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Subject: Gurupie 20 - 2017 Preseason Discussion
Posted by: Species
- Dude [07724916] Tue, Jan 17, 2017, 13:08
Okay G20ers -- we have had a lot of action and a lot of discussion recently. I am starting a new Preseason thread and over the next couple of days I will look to summarize some of the open discussions on rule changes (demerits, S+H, Prospect Rules, etc) so we can refocus our thoughts.
First order of business: Please confirm your intention to return to G20 Baseball!
Per GO's request, posting the rules so it is at the top of the thread:
Constitution
Prospects - 300AB 110_IP/40_GP to remain a prospect.
(Draft Rounds 1-3, '04; 4-5, '05; 6-8, '06; 9-11, '07; 12-14, '08; 15-17, '09; 18-20, '10; 21-23, '11; 24-26, '12; 27-29 '13; 30-32 '14; 33-35 '15; 36-38 '16)
MGR: #, Name,Pos,Team,(# Call-ups)
Bean: Kenta Maeda, SP, LAD; 34.09 Nick Gordon, SS, MIN; 35.02 Raul Mondesi, SS, KC; 36.03 Byung-Ho Park, 1b, MIN (1)
bmd: 34.03 Matt Olson, 1b, OAK; 36.06 Andrew Benintendi, OF, BOS; 36.12 Ryan McMahon, 3b, COL; 37.07 Tyler Stephenson, C, CIN
Blue Hen: Rafael Devers, 3b, BOS; 36.16 Jose DeLeon, SP, LAD; 37.05 Bobby Bradley, 1b, CLE
Darkside: 37.11 Ozhaino Albies, SS, Atl; 38.04
Meatwads: 36.11 Franklin Barreto, SS, OAK; 37.09 Lucius Fox, SS, SFG;
Great One: 28.07 David Dahl, OF, COL; 33.01 Yoan Moncada, 2b, BOS;
Guru: 25.03 Albert Almora,OF,CHC; 37.13 Brett Phillips, OF, Mil
Jaydog: 31.08 Austin Meadows, OF, PIT; 33.19 Dilson Herrera, 2b, NYM; 36.02 Dansby Swanson, SS, ATL
Judy: 33.13 Robert Stephenson, SP, CIN (1); 37.03 Roman Quinn, OF, PHI
mjd: 24.04 Mark Appel, SP, PHI; 30.17 Lucas Gioloto, P, WAS; 36.08 Jorge Mateo, SS, NYY; 36.15 Brady Aiken, SP, CLE
Nerfherders: 30.07 Clint Frazier, OF, NYY; 36.05 Anderson Espinoza, SP SD; 37.02 Cody Bellinger, 1b, LAD
Peter N: 33.03 Hunter Harvey, SP, BAL
Tree: 32.05 Julio Urias, P, LAD; 33.05 Aaron Judge, OF, NYY 36.04 AJ Reed, 1b, HOU; 36.19 Gleyber Torres, SS, NYY; 37.15 Carson Fulmer, SP, CHW
Fosten: 36.09 Bradley Zimmer, OF, CLE; 36.07 Jose Berrios, SP, MIN; 38.01 Francis Martes, SP, HOU
Slizz:
Species: 36.10 Nick Williams, OF, PHI; 38.02 Eddy Julio Martinez, OF CHC
Khahan: 35.03 Josh Bell, OF, PIT (1); 36.18 Alex Bregman, SS, HOU (1); 37.14 Dominic Smith 1st NYM; 34.01 Greg Bird, 1b, NYY; 36.20 Sean Newcomb, SP, ATL;
Tosh: 37.12 Anthony Alford, OF, TOR
wg: 32.03 JP Crawford, SS, PHI; 36.01 Brendan Rodgers, SS, COL; 36.17 Victor Robles, OF, WAS;
youngroman: 36.13 Shohei Otani, SP, Hokkaido; 37.10 Cody Reed, SP, CIN; 38.03 Aaron Altherr, OF, PHI
The following managers have had their 2017 Prospect Draft selections altered via trade:
3-16-16 mjd receives slizz' last round prospect pick (Bumgarner / Giolito)
3-20-16 bmd receives Pete's 2nd (2016 pick swap)
3-22-16 Meatwads receives Khahan's 1st (Dozier)
5-15-16 mjd receives Tosh's 1st (Tanaka)
1-14-17 Meatwads receives Fosten's 1st and 2nd (Darvish, etc)
These managers have had their 2017 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
3-19-16 bmd receives Pete's 1st and 2nd (Beltre + 2016 2nd) for his last 2 picks
3-20-16 bmd receives blue hen's 7th for his 9th (2016 pick swap)
5-06-16 bmd receives WG's 3rd for his 12th (Carter)
5-06-16 Meatwads receives Species' 8th for his 14th (Lowrie)
6-02-16 Meatwads receives WG's 5th for his 13th (Crush / Carrasco etc)
6-06-16 bmd receives WG's 6th for his 11th (Calhoun)
6-09-16 slizz receives WG's 2nd for his 3rd (Nunez / Castillo)
6-09-16 Khahan receives Species' 6th for his 10th (Cervelli)
6-12-16 Tree receives WG's 7th for his 9th (Marte/Andrus)
6-22-16 blue hen receives WG's 6th for his 14th (Gray / Estevez)
7-23-16 Jaydog receives Species' 7th for his 12th (Ortiz)
8-01-16 darkside receives Slizz' 4th for his 9th (Pujols)
8-11-16 Pete receives Slizz' 7th for his 12th (Smyly)
8-13-16 WG receives Judy's 8th for his 9th (Sanchez / Markakis)
11-19-16 Great One receives Khahan's 5th for his 12th (Kershaw)
12-4-16 Species receives mjd's 1st, 2nd and 3rd for his 10th, 11th and 12th (Sanchez)
1-14-17 Fosten receives Meatwads' 2nd (Darvish, P-picks)
1-14-17 Guru receives Fosten's 3rd (Berrios)
These managers have had their 2018 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
3-19-16 Great One receives WG's 5th for his 9th (Grichuk / P-Pick)
3-20-16 bmd receives WG's 1st and 4th for his last 2 (Blackmon)
3-23-16 mjd receives WG's 7th for his 10th (Plouffe)
3-23-16 mjd receives Species' 6th for his 9th ('16 pick swap)
6-08-16 Great One receives Species' 5th for his 10th (R. Davis)
6-11-16 bmd receives PeteN's 6th for his 12th (Cingrani)
6-15-16 mjd receives WG's 6th for his 14th (Kang, Pearce)
7-20-16 Tree receives WG's 8th (Jones/Wainwright)
The following managers have had their 2018 Prospect Draft selections altered via trade:
3-20-16 bmd receives WG's 2nd (Blackmon)
5-15-16 mjd receives Tosh's 1st (Tanaka)
1-14-17 Meatwads receives Fosten's 1st (Darvish, etc)
Previous Champions
2003 (tie) Ref and StL Cards
2004 Ref
2005 Ref
2006 Beastiemiked
2007 Twarpy
2008 Ref
2009 Peter N
2010 Species
2011 (tie) Species and blue hen
2012 Toral
2013 Wazaaap Guy
2014 blue hen
2015 blue hen
2016 Species
Commissioner:
"Species" gmrobinson1@yahoo.com - "Tosh" lodnar@gmail.com - "Guru" (Treasurer) davehall@rotoguru2.com
Positions
C - 1 1B - 1 2B - 1 3B - 1 SS - 1 OF - 3 DH - 1 P - 6
Active - 15; Bench - 8; Total - 23; Must have active players on roster at each position
Returning Managers
As commissioners, we reserve the right NOT to extend an invitation to (or remove) any manager for any reason. Primary reason for being excluded would be abusive behavior, purposeful rules violations (ie colluding on a trade), inactivity (ie leaving injured/OUT players in as starters or not actively trying to improve your team), not participating in league business or repeated delays/unresponsive, or failure to pay your share of league fees. If an owner is removed or NOT invited back, a new owner will be recruited to take over the vacated team in its exact state. All monies will be forfeited.
Trade Policy
If there are 7 votes against the trade it will be sent to the commishs to be vetoed. There will be a min. of one full day to vote before the trade will be approved if the max objections are not reached. Everyone will be emailed by ESPN automatically as soon as the trade is accepted so they may review it. Make sure your email notifications are set up! Please check the site daily.
Trades involving draft picks/prospects will be listed in the trade and can also be posted on our leagues bulletin board and/or our thread at rotoguru.com. Note that off-season and pre-season (before draft is complete) trades will still be approved by the commishs.
Trades for draft picks - be they Supplemental or Prospect picks - may only be consummated within two drafts from the date of the trade. Example: in March 2015 before the Supplemental Draft, one can only trade either 2015 or 2016 picks. In June 2015, one could trade either 2016 or 2017 picks, etc.
Trade deadline - the trade deadline is the last day in August available in the ESPN website.
Minimums for GP and IP:
A team must accumulate a minimum of 1375 GP by hitters over the course of a season. For each 15 games of shortfall, a team is assigned one demerit. Demerits will be integer values only. Thus, a team with 1-15 games of shortfall will receive one demerit, 16-30 will receive 2 demerits, etc.
A team must accumulate a minimum of 1200 IP over the course of a season. For every shortfall of 15 IP, a team is assigned one demerit. Demerits will be integer values only. Thus, a team with 1-15 IP of shortfall will receive one demerit, 16-30 will receive 2 demerits, etc.
GP and IP demerits will be combined for each team.
If a team finishes “in the money” for prize pool purposes (ranked 1-6), then demerits will be ignored.
For lottery teams, the following penalties will be applied to every pick in the next year’s supplement draft:
If a team accumulates more than 10 demerits, then it will be removed from the lottery and assigned the 14th pick in all rounds (i.e., behind all lottery teams, but ahead of any prize pool teams.)
For teams with less than 10 demerits, that team is pushed forward one place in the supplemental draft rankings for each demerit. For example, if a team finishes in last place (20th) and has 5 demerits, then that team will be treated in the draft rankings as though it finished in 15th place (and the teams actually finishing in places 16-20 will each move down one place.)
If more than one lottery team has a demerit, then the lottery rankings will be successively applied starting with the worst finisher and then moving up to the next worst finisher, etc.
Keepers
There will be 9 players available to be kept heading into the season. You will have a deadline to post your keepers. You may change your keepers up until the deadline.
Players drafted in the Rule 4 draft the previous June are not eligible to be kept as keepers. This rule applies even if that player has played in the major leagues. All Rule 4 draftees must go through at least one Prospect Draft prior to being eligible as keepers.
2016 Prize Pool
There are 19 of 20 people in the prize pool @ $15 each. That means there is $285 to distribute. Teams are required to always be in it or out of it once they committed to it in 2005. These will be the payouts: 1st $110; 2nd 65; 3rd 45; 4th 30; 5th 20; 6th 15. If a non-participant places 1st-6th, his money will be reallocated so there is always a 100% payout. 1st-5th place will be moved up a spot in the prize money and the 6th place $15 will go to the treasury to help defray dues costs to all. Dues are used to pay for the league champion trophy and draft.
Supplemental and Prospect Draft Lotteries:
The lotteries for both the Supplemental and Prospect Drafts will be conducted within 30 days of the end of the previous season.
Timing of the Keeper Deadline, Prospect Draft and Supplemental Draft
Each March, as proposed by a Commissioner, the league hold the following events, in this order:
1) Keeper Deadline: all teams must designate their keepers. They may designate up to 9.
NOTE: At this time, once the Keeper Deadline has passed, managers may also call up prospects to their active roster. In this scenario, those prospects are separate from their 9 keepers.
ADDITIONALLY: Once the keeper deadline has passed, managers may exceed 9 or more players by trade.
2) Prospect Keeper Deadline: Managers designate their Prospect Keepers. They may designate up to 3.
3) Prospect draft picks are assigned and the Prospect Draft is commenced per our rules below.
4) The Supplemental Draft is completed.
Supplemental Draft, FA Pickups and Waivers
The Draft will be held prior to every season after Keepers are announced. A "NBA style" lottery will determine the top three selections. The lottery for the following season will be completed within 30 days of the end of regular season. Picks 4 - 20 and all picks in subsequent rounds will be in inverse order of previous years finish and will not snake.
Players must be available in the ESPN player pool to be drafted or added during the season via FA or WW. No amateur player may be drafted or picked up via FA or WW if the player in question still has amateur status or is a prospect. Also, if a player is drafted in the June MLB draft, while he may be freely picked up and used on a roster, please note that per our keeper rules they may not be kept the following season. All Rule 4 draftees must go through one Prospect Draft before they become keeper eligible.
There is a 3 hour per draft pick time limit and a cumulative time limit of 12 hours. (Subject to change). You may not exceed 23 players. You may not drop a player (or add a non-drafted player if you are short) until waivers have been turned on. You may trade for extra picks and you may trade your excess picks as long as it is done before the preceeding pick has been made. If you make a duplicate pick, the draft will continue and you may correct that pick at any time. Once you have been skipped, you will continue to be skipped until you are caught up. If a clock runs out, the next person on the clock will be charged for any time before his pick. If you are skipped due to a pick or c clock, you may still post your selection at any time.
Waivers will begin the season in the same order as the supplemental draft. Lottery picks and traded draft picks will not be considered when determining the waiver order.
Prospect Rules
Prospect Draft: The Prospect Draft will be held during the preseason after keepers are finalized (but before the Supplemental Draft). Drafts will be in inverse order of the final standings of the previous year and will not snake. A "NBA style" lottery will determine the top three selections. The lottery for the following season will be completed within 30 days of the end of regular season. Picks 4 - 20 and all picks in subsequent rounds will be in inverse order and will not snake. Players will be selected on our thread at rotoguru.com if possible. If that site is down, our draft will continue on the bulletin board of our page if we have knowledge of all picks selected previously. Ties will be broken by a dice roll. There will be up to 3 rounds.
A draft-eligible prospect is defined as a hitter that has less than 150 Major League at bats or a pitcher with less than both 55 Major League innings pitched and 20 Major League games pitched. Further, to be eligible, the player must be a professional baseball player, defined as one of the following:
- Under contract with a MLB team's system. This does not require them to have been assigned to a minor league team at the time of the draft.
- A professional player playing in/having played in Japan's Nippon Professional Baseball (NPB) league.
- A professional player playing in/having played in Korea's Korean Baseball Organization (KBO) league.
- A professional player playing in/having played in Cuba's top professional league, the Serie Nacional.
Amateur players in High School, College or otherwise subject to the Rule 4 draft are not eligible.
There will be a 3 hour per pick clock and a 4 hour cumulative clock to draft. If you are skipped, you may make your selection at any time. Time will not accrue from midnight to 8 am ET, though anyone may select during that time if their pick is up. Once the draft concludes, the only way to add a prospect is via trade or future drafts. After the draft, you may bring this player on your active roster at any time (as long as hes in the ESPN database) by dropping a player.
Managers may call-up and then send down their prospect up to two times without losing their rights as a prospect as long as that player has not hit the maximum ABs/IP/GP threshold. Once a commish allows the call-up, he will add the number of times that player has been called-up next to his name in the Prospect List below. At the end of the season, all prospects on the roster will be considered optioned so they won't have to be counted as a keeper so long as they have not hit their threshold. Before a commish will option or send-down a prospect, he will look at the stats for that player including games played that day if the lineup freeze has passed. If a prospect is renounced or hits his threshold while on your roster (called up), his name will be removed from your prospect list.
All prospects are listed above. It is each managers responsibility to alert a commish when your prospect is entered into the ESPN database so an email alert can be attached.
Before the season at the keeper deadline all hitters must have less than 300 ABs and pitchers less than 110 IP or 40 GP or they must be moved to your active roster or released. Managers must monitor their own prospects. If they are later to have found to be over the max. at that deadline, the player will be immediately removed as a prospect and put on waivers.
At the prospect draft keeper deadline, all managers must have no more than 3 keepers on their prospect list. They may keep all three or none as long as none have been traded, (see below) but they will only get as many draft picks as it takes to max their prospects at three, barring a trade.
Prospect draft picks are assigned after your prospect keepers are announced. So if you have 3 prospect keepers, you dont have a prospect draft pick to trade. You may trade a pick at any time, but if you have traded a prospect draft pick, you may only declare two keepers. If youve traded two picks, you can only keep one and if youve traded all three, you may keep none. Once prospects have been declared and draft picks assigned, a manager may again exceed three prospects via trade.
Alphabetical list of Prospects:
Brady Aiken
Ozhaino Albies
Anthony Alford
Albert Almora
Aaron Altherr
Tim Anderson
Mark Appel
Franklin Barreto
Josh Bell
Cody Bellinger
Andrew Benintendi
Jose Berrios
Greg Bird
Bobby Bradley
Alex Bregman
Dylan Bundy
JP Crawford
David Dahl
Jose DeLeon
Rafael Devers
Anderson Espinoza
Lucius Fox
Clint Frazier
Carson Fulmer
Lucas Giolito
Nick Gordon
Hunter Harvey
Aaron Judge
Max Kepler
Kenta Maeda
Francis Martes
Eddy Julio Martinez
Jorge Mateo
Ryan McMahon
Austin Meadows
Yoan Moncada
Raul Mondesi
Sean Newcomb
Matt Olson
Shohei Otani
Byung-Ho Park
Brett Phillips
Roman Quinn
AJ Reed
Cody Reed
Victor Robles
Brendan Rogers
Dominic Smith
Tyler Stephenson
Robert Stephenson
Gleyber Torres
Trea Turner
Julio Urias
Nick Williams
Bradley Zimmer |
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| 401 | Tree
ID: 77532019
Wed, Mar 22, 2017, 22:00
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re 399 true that!
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| 402 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Thu, Mar 23, 2017, 12:49
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Still awaiting $15 dues from Tree and Nerf.
Meatwads, you have to decide if you are in the baseball pool or not. You also owe $15 for G20 hoops, regardless. $30 if in for both sports.
Thumqer - you can wait a year to join the pool if you wish. Regardless, please let me know of your intent: joining now, or deferring.
Thanks to everyone else for your prompt payments.
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| 403 | ttucowboy
ID: 8550318
Thu, Mar 23, 2017, 16:55
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Calling up Mitch Haniger and forfeiting pick 14.12. Also with my acquisition of picks 1.03 and 1.12, forfeiting picks 13.12 and 14.02.
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| 404 | Fosten
ID: 71512716
Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 15:48
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Trade Announcement
Fosten receives
7.17
2018 10th round supplemental pick
bmd receives
11.14
2018 6th round supplemental pick
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| 405 | Bmd
ID: 825715
Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 15:59
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Confirm
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| 406 | Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 16:44
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Trade processed in Draftime. Fosten is on the clock.
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| 407 | Species
ID: 46252312
Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 17:25
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Trade announcement:
Bmd receives:
Species 2017 10.11
2019 7th
Species receives:
Bmd 8.02
2019 11th
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| 408 | Bmd
ID: 825715
Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 17:35
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Confirm.
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| 409 | Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 17:45
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Trade processed in Draftime. Species is in the hole.
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| 410 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 21:45
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Thumqer and I forgot to specify him getting my last round pick for the Kepler trade. He should have my 14.05 as I'll be done after my 13.05 pick.
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| 411 | Fosten
ID: 4097314
Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 22:03
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Trade Announcement
Fosten receives
8.06
2018 11th round supplemental pick
Meatwads receives
12.14
2018 7th round supplemental pick
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| 412 | Meatwads
ID: 401452213
Fri, Mar 24, 2017, 22:04
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Confirmed.
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| 413 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Sat, Mar 25, 2017, 01:05
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@410 thanks for mentioning that darkside!
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| 414 | Meatwads
ID: 28231618
Sat, Mar 25, 2017, 13:20
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TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT
WG receives :
Pick 8.20
Pick 9.06
2018 14th round pick
2019 14th round pick
Meatwads receives :
Pick 14.16
Pick 14.17
2018 7th round pick
2019 8th round pick
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| 415 | WG
ID: 35338278
Sat, Mar 25, 2017, 13:23
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Confirm
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| 416 | GO
ID: 17312218
Sun, Mar 26, 2017, 10:33
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If Species times out he should be subject to severe sanctions!
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| 417 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 12:15
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416: I know! I'm such a tyrant.
Close but no cigar.
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The draft continues and we are on track for Thursday finish (in the middle of the night). Let's shoot to bang this sucker out by Wednesday and give us some time to re-load all of the rosters and get guys on waivers.
Reminder: until rosters are re-entered and players are placed on waivers, there are NO pick ups besides our draft. That will have us pushing Opening Day, but we should be good.
PS - great pre-season!! Probably the most hectic, trade-filled pre-season ever. Or at least in my memory. Tons of post-keeper blockbusters and big number of in-draft trades. Good time for pick sellers!
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| 418 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 14:46
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* LEAGUE ANNOUNCEMENT *
Per my email, we are getting to the point where lost of teams are going to be forfeiting picks.......and we need to have our 4 admins aware of what picks are being forfeited so we can process the end of our draft smoothly.
Here is the list I have. This is based upon a quick look of existing rosters and remaining picks. This assumes everyone has picked up their players:
Species: 14.06 and 14.07
mjd: 13.19 and 14.01
Bean 14.09
WG 12.16, 13.06 and 13.16
Khahan 13.11 and 14.11
ttucowboy (already posted): 13.12, 14.02 and 14.12
Fosten 13.14 and 14.14
blue hen: 13.13, 14.13 and 14.18
Guru: 13.18 and 14.19
Tree: 13.07
Some teams will end up short of the 23 man roster at the end of the draft. In some cases, there were trades that happened where Player A got a pick but Player B did not. If you don't designate it, I do NOT assume that Player B gets the last pick from Player A.
Please certify your own teams' forfeited picks. Thanks.
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| 419 | Bean
ID: 27592412
Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 14:51
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Confirmed, I forfeit 14.09
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| 420 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 15:00
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Thumqer gets my 14.05. Sorry we didn't specify that!
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| 421 | Guru
ID: 330592710
Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 15:02
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List is correct. My final pick will be 12.18, forfeiting the final 2
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| 422 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 15:11
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I see someone had already taken care of my 14.05. Thanks to all the admins for keeping the draft going!
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| 423 | Judy
ID: 35493114
Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 15:25
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I am forfeiting 14.04 I used 10th on Stephenson.
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| 424 | Bmd
ID: 825715
Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 15:48
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Trade in post 378 should've included the following to square up:
Bmd receives 2017 13.12
Ttucowboys receives bmd's 2018 11th round supp pick.
Ttu to confirm.
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| 425 | ttucowboy
ID: 8550318
Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 16:17
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Confirmed
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| 426 | Fosten
ID: 4097314
Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 16:29
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Confirmed, I forfeit 13.14 and 14.14. Thanks.
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| 427 | Khahan
ID: 532492715
Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 16:49
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Confirmed, 13.11 and 14.11 are taken up by Bregman and Bell.
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| 428 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 17:58
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424: Corrected both on ESPN trade list and in Draftime.
423: Judy is correct. She missed picking up S. Pearce so I was off in my count.
Thanks to those that have confirmed so far.
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| 429 | mjd
ID: 242182610
Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 19:33
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Confirmed, I forfeit 13.19 and 14.01
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| 430 | blue hen
ID: 5254718
Mon, Mar 27, 2017, 23:02
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I'm done, 13.13, 14.13, and 14.18 aren't needed - Archer, Bautista, and Paxton in those spots. I've drafted 8, plus 9 keepers, plus 6 via trade. So I'm all done!
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| 431 | Species
ID: 46252312
Tue, Mar 28, 2017, 00:13
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Great.
Draftime Admins -- please use post 418 to skip picks as they come up.
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| 432 | Species
ID: 46252312
Tue, Mar 28, 2017, 14:10
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In order, we are skipping the following:
Round 13: 11 13 14 16 18 19
Round 14: 1 2 4 6 7 11 12 13 14 18 19
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| 433 | Bean
ID: 27592412
Tue, Mar 28, 2017, 14:35
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You missed my 14.09 to be skipped as well
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| 434 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 29, 2017, 12:02
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What a bright idea. Get your a$$ organized and bang out the last 2 rounds in a day by properly skipping forfeited picks. Great concept.
Great job everyone (except WG for easily the worst abuse of the clock)! Thank you for your diligence and attention to the draft.
NEXT STEP: Tosh will jump in at some point and "re-enter" our draft. In order to get all of the undrafted players onto the Waiver Wire, we must erase all of our existing work and start anew.
Accordingly, NO FREE AGENT PICKUPS CAN OCCUR until the draft is re-entered. You should get a notification from ESPN when this occurs. If you block those emails, then the other clue will be that all of the free agents are on waivers. We will reset the waiver order in inverse order of 2016's finish. Once all players are on waivers, it is a free for all and open season on waiver and FA pickups.
We should have all of this done in time for Opening Day on Sunday.
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Separately, I have to say this has been the craziest, most active offseason and preseason in my memory of G20. It has been awesome to see 5 or 6 teams going balls-out on trades -- be it post-keeper trades and definitely in-draft trades. Great time to be a seller of picks!
It was a pain in my a$$ to administer so I am REALLY glad it is over.......but I cannot complain too much because this is the type of action, activity and attention to the league that I have been steering the league towards. I hope everyone else is enjoying it too.
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| 435 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 29, 2017, 12:12
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Saving for posterity before deleting:
These managers have had their 2017 Supplemental Draft selections altered via trade:
3-19-16 bmd receives Pete's 1st and 2nd (Beltre + 2016 2nd) for his last 2 picks
3-20-16 bmd receives blue hen's 7th for his 9th (2016 pick swap)
5-06-16 bmd receives WG's 3rd for his 12th (Carter)
5-06-16 Meatwads receives Species' 8th for his 14th (Lowrie)
6-02-16 Meatwads receives WG's 5th for his 13th (Crush / Carrasco etc)
6-06-16 bmd receives WG's 6th for his 11th (Calhoun)
6-09-16 slizz receives WG's 2nd for his 3rd (Nunez / Castillo)
6-09-16 Khahan receives Species' 6th for his 10th (Cervelli)
6-12-16 Tree receives WG's 7th for his 9th (Marte/Andrus)
6-22-16 blue hen receives WG's 6th for his 14th (Gray / Estevez)
7-23-16 Jaydog receives Species' 7th for his 12th (Ortiz)
8-01-16 darkside receives Slizz' 4th for his 9th (Pujols)
8-11-16 Pete receives Slizz' 7th for his 12th (Smyly)
8-13-16 WG receives Judy's 8th for his 9th (Sanchez / Markakis)
11-19-16 Great One receives Khahan's 5th for his 12th (Kershaw)
12-4-16 Species receives mjd's 1st, 2nd and 3rd for his 10th, 11th and 12th (Sanchez)
1-14-17 Fosten receives Meatwads' 2nd (Darvish, P-picks)
1-14-17 Guru receives Fosten's 3rd (Berrios)
1-18-17 blue hen receives Meatwads' 1.07 for his 13.17 (Verlander/Gallo)
1-27-17 WG receives WG's 3.19 for his 6.19* (Herrera)
*this pick completes the trade dated 6-22-16 with blue hen
2-21-17 slizz receives Guru's 4.18 for his 14.19 (Oh)
2-26-17 darkside receives Thumper's 4th (Kepler)
2-28-17 Nerfherders receives slizz' 3.19 for his 14.03 (A. Espinoza)
3-01-17 Meatwads receives Khahan's 3.11 for his 12.06 (Keuchel)
3-03-17 Species receives bmd's 10.02 for his 14.20 ('18 pick swap)
3-06-17 slizz receives Great One's 4.08 for his 14.03 (D. Santana)
3-10-17 blue hen receives Great One's 3.08 for his 12.17 (Bedrosian/Odorizzi)
3-13-17 Tosh receives blue hen's 1.07 (via Meatwads), 1.17, 2.17, 3.17 and 6.17 for his 8.15, 13.15 and 14.15 (Bautista / Colome)
3-13-17 Tree receives Species' 1.20, 3.20 and 9.20 for his 8.07, 10.07 and 14.07 (Encarnacion / P-Picks)
3-14-17 Nerfherders receives Meatwads' 3.06 for his 5.03 (P-pick swap)
3-14-17 Great One receives blue hen's 8.17 (Devers / p-picks)
3-17-17 Guru receives blue hen's 3.08 for his 14.18 (Prospect Pick)
3-19-17 ttucowboy receives bmd's 1.03 (2018 Prospect Pick)
3-19-17 ttucowboy receives bmd's 1.12 for his 13.12 (2018 supp and prospect picks)
3-20-17 Species receives Tree's 1.20 for his 4.20 (2018 supp pick)
3-23-17 mjd receives slizz' 13.19 (Heyward, 2018 pick)
3-24-17 Fosten receives bmd's 7.17 for his 11.14 (2018 pick swap)
3-24-17 Species recieves bmd's 8.02 for his 10.11 (2018 pick swap)
3-24-17 Fosten receives Meatwads' 8.06 for his 12.14 (2018 pick swap)
3-25-17 WG receives Meatwads' 8.20 and 9.06 for his 14.16 and 14.17 (2018 pick swap)
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| 436 | Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Wed, Mar 29, 2017, 15:26
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I'm not sure what happened but my team reverted to it's pre-draft roster, and is now locked.
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| 437 | Khahan
ID: 367431722
Wed, Mar 29, 2017, 15:51
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436 - nerf: you sure you didn't open up a link to last years league? I had to change my bookmark and reload the app on my phone to get rid of it.
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| 438 | Nerfherders
ID: 33543714
Wed, Mar 29, 2017, 16:48
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I think the rosters were just temporary and everything was reset to enter it as draft results. I just got an email with draft results.
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| 439 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 29, 2017, 17:21
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It looks like Tosh is entering all of the post-keeper trades. With all of the activity and guys flying back and forth between teams, it is a big time job to put it all together accurately.
I see my post-keeper guys on there now. Give it a little time. Tosh will likely post his recap once he is finished.
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| 440 | Tosh
Dude
ID: 057721710
Wed, Mar 29, 2017, 18:08
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As Species said above ... this was the most active draft we've ever had. Unfortunately, ESPN does not offer the easiest way of entering such a complex series of transactions. I'm now at 4 hours on this project!!
THINGS OF NOTE -- I cannot find any trades that resolve these issues.
1. Meatwads have only 21 players
2. Thumpers have only 21 players
3. GO drafted Ryan Howard at 14.08, but has 23 players already
4. Tree drafted Jefry Marte at 12.07, but has 23 players already
The draft has now been re-set, and re-entered. Unfortunately, ESPN did not allow to make roster changes to the keepers while entering draft results, so it made the process a little trickier.
So I had to -
- Re-set the draft
- Enter the 10th/11th keepers
- Enter the draft results - ESPN did not allow going over 23 players.
- Close the draft
- Process all the in-draft trades.
- Go back and add additional draftees, so that everyone has 23 players.
- Set the Waiver order
I think I did it correctly. But it is possible that I missed a trade.
PLEASE CHECK YOUR ROSTER FOR ACCURACY!!
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| 441 | Species
Dude
ID: 07724916
Wed, Mar 29, 2017, 19:16
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THANK YOU TOSH! I appreciate the assist greatly.
Everyone please check your rosters and advise of any discrepancies. If so, post them here.
Otherwise, business is open as usual. All players are now on waivers and we can all now make waiver claims and free agent moves (as well as trades!).
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| 442 | Thumqer
ID: 39230821
Wed, Mar 29, 2017, 19:58
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Thanks guys!
I'm glad you mentioned trades because Adam Eaton is available! Anyone interested please reach out.
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| 443 | darkside
ID: 81492120
Wed, Mar 29, 2017, 23:00
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My roster looks good. Thanks Species, Tosh, and everyone else who worked to get the draft done and the season started. Good luck to all!
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| 444 | Blue hen
ID: 410452818
Sat, Apr 01, 2017, 12:06
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Trade Announcement
WG receives:
Adrian Morejon (p)
Travis D'Arnaud
Raimel Tapia
BH 2018 7th
BH receives:
Bryce Harper
WG 2018 14th
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| 445 | slizz
ID: 22234211
Sat, Apr 01, 2017, 17:20
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TRADE ANNOUNCEMENT (not an April fools either)
BMD trades:
Blake Treinen, RP, WSH
2018 8th rd s-draft
Slizz trades:
Alan Hanson, 2B, PIT
2018 3rd rd s-draft (MJD's - post 300 in preseason thread)
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| 446 | Bmd
ID: 825715
Sat, Apr 01, 2017, 17:57
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Confirm
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| 447 | slizz
ID: 3556212
Sun, Apr 02, 2017, 00:27
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Ahh yes...spring is in the air, which means its G20 Time! This is one league I can always get excited about. Extremely talented, engaged owners who know their stuff. As I put the painful finish to 2016 behind me, it taught me many lessons. This diary is getting harder to write given my time constraints with chasing after two little girls...nevertheless, enjoy!
OFFSEASON DEALING
I found myself needing to shed my excess fat before keepers were declared, and was able to find landing spots for 4 of my keeper-quality leftovers:
-Kelvin Herrera, RP, KC for a 2nd and 6th rd pick swap: WG gets a tier 2 closer, with tier 1 upside, I get a 2nd rd pick. What is funny about this is that WG basically traded his 2nd round pick in exchange for the rights to Nunez, Herrera, and a 6th round pick if you look at it from a net standpoint.'
-Seung-hwan "The final Boss" Oh, RP, STL to Guru for 4.18: I admit, I definitely sold Oh at an extreme discount. Oh is an elite closer...good for Guru. The market for closers is generally a 3, but I didn't want to overplay my hand either. Sure, I could've potentially extracted more for him, but I had other deals to make and I didn't want to drag it out to the deadline. Early bird gets the worm.
-Domingo Santana, OF, MIL to GO for 4.08: I don't get why the market all of the sudden got hot for Domingo after I traded him. Good for GO. He should be kept with an on base % north of .340 and the power upside he possesses. In Milwaukee. Should make for a great fantasy starter. Really happy for GO that he made this move.
-Robbie Ray to MJD for his 2018 S-Draft 3rd: MJD gets a high upside keeper who strikes out a ton of hitters. I get a 3rd round pick in my pocket that I could use if I find myself a buyer.
-Anderson Espinoza from Nerfherders for pick 3.19.
KEEPERS
1B - Eric Hosmer, KC
3B - Nolan Arenado, COL
SS - Carlos Correa, HOU
OF - Gregory Polanco, PIT
OF - Byron Buxton, MIN
UT - Anthony Rendon, 3B, WSH
SP - Stephen Strasburg, WSH
SP - Sean Manaea, OAK
RP - Wade Davis, CHC
The last keeper spot came down to two players:
Sean Manaea and Robbie Ray. I spent a great deal researching the two and came to the conclusion that both are pretty awesome.
-Sean Manaea: Had the biggest 1H-2H GB% jump in the MLB. Pair it with more swinging K's and fewer balls. Post ASB ERA 2.67 over 77 IP with an elite level K/9.
-Robbie Ray: One of the best K/9 ratios in baseball (12 K/9) Ratio backed by a 13% SwK% and Ground Ball % jumped by 10% during the last month.
The x-factor to me was o.co coliseum or whatever its called these days. I figure he will have a better chance of keeping his ratios low whereas Ray might strike a ton of batters out, but still pitches in Arizona and has a career WHIP north of 1.3.
POST-KEEPER THOUGHT
Seeing how the Tosh / BH trade fell through, I agree with an assertion Bean made last season:
Just make the deadlines at the same time.
I get the intention to the 24 hour delay: It allows competing teams to trade one of their prospects in exchange for an extra keeper, while also getting their prospect pick back from the player that departs in the upcoming draft. My question is as follows: How does this help the league?
The rebuilding teams lose a keeper, and lose a pick in the upcoming p-draft to make room for the prospect they acquire. To me, it only helps those competing...which isn't good for the entire league.
I would even move towards a proposal to make it effective 2018 to close this loophole.
PROSPECT DRAFT
As the draft deadline was nearing and I began to input players into the database, I realized Nerfherders had a top 4 pick and 3 top prospects (Bellinger #6 - Law and Frazier #27 - Law and Anderson Espinoza). Honestly? It's something I should've realized when trading Madison Bumgarner for Buxton / Ray last year.
That said, it was pretty clear that Bellinger and Frazier (two top 20 prospects) are going to be kept and, if he wanted Pick #4, Nerf needed to 10th keep one of those 3. I shot Nerf an email and he was open to it. At the time, I really didn't know much about Espinoza other than that he has a high 90's fastball, is 19, and has Pedro Martinez like upside. Furthermore, I get a universal top 40 prospect who would go in the 1st round had he been available. Nerf picks up some extra s-draft capital and retains that #4 pick in a deep draft. Win / win all-around.
The prospect draft is what I enjoy the most about G20. Everybody is just about on equal playing field attempting to unearth the next superstar keeper. I changed my strategy up by splitting my pitching and hitting prospects rather than lump them together like last year. I figured I was going to take a positional player given that I had Espinoza in fold.
Positional
Ronald Acuna (1.13 - Me)
Kevin Maitan (1.02 - MJD) - The ultimate package to dream on. Could be the next Miguel Cabrera.
Nick Senzel (1.04 - Meatwads) - The consensus #1 prospect available.
Vlad Guerrero, Jr. (1.03 - bmd) - Another bat to dream on. 17 and already showing potential to be the next star MLB bat
Kyle Tucker (1.10 - Thumqer) - Next Hunter Pence?
Lazaro "Lazarito" Armenteros (Not Drafted) - Thought long and hard about him...but ultimately went Ray.
Corey Ray (1.19 - Me)
Mickey Moniak (1.01 - Judy) - Think Christian Yelich, but with more power.
Zach Collins (1.06 - BH) - I called this one from the beginning. Power Bat? Check. Gets on base? Check. Sign BH up.
Willy Adames (1.09 - Meatwads) - Just an all around good player. Centerpiece from the David Price trade
Ian Happ (1.14 - MJD) - Was my "fallback" pick at 19.
Isan Diaz (2.05 - Tree) - Good upside play. Gets on base and has 20+ HR power.
Chance Sisco (2.13 - Tree) - Wasn't on my radar until I read John Sickel's review of him calling him an "on base machine".
Alex Verdugo (2.02 - Judy) - Fine player. Thought he could ascend more amongst the rankings than he actually did and was hoping to trade like Species did with Brinson.
Yusniel Diaz (Undrafted) - 8 figure bonus given by the Dodgers back in 2015. Thought he could be a good upside play.
**Blake Rutherford (1.16 - BH) - No revisionist history here. I flat out slept on him and didn't re-read Keith Law who has him #22. BP had him below where I even looked, so I moved along...I was so obsessed with getting Acuna that I honestly ignored him.
Pitching
Jason Groome (1.17 - Thumqer) - Will write more below
Yadier Alvarez (1.12 - Pete N.) - Was surprised how far he fell...one day he might be taken before Kershaw in redrafts.
Cal Quantrill (Undrafted) - my boy.
Sandy Alcantara (Undrafted) - 100mph fastball. More of a project, but if he can harness it...there is upside of a SP1. Floor is that of a 2015/16 Archie Bradley though (aka trash).
Brent Honeywell (2.07 - Bean) - BP top 25 prospect. Excellent Command. Boring, but will be a solid pro.
Michael Kopech (1.08 - Tree) - As a Sox fan, I want to see him succeed. I question his secondary offerings and see him more as an elite closer (I know I'm in the minority).
AJ Puk (2.12 - MJD) - Was in contention for the top pick in the rule 4 draft. Pitches in Oakland.
Adrian Morejon (Mr. Irrelevant Prospect Pick 3.02 - BH) - Big bonus out of Cuba. Pitches in San Diego. Lots to dream on.
The Prospect Draft
You did not read incorrectly. Acuna was the #1 rated player on my board. Only a handful of prospects (already owned) I would select over him...the trade to get Acuna is what I'll elaborate on.
Once Blue Hen acquired pick 1.16 (Devers Trade), I got nervous that he might be in the market for Acuna as well. The last thing I wanted was to see his monthly updates about Acuna's progress in the minors (like Devers) and I did nothing to get the guy I coveted so highly.
I sent messages to MJD, Pete (ttucowboy), and lastly, Meatwads, looking to move up in the draft. Pete was ecstatic that Yadier Alvarez was potentially, and unexpectedly, available so told me that he wasn't trading the pick should Alvarez fall. MJD was open to it, but wanted to see who would be available when he was on the clock before considering it. I then sent Meatwads a message seeing what he thought about trading his pick. Meatwads was very excited that Yadier Alvarez could, also, be available to him.
When Pete selected Alvarez, Meatwads was sent back to the drawing board. It dawned on me that I had Espinoza and figured it was worth a shot to offer Espinoza for the selection outright. He thought about it for fifteen minutes and said yes. It wasn't my intention to trade Espinoza, but if it got me Acuna, I could live with the net loss of player I would take at 19 (targeting Groome or Quantrill).
Turns out, all that panic was for naught. Blue Hen was going Rutherford all the way. Good chance Acuna would've fallen to me anyhow...good for Meatwads as well securing a fangraphs favorite. Hopefully I don't end up with an egg on my face
39.13 - Ronald Acuna, OF, ATL
As Thumqer said to me after I drafted him "Acuna Matata!" The best way to describe him is Victor Robles...but with about 10-15 more HR / year. My type of prospect.
As Baseball Prospectus said "Acuna is a full season being all over the prospect map, and it would've happened in 2016 if not for a torn thumb ligament that required surgery...he shows that should serve him well in the future...He doesn't look the part of a prodigious home-run hitter, but there's plus power in the profile due to an explosive swing. He has an advanced approach at the play with good tracking and pitch recognition skills, and he's a plus runner with a decent chance to stick in center. He's still a long way away from the majors...but if the whole package comes together, there's all-star potential there. You might just have to wait until the 2020's to see him in the Midsummer classic."
From Keith Law: He does have the ceiling of an elite player -- a .300/.375 AVG/OB% guy with 15-plus homers and plus-plus defense in center, which could make him a top 10 or 15 player in the league..."
Maybe I'm reading too much into it...but the more I read on him, the more excited that I am to have him on my squad.
***UPDATE*** The other day he hit three (3) "no doubt" Homeruns in consecutive at bats!!!
39.19 - Corey Ray, OF, MIL
I really wanted Ian Happ at this pick due to my gap at 2B. Happ is a higher floor prospect than a high ceiling. Happ is a pretty safe bet to be a 10th keeper in 2018 as well...
My fallback for Ian Happ was Jason Groome...when Thumqer went with Groome at 17, I was disappointed...especially after BH was going with Rutherford all along. I gave up Espinoza for Acuna (who I am smitten with), but now am left with another OF rather than a SP.
I know Quantrill was listed high up there...but what scares me is the Stanford factor. Appel was a consensus top pick, went to Stanford instead of the MLB, and Stanford screwed him up...just like they did with another top prospect and former slizz farmhand, Austin Wilson. I am hesitant to invest in Quantrill this year until I see how he develops and un-f's whatever the Stanford coaches put into his head.
I went back to the board at Baseball Prospectus and Dynasty Guru and took the highest rated player left...Corey Ray (#187 in DG Top 500 and #2 BP Fantasy Player from the 2016 Rule 4 draft):
Don’t let a disappointing pro debut stand in the way of nabbing Ray with a high pick; he still possesses some of the best athleticism available and it has the potential to show up with 15-20 home run power and enough speed to steal 30-plus bags. If that sounds like a potentially exciting fantasy player, it’s because it is.
Hopefully he takes off in the rankings...I'm not married to him, so if you are interested let me know!
***UPDATE*** As I am typing my diary of Robert Gsellman, that should've been my pick. It would've allowed me to get Eduardo Rodriguez while simultaneously calling up Gsellman. I just didn't have him listed in my pitching prospects much like I didn't have Rutherford for whatever reason. Oh well.
Supplemental Draft
G20 has a 1400 inning limit...or as I like to call the draft, "the road to 1400". I knew I needed to hit pitching early and often as I no longer have Jose Fernandez anchoring down my staff. My goal is usually 1250 projected IP as I figure to stream or pickup a starter along the way. At the beginning of the draft, I don't even have 400 innings:
-Stephen Strasburg, 150 IP
-Sean Manaea, 170 IP
-Wade Davis, 50 IP
I knew I needed to go SP with the first pick. I had a pre-draft deal ironed out with WG to trade from 1.19 to 1.16 should Rich Hill been available for selection. I had a feeling Guru might be eyeing him up, so this was a way to secure his rights. Texas Pete played some hold-em and made a deal nobody expected...so much for that. My focus then turned to one other name: John Lackey.
1.19 - John Lackey, SP, CHC
Old Slizz would've taken Dylan Bundy with this selection. I learned my lesson in 2016 the hard way -- I ultimately gave up a championship with aggressive selections rather than conservative selections (Patrick Corbin and Jimmy Nelson)...I wanted to do the same thing here by going with two "breakout" candidates like Bundy an Daniel Norris to start this draft.
In 2016, I already had the "big 3" of MadBum, JoFer, and Stras...there was no need to be aggressive when I should've turned my focus to inning eaters like Lackey while allowing my big dogs to eat. Despite the constant 5 ER stink-bombs from Corbin and Nelson, I was still dominating SP early on. That good fortune did not last all season, and in August-September, I had an implosion like no other where my aces collectively took a dump. There was no consistency to fall back on. Had I made high floor, conservative, selections...there is a good chance I would have been picking 1.20 versus 1.19.
Lackey has been Mr. Consistency since coming back from Tommy John. His fastball is consistently 93-95 and plays on the best regular season team in baseball. His ratios were fine last year, but was a tad unlucky with respect to the W column (Only 11). I'm hoping that rebounds and he can give me 180+, low risk, IP with the same line (more wins, of course :P) as 2016:
3.35 ERA / 1.06 WHIP / 180k / 15+ W?
If Lackey does that, I will have approximately 550 IP logged. I figured I would get one of Bundy or Norris with my next selection to compliment Lackey's 180 IP.
2.16 - Matt Moore, SP, SF
I thought there was a good chance that Dylan Bundy would be selected by the time I picked...so I "moved on" with my expectation of getting Bundy and turned my focus on getting Norris.
Set a 3-man queue of:
Dylan Bundy
Daniel Norris
Eduardo Rodriguez
Like I stated above, I fully expected Bundy to get selected...Great One up at 2.08: Norris, Daniel P DET. Everyone knows that feeling of disappointment when they see a player they wanted, and expected, to get selected just before you had a shot. That was me when I saw Norris get taken by GO. I get this is a keeper league, so young arms are at a premium...Bravo, GO. Congratulations and enjoy Norris.
I worked nightshift the entire draft, so when I got home around 7AM, Jim Johnson was the last selection at 2.09. I thought for a second prior to going to bed...wow, I might actually get Dylan Bundy. Since I didn't turn my phone on silent, I began to get texts that I am on the clock around noon...I pick up my phone, immediately go to draftime and see that Fosten has broken my heart, taking Bundy at 14...two selections before me! I should've expected it as it seemed too good to be true...so I sent Fosten a message and moved on.
Now, I was left wondering if I should choose E-Rod here. I selected E-Rod from the drop down menu, but couldn't bring myself to hit "make draft selection" just yet. I tell Species my pick is likely E-Rod, but to give me some time to make sure he has spot in the rotation.
I came across an article which painted the picture in a favorable light for E-Rod:
The David Price injury may buy Pomeranz some time at the beginning of the year, but with Chris Sale in the mix, somebody will have to go, and provided Steven Wright is healthy, it’ll come down to Pomeranz and Eduardo Rodriguez, an up-and-coming 23-year-old who ended last year with a 3.30 ERA, 1.05 WHIP and 9.6 strikeouts per nine innings in 11 starts while Pomeranz was stinking up the joint.
Nice! Right above that was a link to "Breakouts 2.0".
Breakouts 2.0 welcomes Jose Peraza from sleepers list, brings Dylan Bundy, Joc Pederson into fold
I still had cold feet with respect to Eduardo Rodriguez, so figured I might as well take a look since I pick at 2.19 as well. First name up there is Matt Moore. I always liked Matt Moore when he was in Tampa, but his loss of velocity was the big reason why he struggled when he came back from Tommy John. With the best catcher in the game, Buster Posey, calling the shots, the world saw what he is capable of doing when he shut down the Cubs in the NLDS. Combined with the fact that he is a "breakout candidate", I figured I might as well roll the dice here.
I'm confident that Moore will give me 180+ IP, elite ratios due to the SF bump and Posey.
A couple days later, the following article came out, which affirmed my selection:
Giant Expectations
Furthermore, his velocity is up from 92.3 MPH (last spring) to 94.6 MPH (this spring).
2.19 - Robert Gsellman, SP, NYM
I couldn't believe that I was passing on Eduardo Rodriguez with this pick. While I waited an hour to select, I did my normal readings and brought up the Dynasty Guru 500:
203 - Gsellman
290 - E-Rod
I then went to Razzball:
70 - Gsellman
92 - E-Rod
Then, I came across this blurb on ESPN:
The Mets got more phone calls from GMs asking about the availability of Gsellman than about any other player this offseason, but they correctly and quietly rejected all of the inquiries. Gsellman has had a strong spring to back up his strong finish with the Mets last September.
Gsellman’s four-pitch mix is strong, and his competitiveness and strike-throwing ability make him a strong bet to be the real thing. The Mets’ rotation is deep and strong, and he has had a lot of competition with pitchers such as Seth Lugo and Zack Wheeler, but there is no doubt in my mind that somehow he ends up with 30 starts and an ERA in the 3.00s if he stays healthy. I’m a believer.
3 picks in, the road to 1400 is as follows:
-Stephen Strasburg, 150 IP
-Sean Manaea, 170 IP
-John Lackey, 180 IP
-Matt Moore, 180 IP
-Robert Gsellman, 170 IP
-Wade Davis, 50 IP
900 IP...2/3rds of the way done!
With a rotation spot not guaranteed in Boston, this felt like the safer selection. GO - could you please give us your insight on E-Rod??
If I could get a mulligan, I would've prospected Gsellman at 1.19, taken E-Rod here, and got Solarte at my next pick.
4.08 - Yangervis Solarte, 2B/3B, SD
Eduardo Rodriguez was still there. I was going to go E-Rod with this selection and look to take one of Drury or Solarte at 18...go figure, Tree HAD to take Brandon Drury right before me. I desperately needed a 2B who was going to start all season. Solarte does not have 2B eligibility yet, but it appears that Bud Black is going to let 3rd base come down to Schimpf vs Sapenberg and start Solarte at the keystone.
As per Draftime, Drury has an ADP of 205 while Solarte has an ADP of 208. As much as I wanted to get E-Rod on my team, the more pressing need was to secure my starting 2B for the season. Solarte was the last of my "targets":
-Travis (own in RIBC)
-Drury (3B/OF, will be 2B/3B/OF after 10 games) - that multi-position eligibility plus upside makes for an intriguing play.
-Solarte (3B, will be 2B after 10 games)
If I did not get Solarte, I would be left going with a patchwork 2B (Joe Panik) for the entire year. Filling 2B was a bigger priority than another 150 IP. Solarte is slated to bat in the 3 or 4 hole for San Diego...therefore he should get some nice RBI opportunities while possibly scoring some runs. Using 2016's stats projected over 600 AB, his line would look as follows:
.340 OB% / 81 R / 22 HR / 105 RBI
He does that, we're talking keeper at 2B.
4.18 - Addison Reed, RP, NYM
Honestly? This is the only pick I really dislike. I went with Reed for the guaranteed saves while Familia is out for what I thought would be one month (just found out today - 15 games). Reed's ratios have been great, but I definitely whiffed here in terms of extracting max value.
I really wanted Matt Bush and somehow managed to get 0 shares of him anywhere. He is the best closer in Texas and like Fosten mentioned in his RIBC analysis, I fully expect Dyson (#1 pitch to contact closer in MLB) to lose his job by June to Bush.
5.19 - Kyle Barraclough, RP, MIA
when compiling my list of RP targets, I identified 3 priorty arms:
1) Barraclough
2) Hand
3) Bush
Barraclough is one of eight relievers with 100+ strikeouts in 2016. He just turned 26 and is now entering his prime. With Capps gone, he is only blocked by Ramos...Should Ramos falter, it would be a huge coup for my squad.
Using 2016 as a benchmark, Barraclough is roughly 40 strikeouts more than actual innings pitched. Using the formula of 40 strikeouts times 9 innings, I have now created a surplus of 360 innings (i.e. 2 starters). In other words, it would take 360 innings of starting pitching (i.e. Lackey & Moore) and add 1.0 to their K/9.
8.19 - Brad Hand, RP, SD
Some of you are probably like - Brad Hand?!?! WTF?
He was un-drafted in a ton of leagues, but I didn't want to risk it here. In the 2nd half of 2016, it "clicked" for Brad Hand. The K/9 rose to 11.5 accompanied by an ERA of 2.70 and a 0.93 WHIP. Why? He began to throw his slider for more consistency:
The Closest Thing to Andrew Miller's Slider
He was even better in Sept/Oct (albeit small sample size of 18 IP, the K/9 rose to 13). So far, his spring velocity is up 1.0mph versus 2016's...I can only hope that his spin rate is accompanied by it. If so, I will have possibly secured Andrew Miller Lite in the 8th round.
On the road to 1400, I am now up to 1090 IP (50 Reed, 70 Barraclough, 70 Hand)
9.05 - Charlie Morton, SP, HOU
Morton wasn't even on my radar coming into the draft. Articles were coming in a couple days before I picked, but I didn't want to tip my hand in RIBC. Seemingly out of nowhere, Morton's velocity has increased by 5mph. More velocity = good for fantasy:
Morton's fastball topped out at 97 mph during Saturday's game against the Nationals, Philip Fishman of the Houston Chronicle reports. The right-hander got up to 63 pitches (42 strikes) in his fourth spring start, allowing two unearned runs on three hits and one walk while striking out seven over four innings.
Morton is unfazed by the velocity increase of his fastball, which in previous years sat in the 92 mph range. "It's nice to throw hard, but at the end of the day, it's all about getting outs," he said. And getting outs is what's he's been doing this spring. He's allowed seven hits and four walks over 13 innings and sports a 1.38 ERA with 13 strikeouts. Morton has solidified his hold on the No. 4 spot in the rotation. And if he continues to maintain increased velocity with movement, we could see an uptick in whiffs for a pitcher who's averaged 6.3 K/9 for his career.
Conservatively, I will give him the Rich Hill treatment and 130 IP...leaving me with 1220 IP on the road to 1400.
9.19 - Tyler Saladino, 2B/SS, CHW
Heh, this pick got actually got me a couple compliments. There is no strategy behind Saladino other than he has a guaranteed job with Brett Lawrie gone. Until Solarte gains 2B eligibility, I needed someone to keep the seat warm. Poor Saladino, keeping the seat warm for me as well as the Sox (Moncada). Just hoping he has a hot start and doesn't hurt me too much!
10.19 - Josh Reddick, OF, HOU
Using my RIBC analysis for the pick: My lineup is officially complete. Reddick rounds out my offense as my 4th outfielder...If he can stay healthy, I am looking at a 20 HR bat who gets on base at a clip of .350-360ish...and will be hitting in Houston versus cavernous Oakland. His SLG% is pretty consistent at .450% (in Oakland) and if he can hit those two #'s, he will help my cause in OB% while not hurting it in SLG%. For my last hitter, that is about all I can ask for.
11.19 - Tyler Flowers, C, ATL
Had to choose a catcher at some point, eh? Flowers isn't that great, but I needed a catcher who won't murder my on base. I flirted with playing "stream a catcher" and just punting the position in the draft...but I needed to establish some type of floor. I'm sure he won't be on my team when the season ends.
12.11 - Alen Hanson, 2B, PIT
Kang can't enter the US. Hasnon is out of options. The one time G20 prospect and two time top 100 prospect was more of a throwaway pick than anything else. The hope is that he starts at 2nd and they move Harrison back to 3rd since Freese stinks. This spring, he's shown improved plate discipline (4K in 40 AB) and, should he have a job, is a safe bet for 30+ SB. If not...first cut!
12.19 - Derek Law, RP, SF
I'm going to ignore the ERA / WHIP in Spring Training. Heard somewhere he was a sleeper, so with Carl Edwards, Jr. gone, figured why not?
POST DRAFT THOUGHTS / SELF-ASSESSMENT
Man...I'm really mad at myself for taking Addison Reed in the 4th. The 15 game suspension to Familia is worth what? 5 saves?
Pretty expensive pick considering I could've had E-Rod or Matt Bush (one of my priority targets). If I am to compete with the two juggernauts, BH & Species, I really need my hitting to take off:
-Hosmer needs to get on base like he did in the 1st half. If he didn't hit so many ground balls, he would rival Manny Machado in hitting as his hard contact % is among the best, if not the best in the MLB.
-Solarte needs to do what was posted above.
-Arenado needs to be himself.
-Rendon, I anticipate, will be a top 25 hitter this season hitting in the 5-hole in a loaded Nationals lineup.
-Correa needs to continue on his superstar trajectory
-Polanco needs to be 2016 1st half Polanco (.372 on base)...but all season. He already hurt his shoulder. Womp womp.
-Buxton needs to be not terrible in the OB% department. I'm a little worried that he might flirt with .300 instead of the .330 range. I still think he is going to be great, I just hope it starts as early as 2017.
-One of Heyward or Reddick need to step up as my 3rd OF.
As for pitching:
I have accumulated approximately 950+ IP out of this base:
Strasburg
Manaea
Lackey
Moore
Gsellman
Morton
Based on what I'm reading...it is 17+ points across the board for the starter categories. My RP has always been a strength with respect to the ratios, so if my quintuplet of Davis / Barraclough / Hand / Treinen deliver as expected, that 17 base could go even higher. Crossing my fingers that I can stay in striking distance of the high teens in saves.
It is against my style to trade future assets early in the season for a closer. I don't see it as a worthwhile investment, especially since it is a fluid position league-wide. I like the fact that he throws gas (98+) and has been improving since 2015. That said, the Nats pen has been a mess and, with the emergence of Koda Glover, Treinen could be on a short leash, If he stinks, I will have pissed away a 3rd rounder and, possibly, my shot at a championship.
DRAFT NOTES
Here is the list I keep in my phone, accompanied by small notes on players of interest:
HITTING TARGETS
UT
-Yangervis Solarte
-Tommy Joseph
-Pedro Alvarez
-Kennys Vargas
2B
-Joe Panik: Increased BB/K by more than 0.30 after the All-Star Break. Two have sneaky breakout potential: Joe Panik, Tommy Joseph.
***Had Solarte not been named the starter, I would've taken Panik much much earlier
-Kolten Wong
SS
-Ketel Marte
PITCHING TARGETS
STARTERS
John Lackey - 180 IP - Solid Ratios
Dylan Bundy - Throwing the cutter again. Was great until fatigue caught up to him.
Robbie Ray - Elite 12.0 K/9 backed by 13% SwK%. GB% jumped by 10%
Daniel Norris - sneaky good September supported by a 3.04 2nd half ERA and nearly a strikeout / inning
Eduardo Rodriguez - excellent 2nd half...much like Norris.
Drew Smyly - on 6 days or more rest, elite.
Robert Gsellman
Pom Pom
Matt Andriese
Francisco Liriano
Folty
Matt Boyd
Patrick Corbin
Andrew Triggs
Chad Bettis
Kyle Gibson
RELIEVERS
Kyle Barraclough
Brad Hand
Matt Bush - Stuff backed by skills, attacks the strike zone, handcuffs both lefties and righties. Thriving in high-leverage setup role with TEX: 18/3 K/BB in 17 IP. Three strikeout pitches, including 96-mph FB with movement.
Raisel Iglesias - was a priorty RIBC SP target in 2016. Think move to pen allows him to become the next elite RP.
Sean Doolittle - Increased K/9. Fastball appears back
Joe Kelly - 100mph fastball. Was elite for BOS in the pen
Derek Law
Mychal Givens - sick ratios. don't count on saves
Brad Brach - see above
Arodys Vizcaino
Bruce Rondon
Michael Feliz
Carl Edwards Jr - MLB's highest spin rate on fastballs in '16.
Chris Devenski - Filthy in '16 2H (59/6 K/BB in 53 IP) as multi-inning RP
**TJ** Rubby De La Rosa - ARI bullpen a mess, great raw stuff with GB tilt, 8.0 K/BB vs. RH.
**TJ** Trevor May - MIN pen is also a mess. Hidden by his ugly ERA is a good baseline of K/BB and solid GB%
FINAL THOUGHTS
It is going to be a season-long fight for 1st place. Taking down the obvious favorites in BH and Species fixes to be a very tall order. I recognize that the odds of them winning is very high, but they both can be beat:
Species
-No flaws with his hitting. Just have to hope he falters enough with his pitching. You could point to Sano as his weak link (a good problem to have)...but that's about it.
-His pitching is great. deGrom's fastball is back...hitting 98mph, Cueto will be awesome in SF, and Tanaka projects to be just as good as last year.
-Roark 2016 xFIP could point to regression this season (opportunity for the rest of us)
-Shoemaker was awesome last year, throwing like a top 20 SP before he got hit in the head. If he stays on course, that makes 4 awesome SP and 800 IP for him.
-Zimmerman is the wildcard...if he rebounds to 2015 levels, Species will have created roughly 1200IP plus his closers.
-Could lose points with Dyson and Robertson getting supplanted / traded...I anticipate he will act swiftly and make a trade to rectify that.
In short, Species will be on autopilot most of the season. The floor is so high that I'm left nit-picking with my potential criticism.
BH
-Votto / Altuve / Miggy / Donaldson - BEASTS.
-No speed. Unless Schwarber gets C eligibility, he will be stuck having to play the WW for it...or play matchups with Schwarber / Kemp / Joey Bats and insert a speedster in place every game.
-His OB% is going to be 20...and second won't be close. He can afford to take risks on low OB% speedsters (I.E. Hernan Perez's of the world).
-BH is a little vulnerable in ERA / WHIP. I think Lester, while he will still be awesome, will see some regression with the loss of David Ross (ERA above 3.00).
-Archer and Verlander are going to strike out potentially 500 combined...just have to hope they have a couple brain fart games to hurt the ERA some.
-Paxton is the top breakout pick by just about every publication. With the amount of offseason ink he's got, you'd think he'd be confused with Clayton Kershaw. That said, what if he doesn't break out as everyone anticipates and is the season-long streamer like he was in 2016?
-What if 2016 Gerrit Cole is the norm?
-His bullpen is great...and nobody gets to the WW like BH does...a big reason I traded for Treinen. Not to mention he has his former prospect and elite RP in Nate Jones.
BH will need to create alpha with speed via the WW or a major trade. Again, like with Species, i'm nit-picking as the margin for the rest of us is razor-thin. We can only hope their pitching hits a roadbump...if it does, they will be vulnerable for takeover.
That will allow teams like Tosh, Guru, WG, Fosten, and/or myself to capitalize on it.
On another note, I am happy to see what Thumqer has done with Jaydog's old squad. He has positioned himself nicely for the future with a ton of ultra high upside picks while obtaining a boatload of prospect depth:
2018 Outlook:
C - Zunino (sure he's been hot in the spring...but if he can carry that momentum in the regular season...how is he not a keeper?)
1B - Bird (The chic pick for breakout 1B)
2B - Mondesi (Ton of speed and plays on a team that likes to run).
*Not criticizing you Bean, but could you shed some light to why you didn't 10th keep him?
3B - Castellanos (Perfect fit in the draft)
SS - Crawford (potential 10th Keep)
OF - Kepler (I'm a fan...think he will be a keep for a long time in G20...also has Naquin or Kiermaier...or Eaton again if he doesn't trade)
SP - Quintana (The most consistent SP in the game)
SP - Richards (Perfect landing spot...he's gonna have some rough games, as most pitchers coming back from TJ do...but in 2018...Richards could be a Top 25 arm)
SP - Walker (See my RIBC AAA writeup...another chic breakout pick like Bird)
SP - Wheeler (Boatload of Talent....can he capitalize on it and gain some command?)
SP - De Leon (not a fan of him as a G20 keeper, but he is another nice chip for a rebuilding squad)
At least 11-12 potential keepers...safe bet he finds 9 from that group or via trade. He might even have a seat at the big boys table in 2018!!!
Prospects:
OF Williams (10th Keep)
OF - Meadows (10th Keep)
OF - Tucker
2B / SS - Rodgers
SP - Groome (most upside SP in the minors)
He might have to 10th keep someone who won't be up (Rodgers / Tucker) if he wants a selection in the upcoming draft (like Nerf)...but it's a good problem to have.
This is, by far, my favorite league to participate in due to the level of competition and commitment from all owners. I thoroughly enjoy the non-stop banter that continues long into the off-season. With teams like Great One (especially with Moncada and Devers on the horizon), Khahan, Tree, etc., ready to compete as soon as 2018, I know my window will be open for a short while...so I gotta take my shot!
Come 2019, teams like Meatwads, MJD, Thumqer, bmd, Nerf, Khahan, etc. (ok i'm just throwing props to the rest of the league) will all be built and ready to go... ;)
This league is a marathon, not a sprint...and it will be a dogfight until the end. Best of luck to all!
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| 448 | Bean
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Sun, Apr 02, 2017, 01:09
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<447>2B - Mondesi (Ton of speed and plays on a team that likes to run).
*Not criticizing you Bean, but could you shed some light to why you didn't 10th keep him?
I generally give prospects a short leash. Mondesi's performance in 2016 in MLB, in a word, "Sucked". Honestly, I was surprised when KC announced he would be their starting 2B. Given that he went undrafted, it means that 20/20 managers felt he didnt deserve a spot on their rosters. So there you have it.
Bottom line, "you cant steal first".
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| 449 | Bean
ID: 27592412
Sun, Apr 02, 2017, 01:22
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As an aside, I could have left Mondesi on my Prospect Roster as well, but I thought another dice roll might give me better. Basically it was my 2nd prospect pick that I lost rights to Mondesi for. You mentioned my 2nd pick in your analysis:
Brent Honeywell (2.07 - Bean) - BP top 25 prospect. Excellent Command. Boring, but will be a solid pro.
Hope you're right.
Just wanted to say, I enjoyed your analysis, was a good read. I dont think I have the stamina to put that kind of analysis together myself. Thanks
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| 450 | Bean
ID: 27592412
Sun, Apr 02, 2017, 01:34
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<448> I guess i am mistaken Thumper apparently wanted Mondesi enought to take him in the 7th round. Hell I would have given him for less than that (obviously).
Was mistakenly looking at my Yahoo leagues where he went undrafted in all 6.
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