: 4310402110
      Thu, Dec 06, 2012, 12:18
Give ARod another few years.

By all indicators the Yankees are making good on their vow to cut payroll.

Toronto's timing couldn't have been better (from their perspective, of course).
18Khahan
      ID: 39432178
      Thu, Dec 06, 2012, 12:48
Not sure what Phillies fans you are talking to GO. Around here most feel Polanco shouldn't have been brought back, much less have him being kept on.
19Great One
      ID: 2431114
      Thu, Dec 06, 2012, 14:42
I am surrounded by Phillies fans and listen to Philly radio unfortunately. They adore and overrate Ruiz mainly... but Polanco is a close 2nd.

I also am hearing how pissed they are that a "future top of the rotation starter" in Worley would be moved for a defensive guy in Revere when they are struggling to find power.
20slizz
      ID: 31124623
      Fri, Dec 07, 2012, 00:31
Re #9. "A Gone" is in decline (look at the past 3 seasons and the so/bb/ops). I think what you saw last season is the new normal for him...the Sox helped their payroll out significantly by dumping him.

Victorino is overrated...but if Angel Pagan is a $10m/year man...that's the market value nowadays.

A lot has to do with the tv rights deals via Fox sportsnet. In some instances it brings a team (ie LAD) $40m/year+ (article was in Forbes magazine at the beginning of this year stating how those local TV deals are gonna inflate contract values...)
21PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Fri, Dec 07, 2012, 16:21
Hasn't it been said that the new LAD contract will give them 125M a year too?
22Slizz
      ID: 151136106
      Fri, Dec 07, 2012, 18:29
You could be right. I wanted to give as conservative as an estimate as I could given I was typing going off the top of my head and typify that response on the droid...
23PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Sun, Dec 09, 2012, 12:20
Actually maybe I only got it halfway, is it 250M a year starting in 2014 or 2015?
24Khahan
      ID: 54138190
      Sun, Dec 09, 2012, 12:52
PuNK, I believe 80mil was determined to be the perfect payroll each year.
25Perm Dude
      ID: 201027169
      Wed, Dec 12, 2012, 18:34
Any impressions of the 3-team, 9-player trade?

Indians, of course, are touting the trade.
26biliruben
      ID: 21841115
      Wed, Dec 12, 2012, 18:58
I think Choo will thrive on the reds.
27Seattle Zen
      ID: 3310162612
      Wed, Dec 12, 2012, 19:07
Don't know what the DBacks are thinking, Bauer is a hot commodity. Didi better be pretty amazing at short.
28Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Wed, Dec 12, 2012, 22:53
What a ridiculous trade by the D-Bags. At least get Francisco Lindor for pete's sake. No defense-only shortstop these days should be worth the potential of Bauer.....whom the D-Bags chose over Dylan Bundy!!

Reds came out well....although their defense in CF is really going to hurt, whether it's Bruce or Choo. But Choo's OBP will be sorely needed atop the lineup.

Indians did well.
29Perm Dude
      ID: 201027169
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 01:30
In that Park, Choo should do very, very well. He has had some injury history, but he's clearly the best trade bait the Tribe had.

31Seattle Zen for Kyle
      ID: 3310162612
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 15:00
Josh Hamilton signs with the Angels: 5 years, ONE HUNDRED twenty five million dollars.

Damn, lots of money being spent on baseball players in California.
32Tree
      ID: 111141314
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 15:04
a lot of money for Hamilton. here's to hoping it's a giant flop for the Angels.
33GO
      ID: 2431114
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 15:09
I feel like its a pretty reasonable contract.
34Kyle
      Sustainer
      ID: 052753312
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 15:25
Sorry Zen, I meant $25 mil per year, guess I forgot that last part in making the link.
35beebop@work
      ID: 211351314
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 15:35
Woah!
I can't wait for next season. See Trout, Pujols and Hamilton in the same lineup. I really hope Pujols has no drop off in production and Hamilton can stay healthy. This will be an awesome lineup to watch.
36Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 15:41
We're up to about 200 million reasons now to not bother spending any money on Seattle Mariner tickets. The only reason to consider buying a ticket anymore is to see the superstars on other teams.
37Slizz
      ID: 151136106
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 16:06
Cosign with GO. With marginal players (Victorino/Pagan) get half that...a player of Hamilton's stature merits that type of $$$
38Tosh
      Leader
      ID: 057721710
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 16:13
The only thing that could improve my spirits about the Mariners today ... Re-sign Chone Figgins, then waive him immediately.
39GO
      ID: 2431114
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 16:18
Seriously. Can I kick Victorino + Dempster to the curb and take Hamilton plus a cheap back of the rotation starter please?
40Tree
      ID: 111141314
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 16:29
Hamilton's second half drop off last season was scary. he's also going to be 32 next season, with a history of injuries and a lot of hard living on that body.

and his career numbers outside of Arlington - particularly in the rest of the AL West - are fairly average.
41Seattle Zen for Kyle
      ID: 3310162612
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 18:26
This signing reminds me of when the Angels signed Vlad Guerrero, another player who the Mariners should have signed. People were concerned about Vlad's health, his knees, but he paid off in spades for the Halos.

The only thing the M's have to look forward to for the next decade is the arrival of the Astros. Say "adios" to King Felix.
42Seattle Zen
      ID: 3310162612
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 18:27
Sure hope Kyle approves of that last message :)
43C1-NRB
      ID: 451120913
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 18:53
I hope Profar and Olt really are all that. Otherwise the Rangers may have peaked and are headed back to mediocrity.
44Kyle
      Sustainer
      ID: 052753312
      Thu, Dec 13, 2012, 19:48
Yeah I don't think either would have been great on the M's and we'll see about Hamilton. Safeco is too big for power hitters, they need to focus on slap hitters, defense and pitching.

As for the Angels they have too much money wrapped up in 5 players. Scioscia better win early or he could be in trouble.
45Slizz
      ID: 151136106
      Fri, Dec 14, 2012, 04:56
They did the same thing with Torii Hunter. Got every last bit of talent out of him before he left. Hamilton will be fine.

Outside of Vernon Wells atrocious contract...those other four players are all signed at reasonable numbers for the next season:

Pujols ($16)
Hamilton (see above)
Weaver ($16) - outperforms that salary considering Hamels and Cain make nearly $8m more/season.
Wilson ($12) - outperforms that dollar figure as well.

Basically, Mike Trout's awesomeness is worth Wells contract so it balances out.
46Slizz
      ID: 151136106
      Fri, Dec 14, 2012, 05:01
C1 - I think they are gonna hit on Profar, who will be a star. Not sold on Olt being a star though (ie Michael Young #'s in his prime), but he could be a solid everyday player.
47Perm Dude
      ID: 201027169
      Tue, Dec 18, 2012, 21:31
Here's one former Hot Stove guy who you won't have to worry about for the next four years and three months: Matt Bush
48beastiemiked
      ID: 38255111
      Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 14:44
Slizz, those contracts are backloaded. They obviously look great for this year but they'll suck really bad very soon.

Angels already have 106 million payroll for 2016.
49Slizz
      ID: 1411201915
      Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 16:20
If they win it all...it'll be worth the investment.

I'm curious to see how the new look blue jays do...
50Skidazl
      ID: 19219420
      Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 17:46
Angels move Morales to M's for Vargas...
51Seattle Zen
      ID: 3310162612
      Wed, Dec 19, 2012, 18:14
Link for post 50.

Kendrys is a switch hitter and left handed power bats do better than righties at Safeco. So long, Senor Smoak.
52Nerfherders
      ID: 161121811
      Thu, Dec 20, 2012, 19:20
That might be the most even, perfect deal the entire offseason. Angels trade a now extra bat for a solid if unspectacular starter.
53beastiemiked
      ID: 38255111
      Thu, Dec 20, 2012, 20:45
I don't really understand it from the M's perspective. Why get a bat for 1 year when the chance of winning this year is very very slim?

I just think they should have traded Vargas for some youth. Of course, it's probably a good trade in that it gives fans a little more hope.
54C1-NRB
      ID: 5410181016
      Thu, Dec 20, 2012, 22:36
Pierzynski signs with Rangers for 1 year

He's no , but maybe they can use him the way they did Napoli.
55Species
      ID: 124591311
      Fri, Dec 21, 2012, 18:11
Vargas is overrated......definitely helped out by Safeco. I like the deal for both teams, with some upside for Seattle.

Where this really helped Seattle was avoiding (for now) trading some of their younger pitching for a bat....for that the should be applauded. Then as Walker, Hultzen et al approach the majors....Seattle gets the marlins on the phone and pry Stanton out of their hands.
56PuNk42AE
      Donor
      ID: 036635522
      Sat, Dec 22, 2012, 19:58
57Perm Dude
      ID: 201027169
      Sun, Dec 23, 2012, 13:27
Swisher to Cleveland for $56 million.

Plugs a hole in right field rather nicely.
58Seattle Zen
      ID: 4811181319
      Sun, Dec 23, 2012, 14:02
Well, Nick need not worry about his career .162 average in the post season any more :)
59MBT
      ID: 101522712
      Thu, Jan 03, 2013, 11:42
Well, it looks like my Cubs are going for another 100 year/100 loss rebuilding plan. With the acquisitions of Scott Baker, Edwin Jackson (4 years? Really?), Carlos Villanueva, Scott Feldman and Kyuji Fujikawa to round out the pitching staff I'm feeling less than confident. Let's not forget the huge splash made with Nate Schierholtz in the outfield. He should be good for 50 runs and 50 RBI in this lineup. The only player left in FA that I'd actually like to see them sign is Michael Bourn to a 2-3 year contract to play center field, but I'm sure our management isn't looking in that direction.
60¤ Mario LeMoose ¤
      ID: 140312223
      Wed, Jan 23, 2013, 00:35
Mike Napoli has avascular necrosis of hip joints

His three-year deal has shrunk to one year at $5 million with an incentive package of $8 million more if he stays healthy based on plate appearances.

Let the countdown to hip replacement surgery begin.
61Nerfherders
      ID: 161121811
      Thu, Jan 24, 2013, 18:48
Justin Upton to Braves for Prado and Delgado.

Gotta love it as a Braves fan, though I'll miss Prado - good player.
62Species
      Dude
      ID: 07724916
      Thu, Jan 24, 2013, 19:54
That is truly unbelievable.

Seattle must feel like dorks. Poor Arizona. Kinda pathetic really.
63R9
      ID: 99272420
      Thu, Jan 24, 2013, 21:43
Texas has to be wondering wtf is up. Their supposed offer blows Atl's out of the water.

Crazyness in Arizona. Bauer, Upton and C. Young gone, Prado, Delgado, Pennington and Gregorius in.

Gross.
64beastiemiked
      ID: 38255111
      Fri, Jan 25, 2013, 12:56
It's amazing how some GM's have jobs. Of course, one of the worst has 2 World Series in the past 3 years. Unfortunately the (baseball) world revolves around results oriented thinking.
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