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0 Subject: Dirty Dozen 2015

Posted by: GO
- [541392319] Mon, Mar 16, 2015, 21:43

The Dirty Dozen League Constitution
Entry Fee = $20 (Due by Opening Day)
7 keepers
Keeper Deadline outlined below or they will be picked for you.
Any trade or keeper change after that will not be accepted.
Next Day Transactions - Daily/Tomorrow
Waivers - Continual Rolling List

Payouts = 240 pot
1st Place 160
2nd Place 50
3rd Place 20
Kafenatid 10

Trade Review
Commish review, will push through in about 24 hours unless anyone raises any questions. Generally the next morning unless a trade was accepted the evening before.

Categories & Positions
Roster Positions: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, OF, OF, Util, Util (new)
SP, SP, SP, RP, RP, P, P, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL, DL
Batters Stat Categories: Runs (R), Home Runs (HR), Runs Batted In (RBI), Stolen Bases (SB), Batting Average (AVG)
Pitchers Stat Categories: Wins (W), Saves (SV), Strikeouts (K), Earned Run Average (ERA), (Walks + Hits)/ Innings Pitched (WHIP)

Trade Deadline
Last available date offered by Yahoo (usually about a month before season ends)
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163Khahan
      ID: 2982829
      Wed, Sep 02, 2015, 10:28
Boy did my team hit a brick wall about 2 1/2 weeks ago.
164loki
      SuperDude
      ID: 4211201420
      Sat, Sep 05, 2015, 13:15
I am holding on trying to make it into 3rd place. My chances to finish any higher went by the wayside when Yasiel Puig missed most of the season and then was hampered by his injuries when playing, Jacoby Ellsbury missed a month and then did not run when he returned (lost many points in SBs between Ellsbury and Puig), Joc Pedersen's unbelievably bad 2nd half (makes me wonder if he was another hitter hurt by the ASG home run derby) and Mike Moustakas not hitting after I gave up Noah Syndergaard for him.
Looking ahead to next year, but I gave up my 2nd round pick for Jordan Zimmerman who has not performed as I had expected.
165Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Sat, Sep 05, 2015, 14:32
Looking ahead to next year, but I gave up my 2nd round pick for Jordan Zimmerman who has not performed as I had expected.

If its any consolation, Singleton is going back into the draft pool.
166Da Bomb
      Donor
      ID: 487112814
      Tue, Sep 08, 2015, 21:59
Re: 72-74
Da Bomb: 1
Khahan + Barilko: 0
167barilko6
      ID: 108581112
      Fri, Sep 11, 2015, 13:58
DaBomb....You aren't giving me credit where credit is due. I clearly said he would have more than 30 games played this year. He has 128.

Barilko: 1
168 Khahan
      ID: 558112414
      Thu, Sep 24, 2015, 15:12
Looking at the offseason and building towards 2016, I have the following players who are at least worthy of keeper consideration to varying levels:

Kyle Schwarber, Travis D'arnaud, Albert Pujols, Manny Machado, Chris Davis, Dee Gordon, Christian Yelich, Billy Hamilton, Kole Calhoun, Addison Russell, Javier Baez, Brandon Crawford, Jacob Degrom, Andrew Heaney, Aaron Nola

Can't even keep half of them and some are admittedly bubble keepers. But quite a few are great for building around. If you are rebuilding for next year (or 2017), replacing injuried or underperforming vets or just feel you need to revamp, rechange your roster - take a look at what I have and send an email. Nobody at this point is untouchable. Package deals, draft picks, player swaps. If its an improvement for me I'll take it.
169Tree
      ID: 161036918
      Sun, Sep 27, 2015, 12:54
I'm in a similar situation with (mostly) young keepers.

Abreu, Odor, Lindor, Polanco, Cespedes, Trout, CarGo (ok, seriously, how is he only 29??? and with a career high 39 homers so far?!!), Gallo, Kipnis, Harvey, Chapman, Stroman, Syndergaard, and, Yu.

pretty much most are untouchable, but i can't imagine moving Trout (i was made a very, very, very reasonable offer for him this season, and i almost took it, but i just couldn't quite pull the trigger). .
170dpr
      ID: 9658169
      Tue, Sep 29, 2015, 17:05
The rookie class this year is going to have a big impact on keeper lists for next year. I will be looking to be a seller as well feel I have potential 10 players who are top 84 keepers.

I have 3 SS alone who will likely be drafted top 50 next year (I know Sano will be losing the eligibility). On top of that I have rookies like Conforto and Osuna who I wouldn't expect to be keepers but are better than several of the names just pitched.

That's on top of my stars in McCutchen, Cabrera, EE, Rendon and potentially fading first rounders from this year in Felix and Gomez (how much does someone fall after a year to forget?)

Pence, Teixeira and LeMahieu all performed top 60 when healthy this year as well. Pitchers like Carrasco, Hamels, and Martinez also look like they should be in keeper conversations.

Going to be tough choices, but hopefully through some trades you guys will be able to help me out.
171GO
      ID: 39727167
      Sun, Oct 04, 2015, 23:02
Congrats to HOLT... joining an very exclusive club.

Dirty Dozen Titles over 12 Dirty Dozen seasons since 2004
Da Bomb - 3 1st place, 5 second
Holt - 3 1st Place, 5 second
GO - 3 1st Place, 2 second, 4 third
Astade - 1 1st Place
dpr - 1 1st Place, 1 third
Tree - 1 1st Place

How about this stat --
In the history of this league - 12 seasons - nobody has ever finished 2nd other than myself, Da Bomb or Holt.
172Da Bomb
      Donor
      ID: 487112814
      Sun, Oct 04, 2015, 23:42
Congrats Holt.

And Perm Dude secures his 6th last place finish =)
173holt
      ID: 294132120
      Mon, Oct 05, 2015, 00:56
Thanks guys. It was a pretty tight race most of the way. Lots of fun. Congrats to Dabomb and, I'm not exactly sure who finished 3rd. Tree?

I think I have 3 3rd place finishes too. A couple may have been ties for 3rd.
174Tree
      ID: 161036918
      Mon, Oct 05, 2015, 08:35
wait! don't i have a third place now to add to the above list!?!? :D

congrats on the dominating win Holt.
175Khahan
      ID: 4993259
      Mon, Oct 05, 2015, 11:09
Congratulations again to Holt for another great season and Da Bomb Squad and Tree for another top 3 performance. This has been a good year for Tree who took top honors in the 8 Men Out Keeper League, too!

Some interesting (at least to me) notes on stats accumulated thru the season:
Highest run total: Tree with 904
Lowest Run total: blue guy 669
differential: 235

HR: Tree 251 PD: 161 differential: 90

RBI: Holt: 876 Team Canada: 676 differential: 200

SB: Khahan: 181 blue Guy: 70 differential: 111

Saves: Team Canada: 148 Tree: 38 differential: 110

K's: Holt: 1364 blue Guy: 1095 differential: 269

That's some big numbers in those differences.

Tree and I are the only teams with 3 30+ home run players. I'm the only team with 2 50+ sb players (lots of good those 2 stats did me!!).
Hoboken Zephyrs, Tree and Da Bomb are the only teams with multiple 100 rbi players.

Tree Khahan and Hoboken are the only teams with multiple 100 run players.

Holt is the only team with 3 pitchers with 200K's or more (and the only one with 300 k's).

Only 13 pitchers in the majors had 15+ wins. Holt (3) and Team Canada (3) had just about half of them between their 2 rosters.

The Major League leader in saves (mark melancon) ended the season the waiver wire.
176PeteN.
      ID: 8550318
      Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 19:53
Congrats holt!
177holt
      ID: 294132120
      Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 20:45
Thanks Pete.

Interesting stuff Khahan. I was looking at my team log and noticed that David Peralta hit .415 for me in something like 126 at bats, ala Hurricane Hazle (if anyone knows who that is).
178GO
      ID: 39727167
      Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 21:38
Before I talk rolling over next years entry with the winners... interest in upping the entry a few bucks? Simple majority wins.
Honestly I'll go as high as we get majority for, but at least hoping we go up a few dollars.
Vote
A - 20 (current)
B - 25
C - 30
D - 50
179astade
      ID: 59941620
      Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 21:42
A - leave it as is
180Da Bomb
      Donor
      ID: 487112814
      Tue, Oct 06, 2015, 21:50
D
181holt
      ID: 294132120
      Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 01:50
I guess I'd vote D but I'm OK with any of those.
182Khahan
      ID: 1491378
      Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 09:13
I'm fine with any but D. I have another league or two with fees and they start to add up. This has always been nice because its relatively low.
183Loki
      ID: 31918711
      Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 12:18
Greetings from Ireland.
I play because I enjoy the game and the competition, and do not care about the size of the pot. I will play with any of the choices, but my vote is for A, €20. Sorry, I mean $20.
:-)
184astade
      ID: 59941620
      Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 17:39
RE 175:

Khahan, you know that I lead the league in K's right? 1420....
185PeteN.
      ID: 8550318
      Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 19:14
It's not about the money for me. I'll abstain from the vote.
186Khahan
      ID: 54152322
      Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 19:23
184 - ahh, missed that one. Differential of 325.
187Tree
      ID: 161036918
      Wed, Oct 07, 2015, 23:12
A or B.
188dpr
      ID: 9658169
      Thu, Oct 08, 2015, 10:11
I would be in favor of increasing the fee. Hopefully would increase the interest in the league.

Rankings only mean so much but it looks like Cockcroft has 11 of my players in his top 84 keeper rankings. Should make for interesting decisions. Still, liked my list better last year when I probably had 6 top 24 guys and that didn't come close to paying off.

http://espn.go.com/fantasy/baseball/story/_/id/13777781/top-250-fantasy-baseball-keeper-rankings-2015-beyond
189Khahan
      ID: 50928814
      Thu, Oct 08, 2015, 15:28
I've got 9 in the top 100 and 3 more (pujols/Calhoun/Crawford) in the next 20. I'm surprised to see Javier Baez so far down the list (144). And on the pitchers I'm not surprised Heaney and Nola aren't quite top 100 but I'm a bit surprised to find them so close to the top 200.

Still, 7 keepers thru 12 teams, if I kept based on Cockrofts list I'd have 8 keepers fall within that first 84 and the 7 highest would be:
machado, degrom, Gordon, schwarber, yelich, davis, Russell.

Interesting to see.
190GO
      ID: 39727167
      Sun, Oct 11, 2015, 14:05
A - 2
B -
C -
D - 2

Any but D
A or B
Abstain
Increase somewhat

Ok, based on those responses my recommendation is we meet in the middle... lets go up 10 bucks and make it 30? any major objections? Going to settle up (including rollovers to pay next year) with our winners tomorrow so I want to come to a decision today.
191Khahan
      ID: 15914149
      Wed, Oct 14x, 2015, 10:14
How about that Schwarber kid?
192GO
      ID: 39727167
      Wed, Oct 14x, 2015, 23:46
Ok - no dissenting opinions... moving up to to 30 bucks starting in 2016.
193Khahan
      ID: 111291610
      Wed, Dec 16, 2015, 11:29
When we started the Dirty Dozen I believe it was a 3 keeper league and we added 1 each year to get to 7. But nothing really ever said we had to stop there - that was just the original goal. Do we want to consider increasing the keeper count for 2017?


I'd like to propose we move to 8 keepers in 2017 and 9 keepers in 2018. But will gladly listen to other suggestions for other numbers.

194Da Bomb
      Donor
      ID: 487112814
      Wed, Dec 16, 2015, 17:33
I believe we started with 6 keepers.

I like the current 7 keeper number.
195barilko6
      ID: 571140239
      Wed, Dec 23, 2015, 10:40
Hey guys...

Sad to say, but I am going to be retiring from The Dirty Dozen. I've had a lot of fun here, and will be leaving behind a good core for a new owner.

My greatest memory will always be completing 6 trades in 1 day!

Good luck fellas!
196GO
      ID: 1311391312
      Wed, Dec 23, 2015, 22:59
I'm pretty comfortable with 7 keepers, I think it helps the rebuilding squads to put some decent talent back into the draft each year.
197Astade
      ID: 36112245
      Thu, Dec 24, 2015, 06:02
Jack, at least give us an excuse!

I like the 7 keepers and would like to see it stay there
198Barilko6
      ID: 311112266
      Sat, Dec 26, 2015, 07:12
Re:197

I really like this league, very competitive which makes it more fun for sure. But since I've joined a couple leagues with FAAB and another with salaries, I've started to lose interest in the idea of first one to the keyboard gets the next greatest thing.

Haha. Example...Everyone makes fun of me for overdrafting closers or keeping closes in this league, saying I'm crazy and then pointing out how many saves they got off the waiver wire, but I knew with my job/home life I would never be the guy to hit first on the wire, so my overcompensation would be to draft what I couldn't pick up.

This is for sure a great group, wish there was more banter and chat, but the competition was top notch. I've traded superstars for what turned into garbage and garbage that turned into other garbage! Trading was always a highlight for me, I had a couple guys here that I was able to chat with on a semi regular basis which was fun too.
199 loki
      ID: 1915319
      Mon, Feb 01, 2016, 10:53
I am also sorry that Jack will be leaving, but is it time to put out feelers for a replacement?
Also, is there any interest in changing to FAAB?
This is the only league that I play in besides RIBC, and I am looking forward to the season.
200barilko6
      ID: 51153115
      Mon, Feb 01, 2016, 16:56
Thanks Loki. I'll miss playing this league, and will continue to check in for sure.

Now if this league adopted some sort of FAAB, I would be ecstatic. I think most leagues lean this way now, and I would be interested in looking at a league that offered that. (my other league does, but would love to have one more salary type league to play in.)
201khahan
      ID: 361828
      Tue, Feb 02, 2016, 09:08
I have less than 0 interest to moving to FAAB. It is not something 'most leagues lean' towards. Its an optional way to play and an option I have no desire to be a part of.
202barilko6
      ID: 2614326
      Tue, Feb 02, 2016, 09:25
re: 201

haha...don't worry man, I am not pushing for a change, which is the reason I've stepped down from this league rather than request a change.

But awarding guys for being able to get to their keyboards fastest isn't the best! That's why pretty much every football league nowadays runs a waiver system, which wasn't how things first were. (Times change!)

This is probably a good way to show my thoughts, from an ESPN article from 2012:

When I first started playing fantasy baseball, you were lucky to hear about an injury that occurred in a game played on the West Coast the same week it took place. In today's day and age, you can be at the North Pole and get near-immediate notification on your cell phone that Ryan Dempster stubbed his toe, along with super slo-mo video of the incident, mere moments after it happened. The game has changed.

Perhaps that's why I don't understand why people remain content to play in leagues where having a fast Internet connection trumps having actual baseball knowledge. Yet, for many fantasy leagues, the waiver wire is still run as a first-come, first-served, all-you-can-eat buffet. The alternative, where a team that makes a free-agent claim moves to the back of the line in the waiver wire pecking order, doesn't seem quite right to me either. Why should an owner's season-long inactivity suddenly be rewarded by giving him first dibs on a hot September call-up? There's got to be a better way!




203GO
      ID: 2111117
      Tue, Feb 02, 2016, 13:21
FAAB is interesting but I think is best in football. But certainly can vote. I would say 2/3 majority for such a major change.

Anyone got someone to join?
204khahan
      ID: 361828
      Tue, Feb 02, 2016, 13:57
I have a few people I can ask - not 100% certain any will be interested. But I wasn't sure if we wanted to open it up to gurupies first. Traditionally a simple post seeking new manager gets a few interested candidates from the boards here.
205 wiggs
      ID: 491040722
      Tue, Feb 02, 2016, 23:54
I heard you might be looking for a replacement for this league. Is it still available? if so I wouldnt mind coming back now that things in my personal life have settled down a little. Please let me know.
206GO
      ID: 2111117
      Wed, Feb 03, 2016, 11:36
Reminder going to $30 this year

Has everyone chimed in minus Barilko? Wiggs certainly a great option especially since he knows the league, just want to make sure we don't have multiple teams to fill before anyone awarded a squad.
207WG
      ID: 552431321
      Wed, Feb 03, 2016, 14:46
Hey everyone, sorry for the late word but I am probably not going to return this year either. I love fantasy baseball as much as anyone but am both having difficulty devoting the time for it and losing interest in the daily grind. I was a bit of an absentee owner last year and I think it would be more fair to allow someone who has both the time and passion to take my spot this year. Good luck to you all, and I hope a replacement can be found for me in short order.
208Loki
      ID: 31118315
      Wed, Feb 03, 2016, 16:18
I agree that Wiggs would be a good addition to the league.
209Khahan
      ID: 23155315
      Wed, Feb 03, 2016, 17:12
Happy to have Wiggs rejoin. I think every single league I've been in on these boards since day 1 has had either him or tree in it. Quite often both.

WG - sorry to see you go. Been a long time in leagues with you as well. Before you go I think you should trade me Altuve for my last round pick. ;)
210GO
      ID: 2111117
      Thu, Feb 04, 2016, 10:06
Pete and dpr please confirm and get on Yahoo
211dpr
      ID: 51115411
      Thu, Feb 04, 2016, 12:15
I joined the league. Is that all you meant by confirm?

Barilko; Sorry to see you go. I agree I would like to see more activity in the league and always appreciated your eagerness in that respect.

I think we should halt offseason trading until we have decided on new managers (not that any is imminent necessarily). New managers are often the most willing to get deals completed and I would want to afford them the chance to get in on any extra keepers who may be available from some teams. (btw count me on the list looking to trade some extra players)
212PeteN.
      ID: 8550318
      Thu, Feb 04, 2016, 13:49
I'm in and also joined on yahoo.
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