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0 Subject: Dirty Dozen 2018 Discussion Thread

Posted by: Khahan
- [2911322610] Tue, Feb 20, 2018, 15:16

The Dirty Dozen League Constitution
Entry Fee = $30 (Due by Opening Day) Fee paid to Great One, I believe he prefers paypal.
7 keepers
Keeper Deadline yet to be determined (GO and I need to talk) Draft start will be shortly after deadline.
Any trade or keeper change after that will not be accepted.
Next Day Transactions - Daily/Tomorrow
Waivers - Continual Rolling List

Payouts = $360
1st Place $245
2nd Place $ 75
3rd Place $ 30
Draftime $ 10*

Trade Review
Commish review, will push through in about 24 hours unless anyone raises any questions. Generally the next morning unless a trade was accepted the evening before.

Categories & Positions
Roster Positions: C, 1B, 2B, 3B, SS, OF, OF, OF, Util, Util (new)
SP, SP, SP, RP, RP, P, P, P, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, DL, DL, DL
Batters Stat Categories: Runs (R), Home Runs (HR), Runs Batted In (RBI), Stolen Bases (SB), Batting Average (AVG)
Pitchers Stat Categories: Wins (W), Saves (SV), Strikeouts (K), Earned Run Average (ERA), (Walks + Hits)/ Innings Pitched (WHIP)

Trade Deadline
Last available date offered by Yahoo (usually about a month before season ends)



* - draftime is typically paid by the last place team and not part of the prize pot.
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204loki
      ID: 453362410
      Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 11:28
****TRADE****

Hoboken sends Joc Pederson and 2019 Round 5
GO sends Jake Arrieta and 2019 Round 10
205dpr
      ID: 302321312
      Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 12:40
Trade

DPR Trades
Carrasco
Morton
Rd10

Tree Trades
Snell
Rd2
206dpr
      ID: 302321312
      Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 14:38
I made this pitch last year and it made some traction; just not enough.

We should reduce the innings cap. SPs just don't go 200 innings anymore as teams try to limit pitchers working through the lineup a 3rd time and rely more on their bullpens. This requires us to go even deeper into rotations to be able to hit the limit. If you look at the teams now, only 2 teams are on pace to exceed the minimum and the median team is on pace to be over 50 innings behind. And while I like seeing the trade activity we have already seen 4 of the 5 contending teams need to make trades to acquire SPs. This shows where the clear scarcity lies.

As such I would like to repropose reducing the innings cap by 50 innings for next season (with potentially future discussion to bring it down 100).
207Khahan
      ID: 367431722
      Tue, Aug 14, 2018, 21:53
206 - I'm not against this change, but we are a week shy of a year since the initial vote was called for. We have the same managers as last year. And even though the voting was for no change, 1350, 1300 1250 etc breaking down the choices - no change still had a majority of votes. I'd rather wait until the 2019 discussion to bring this up again.

Maybe if we had a majority wanting a change, but just hadn't agreed on what change to make it would be worth it.
208dpr
      ID: 302321312
      Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 09:07
Last year it was called with 5 people voting no change, and 5 voting for a change with 2 votes not in so a majority was still possible. I also think with another year of data continuing to support the change in dynamics in how teams are utilizing the starting pitchers some may reconsider. If not that is fine but I thought it was at least worth discussing to see where people stood.

I also don't think waiting til the offseason if we are considering a change is a good idea. Everyone is active now, not in the offseason. When we were trying to reach a resolution on Ohtani last year we could only get a few people involved and that is with me having to push along the conversation more than I was comfortable with given my desire to use an early pick on him.
209Khahan
      ID: 467501510
      Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 11:50
Well lets do this. Rather than voting for no change or 3 or 4 different changes lets vote:

A) lower the IP limit

B) leave it as is

If enough vote to change, then we'll discuss where to set it and if we can't agree then we'll leave it as is.
I do think the data supports that we are probably a bit high on the IP limit. Again, last year and multiple years before any manager exceeding the limit either did it in the final few days or brought themselves up to the last day and loaded up with as many pitchers as they can. In other words, the IP limit wasn't having an affect. It wasn't stopping any manager from running out any pitcher they wanted whenever they wanted. As for the last day shenanigans, that will happen no matter what.
210dpr
      ID: 302321312
      Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 12:00
I don't think just looking at year end totals tells you much. Anyone looking to contend knows you need to at least end up in the ballpark or you are leaving points on the table due to the high correlation with Ws and IPs. The question is what is needed to be done to get there. Do to SPs generating less IPs than they did years ago, you now need to stream more (or carry a greater number of pitchers) to reach the limit.
211dpr
      ID: 302321312
      Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 12:00
The above was supposed to read Ws and Ks...
212holt
      ID: 305252219
      Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 16:57
I'd be for limiting IP (1350 makes sense). I've been carrying lot of pitchers on my roster all season and I'm still projected at -65 IP. Even with more pitchers than hitters on my roster I can't hit that IP limit without a fair amount of extra streaming.
214Bean
      ID: 304422310
      Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 12:24
For this league, the number of IPs isn't a big issue to me. I will follow whaetver the consensus is as long as any change is no more than 100 IPs each season. If you want to go more, gradually get there or it's effect may have unintended consequences.
215holt
      ID: 52612918
      Thu, Aug 16, 2018, 15:27
OK I thought I had upgraded my pitching staff but now Paxton and Stripling are both absent so I need to try to make a deal for another SP. Anyone interested?
216 ttucowboy
      ID: 51737190
      Fri, Aug 24, 2018, 21:48
Hey everyone,

I just wanted to let y'all know that this will be my last year in DD. I've given it a considerable amount of thought the past few weeks and have come to the conclusion G20 takes up the majority of available time I have to commit to fantasy baseball. I feel like my DD team has suffered as a result. As you all know, fantasy baseball is very demanding (arguably the most demanding fantasy sport out there) and I feel like I can effectively manage only one keeper team. I don't feel like I'm leaving the team in shambles so hopefully someone, with more time to commit, can take the team to it's full potential in the future.

Thank you all for letting me join DD a few years back. It's been an enjoyable experience. I'll see some of y'all in g20.

Best of luck,

Pete
217Astade
      ID: 44292220
      Fri, Aug 24, 2018, 22:12
Pete, it’s been a pleasure having you in the league. Wish you continued luck in G20!
218GO
      ID: 565491620
      Fri, Aug 24, 2018, 22:40
Thanks Pete!
219Khahan
      ID: 367431722
      Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 10:22
Pete, sorry to see you go. Always welcome back in the future.
220loki
      ID: 453362410
      Sat, Aug 25, 2018, 21:01
It has been fun playing with you, and I am sure I will see you around in other leagues. I understand your time constraints and have the same that limit the number of league I play in.
221 Jon
      ID: 22840320
      Mon, Sep 03, 2018, 21:43
Hello everyone, new guy here. Not sure what team I will be taking over but rest assured trading will be forthcoming. Looking forward to it.
222Khahan
      ID: 467501510
      Tue, Sep 04, 2018, 10:18
Hey Jon
Welcome in. We're working on getting the transition for you.
223Khahan
      ID: 467501510
      Tue, Sep 04, 2018, 11:56
The transfer is complete and Jon is now taking over TTCU's team completely.

Pete - Thank you for being a great manager for all these years. Going to miss you here. If you ever decide you want to return, you are more than welcome to come back.


Jon - welcome to rotoguru.com and welcome to the Dirty Dozen!
224ttucowboy
      ID: 35226100
      Tue, Sep 04, 2018, 16:49
Thanks to all for the kind words! Definitely enjoyed playing in DD.

Good luck Jon!
225GO
      ID: 565491620
      Tue, Sep 04, 2018, 16:52
Welcome Jon - Khahan did you use Transfer team to switch? or Pete want to make Co-Manager for now?
226Khahan
      ID: 51116166
      Tue, Sep 04, 2018, 18:41
I used transfer team. It sent an email that Jon immediately responded too and he’s in now. Was very easy
227dpr
      ID: 302321312
      Wed, Sep 05, 2018, 08:29
Jon welcome to the league and Pete sorry to see you go.

Any background on the new manager and how we found him?
228Jon
      ID: 22840320
      Wed, Sep 05, 2018, 12:31
I was found at a Fantasy Baseball Anonymous group. Background?
50 years old
Lives in Tampa, Florida
"Flips" houses for a living
Been playing since the days of checking the newspaper
Avid Trader; no that's a lie. I'm a trading Junkie
You can reach me via email easiest
jonfgaskins@gmail.com
229ttucowboy
      ID: 545112110
      Wed, Sep 05, 2018, 12:34
Hey Jon, only request I have is don't finish last. Otherwise, I have to fork up $10 to pay for the draft next year. Lol
230Jon
      ID: 22840320
      Wed, Sep 05, 2018, 12:58
You got it sir. I'll be setting my roster and making a couple of add/drops but will do my best.
231Khahan
      ID: 467501510
      Wed, Sep 05, 2018, 14:46
Just a reminder since trading was brought up - trade deadline has obviously passed us by. But once that last game ends, off season trading is up and running. Any off season trades need to be recorded and announced here.

And once, we hit the off season I'll be looking to move Max Scherzer, Lorenzo Cain and one of Albies, Baez, Turner or Machado. These are some pretty steep price tags that will need to include draft picks coming back. But I'm looking to re-vamp my pitching keepers a bit so I'm gladly willing to do 2:1 and 3:1 where you load up your keeper list for a younger, elite pitching keeper and draft pick compensation.
232Jon
      ID: 22840320
      Wed, Sep 05, 2018, 15:05
As soon as the season ends hit me up. 100% sure I'll be jonesing until then.
233Khahan
      ID: 51116166
      Wed, Sep 05, 2018, 19:35
I used transfer team. It sent an email that Jon immediately responded too and he’s in now. Was very easy
234dpr
      ID: 26244820
      Sun, Sep 09, 2018, 13:41
Trying to rebuild my pitching this year and I had 2 young future top line SPs go down with UCL injuries. It is crazy what Ohtani has been doing with his bat. Legit top 5 numbers if extrapolated to full time ABs.
235Khahan
      ID: 367431722
      Mon, Sep 10, 2018, 22:41
Hey Kluber - 4 K's thru 1.2 IP is pretty impressive. So is that 3.60 whip and 21.60 era. Just not in a good way.
Way to go Corey. I'm feeling ANOTHER september fade coming over my team.
236Khahan
      ID: 367431722
      Wed, Sep 19, 2018, 21:58
That's it. Frickin fire sale the day the off season starts. 2 years in a row my whole f'n team takes a steaming dump in September. Seriously team 1-19 as of right now? How much are Da Bomb and Holt paying you guys?
237loki
      ID: 453362410
      Thu, Sep 20, 2018, 20:42
I should finish in 5th place which is much better than I had anticipated at the beginning of the season. My draft and keeper list were targeted for 2019 and beyond. Had I paid attention to SBs in the draft and to catcher ABs during the season, I would have most likely finished in the top 3.
My keeper list sets up nicely for 2019 with new keepers Ronald Acuna, Vlad, Jr. (should get almost a full season from him), and Walker Buehler (should pitch between 180 and 200 innings). Paul Goldsmith and Anthony Rizzo, especially Rizzo, had somewhat off seasons due to slow starts, but will bounce back in 2019. Chris Sale will anchor my pitching stall along with Buehler.
The conundrum will be keeping Kenley Jensen or Michael Conforto. I am not concerned about Jensen's arrhythmia. It is commonplace for this type of problem to come back. He will have another ablation in the off season and be fine. I had Conforto as a keeper, traded him for someone (possibly Jensen), and got him back off of waivers this year when his owner got tired of waiting for him to recover from off season surgery. He now seems to be playing at the level that the Mets had predicted.
Most likely I will keep Conforto, and Jensen will be available for a 1st round draft pick.
Nelson Cruz's 36+ HRs, Mike Moustakas' 26+ HRs, and Mallex Smith's 33+ SB's (picked him up too late to make much of a difference) will be hard to part with, but will be available for draft picks.
My big frustration is in RIBC AAA where I had been in the top 3 ( necessary for promotion to RIBC) for the entire season until this week when I dropped to 4th place. Chris Sale being out for 2 months and my hitters tanking did me in. I still have a chance, but it does not look promising.
Good luck to all down the stretch .
It has been a lot of fun this season.
238Jon
      ID: 22840320
      Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 08:58
Don't forget the new guy. I need to rebuild so I will be buying and selling the day after the season ends. Just shoot me an email of who you like.
239dpr
      ID: 302321312
      Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 09:15
It has been an frustrating season for me where it seemed all my hitters came out the gate ice cold (and a couple of my keepers never really turned it around). My hitting caught fire post ASB where I have 5 of the 10 hitters in the last month and likely that would hold true if we went back to ASB as well. Yelich and Ohtani(H) performed at levels I wouldn't have thought possible and Bregman took is game to the next level as well giving me excitement for the future. Unfortunately when my pitchers got injured around midseason (top 3 all on DL) I never adjusted to better manage my innings so I likely left ~10 points on the table this season which would have kept be off the podium but not at as large of a step back as it appeared all year.

I am going to have some tough decision this offseason where I feel I have four stud keepers (likely 20 quality) and then am going to have to balance steady performers with upside for the future to round out the list.

Studs:
Bregman
Yelich
Snell
Correa - man what happened..still accomplished so much in earlier seasons and 24. He is the best talent on the left side of HOUs infield.

Safe top 50 keepers
Rendon - Great baseball player whose skills don't all translate to fantasy to get him into the upper tier but he gets it done when healthy.
Diaz - Stud. Do I want to keep a closer? Definitely going quick in the draft it let go.
Merrifield - One of only ~20 players to rank in the top 50 last 2 years. Imagine if he wasn't in the KC wasteland?
Ozuna - The midpoint of the last 2 years is still quite a strong keeper. I think he settles around there with the upside to do what he did two years ago with the reason for this season being his shoulder needing the offseason


Upside Talent:
Bellinger - Where did the power go? Can he adjust back and work on the holes in his swing? 22 and we know what he did last year so tons of potential.
Ohtani - Hitter? Pitcher? Either would project as a top 40-50 player with full time stats but what is he going to turn into? How does the MCL and yahoos treatment of him as 2 players impact things?
Jimenez - Clearly ready for the bigs but subject to the CBA service time manipulation. Will be up early next year and strong chance to turn into a top tier keeper for years to come.
Kopech - For the rebuilding team this was a top pitching prospect in baseball when he was called up. Showed he had figured it out the second half of the year and offers top tier talent (in 2020...)
Darvish - I have no intention of doing it but maybe someone looking for a keeper wants to make a cheap gamble?


Anyone looking to add a player to their keeper list be sure to reach out. I would likely be willing to move any of the guys below the stud tier in the right deal (and really do need to figure out a way to move 2-3). A good trade can help make the decision of who to keep easier for me. The top guys are available of similar tiered players but the default expectation is that I will be holding them.
240Khahan
      ID: 467501510
      Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 09:54
I'll be looking to move some players for 2019 draft picks. There is no way I can keep all the established, keeper-quality guys I have:

In no particular order, guys who are snap keepers in just about any league and just about team:

Aaron Judge
Manny Machado
Trea Turner
Andrew Benintendi
Javier Baez
Ozzie Albies
Max Scherzer
Corey Kluber
then add in players like
Lorenzo Cain
Stephen Piscotty
Mike Foltynewnichsch (can we update the
Stephen Strasburg

I can only keep 7 and would love to get some value back. I'll look at deals that do 2 things for me - get me younger pitching or get me 2019 draft picks.
241dpr
      ID: 302321312
      Fri, Sep 21, 2018, 10:31
I think trading is moving earlier and earlier every year. Becoming a year round season.
242Khahan
      ID: 367431722
      Sun, Sep 23, 2018, 18:26
ugh, are we to the point of the season that we start picking up SP so other managers can't start them?
243loki
      ID: 453362410
      Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 14:36
I wish someone had picked up Kingham so that I would not have been able to start him.
:-)
244Khahan
      ID: 367431722
      Mon, Sep 24, 2018, 23:16
had a misclick adding hand back to my roster and dropped the wrong guy. Immediately changed it from pannone to dominguez. Just posting here to be clear on what happened. (for john, the new guy, if you have an honest misclick during an add/drop you can contact myself or great one to switch it. we're usually pretty understanding and can easily correct them).
245Khahan
      ID: 367431722
      Sun, Sep 30, 2018, 22:52
Congratz to Da Bomb for a pretty dominant season. I tried my best up until the Allstar break, but I'm convinved Da Bomb was paying off my players.

Seems like after the Allstar break I couldn't string together more than 2 nights of solid to good stats. I was hanging in there, but slowly losing ground. My team batting average dropped from about .274 at the AS break to .267 today. My HR went from 10-11 points down to 5.5.

Then my team took off for about 1 week again and closed the gap. Then disaster hit. In a 2 week period I saw my whip go from 1.12 to 1.17, my ERA from 3.25 to 3.49 and my 12 points in W's drop to 9. That was all in the first 2 weeks of September. That did me in. A sharp drop off in BA, HR and a big spike in Whip/ERA.

Congratz Da Bomb on another title. Definitely earned it this year.
246holt
      ID: 19729262
      Mon, Oct 01, 2018, 00:45
Congrats DaBomb. Well played. We'll try again next year. Congrats to Khahan as well for the second place finish.

This pretty much sums up my season. My innings pitched leaders:
Kershaw 158.1
A.Wood 148
R.Hill 108.2
T.Skaggs 72.2

It took a lot of scroungy streaming to get to 1400 IP with many a blow-up along the way. Every time I started to make headway in the ERA/WHIP depts there'd be some explosions to knock me back. If I took the time to add up the stats of my one and two start streamers I'm almost positive that their ERA would be closer to 9 than to 3. Ah well. Back to the drawing board next year.

247Tree
      ID: 77532019
      Mon, Oct 01, 2018, 08:33
congrats on the win.

i made some deals - including giving up Blake Snell - that i thought would give me a shot - but alas, i never really got close.

that being said, looks like i'll have a pretty sick set of 5 starting (alas, aging) SPs for my keepers.
248loki
      ID: 453362410
      Mon, Oct 01, 2018, 11:46
Congrats on the win.
Tied for 4th again, and looking forward to 2019.
249Jon
      ID: 37936111
      Mon, Oct 01, 2018, 12:36
Let the trading begin?
250Jon
      ID: 37936111
      Mon, Oct 01, 2018, 12:53
It's 420 will be keeping (unless you can pry them away)
Freeman
Bryant
Gallo
Clevinger

Others can be had/traded. Since I am just now taking over this team I will be unaware of how important draft picks will be, but also can and will trade those as well. Just shoot me an email with who you like and we can go from there.
jonfgaskins@gmail.com
251Da Bomb
      Donor
      ID: 487112814
      Mon, Oct 01, 2018, 13:38
Thank you all. This win puts me alone with 5 championships which I wear with pride considering the competition. Nice season again to Khahan who brought it to within a couple points last week before I was able to put some more distance into the league again, and to holt who has podiumed in all but 2 seasons.

A few of my keepers took a step back (Votto, Donaldson, Gary Sanchez, Dee Gordon) but draftees/ FA pickups including Gleyber Torres, Andujar, Haniger, Wheeler, Eugenio Suarez, Treinen) went a long ways to make up that difference. And with Severino, deGrom and Blackmon, I will have some tougher keeper decisions so if you see anything, reach out!
252Khahan
      ID: 80441414
      Mon, Jan 14, 2019, 15:44
Really interested in making some moves.
keeper list is probably going to be:
turner, machado, benintendi, judge, baez, scherzer, kluber

This means guys like Ozzie Albies, Stephen Strasburg, Lorenzo Cain are available for draft picks. Also willing to package one of my keeper list guys with any number of Albies/Strasburg/Cain for an upgrade and slots.

253GO
      ID: 14143919
      Sun, Jan 20, 2019, 19:31
I may be selling Bryce finally. Inquire within after he picks his team...
254loki
      ID: 3707219
      Mon, Jan 21, 2019, 10:08
I had asked you about Harper for years, but no longer interested.
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