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Posted by: Khahan - [16341313] Sun, Feb 16, 2014, 19:52

I've been having an itch for a second keeper league since the gurukeepers went under. G20 is packed, poli league is packed. And there are constantly managers asking about joining them.

So I think its time for a new keeper league at Rotoguru.

League Constitution below:

Positions for 24 round draft:

C, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, SS, RF, CF, LF, MI, CI Util
SP, SP, RP, Px4
Bench x 6
DL x2

Categories:
Runs, Rbi's, HR, SB, BA
W, Saves, K's, ERA, Whip

14 points for 1st place in a given category down to 1 point for 14th place. The winner will be the team with the most overall points after the last day of the regular season ends. If there are any make up games scheduled after the last day, those games will count.

Season limits:
1350 IP
162 games played per roster slot for hitters

Keeper Rules
Managers may keep 0-9 players. Players kept count against the draft round they were chosen in. Draft rounds follow traded players.
In season pick ups have no draft slot so they cannot be kept.
If you do not have multiple picks in a given round, you cannot keep multiple players tied to that round.

Example 1: I draft Ted Williams in round 1. Later in the season I make a trade which brings in Mickey Mantle who was also drafted in round 1. I may keep either Williams or Mantle, but not both.

Example 2: I draft Ryan Sandberg in round 5. Via trade I also acquire Andre Dawson who was drafted in round 5. And via a second trade, I acquire a 2nd 5th round pick. I may now keep both Sandberg and Dawson. (however note - the next season if I do not obtain a second R5 pick I will only be able to keep 1 of the players

Example 3: I draft Ryan Sandberg in round 5 of the 2014 draft. During the season I trade my 2015 round 5 pick. I may no longer keep Sandberg unless I acquire a 5 pick before keepers are delcared.

Example 4: I draft Sandberg in round 5 in 2014. I trade away my round 5 pick in 2015 but acquire Dawson who was also a 2014 round 5 pick. I may not keep either. Dawson's draft round came with him, and come keeper time I dont have a round 5 pick.

Keepers are due 14 days before the first game of the regular season.

Manager Expectations
Managers are expected to play a full season. Giving up part way, ignoring trade offers, your team or the league can result in your removal from the league.


Trades
Trades must be balanced against a maximum of 24 players on a given team and 24 rounds of draft for each manager. Outside of that, trades may be vetoed at the commissioner's discretion if he feels there has been collusion or cheating of some kind behind the trade. Otherwise, trades will be assumed to be acceptable and pass after 24 hours unless there is an objection. If an objection is raised there will be a league-wide vote. If more than 50% of managers not involved in the trade vote against the trade, it will be vetoed. Otherwise, it will pass 48 hours after initially being accepted by all managers involved.

Draft
In 2014 the draft will be a randomly ordered 24 round snake draft. Following years the draft will not snake. The order will be determined by how you placed the prior year. Teams finishing in 11-14 place will be in a lottery for the first 4 draft slots. All other teams will be reverse order of finish.

The draft will commence 2 days after keeper declaration and (for now) will be held at
Drafttime.com with the league hosting site at Yahoo.

The lottery draft will be held shortly after the end of the regular season (to better facilitate offseason trading).

Draft Guidelines
We will have a slow draft as noted at draftime.com
Each draft slot will have a 4 hour window to make your pick. If you do not make a pick in the allotted time the next manager may go. You can make up your pick whenever you get back but forfeit the right to any players picked after you missed time. If the draft comes back to you before you make a missed pick, those future picks will be allotted 0 time until you are caught up. The clock will be shut off from 1am to 7am EST M-F and will not run on weekends - subject to change if must meet a deadline.
Interested managers, please post here with an active email. Slots are first come, first serve.
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91 bettorwin
      ID: 5222512
      Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 15:03
I'm having trouble logging on to draftime. Anyone else having an issue?
92 bettorwin
      ID: 5222512
      Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 15:09
Return to index page
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93 bettorwin
      ID: 5222512
      Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 15:24
Ok. I'm on now.
94Khahan
      ID: 16341313
      Fri, Mar 07, 2014, 08:12
Guys I'll be picking this morning but I'm agonizing between 3 players for my 2 picks here.

2 pretty elite SP or one of those an 2nd tier OF. I dont often have 2 SP after 4 rounds (heck sometimes I dont have 1 after 4 rounds) but the pickins available are awfully tempting to lock up for a few years. I feel like with this pick I cant make the right one. ugh.
95WG
      ID: 552431321
      Sat, Mar 08, 2014, 19:20
Probably should have gotten clarification before but do the keeper rounds stick forever?
96Khahan
      ID: 16341313
      Sun, Mar 09, 2014, 12:48
WG - yes.
97Greg
      ID: 2236522
      Sun, Mar 09, 2014, 12:49
I'd like to know where we stand on this too and about waivers keepers too. I know some of this was discussed before but I can't find the conversation.
98Greg
      ID: 2236522
      Sun, Mar 09, 2014, 12:50
Oh damn. lol just posted almost at the same time. NVM
99Khahan
      ID: 16341313
      Sun, Mar 09, 2014, 13:13
updates to constitution
I've updated the league constitution above per our discussions.

-5 bench slots has been increased to 6.

-All references to 23 roster spots or 23 rounds of draft have been changed to 24.

-added language to keeper rules example 2 for further clarificatoin: however note - the next season if I do not obtain a second R5 pick I will only be able to keep 1 of the players

-added language to keeper rule example 3 for further clarification: I may no longer keep Sandberg unless I acquire a 5 pick before keepers are delcared

100 Greg
      ID: 2236522
      Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 11:51
Just went to check the draft and I'm having problems with the site. It won't let me see the site. Says 403 Forbidden. I can use the internet normally otherwise. Draftime.com is down or something? Anyone else having probs?
101Bean
      ID: 5292191
      Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 11:57
It's ridiculously slow right now. I get an occaisional home page when I refresh. The server's internet connection must not be very good or its comm port needs attention.
102 gurudan
      ID: 12149229
      Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 12:27
same problem #100 slow's not even the word
103Tree
      ID: 521101115
      Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 12:27
Can't access it either.. And I'm probably up. :-)
104artofmonk
      ID: 40825312
      Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 12:31
not good for draft time to go down when all of the drafts begin with a clock. I wonder if they will have the clock continue run even though no one can draft? I guess we just wait.
105Bean
      ID: 5292191
      Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 12:35
<103> This is where we were before the crash:

087 07.03 Nadmaq
088 07.04 Tree
089 07.05 beancline
090 07.06 goryllas
091 07.07 Prockwo
092 07.08 airallnite
093 07.09 gurudan
094 07.10 ARTOFMONK
095 07.11 bettorwin
096 07.12 mailedfoot
097 07.13 wiggs
098 07.14 Khahan
099 08.01 Khahan
100 08.02 wiggs
101 08.03 mailedfoot
102 08.04 bettorwin
103 08.05 ARTOFMONK
104 08.06 gurudan
105 08.07 airallnite
106 08.08 Prockwo
107 08.09 goryllas
108 08.10 beancline
109 08.11 Tree
110 08.12 Nadmaq
111 08.13 kazuo316
112 08.14 vampireweekend
106 bettorwin
      ID: 332381012
      Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 13:38
its back up.
107 bettorwin
      ID: 332381012
      Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 13:39
it skipped nadmaq
108Bean
      ID: 5292191
      Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 13:48
here's the time stamp from the last pick made:

Mar 10, 7:12 am

You really concerned that Nadmaq wasnt given enough time to make his pick?
109Greg
      ID: 491271820
      Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 13:55
Not gonna be home for an hour. I'll pick as soon as I get home.
110Greg
      ID: 491271820
      Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 14:06
Nvm. Just used my phone...awkwardly might I add.
111Khahan
      Donor
      ID: 39432178
      Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 14:16
I've stopped the draft for now. Sorry, I tried to do this earlier before anypicks were made but work is kicking my ass right now. I finally have a few mins breather here. Give me a moment to get some info and we'll decide how to move forward with the missed pick.
112Khahan
      Donor
      ID: 39432178
      Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 14:19
Ok, I'm trying to find out how much during nadmaq's clock was actually missed due to the site being down.
113Khahan
      Donor
      ID: 39432178
      Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 14:24
Seems to be fixed. He has his pick in and i received no emails indicating a different pick. From the time stamps and when the draft went down it was nearly 4 hours.

Draft is back up and running and we're back on normal schedule. And to address the posts, no it should not take 4 hours to make a pick but with day to day life 4 hours is pretty reasonable. Never know if you come up right when you go into a meeting or get in a car for a trip etc. The clock is designed to let us have our normal daily crap happen and still not get skipped. Hopefully with queues and simple attention we average under an hour a pick.
114 bettorwin
      ID: 332381012
      Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 18:57
We've made 5 picks this last half hour. Let's keep it going.
115Khahan
      ID: 16341313
      Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 19:57
Wow,I dont remember the last draft I took a closer before round 10.
116 bettorwin
      ID: 332381012
      Thu, Mar 13, 2014, 10:44
Having trouble getting on to draftime this morning.
117Khahan
      Donor
      ID: 39432178
      Thu, Mar 13, 2014, 12:55
Things seem to be running smoothly now but the site admin is giving us somewhat regular updates in this thread.
118Greg
      ID: 491271820
      Fri, Mar 14, 2014, 09:41
Trouble with draftime. Assuming it will get sorted in a while c
119Khahan
      ID: 16341313
      Thu, Mar 20, 2014, 01:16
We're under way. I still have to reset the waiver order, will get that done thursday.
120WG
      ID: 282412213
      Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 14:41
I drafted Gregory but was given Placido Polanco. Thanks.
121Khahan
      ID: 16341313
      Sun, May 04, 2014, 20:09
New record in futility set I believe. My team's "lack of" hitters is 0-32 today.
122Khahan
      ID: 16341313
      Sun, Aug 10, 2014, 00:10
As we approach the fantasy trade deadline I just want to hilight a few of our rules to avoid confusion:

1. You can keep UP TO 9 players. So 0-9 players is acceptable.

2. You must have a draft pick available in that round to keep a player. So if you traded and got a player picked in round 3 from another team you would need to either choose that guy, your own guy you drafted or acquire a second round 3 pick.

3. Players picked up off the waiver wire or as free agents are not eligible to be kept.
123Khahan
      ID: 16341313
      Thu, Aug 21, 2014, 18:37
A few things as we come into the final stretch of the season:

1. Wiggs - I think I would have rather had an injured votto not playing than chris davis on my roster. Looks like you made out on that one.

2. There was a lot of discussion about keeper rounds and fa pick ups. I think in 2015 we'll see some real reasons why I set the league up the way I did. Guys like votto, cargo and chris davis who either under-performed or were injured are tough choices keep as 1st or 2nd round players and may be back in the draft pool to restock it (davis almost surely will).
Then you have breakout season players like Garrett Richards, Charlie Blackmon, and Lucas Duda who (barring injury would have) certainly been REALLY nice to have in the draft pool next season.

This is exactly why I didn't want to allow fa pick ups be keeper eligible. I think its a good way to keep the draft pool stocked a bit each season. With upwards of 126 players being kept, a keeper league draft can start to feel irrelevant.


3. I'll encourage everybody, again, as we approach our trade deadline to familiarize themselves with our keeper rules. I've already gotten an email from 1 manager asking for clarification. That is a good thing he asked to make sure. Because our rules are posted and we wont be deviating from them just because you didn't understand them and made a mistake.

One thing I'd like to clarify in the rules - when I say if you pick up a player from the WW or as FA they are not eligible to be kept: this includes players that were drafted, then dropped and later picked up, even if they are picked up by the same team
124Khahan
      ID: 16341313
      Thu, Aug 21, 2014, 18:42
Just an interesting note - somebody could have ignored the OF this year and picked up some mixture of Corey Dickerson, Michael Brantley, Rajai Davis and Angel Pagan in the final 4 rounds and made out like a bandit.

Props to WG for what looks like the steal of the draft with Brantley (currently ranked 7th) in round 24. That's the 7th most productive fantasy player on the season taken with the 329th pick.
125Khahan
      ID: 16341313
      Sat, Sep 20, 2014, 09:45
Once the last day of the season is over rosters are frozen. No player can be dropped or added. Trades can be made again. Any trade can be worked out thru email and posted in this thread.

Simply work the trade out thru email, agree and post in that thread that it is done. We will update the rosters next season during the draft. That thread is also where we will post our keepers.

For me, I'm willing to trade nearly anybody on my team. Here is a list of my players who are eligible to be kept and the round they were drafted in:

Chris Davis (1)
Adam Jones (2)
Justin Upton (3)-
Felix Hernandez (4)
Alex Cobb (5)
Billy Hamilton (6)
Greg Holland (7)
Pablo Sandoval (8)
Michael Wacha (9)
Kole Calhoun (12)
Howie Kendrick (13)
Francisco Lindor (16)
Alexei Ramirez (17)
Yan Gomes (18)
Avisail Garcia (20)
126Khahan
      ID: 16341313
      Sun, Sep 28, 2014, 17:38
I'm not going ot do this every year, but this year since its our first season and there were a lot of questions about keepers I'm going to list each team's players who are eligible to be kept. These lists do NOT override our rules. If you see a player that shouldnt be on or if I missed a player let me know. Our rules supercede this list, though. Going to try to do 1 or 2 a day.

WG:
Giancarolo Stanton (1)
Yu Darvish (2)
Freddie Freeman (3)
Byron Buxton (5)
Gerrit Cole (6)
Ian Kinsler (7)
Matt Adams (8)
Javier Baez (9)
Julio Teheran (10)
Salvador Perez (11)
Kris Bryant (16)
Gregory Polanco (18)
Michael Brantley (24)
127mailedfoot
      ID: 531322718
      Sun, Sep 28, 2014, 20:59
Congratulations on your championship, Khahan!

Well played!
128Khahan
      ID: 16341313
      Sun, Sep 28, 2014, 22:21
Thank you mailedfoot! Was an exciting season. I nearly gave up as a middle of the packer around may/june.
129WG
      ID: 368272821
      Sun, Sep 28, 2014, 22:28
Congrats Khahan! A well deserved, hard fought victory. I tried to keep you honest til the very end but don't think I ever made it really close down the stretch. Thanks also for starting this league up and running it well; was an interesting change from the other leagues and I definitely had to make some tough choices along the way regarding dropping potential keepers. Looking forward to next year!
130Khahan
      ID: 36821298
      Mon, Sep 29, 2014, 10:15
Lottery draft. The following 4 managers were 11th - 14th and qualified for the lottery spots. Their draft order is determined randomly instead of by order of finish:
11. dr paul
12. wonder twins
13. c1
14. roller derby

The 'mix them up' random order is: 4 1 3 2 (http://www.random.org/sequences/?min=1&max=4&col=1&format=html&rnd=new)

This gives us
roller derby
dr paul
c1
wonder twins

And the top 4 draft order numbers are: 1 4 2 3 (http://www.random.org/sequences/?min=1&max=4&col=1&format=html&rnd=new)
Giving us a top 4 draft order of:
1. Roller Derby
2. Wonder Twins
3. dr paul
4. C1
The rest of the draft order for 2015 is:
5. gurudan
6. power of lemke
7. vampire weekend
8. downtown dom brown
9. port richey striptease
10 knights radiant
11 WG
12 foot solders
13 Bean
14 Khahan

Again, the draft is non-snake, so this is the order for every single round. And any player you keep takes up a draft slot in the round he was drafted in. So for example if Vampire Weekend opts to keep Mike Trout I'm essentially assigning trout as Vampire Weekends round 1 pick. If he also opts to keep Christian Yelich, I'm assigning Yelich as Vampire Weekends round 5 pick.
131Khahan
      ID: 36821298
      Mon, Sep 29, 2014, 10:25
Bean's list of keeper eligible players:
Paul Goldschmidt (1)
Jean Segura (2)
Carlos Gomez (3)
Buster Posey (4)
Kenley Jansen (5)
Trevor Rosenthal (6)
Matt Holiday (7)
Koji Uehara (8)
Kyle Seager (9)
Michael Cuddyer (10)
Brandon Moss (11)
Johnny Cueto (12)
Cole Hamels (13)
LaTroy Hawkins (16)
Emilio Bonaficio (21)
132Khahan
      ID: 36821298
      Mon, Sep 29, 2014, 10:40
foot soldiers keeper eligible players:
Ryan Braun (1)
Evan Longoria (2)
Ian Desmond (3)
Albert Pujols (4)
Mark Trumbo (5)
Anibal Sanchez (6)
Ben Zobrist (7)
Danny Salazar (8)
Jayson Werth (10)
Jonathan Papelbon (110
Andrew Cashner (12)
Chase Utley (14)
Adam Eaton (15)
Rick Porcello (17)
133 gurudan
      ID: 206112913
      Tue, Sep 30, 2014, 22:33
can we keep players taken off the NA roster position? I noticed that during the year, managers were squirreling away prospects.
134Tree
      ID: 55815821
      Wed, Oct 01, 2014, 08:47
unless i misunderstand the rules, as long as that manager drafted that player in the original player draft, they are keeper-eligible.
135Khahan
      ID: 1894819
      Wed, Oct 01, 2014, 10:48
Tree is correct.
For example I drafted Franciso Lindor in round 16. He was in the NA slot all season. He never hit FA or WW so he is keeper eligible.
136 Romee
      ID: 100501319
      Tue, Jan 13, 2015, 20:54
i know this was posted in OCT but are there any open slots in this league?
137Tree
      ID: 161036918
      Tue, Jan 13, 2015, 23:20
sigh. this bump rehashed the whole oscar taveras thing...
138 Khahan
      ID: 340211323
      Wed, Jan 14, 2015, 00:21
Romee, right now we are full. Probably another week or two I'll start sending out reminder emails and we'll get a head count for 2015.
With that said, I have some pretty enticing players available. Some real nice value for the draft round on my team. Anybody who has a 1st rounder they want to move, send me a message.
139 Romee
      ID: 100501319
      Wed, Jan 14, 2015, 17:37
no problem. just let me know if someone flakes out. it sounds like an interesting league and ive only been in one keeper ever
140 DowntownDomBrown
      ID: 562272213
      Sun, Mar 22, 2015, 14:27
Keepers. I can't find which round i drafted them. but i believe all are eligible

Miguel Cabrera
Jose Altuve
Chris Sale (Trade from Profar's spot)
Sonny Gray (Trade from Springers spot)
Jorge Soler
Devin Mesorocco
Starlin Castro
Steven Strasburg
Hyun Jin Ryu
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