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0 Subject: RIBC 2014: Draft discussion

Posted by: Guru
- [330592710] Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 11:18

The draft will be activated on Thursday afternoon, although the clock will not be turned on until Friday or whenever the first round is completed. Here are the ground rules for this year.
Please read carefully, as some standards have changed from prior years.

In general, I discourage you from using a designated picker unless that is the only way to make the proper pick. The software now allows for automatic queues (with or without a time delay), and that is the preferred method for making a pick if you are unlikely to be available when your pick is due.

As such, please do not mark any queue as AVAILABLE unless you have specifically provided instructions to your designated picker(s). DP’s should only be used if you need some logic applied to the pick (e.g., don’t take someone at the same position as my pick in the previous round).

If you mark your queue AVAILABLE, that means that designated pickers (and me as commish) can see it when it is your turn to pick. Regardless, even if I can see your queue, I will not pick from it unless you have provided specific instructions. I encourage everyone else to adhere to the same standard.

Please be diligent about the current auto-pick settings for your general and round specific queues. If you do not want auto-picks to be made, then make sure that both queues - general and next pick - have auto-pick set to "No Auto-Pick". Every year, it seems that someone gets stuck with a surprise pick because auto-pick was inadvertently turned on.

Teams at the endpoint of each round will have only one clock period to make their pick. Similarly, anyone who has timed out in any round will have subsequent picks skipped until you show up to make your pick.

I will activate a 4 hour clock beginning on Friday, and this will be on for the duration of the draft, including weekends. Chronic time-out offenders may have their clocks manually shortened. The nightly clock moratorium will run from midnight until 8am EDT. This means that the moratorium will be from 9pm until 5am PDT. If you are on the West Coast and your pick comes due overnight, you will not time-out until 9am PDT. For those of you who live outside of the local US/Canadian time zones, I realize that the clock moratoriums are not ideal, but I appreciate your attempts to make it work.

The ESPN site will not be updated with draft results until the draft is over. You will need to figure out how to keep track of player availability on your own. (Of course, Draftime will not allow you to pick someone who is already drafted.)

When making your draft pick, please indicate the primary position at which you intend to use him. Do not pick anyone for the UTL slot unless he is not eligible at any other position. It is not necessary to draft a player for every position.

If you want to draft a player who is not available in Draftime, you should use the "Contact" link at the bottom of the Draftime page to request that the player be added to the system. Please anticipate these situations so that we don’t have to wait. If it is you turn to pick and a player is not listed in Draftime, then you may select a player who is unlikely to be drafted at all as a placeholder, to be substituted later on. If a drafted player is not available at the ESPN site, we will also assign a placeholder until that player has been added. Once the draft is over, you may only add players who are listed at ESPN.

You may use this thread to ask questions, comment on your upcoming availability or unavailability. After two rounds have been completed, a separate thread will be set up for the collection of draft pick rationales.
1Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 11:18
Rules recap:

Here are the general parameters of the league:

# Teams: 16
Scoring Type: Rotisserie
Player Universe: All baseball
Max Acquisitions for Entire Season: No maximum
Max Trades for Entire Season: No maximum
Trade End Date: August 29, 2014
Allow Draft Pick Trades: Yes
Waiver Time: 1 days
Waiver Type: Continual rolling list
Can't Cut List Provider: None
Trade Reject Time: 1
Trade Review: Commissioner (four veto votes will trigger a full vote)
Post Draft Players: Follow Waiver Rules
Max Games Played: 162 per slot, enforced by position
Max Innings Pitched: 1350
Lineup changes: Daily - Lock Individually at Scheduled Gametime
Roster Positions: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, CI, MI, OF, OF, OF, OF, Util, SP, RP, P, P, P, P, P, P, P, BN, BN, BN, BN
Batters Stat Categories: Runs (R), Runs Batted In (RBI), Stolen Bases (SB), On-base Percentage (OBP), Slugging Percentage (SLG)
Pitchers Stat Categories: Wins (W), Saves (SV), Strikeouts (K), Earned Run Average (ERA), (Walks + Hits)/ Innings Pitched (WHIP)
2Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 11:19
Here are links to the various RIBC drafts in progress (grid on top, followed by sequential list):

RIBC   -   AAA ESPN   -   AAA Yahoo   -   AA ESPN   -   AA Yahoo

3Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 15:30
The draft was just activated. The primary purpose is to allow people to get queues set up as needed, but picks can be made as well.
4holt
      Donor
      ID: 308491916
      Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 17:39
Guys - I just saw my pick is only a couple picks away. I've got to go out of town for work for a couple hrs or so. Just giving a heads up. I don't have time to look at available players atm. Sorry. I'll log in right when I get back home.
5Seattle Zen
      ID: 3310162612
      Thu, Mar 06, 2014, 19:32
All five RIBC leagues had the same first four players off the board.
6Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Fri, Mar 07, 2014, 10:25
A separate thread has been set up as a Rationale Collection thread.

When your rationale is ready (two round lag - or sooner if you wish), just post it there, without regard to sequence. I have a process to transfer rationales over to the formal rationale thread, which I'll update approximately once per round.

This approach worked quite well for football and hoops - avoiding the need to have to insert long series of placeholders, especially when lot of picks are made from automated queues.
7fugazi
      ID: 28545223
      Sat, Mar 08, 2014, 02:25
This "less steroids" era is tough. Less sure things out there. You'd think that in the second round you could draft someone that you felt strongly about. I'm not an Adam Jones fan at all but dang...
8fugazi
      ID: 28545223
      Sat, Mar 08, 2014, 02:26
sorry - Holt here on my bro's computer.
9Seattle Zen
      Leader
      ID: 055343019
      Sun, Mar 09, 2014, 21:39
My first experience in the big leagues and I must say that I am quite disappointed at how little the queues are used. The number of people who average two or three hours per pick is unacceptable.

Most disturbing are the two people almost on the turn. You take two or three hours deciding on your first pick, fine... then a few minutes go by, two players are selected and you again take two or three hours? You seriously can't devise a three person queue?

Kdl212, loved the story of how Alex Rios fell into your lap.
10Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sun, Mar 09, 2014, 22:10
It's not unusual for the first few rounds to move slowly. I expect that the pace will pick up soon.

It must, or we will not finish before the season starts. We should complete at least two rounds per day. We're only doing about a round per day over the weekend.
11reeb
      ID: 35842259
      Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 11:35
Draftime down?
12JeffG
      ID: 2654157
      Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 11:36
I think draftime is down.
13Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 11:41
Yep - I alerted Fred again. He knows this is a chronic issue on his current server, which has exasperated him.
14Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 12:50
I know that Fred is addressing the current technical issue, but have no idea when service may be restored.

If anyone wants to pick via this thread in the meantime, feel free.

Here are the most recent picks I'm aware of:
5.01 JeffG - Jayson Werth OF WAS
5.02 Meatwads - Desmond Jennings OF TB
5.03 WG - Craig Kimbrel RP ATL
5.04 mailedfoot - Mark Trumbo OF AZ
5.05 Seattle Zen - Hunter Pence OF SF
5.06 mmikulka - Aroldis Chapman RP CIN
5.07 holt - Jose Abreu 1B CHI-A
5.08 Evan - Zack Greinke SP LA
5.09 JKaye - Kenley Jansen RP LA
5.10 bmd - Anthony Rizzo CR CHI-N
5.11 reeb
5.12 kdl212
5.13 jdrenbarger
5.14 Guru
5.15 twilson
5.16 Jasonprof
15Evan
      ID: 29181714
      Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 13:31
Looks to be back up. Working for me.
16JeffG
      ID: 2654157
      Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 13:34
Draftime is back (but slow)
17Seattle Zen
      Leader
      ID: 055343019
      Mon, Mar 10, 2014, 23:59
Oh, I'm spitting mad that Belt was taken right before my pick! ARGH!!!
18Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Tue, Mar 11, 2014, 11:04
So I guess there was no hope of him lasting until my pick at 7.14.

He would have been available at 7.14 in the other four drafts...
19s R
      ID: 512311213
      Wed, Mar 12, 2014, 14:31
Jason have very limited internet access, but he is working hard to post rationales.
20Seattle Zen
      ID: 3310162612
      Thu, Mar 13, 2014, 17:06
So, how many hours do we have to wait this time, Mr. Wilson?...
21Seattle Zen
      ID: 3310162612
      Thu, Mar 13, 2014, 18:41
Less than an hour, right on!
22beastiemiked
      ID: 5911312710
      Fri, Mar 14, 2014, 17:06
Ugh, at least post you are not picking.
23Seattle Zen
      ID: 3310162612
      Fri, Mar 14, 2014, 22:56
Six minutes, six minutes, six minutes Dougie Fresh, you're on...
24Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Mar 15, 2014, 11:12
Rationales should now be posted through round 12. That means that 192 rationales are due. Only 123 have been posted. If you are behind, please get caught up over the weekend.
25Seattle Zen
      Leader
      ID: 055343019
      Sat, Mar 15, 2014, 11:29
Will be traveling today to and from a... fantasy baseball draft. Will try not to hold things up.
26twilson
      ID: 13837113
      Sat, Mar 15, 2014, 20:04
Working on a potential trade. Will pick immediately if it falls through
27Seattle Zen
      Leader
      ID: 055343019
      Sun, Mar 16, 2014, 14:53
DAMN! Michael Brantley was a one man queue. Give me a moment
28Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 11:34
At our average pace, we'll finish on Friday. Later rounds tend to move faster, so maybe sooner. Regardless, I'm going to aim to activate the league at ESPN no later than mid-Friday so that everyone can start players for the Australia games, if desired. If the draft is still going, late draftees will just be added to rosters as they are drafted.

The first Dodgers-Dbacks game starts at 4am EDT Saturday, so for most of us, rosters will need to be in place by the end of Friday.
29beastiemiked
      ID: 5911312710
      Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 11:39
Is there a cumulative clock? If so, have you ever thought about adding one. I know there's some people that have ~2 hours of cumulative clock and others at 20+ hours.
30Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Mon, Mar 17, 2014, 12:29
There is none. Until recently, it could only be manually tracked, and we never seemed to need it.

Through round 18, only three managers in this draft have averaged more than one hour per pick (17 hours total, excluding the first round, which was untimed):

JKaye - 25:21
WG - 23:27
twilson - 21:30

Interestingly, two of those three people are near the turns, so you'd think they would have an advantage, as they'd typically be working on picks in pairs.

A "reasonable" pace for a draft is about 12 days after round one, or 2 rounds per day. That is an average of about 45 minutes per pick in total time, or 30 minutes per pick in clock time (since 8 hours of daily pause is not counted in clock time.)

If I were to set a cumulative clock, I'd probably set it around 24 hours. If a manager hit that limit, then I'd put them on a one hour clock for each pick thereafter. I'm not doing that this year, but I may implement it next year, as this draft has been slower than those of recent years. Perhaps with a cumulative clock in place, I'd never have to impose it.
31Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 08:23
Looks like we should finish the draft later today or tonight.

Please finish submitting your rationales.

I'll plan to have the league activated in ESPN sometime on Thursday.
32beastiemiked
      ID: 5911312710
      Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 15:57
Lol, I think draftime is screwed up. They have JeffG drafting David Hernandez 6 times and Scott van Slike 3 times.
33Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 16:03
And Meatwads now shows up with the next 3 picks.

I just emailed Fred, to see if he can straighten it out before moving on.
34JeffG
      ID: 41228917
      Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 16:09
That explains why I now have 18 emails in my in box from Draftime with the subject 'It's Draftime!' or 'Autopick Made' :)
35Seattle Zen
      Leader
      ID: 055343019
      Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 16:14
"I have all your David Hernandez!" - jeffg
36Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 16:36
Fred says he's away from computer access until this evening, but Meatwads' last pick seemed to calm it down.
37Seattle Zen
      Leader
      ID: 055343019
      Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 21:01
Wow, I just noticed something about reeb's team. Ten of his first 15 picks are present or former Red Sox. His last four picks were also Scarlett Hose, bringing his total to 15.

I guess that would explain the Xander reach.

Funny, I didn't detect anything in his rationales. I'm guessing he has NESN on his cable package.
38bmd
      ID: 36212719
      Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 21:25
So fitting to get snaked on your last pick. Very nice pick jkaye.
39mmikulka
      ID: 71372512
      Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 21:46
Seattle Zen, I've been following that Red Sox trend for the last several rounds - I was so excited when I correctly guessed the Doubront pick!! I actually count 16 total, with Ellsbury, Papelbon, Lowrie, Saltalamacchia, and Scutaro as the former Sox.
40Seattle Zen
      Leader
      ID: 055343019
      Wed, Mar 19, 2014, 22:08
I forgot about Scutaro
41Evan
      ID: 5720121
      Thu, Mar 20, 2014, 09:16
When can we make roster moves on ESPN?
42Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Mar 20, 2014, 09:36
I'll be activating the league sometime today. All undrafted players will be on waivers.
43Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Mar 20, 2014, 09:57
... and the league is active. I'll start a regular season thread momentarily.
44holt
      Donor
      ID: 308491916
      Thu, Mar 20, 2014, 21:44
Jeff G's team has Orlando Arcia instead of Oswald Arcia.
45Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Thu, Mar 20, 2014, 22:06
[44] corrected
46kdl212
      ID: 231211918
      Fri, Mar 21, 2014, 19:41
I have the wrong Erasmo Ramirez on my roster - I want the Mariner pitcher, not an unkown Marlin reliever.

Thanks.
47reeb
      ID: 53234417
      Fri, Mar 21, 2014, 22:46
Lots of homer picks I know. Pretty bummed I missed out on Ortiz :)

I had a ridiculously busy couple of weeks and had zero time for research. After I missed my pick I just turned on my queue and pretty much forgot about it.

I would of had quite a few more non sox if you guys would have quit stealing them.


All that being said I do like my team.
48kdl212
      ID: 122182122
      Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 02:26
the waiver order doesn't like right to me.
49JeffG
      ID: 15859720
      Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 03:49
In the getting started thread it was mentioned that the waiver order is based on the inverse order of how we selected our draft slots as opposed to the inverse draft order.
50Guru
      ID: 330592710
      Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 11:56
[49] correct. The team that got stuck with the last "pick" in the draft order selection round got the benefit of the top waiver priority to start the season.
51Judy
      ID: 54203110
      Sat, Mar 22, 2014, 12:02
Oops. I messed up AAA PCL... too late.
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